Feedback to the Champion System

Baphomet

From a PvP perspective, there is one big screw-up. There isn't any efficient tree for mitigating physical damage while there are multiple trees for mitigating magical attacks. Over time, this will make players more and more resistant to magical attack while physical damage will reign even more supreme than it does now.

This will just add more OP'ness to the already OP stamina builds.

On a side note, thaumaturge really needs to go into the apprentice sign.

Garwulf

BigInGlenumbra wrote: »

WillhelmBlack wrote: »

At release of the Champion System I thought ooh I can tailor my builds and make them a bit interesting like Skyrim, nice. Then I realised everybody is putting the same points into the same things depending on whether they're stamina or magicka (can't have both!). Few weeks after, thought to myself "bit of a grind this". Now we have XP boosters it all makes sense. It was designed to make money, cheaply and easily. Far cheaper than developing DLC.

If you decide to keep this Champion System, please could you remove it from PvP? I don't get chance to grind I only like the fun parts of the game which are Dungeons and PvP.

Overall, I hate it. Not essential to have fun. Please put some great passives into exciting new skill lines via DLC, which I would happily buy 10 times over if I could.

Thanks for reading.

Agreed, grinding is just dumb and boring. Vast majority don't like it, so it shouldn't exist.

I do not like grinding Undaunted and Trials. They also need to be removed. Yes if they remove the things each of us dislike this game will be perfect.... but no content.

When this game first came out it was to me a much more enjoyable game with more options of game play than it has now. Better and more loot. Fun grinds in small or large groups, if that was your thing, and tougher bosses and mobs . Over time all this was nerfed .
Lets be honest games are not for fun. they are a job... well that is how it has ended up. certainly Cadwells silver and gold are a real chore. PVP is a poor horse riding sim ending at some point in your death Not even an achievment for miles/ Kilometers travelled .
Whne we cried out for content we got the champion system. Another pointless grind. When we asked for better crafing we got Writ grinds. Now we have another official "GRIND" called fishing from which you can get perfect roe which can be used for XP enhancement. Presumably all the unofficial grinds were slowly nerfed so that an official grind method could be added. And hence anothe rpotential money spinner. A crown store presumalby makes more money than people eager to play the game because of its exciting content.

A laugh-a-minute is ZoS.

F7sus4

Move Thaumaturge from The Ritual to The Apprentice. Swap Spell Erosion in that place.

(If you're not Magicka Nightblade or Magicka Templar, shut up.)

Morvul

Baphomet wrote: »

From a PvP perspective, there is one big screw-up. There isn't any efficient tree for mitigating physical damage while there are multiple trees for mitigating magical attacks. Over time, this will make players more and more resistant to magical attack while physical damage will reign even more supreme than it does now.

This will just add more OP'ness to the already OP stamina builds.

On a side note, thaumaturge really needs to go into the apprentice sign.

This can't be quoted enough.
CP system offers lots and lots of damage mitigation against spells, but almost nothing against weapon based damage.

And the placing of thaumaturge in the physical tree is just ... er...

Familyhavoc

The champion system as it stand is a terrible idea, i am a new player and i will never be able to catch up, which means i will never be able to fully enjoy this game, i will be past up or unable to compete all because i am new and do not have very many champion points, this is a not a balance, it is far from it, it completely unbalances the entire game.

Novustratum

Yeah I'll have to agree with the several above me. It's a terrible system and rewards those who:

A) Sit on their ass all day and play ESO because they don't have a job/go to school
Stay up all night long playing until the next morning because they are insomniacs and/or coked out and pounding red bulls.
C) Has a normal work/school schedule but spends EVERY free moment on ESO.

Basically, if you're a player that can only log 2-3 hours any given day, you have no chance to stay afloat, especially more so in pvp. Even worse was allowing PC transfers to console who had even more of a leg up on CP than those of us just starting. if they want to reward players for massive time sinks, give them sparkly new mounts, pets, or free crowns or something. At the very least put a much lower ceiling on CP so there's a decently attainable end in sight and one that makes you have to allocate your CP wisely.

Soarin'

CP system is OK, using a high grind capacity as an excuse for content is not. I do seriously wander at times if your design team have been promoted internally from positions such as human resources. There is literally little to no reasonable and logical design in having a 3600 cap to this system that improves gameplay.

I realise the gaming community is an obnoxious and ungrateful group to service, and I know this pain personally. There is however no excuse for having a lead design meeting with a dozen or more people sat around the table and no one poking holes in the flaws of this system.

CtrlAltDlt

Novustratum wrote: »

Yeah I'll have to agree with the several above me. It's a terrible system and rewards those who:

A) Sit on their ass all day and play ESO because they don't have a job/go to school
Stay up all night long playing until the next morning because they are insomniacs and/or coked out and pounding red bulls.
C) Has a normal work/school schedule but spends EVERY free moment on ESO.

Basically, if you're a player that can only log 2-3 hours any given day, you have no chance to stay afloat, especially more so in pvp. Even worse was allowing PC transfers to console who had even more of a leg up on CP than those of us just starting. if they want to reward players for massive time sinks, give them sparkly new mounts, pets, or free crowns or something. At the very least put a much lower ceiling on CP so there's a decently attainable end in sight and one that makes you have to allocate your CP wisely.

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Gunphu

Xbox player here (not a pc transfer) and I love the CP system!

A few changes I would suggest looking into. After 300 no more enlightenment. At 400 it takes 5% more exp per CP At 500 its takes 10% more and so on and so on. Then CAP CP at 2.5K so you cant have 100 CP in all tree nodes.

Gunphu

juan0316 wrote: »

Novustratum wrote: »

Yeah I'll have to agree with the several above me. It's a terrible system and rewards those who:

A) Sit on their ass all day and play ESO because they don't have a job/go to school
Stay up all night long playing until the next morning because they are insomniacs and/or coked out and pounding red bulls.
C) Has a normal work/school schedule but spends EVERY free moment on ESO.

Basically, if you're a player that can only log 2-3 hours any given day, you have no chance to stay afloat, especially more so in pvp. Even worse was allowing PC transfers to console who had even more of a leg up on CP than those of us just starting. if they want to reward players for massive time sinks, give them sparkly new mounts, pets, or free crowns or something. At the very least put a much lower ceiling on CP so there's a decently attainable end in sight and one that makes you have to allocate your CP wisely.

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So you are complaining that dedicating yourself to something generally reaps better results and or rewards?

I hate to break it to you but this is how most things in life work...

lloydard

Any chance you could add a season cap and catchup mechanic to real life? Would make my grind so much more balanced

Dober

Love the new catch up system for Champion Points.

Vivecc

The champion system as it stand is a terrible idea, i am a new player and i will never be able to catch up, which means i will never be able to fully enjoy this game, i will be past up or unable to compete all because i am new and do not have very many champion points, this is a not a balance, it is far from it, it completely unbalances the entire game

honestly ?
so you would like lets say play 2 months and have the same as one guy that played 2 years ? No way m8!
there must be some distinction between newbie and long time Player and thats the cp system. you can easy catch up on gear and stuff, but to get the same amount of cp , well that takes TIME. spend it or be happy with what u get in yor "normal" time allocated
i like the champ system and i would prefer to keep it

NightRibon23444

I still don't understand why ZoS has to mess with the vet Ranks. It's not broken so don't mess it up.

Farorin

Vivecc wrote: »

The champion system as it stand is a terrible idea, i am a new player and i will never be able to catch up, which means i will never be able to fully enjoy this game, i will be past up or unable to compete all because i am new and do not have very many champion points, this is a not a balance, it is far from it, it completely unbalances the entire game

honestly ?
so you would like lets say play 2 months and have the same as one guy that played 2 years ? No way m8!
there must be some distinction between newbie and long time Player and thats the cp system. you can easy catch up on gear and stuff, but to get the same amount of cp , well that takes TIME. spend it or be happy with what u get in yor "normal" time allocated
i like the champ system and i would prefer to keep it

Grinding shouldn't be what makes you a better player, your skill at playing the game should be what makes you a better player.

Things obtained from grinding at best give poor players an excuse to fall back on when they lose, and at worst actually disadvantage skillful players that aren't interested in spending long amounts of time or money for exp pots grinding away.

set44ub17_ESO1

Why did you guys not have it where you earn champion points from level 1-50 as well? you play the game hit vet 1 and go into the veteran campaigns with 0 champ points. seems kind of silly. even if you earned them very slowly dew to the lower level quests awarding less xp any way and gradually speeding up as you level do to the xp rewards increasing. i know you removing the vet ranks, witch will make more since then. you should consider doing this in the change maybe some how earning your first 30 points by level 50. 10 in each tree or something like that.

XANTITHESISX

An update on some of these post would be nice. I went through a few of these post only to realize that the OP was Jan 2015 not Jan 2016. Is this thread even relevant anymore?

Enodoc

XANTITHESISX wrote: »

An update on some of these post would be nice. I went through a few of these post only to realize that the OP was Jan 2015 not Jan 2016. Is this thread even relevant anymore?

I'm not sure about other necroed threads, but this one certainly isn't.

GRH

this thread gave me headaches.
few weeks ago i heard talks in the game that veteran system was to be changed,
came to forum and i saw a relevant thread by an admin explaining some possibilities, being new in the forum and in fact didnt even have an account (i never received a code after game purchase, and neither of my second and third accounts ""frustrating"" ) i didnt realize this was an old thread.

few weeks later i popped in again and saw further notifications again by an admin dated january and i did visit on january second, newly stepping in 2016 brain didnt register the 2015... hence got further convinced of the new developer plans. majority of the players in ESO are less than 1 year old players.. true? so we dont know what the heck happened in the past.

i know a lot of people talk about this in game, and i did talk to lots of ppl about this no one told me something like hey mate thats old stuff ! ,

both this thread and the initial relevant one "should have been moderated and closed" last year when both lost validity as the announced changes were never made and new vet ranks were added. or at least closed as soon as a moderator noticed the necroed thread.. did they even???

bubbahoootep

Not sure why everyone is a excited about this. 70 point cap to conversion if awful for someone with multiple vet characters. 5 points per vr means 70 points for 1 vr16. Any other vet character means was a waste to lvl. As someone with 4 v16s. Thank zos 4 making me save 15 bucks a month, eso plus cancelled now

Enodoc

@bubbahoootep This thread is outdated. The information here is relevant for when the Champion System was introduced in early 2015, and has no relation to what is going to happen when Veteran Ranks are removed later this year (2016).

FilteredRiddle

I'm a bit confused, and would appreciate some clarification @ZOS_GinaBruno or @ZOS_JessicaFolsom .

I currently have a single V16 character and otherwise insignificant non-Vet alts.
Through this single V16 character, I have 255 Champion Points.
This is 85/167 in every constellation.

With this new change, for this single character, I will receive a maximum of 70 Champion Points?
Is this 70 total (a difference of 185 from my current total)?
Is this 70 in each constellation (a difference of 15 from my current constellations)?

I would appreciate clarification. I'm really hoping I'm reading this wrong...

And derp-necro... January 2015, not 2016. [insert facepalm]

sirsnapper

Kind of lame you have a cap on champion points now due to bad players or under lvled players going up against veterans that the vets get screwed way to hit your seasoned players where it counts for that new blood. Oh and the whole stam nerf is kind of bunk as well, stam users need stam for everything rolling blocking sneaking and attacking but lets keep taking the regen and stam away ? ? ? ? really? If that’s the case magic users should use magic for blocking sneaking and rolling same concept, by the time we get any ware we can’t use any skills so bunk.

sirsnapper

Use all my stam to take a mages shield off as hes running around lolling like a troll teleporting then boom one shot with a bomb -.-.

WolfWarrior84

I am curious what about the attribute points we get for each level what will happen to those. will there be something in place to accommodate the change or what will happen there.

WolfWarrior84

is this 70 per section or 70 in total to use in all 3 sections. i am vr 3 with 40 cp in each section this seems to cheat all the people that put in time and effort to earn their points. should i not try to progress and wait for this change that way i have more content to run to earn points. because 70 points in total is not worth what i would have if was to reach vr 16 with the current system. i am far from end game but i think those that are there should not be restricted because they liked your game enough to max out there characters and the low characters like me that cry about getting wrecked by end game shut up it should be that way but in work to get better like the people taking you out did

Enodoc

@WolfWarrior84 This thread is outdated. The information here is relevant for when the Champion System was introduced in early 2015, and has no relation to what is going to happen when Veteran Ranks are removed later this year (2016).

rk110132

The game recently is not letting me log in or is running pretty laggy I dont understand why...keeps on saying error 200 ,201, 108 etc dont know now Iam feeling pissed off now that Im logged in facing major lag

WolfWarrior84

Enodoc wrote: »

@WolfWarrior84 This thread is outdated. The information here is relevant for when the Champion System was introduced in early 2015, and has no relation to what is going to happen when Veteran Ranks are removed later this year (2016).

lol dam now i just feel stupid thanks for letting me know. is there any information on the new system or are they keeping us in the dark for now?

Enodoc

WolfWarrior84 wrote: »

Enodoc wrote: »

@WolfWarrior84 This thread is outdated. The information here is relevant for when the Champion System was introduced in early 2015, and has no relation to what is going to happen when Veteran Ranks are removed later this year (2016).

lol dam now i just feel stupid thanks for letting me know. is there any information on the new system or are they keeping us in the dark for now?

The most we have had recently (which, to be fair, was quite a bit) can be found here http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/comment/2457704#Comment_2457704