Its not enjoyable at all anymore.

Columba

LAGGING OUT A FIGHT INSIDE CHALMAN (HAPPENED 5 MIN AGO) ISN'T A STRATEGY, LOL. It's an exploit.

NordJitsu

timidobserver wrote: »

Scales is going to be a lot less effective against dive bombing in 1.6, but it will still probably own in small scale stuff.

Not only that but they're lifting AoE caps and adding Zerg busting skills to the PvP lines.

I think preferred strategies will change a lot with 1.6.

Galalin

Columba wrote: »

LAGGING OUT A FIGHT INSIDE CHALMAN (HAPPENED 5 MIN AGO) ISN'T A STRATEGY, LOL. It's an exploit.

I will see your impulse batmonkey... and raise you a onebuttonsnipespamming lemur... All in your call

Columba

Snipe doesn't lag out the server. It's ok if you need to lagsploit to win, ep. It speaks volumes.

Galalin

Columba wrote: »

Snipe doesn't lag out the server. It's ok if you need to lagsploit to win, ep. It speaks volumes.

Was just kidding around thats why i dont play on thorn... i play on what was put in zone chat yesterday as a little league server... aka haderus. But my PvP experience there is quite enjoyable win or lose

kewl

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

Used to be somewhat even. But now its as if EP is literally steamrolling every campaign now.

While Red is off peeing in someone else's campfire, roll 'em. Took my guild (full raid) an hour to front door all emp keeps in Azura's Star.

Galalin

kewl wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

Used to be somewhat even. But now its as if EP is literally steamrolling every campaign now.

While Red is off peeing in someone else's campfire, roll 'em. Took my guild (full raid) an hour to front door all emp keeps in Azura's Star.

Omg this made me laugh.... peeing in someone elses campfire... yup gets an awesome from me sir

Columba

Galalin wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Snipe doesn't lag out the server. It's ok if you need to lagsploit to win, ep. It speaks volumes.

Was just kidding around thats why i dont play on thorn... i play on what was put in zone chat yesterday as a little league server... aka haderus. But my PvP experience there is quite enjoyable win or lose

Yeah, EP meaning the thorne crw of EP lagsploiters.

Yusuf

Get yourself a pvp-guild . Srsly, you're not a one-man-army so don't expect to take down a organized groups on comms.

The game has promised largescale battle (promised, as in, it lags at the very thing it promised) so of course you'll see large groups using aoe-abilities. What you need to do is get a group of 12 players with at least 2 sorcerers and 2 players who equip barrier as their ultimate.

Your sorcerers will of course equip negate magic and ONLY cast it to dispel enemy ultimates. if your faced with multiple batswarms use one barrier after the next to mitigate the damage. Throw your ultimates, if they get negated your sorcs should negate those negates!

Yusuf

Columba wrote: »

LAGGING OUT A FIGHT INSIDE CHALMAN (HAPPENED 5 MIN AGO) ISN'T A STRATEGY, LOL. It's an exploit.

Yes it is an exploit! The server is exploiting player's expectations of stability, you still remember the trailers before launch? largescale-battles? ringing any bells?

Columba

Using Aoe not the same as spamming impulse and healing springs over and over and over again outside a battle to lag out the server.

Roechacca

I don't know of any 25 man Raid Groups on the DC side you're competing with . Full raid groups died after camps went down and people left . The only 25 man groups I ever see is if some guilds let solo players fill in the gaps out of TS .

Sanct16

Well lag is one thing you can't do anything about.

But apart of that there is a counter to everything.
They are all vamps? How about slotting evil hunter?
They are all stacked up at some place? How about shooting them with sieges?
They all use reflect? Don't shoot projectiles at them.
They are all running into one direction? Move around them, don't stand in front of them.

Hopefully 1.6 will make them just blow up.

Cody

EP is not controlling haderus. The pathetic AD players that wait until EP logs off then proceeds to re-cap everything and camp the gates are the ones controlling haderus.

Roechacca

Cody wrote: »

EP is not controlling haderus. The pathetic AD players that wait until EP logs off then proceeds to re-cap everything and camp the gates are the ones controlling haderus.

Oh you mean like EP does on Thornblade ? Pathetic is a good word .

Laggus

On Thorne its litterally a handful if EP players that persistantly form the AoE spam groups. Its a far too effective form of play and it does result in lag whether intentional or not.

It discourages players from other factions playing PvP and discourages particularly any new players trying PvP. It does PvP no good at all for everyone. I've had really good balanced fights when these particular players are not on and everyone wins by getting lots of AP and not just getting facerolled. Hopefully 1.6 will provide tools for countering their playstyle better.

PvP needs to encourage all play styles not favour grouping up only In AoE spam groups.Small group play and solo play needs to be viable too.

Columba

Laggus wrote: »

On Thorne its litterally a handful if EP players that persistantly form the AoE spam groups. Its a far too effective form of play and it does result in lag whether intentional or not.

It discourages players from other factions playing PvP and discourages particularly any new players trying PvP. It does PvP no good at all for everyone. I've had really good balanced fights when these particular players are not on and everyone wins by getting lots of AP and not just getting facerolled. Hopefully 1.6 will provide tools for countering their playstyle better.

PvP needs to encourage all play styles not favour grouping up only In AoE spam groups.Small group play and solo play needs to be viable too.

Completely agree. I wish people would be banned for this exploit. We had a great fight with a very large AD group between ales and bleakers this evening. No monkey lag spam exploits. No lag. After the fight was over, a bunch of notorious EP lagsploiters turned up, the ones who used to play on AD, and the game became an laggy, miserable mess. I saw 20 of them spamming pulse and healing springs away from the fight, specifically to lag out the server, while the other 30 EP accomplices fought us. Pathetic.

Rune_Relic

Just thought I would restock the supply for all factions.....

kevlarto_ESO

PVP needs to be fun on both sides of the keyboard, if one side is always getting pounded and players are not having fun, guess what happens after awhile, people stop logging in, then the side that was doing the pounding find themselves with less and less battles and things to do, guess what happens then over time less of them start to log in and pvp slowly dies down to just a handful of people stroking their epeens.

I pvp every day for several hours, I have seen some strange stuff, I have seen poor tactics and just plain bad game play, cheating with known exploits, but I am stubborn pvp guy I always try to find a away to make things happen, I hope pvp stays alive and active, I can't wait for the changes coming in 1.6.

frozywozy

Laggus wrote: »

On Thorne its litterally a handful if EP players that persistantly form the AoE spam groups. Its a far too effective form of play and it does result in lag whether intentional or not.

It discourages players from other factions playing PvP and discourages particularly any new players trying PvP. It does PvP no good at all for everyone. I've had really good balanced fights when these particular players are not on and everyone wins by getting lots of AP and not just getting facerolled. Hopefully 1.6 will provide tools for countering their playstyle better.

PvP needs to encourage all play styles not favour grouping up only In AoE spam groups.Small group play and solo play needs to be viable too.

If you wanna have fun in solo play, whisper murdo ingame for special tactics.

Haquor

Columba wrote: »

Yep, great game that allows a strategy to shut down everyone else's machines. such skillful exploits.

I'll take your stuff.

Milf_Hero

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

Used to be somewhat even. But now its as if EP is literally steamrolling every campaign now..

They are controlling Thorn, Even controlling Haderus.

Any encounter against them is nothing but a complete *** over because 90% of them are Batswarm DKs Spamming scales 99% of the time (they do sometimes drop it... but rarely) and almost always a zerg of them doing it all at once that the other factions have no real chance against.

there is no point in paying for a game when all you are doing is getting your ass handed too anymore.

I would say "but there is still PvE" but sadly its begun to affect that as well..

im stayingish untill 1.6... if no improvement from that i have had enough. ZOS is doing nothing to fix these issues.

PvP, at least for me, has always been this dead in, smacking my head against a wall type of thing. You go out every day, kill or be killed. Using the same tactics in a repetitive, machine/brain dead like zombie manner, that some guy thought up that every one does. AoE all day, all night. When its prime time when its graveyard shift. You could say its the same for pve but its different in a way. You find a group. Maybe become friends. Help to better each other's characters and obtain gear. Work together to beat a NPC and not some guy, somewhere, who has crunched the numbers, obtained the best gear, and now can fight you and 10 other people. Or my favorite, That one guy and 40 other people that are just like him, against you and 10-40 other people just like you. (Which means, the other group will win, mostly every time.) At least when you are defeated by a boss npc, you know they have this set in a way that it is beatable and not impossible. The only way you will beat a group of 40 vr14s that are experienced in the ways of ESO pvp is to do exactly what they are doing and hope luck is on your side. I hate ESO pvp. Small scale pvp is different. BUT in large scale pvp which is the norm, I can't see why people enjoy it. Plus, PvPers whine and get skills and classes changed so that they suck. Literally, suck. You won't see people complaining in pve about nerfing skills. The only reason people control everything is for buffs, emperor buffs, and buffing their egos as they say, "hey AD suck on defeat because you once defeated us." DC is not even an alliance anymore. It more like hired mercs that will take either side or betray both sides. NO BALANCE. You want balance in pvp. I don't think you will ever have it. People will always take, and TAKE IT ALL THEY WILL. Haderus, thronblade, buffs, your keeps, your women, gold, anything. Doesn't even matter what it is. Give em an inch, they'll take a mile and then some.

Poxheart

frozywozy wrote: »

If you wanna have fun in solo play, whisper murdo ingame for special tactics.

Not sure if trolling...

diskiukas

Galalin wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Galalin wrote: »

Psilent wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

woodsro wrote: »

There is a real chance, its called NOT fighting them head on.

Before I come commit to defending a keep, I survey the situation, how many defenders vs how many attackers.

If they break the outter wall and are swarming in and we are vastly outnumbered, I don't run to the inner, I vanish and escape all together leave. Its always better to live to fight another day then to die. If you don't get killed that = no ap gained from your death. You can regain the keep later.

Furthermore, when EP has these huge zergs at a keep attacking, they hardly have any defenses behind them so instead of defending attack a keep behind them. They will take ours, we will take theirs. They will come back for theirs and we take ours back, rinse and repeat a game of annoying them.

I'm just one solo person, folks don't lists to me, I don't expect them too. I have read The Art of War, I have read Irwin Rommells Infantry Attacks, you have to use superior tactics when outnumbered. You have to play a game of choices, the more choices your adversary is presented with, the greater the odds he makes the wrong one.

This is the principle of how these tactics work. Next time a huge EP zerg attacks one of our keeps, the rest of the DC pop just needs to go behind them and attack one of theirs, either they divert resources to defend behind them or we trade keeps, either way is a win and will annoy them, they wont stop these huge groups until DC gives them a reason to commit considerable forces to defend their rear positions, once we do that, the zergs get smaller.

all this literally doesnt matter when your faction has no organization to begin with..

AD is full of people who dont know how to, and actually dont WANT to actually get tactical.

today on Haderus, we out numbered that one zerg with at least 5/1 but they had no problems controlling the map, the few people in group had no idea what they were doing and 50% refused to do anything crown was saying..

AD has no PvP guilds really anymore.

Don't know if your talking about what happened at Black Boot on Haderus or not, but if so, yes EP was vastly outnumbered there. However, you just kept running into the inner one or five at a time and we just killed you all as you came up the stairs. As your number thinned out, we pushed out and repaired. We did that twice, then you all gave up it seemed.

I pulled my raid out of Black Boot and wouldn't allow them to gate camp you; I know what's it like to have 20 AD and an AD Emperor behind the gates for no reason, not going to do that to AD. Even though, I know later this week I'll have a new AD Emperor behind the gates of Chim/Ghartok.

Its fun to play the underdog; enjoy it while you can!

Jesus and i went to work to miss this... i assumed he was talking about earlier on. Sounds like you guys had a great day.

DAM YOU WORK

You missed Benom soloing like 15 AD. I think Benom is in the running for best DK NA!

He is a beast!!! Oh how i wish i was there

Ata boy spudnik!!!

She/He is good (Benom) , however gotta ask, what's up with all 2 minutes sit up animations she/he is doing on my corpse? Does she/he doing to all that or just to me and what does it mean? She/he is implying that she wants to have intimate relations with me? In that case would you tell her/him that I am 50 year old overweight, bald man please.

Sanct16

***_Hero wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

Used to be somewhat even. But now its as if EP is literally steamrolling every campaign now..

They are controlling Thorn, Even controlling Haderus.

Any encounter against them is nothing but a complete *** over because 90% of them are Batswarm DKs Spamming scales 99% of the time (they do sometimes drop it... but rarely) and almost always a zerg of them doing it all at once that the other factions have no real chance against.

there is no point in paying for a game when all you are doing is getting your ass handed too anymore.

I would say "but there is still PvE" but sadly its begun to affect that as well..

im stayingish untill 1.6... if no improvement from that i have had enough. ZOS is doing nothing to fix these issues.

PvP, at least for me, has always been this dead in, smacking my head against a wall type of thing. You go out every day, kill or be killed. Using the same tactics in a repetitive, machine/brain dead like zombie manner, that some guy thought up that every one does. AoE all day, all night. When its prime time when its graveyard shift. You could say its the same for pve but its different in a way. You find a group. Maybe become friends. Help to better each other's characters and obtain gear. Work together to beat a NPC and not some guy, somewhere, who has crunched the numbers, obtained the best gear, and now can fight you and 10 other people. Or my favorite, That one guy and 40 other people that are just like him, against you and 10-40 other people just like you. (Which means, the other group will win, mostly every time.) At least when you are defeated by a boss npc, you know they have this set in a way that it is beatable and not impossible. The only way you will beat a group of 40 vr14s that are experienced in the ways of ESO pvp is to do exactly what they are doing and hope luck is on your side. I hate ESO pvp. Small scale pvp is different. BUT in large scale pvp which is the norm, I can't see why people enjoy it. Plus, PvPers whine and get skills and classes changed so that they suck. Literally, suck. You won't see people complaining in pve about nerfing skills. The only reason people control everything is for buffs, emperor buffs, and buffing their egos as they say, "hey AD suck on defeat because you once defeated us." DC is not even an alliance anymore. It more like hired mercs that will take either side or betray both sides. NO BALANCE. You want balance in pvp. I don't think you will ever have it. People will always take, and TAKE IT ALL THEY WILL. Haderus, thronblade, buffs, your keeps, your women, gold, anything. Doesn't even matter what it is. Give em an inch, they'll take a mile and then some.

Hopefully 1.6 will handling with these groups easier as its a stupid form of pvp without any doubt.

On the other hand its wrong to say those groups are not defeatable. We destroyed those super skilled 50man bombgroups countless times with just 6-10 players. The bigger issue is that the servers can't handle them.

Weberda

She/He is good (Benom) , however gotta ask, what's up with all 2 minutes sit up animations she/he is doing on my corpse? Does she/he doing to all that or just to me and what does it mean? She/he is implying that she wants to have intimate relations with me? In that case would you tell her/him that I am 50 year old overweight, bald man please.
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Uh-oh. Benom is never going to live this down in guild chat. lol

RedShirtRob

Just logged in. Like most mornings, Crystallized is Emperor, and has been for 4.5 hours (or, since ~6AM Eastern). AD have no scrolls. It's disheartening and pathetic. I don't believe AD ever nightcapped to nearly this degree.

Roechacca

I would like to see a poll regarding the ratio of Nightcappers to the national average of Unemployment . The real unemployment numbers not the fixed election numbers that don't include those on unemployment so long they drop off the charts . Purely for research of course ...

Satiar

RedShirtRob wrote: »

Just logged in. Like most mornings, Crystallized is Emperor, and has been for 4.5 hours (or, since ~6AM Eastern). AD have no scrolls. It's disheartening and pathetic. I don't believe AD ever nightcapped to nearly this degree.

It was worse.

Agrippa_Invisus

Satiar wrote: »

RedShirtRob wrote: »

Just logged in. Like most mornings, Crystallized is Emperor, and has been for 4.5 hours (or, since ~6AM Eastern). AD have no scrolls. It's disheartening and pathetic. I don't believe AD ever nightcapped to nearly this degree.

It was worse.

Yup. When I first joined Thornblade at the end of the 1st cycle, it was every day grinding back from the gates. Usually there weren't enough EP/DC on untill about noon.