Its not enjoyable at all anymore.

frozywozy

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

heh, Steel Tornado is going to be insane next patch with the cap changes, its a 12.5 meter radius PBAE....People could stand outside your bloody negate and still hit most of you with it.

You can use steel tornado inside a negate, just saying in case u didn't know.

Cathexis

Satiar wrote: »

I'd love some proof of this claim. Any screenshots or proof of intentional lagging?

Any time you try to take a keep and impulse groups show up and the server crashes would be the answer to such a question.

Teargrants wrote: »

I believe there is an inverse relationship between the number of times 'chimp' is said and the amount of proof forthcoming.

Also probably this.

I'd just like to take a moment to get across the point that my formal stance on this issue is that the fundamental problem is that either the server or the network can't handle stacked impulse, and that that is the issue that needs to be resolved.

Regardless whether or not it is being abused.

Satiar

The group does not try to lag out the server intentionally is my point, contrary to Columbas claim. I'd like to see anyone go up against a high end guild like Alacrity, DiE, No Mercy, etc without using AoE to get the job done. It's simply how fights are done at that level.

Certain people's obsessions with a certain guild are unbecoming, considering they offer no proof to back up their claims that they are purposefully lagging the server.

Columba

I have no problem with NM, ALacrity, etc and most other high end guilds. It's the one(s) who bragged on these forums (deleted since then) about lagging out fights. I was in a guild which encouraged this. I didn't believe it for a while, then saw clear evidence of members of that guild abusing healing springs and impulse. My apologies for defending that guild leader. i was wrong.

So yes, there are guilds who do this.

Satiar

Columba wrote: »

I have no problem with NM, ALacrity, etc and most other high end guilds. It's the one(s) who bragged on these forums (deleted since then) about lagging out fights. I was in a guild which encouraged this. I didn't believe it for a while, then saw clear evidence of members of that guild abusing healing springs and impulse. My apologies for defending that guild leader. i was wrong.

So yes, there are guilds who do this.

I'm sure there are or have been people who intentionally lag the game. Id just like you to substantiate your particular claim about this particular guild.

kelly.medleyb14_ESO

The population disparity has always been a huge issue and one ZoS refuses to even acknowledge much less work on a fix for. They "say" they are going to "look into" the under population bonus for 1.6 but what does that even mean?

Columba

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I have no problem with NM, ALacrity, etc and most other high end guilds. It's the one(s) who bragged on these forums (deleted since then) about lagging out fights. I was in a guild which encouraged this. I didn't believe it for a while, then saw clear evidence of members of that guild abusing healing springs and impulse. My apologies for defending that guild leader. i was wrong.

So yes, there are guilds who do this.

I'm sure there are or have been people who intentionally lag the game. Id just like you to substantiate your particular claim about this particular guild.

what particular guild? Again, 2 guilds posted about intentionally lagging the fights. the posts were deleted. Secondly, 20+ people outside of a battle spamming over and over and never entering a fight is enough evidence for me?

Satiar

Columba wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I have no problem with NM, ALacrity, etc and most other high end guilds. It's the one(s) who bragged on these forums (deleted since then) about lagging out fights. I was in a guild which encouraged this. I didn't believe it for a while, then saw clear evidence of members of that guild abusing healing springs and impulse. My apologies for defending that guild leader. i was wrong.

So yes, there are guilds who do this.

I'm sure there are or have been people who intentionally lag the game. Id just like you to substantiate your particular claim about this particular guild.

what particular guild? Again, 2 guilds posted about intentionally lagging the fights. the posts were deleted. Secondly, 20+ people outside of a battle spamming over and over and never entering a fight is enough evidence for me?

Pointing to deleted posts no one can verify or look at for themselves is not proof.

Lag doesn't mean people are intentionally doing it like you claim.

Which guild? I believe you call them "rerolled ad impulse Ebola chimps"... over and over again.

Edit: And oh my god don't you know why people spam healing springs outside a battle? It's to get your ultimate up! Good god, basic game mechanics Columba

Lava_Croft

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I dont pulse or healing springs spam, however,.

I use both when needed. And, no,, its not to lag people out.

not everyone who uses them intentionally lag the server. A certain notorious EP (ex AD) chimp group brags about lagging out the server on purpose with these. These "players" should have been permabanned months ago.

I'd love some proof of this claim. Any screenshots or proof of intentional lagging?

Proof? A guy told him so! That's enough proof for people like @Columba‌!

Teargrants

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Darlgon wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I dont pulse or healing springs spam, however,.

I use both when needed. And, no,, its not to lag people out.

not everyone who uses them intentionally lag the server. A certain notorious EP (ex AD) chimp group brags about lagging out the server on purpose with these. These "players" should have been permabanned months ago.

I'd love some proof of this claim. Any screenshots or proof of intentional lagging?

Proof? A guy told him so! That's enough proof for people like @Columba‌!

A guy? Not a chimp?

Cathexis

I get where you are coming from in that using a legit skill should be a viable tactic.

Even if the intention was to defend the keep, using coordinated spamming of a skill that is known to cause the server to lock up as quickly as possible is still causing a server crash.

You can't really spin that any other way.

Should impulse be usable? Yes. 100%. It just isn't feasible.

Bouvin

Cathexis wrote: »

I get where you are coming from in that using a legit skill should be a viable tactic.

Even if the intention was to defend the keep, using coordinated spamming of a skill that is known to cause the server to lock up as quickly as possible is still causing a server crash.

You can't really spin that any other way.

Should impulse be usable? Yes. 100%. It just isn't feasible.

What's funny is everyone points fingers at the guilds, when it's really ZOS fault for not fixing the issue already.

kijima

Columba, relax a little.

You've made your point many, many times, you despise impulse groups, we get it! I'm pretty sure everyone on the forum knows your stance on it.
While I'm sure there are others that share your hatred for all things chimpy, those people don't use's every thread as a vehicle to bang on about it.

By the way, I'm a stamina NB. No primate behavior here.

Columba

kijima wrote: »

Columba, relax a little.

You've made your point many, many times, you despise impulse groups, we get it! I'm pretty sure everyone on the forum knows your stance on it.
While I'm sure there are others that share your hatred for all things chimpy, those people don't use's every thread as a vehicle to bang on about it.

By the way, I'm a stamina NB. No primate behavior here.

Humans are primates...well met, fellow human!

Poxheart

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I have no problem with NM, ALacrity, etc and most other high end guilds. It's the one(s) who bragged on these forums (deleted since then) about lagging out fights. I was in a guild which encouraged this. I didn't believe it for a while, then saw clear evidence of members of that guild abusing healing springs and impulse. My apologies for defending that guild leader. i was wrong.

So yes, there are guilds who do this.

I'm sure there are or have been people who intentionally lag the game. Id just like you to substantiate your particular claim about this particular guild.

what particular guild? Again, 2 guilds posted about intentionally lagging the fights. the posts were deleted. Secondly, 20+ people outside of a battle spamming over and over and never entering a fight is enough evidence for me?

Pointing to deleted posts no one can verify or look at for themselves is not proof.

Lag doesn't mean people are intentionally doing it like you claim.

Which guild? I believe you call them "rerolled ad impulse Ebola chimps"... over and over again.

Edit: And oh my god don't you know why people spam healing springs outside a battle? It's to get your ultimate up! Good god, basic game mechanics Columba

I'm not speaking for Columba, but just now I captured video of the Chalman siege where a certain group of EP players can be seen spamming AOEs on the flags. Very few skills were working and siege had neither would siege. This allowed me to take a full tour of the inner keep & ID the people doing the spamming. The game became so lagged out because of the spamming that they were able to repair the inner wall and the game crashed for me shortly thereafter. I'll make a youtube account & post it to this thread so you can see the proof you've been asking for.

Ramtaku

***_Hero wrote: »

Hypertionb14_ESO wrote: »

People will always take, and TAKE IT ALL THEY WILL. Haderus, thronblade, buffs, your keeps, your women, gold, anything. Doesn't even matter what it is. Give em an inch, they'll take a mile and then some.

Grim13

Poxheart wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I have no problem with NM, ALacrity, etc and most other high end guilds. It's the one(s) who bragged on these forums (deleted since then) about lagging out fights. I was in a guild which encouraged this. I didn't believe it for a while, then saw clear evidence of members of that guild abusing healing springs and impulse. My apologies for defending that guild leader. i was wrong.

So yes, there are guilds who do this.

I'm sure there are or have been people who intentionally lag the game. Id just like you to substantiate your particular claim about this particular guild.

what particular guild? Again, 2 guilds posted about intentionally lagging the fights. the posts were deleted. Secondly, 20+ people outside of a battle spamming over and over and never entering a fight is enough evidence for me?

Pointing to deleted posts no one can verify or look at for themselves is not proof.

Lag doesn't mean people are intentionally doing it like you claim.

Which guild? I believe you call them "rerolled ad impulse Ebola chimps"... over and over again.

Edit: And oh my god don't you know why people spam healing springs outside a battle? It's to get your ultimate up! Good god, basic game mechanics Columba

I'm not speaking for Columba, but just now I captured video of the Chalman siege where a certain group of EP players can be seen spamming AOEs on the flags. Very few skills were working and siege had neither would siege. This allowed me to take a full tour of the inner keep & ID the people doing the spamming. The game became so lagged out because of the spamming that they were able to repair the inner wall and the game crashed for me shortly thereafter. I'll make a youtube account & post it to this thread so you can see the proof you've been asking for.

Great work.

Honestly, I'm surprised that there are any left who believe this isn't intentional.

Yes, it's a shame that a frequently used skill is causing this big of a server issue. Yes, I realise it's difficult to pinpoint exactly where the line between use and abuse is because it's so widely used.

..But the fact that it's use does cross that blurry line over into intentional abuse should be crystal clear by now.

Satiar

Poxheart wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I have no problem with NM, ALacrity, etc and most other high end guilds. It's the one(s) who bragged on these forums (deleted since then) about lagging out fights. I was in a guild which encouraged this. I didn't believe it for a while, then saw clear evidence of members of that guild abusing healing springs and impulse. My apologies for defending that guild leader. i was wrong.

So yes, there are guilds who do this.

I'm sure there are or have been people who intentionally lag the game. Id just like you to substantiate your particular claim about this particular guild.

what particular guild? Again, 2 guilds posted about intentionally lagging the fights. the posts were deleted. Secondly, 20+ people outside of a battle spamming over and over and never entering a fight is enough evidence for me?

Pointing to deleted posts no one can verify or look at for themselves is not proof.

Lag doesn't mean people are intentionally doing it like you claim.

Which guild? I believe you call them "rerolled ad impulse Ebola chimps"... over and over again.

Edit: And oh my god don't you know why people spam healing springs outside a battle? It's to get your ultimate up! Good god, basic game mechanics Columba

I'm not speaking for Columba, but just now I captured video of the Chalman siege where a certain group of EP players can be seen spamming AOEs on the flags. Very few skills were working and siege had neither would siege. This allowed me to take a full tour of the inner keep & ID the people doing the spamming. The game became so lagged out because of the spamming that they were able to repair the inner wall and the game crashed for me shortly thereafter. I'll make a youtube account & post it to this thread so you can see the proof you've been asking for.

ive seen plenty and been in plenty of those aoe on flags situations. It's never been to cause lag, it's to hope that the keep flips, and your lagged damage outdoes their lagged damage when it all finally catches up. Everyone hates those situations. But once one group decides to push in on a flag and flip it, people can either take it back or let them have it. Sometimes lag happens, sometimes it doesn't

Satiar

Why do people think any group likes these lagged out fights. I wish you could be in TS when they happen, because the rage is real. People hate it. We like clean fights with working skills. No one is trying to cause this, just trying to make the best of what is happening.

Lava_Croft

Satiar wrote: »

Why do people think any group likes these lagged out fights. I wish you could be in TS when they happen, because the rage is real. People hate it. We like clean fights with working skills. No one is trying to cause this, just trying to make the best of what is happening.

Because they are whiners that only take to the forums when the enemy factions are the perceived cause of the insane lag. You don't see them cry their eyes out when they are benefiting from said insane lag.

Xsorus

frozywozy wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

heh, Steel Tornado is going to be insane next patch with the cap changes, its a 12.5 meter radius PBAE....People could stand outside your bloody negate and still hit most of you with it.

You can use steel tornado inside a negate, just saying in case u didn't know.

Can you? Then ya...prepare for the Nb Steel Tornado Trains

Satiar

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

heh, Steel Tornado is going to be insane next patch with the cap changes, its a 12.5 meter radius PBAE....People could stand outside your bloody negate and still hit most of you with it.

You can use steel tornado inside a negate, just saying in case u didn't know.

Can you? Then ya...prepare for the Nb Steel Tornado Trains

Hands off, my patent!

Poxheart

Satiar wrote: »

Why do people think any group likes these lagged out fights. I wish you could be in TS when they happen, because the rage is real. People hate it. We like clean fights with working skills. No one is trying to cause this, just trying to make the best of what is happening.

If you liked clean fights you wouldn't use skills that lag the game. There are a lot of folks that believe that your last sentence should end, "...just trying to take advantage of what is happening."

Satiar

Poxheart wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Why do people think any group likes these lagged out fights. I wish you could be in TS when they happen, because the rage is real. People hate it. We like clean fights with working skills. No one is trying to cause this, just trying to make the best of what is happening.

If you liked clean fights you wouldn't use skills that lag the game. There are a lot of folks that believe that your last sentence should end, "...just trying to take advantage of what is happening."

If we stopped using AoE and AD guilds didn't, they'd roll us to our gates. This isn't a problem that can be solved by picking a random guild and telling them to stop. No one wants to lose, no one is going to cripple themselves like that.

It's just a bad idea, mate.

RinaldoGandolphi

After what I witnessed at chalman, I'm going on a pvp hiatus, going to work on leveling my alt.

I'm not wasting my time on that kinda lag. Good luck to you folks out there.

AhPook_Is_Here

Poxheart wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I have no problem with NM, ALacrity, etc and most other high end guilds. It's the one(s) who bragged on these forums (deleted since then) about lagging out fights. I was in a guild which encouraged this. I didn't believe it for a while, then saw clear evidence of members of that guild abusing healing springs and impulse. My apologies for defending that guild leader. i was wrong.

So yes, there are guilds who do this.

I'm sure there are or have been people who intentionally lag the game. Id just like you to substantiate your particular claim about this particular guild.

what particular guild? Again, 2 guilds posted about intentionally lagging the fights. the posts were deleted. Secondly, 20+ people outside of a battle spamming over and over and never entering a fight is enough evidence for me?

Pointing to deleted posts no one can verify or look at for themselves is not proof.

Lag doesn't mean people are intentionally doing it like you claim.

Which guild? I believe you call them "rerolled ad impulse Ebola chimps"... over and over again.

Edit: And oh my god don't you know why people spam healing springs outside a battle? It's to get your ultimate up! Good god, basic game mechanics Columba

I'm not speaking for Columba, but just now I captured video of the Chalman siege where a certain group of EP players can be seen spamming AOEs on the flags. Very few skills were working and siege had neither would siege. This allowed me to take a full tour of the inner keep & ID the people doing the spamming. The game became so lagged out because of the spamming that they were able to repair the inner wall and the game crashed for me shortly thereafter. I'll make a youtube account & post it to this thread so you can see the proof you've been asking for.

I'm sure there won't be any AD or DC spamming aoe in that video, participating in the AOE lagsaber-lock fight. They would never use AoE when trying to take a flag-room. I get everyone's frustration with this, but this is really a matter that needs to be addressed by Zeni, it has become the meta-game for pinch defenses.

If you are referring to the Chalman siege on US thornblade today I was there, and almost everyone crashed at some point from the lag. You have to ask yourself this too, if all EP has is that one keep, what else are they going to defend? If you are DC or AD it is in your power to fight each other and relieve some of the pressure on the server. You don't have to, but you are equally complicit in the server's lag issue.

Cody

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

Poxheart wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I have no problem with NM, ALacrity, etc and most other high end guilds. It's the one(s) who bragged on these forums (deleted since then) about lagging out fights. I was in a guild which encouraged this. I didn't believe it for a while, then saw clear evidence of members of that guild abusing healing springs and impulse. My apologies for defending that guild leader. i was wrong.

So yes, there are guilds who do this.

I'm sure there are or have been people who intentionally lag the game. Id just like you to substantiate your particular claim about this particular guild.

what particular guild? Again, 2 guilds posted about intentionally lagging the fights. the posts were deleted. Secondly, 20+ people outside of a battle spamming over and over and never entering a fight is enough evidence for me?

Pointing to deleted posts no one can verify or look at for themselves is not proof.

Lag doesn't mean people are intentionally doing it like you claim.

Which guild? I believe you call them "rerolled ad impulse Ebola chimps"... over and over again.

Edit: And oh my god don't you know why people spam healing springs outside a battle? It's to get your ultimate up! Good god, basic game mechanics Columba

I'm not speaking for Columba, but just now I captured video of the Chalman siege where a certain group of EP players can be seen spamming AOEs on the flags. Very few skills were working and siege had neither would siege. This allowed me to take a full tour of the inner keep & ID the people doing the spamming. The game became so lagged out because of the spamming that they were able to repair the inner wall and the game crashed for me shortly thereafter. I'll make a youtube account & post it to this thread so you can see the proof you've been asking for.

I'm sure there won't be any AD or DC spamming aoe in that video, participating in the AOE lagsaber-lock fight. They would never use AoE when trying to take a flag-room. I get everyone's frustration with this, but this is really a matter that needs to be addressed by Zeni, it has become the meta-game for pinch defenses.

If you are referring to the Chalman siege on US thornblade today I was there, and almost everyone crashed at some point from the lag. You have to ask yourself this too, if all EP has is that one keep, what else are they going to defend? If you are DC or AD it is in your power to fight each other and relieve some of the pressure on the server. You don't have to, but you are equally complicit in the server's lag issue.

It's ZOS's fault in the end. They failed to deliver the epic large battles they said they could.

Teargrants

Poxheart wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

Satiar wrote: »

Columba wrote: »

I have no problem with NM, ALacrity, etc and most other high end guilds. It's the one(s) who bragged on these forums (deleted since then) about lagging out fights. I was in a guild which encouraged this. I didn't believe it for a while, then saw clear evidence of members of that guild abusing healing springs and impulse. My apologies for defending that guild leader. i was wrong.

So yes, there are guilds who do this.

I'm sure there are or have been people who intentionally lag the game. Id just like you to substantiate your particular claim about this particular guild.

what particular guild? Again, 2 guilds posted about intentionally lagging the fights. the posts were deleted. Secondly, 20+ people outside of a battle spamming over and over and never entering a fight is enough evidence for me?

Pointing to deleted posts no one can verify or look at for themselves is not proof.

Lag doesn't mean people are intentionally doing it like you claim.

Which guild? I believe you call them "rerolled ad impulse Ebola chimps"... over and over again.

Edit: And oh my god don't you know why people spam healing springs outside a battle? It's to get your ultimate up! Good god, basic game mechanics Columba

I'm not speaking for Columba, but just now I captured video of the Chalman siege where a certain group of EP players can be seen spamming AOEs on the flags. Very few skills were working and siege had neither would siege. This allowed me to take a full tour of the inner keep & ID the people doing the spamming. The game became so lagged out because of the spamming that they were able to repair the inner wall and the game crashed for me shortly thereafter. I'll make a youtube account & post it to this thread so you can see the proof you've been asking for.

Poxy, your comment's a joke. Take a moment to go back and read what you said.

People using aoe on flags, where everyone is forced to stack because of game mechanics is "intentionally causing lag" in your eyes? Please tell me how it's only a specific group of players that spam aoe on flags? Because everyone does it, it's how you take/defend flags, period.

Please outline what the acceptable flag battle strategy is in your mind then. Are groups suppose to stand in the breach spamming single target? Stand on the flag and spam single target?

The server always craps out when enough people are in close enough proximity using aoe. It has nothing to do with one group of players intentionally trying to lag the server. The only difference between organized groups and pugs in this regard is that raids have dedicated healers keeping them alive so they don't wipe on initial contact. Thus they last longer, and the lag persists longer since it only goes away when one side wipes.

There is no viable alternative to stacking on flags and spamming aoe atm because of game design mechanics. The flags flip whether or not any guards or defenders are still present and pbaoe is that fastest way to dish out dmg to groups of players.

Cathexis

I just don't understand why its so hard to fix. Just upgrade the servers and tweak for peak loads to accommodate for impulse lag. How much money are they raking in that they can't do this?

Columba

or put cooldowns on pulse spamming. pulse spammers would get upset, but that doesn't matter.