Is there a dominant class in PvP?

SRIBES

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Here is my opinion as a player who has played PvP since launch as three classes.
Sorc, DK, and templar. (No NB, yet)
1v1
I think it comes down to skill but templars can survive forever and will just out sustain DKs and NBs. Most NBs will out sustain and put out heavy pressure on DKs and will kill them one way or another. DKs seem to typically beat sorcs unless they're built to sustain and DKs, and sorcs seem to beat NBs. 1v1 it comes down to skill and build overall but that is typically how fights go in duels.

1vX
I think 1vX comes down to strategy and build more then "skill".
I've seen every class do some crazy ass things. If sorcerers can build up enough ultimate quickly they can keep absorption field down on a large group and never die. Templars can use searing light and blazing shield for heavy AoE damage and ultimate gain while taking very minimal damage and single someone out with puncoring sweep spam. NBs can burst almost any player down very fast with ambush, fear, cripple, surprise attack, impale, etc. They can kill one player one by one quickly or AoE ultimate gain with sap essence and tank zergs. DKs... They are known as the most OP class but tbh, I don't think they're significantly better than the other classes. The difference from DK and the other classes is that DKs synergize and can make the most out of non class abilites to make class abilites even better. DKs have the most DoTs which build ultimate, also DoTs can proc the meteor from the CoA set. DKs also become even more powerful with combat frenzy, also reflect. Every class has a key ability to making them unique and tick, DKs have scales which counters a lot of abilites, every class has roughly 1-3 projectiles. I think zos needs to look at one of two things; Reflect and battle Roar and its synergy with combat frenzy and AoE ultimate gain from DoTs.
I haven't seen a thing DKs do that another class can't do in a 1vX. It's about having a build set up to be viable in all situations and using strategy in a fight.
REMEMBER it's the player and build that makes a class seem "OP"

SRIBES

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

david.haypreub18_ESO wrote: »

The results of the poll speak for themselves.

It seems like only ZOS and some DK players can't see that DKs are the dominant class.

For me, a couple of relatively minor changes would make PvP much more equal. There needs to be an immunity timer on roots like Talons, and Scales either needs to reflect only one projectile or to reflect either physical or magical projectiles (but not both at once).

Still, I have no faith that ZOS will recognize what the majority of its players now recognize. DKs have had it good from the beginning, and ZOS seems incapable of realizing this fact.

Scales only reflect one spell? Would be useless. They should just make it so it absorbs spells.

Tonnopesce

Templar is the dominant class in PvP

Now my vote goes to templar.
Let me explain:
Has any one noticed how fast the"kill enemy dk" quest goes up to 20?
In this particular situation (eso's ava) more dosent mean better!
Dk's are the easy class to play in the game (pvp or pve), when you go inside cyrodill expecially now after 1.5 most people are worried about snipe\light attak\ venom arrow spam, now when i go in pvp with my teplar i'm worried about this situation but when i go in cyro with my dk i simply dont care about this and is easy to play. So dk's are overpopulated because they are the easyest class but they are strong too, in a keep siege how many good ( and i mean really good) dk's you see? Maybe 2 for each fation no more but when it comes to templars ? A lot of very good heater ( yes healers, if you count only how many people a op class can kill you are doing it wrong if a good player can keep alive 5 -7 players alone whell that is a good class to)
Btw templars ( now i'm referring at x weapons so templar\vamps) cannot take down a zerg but they are the only class who can take down dk's very easy they can run in the middle of a zerg spamming blazing shield +impulse+ swarm and take down half of them with unlimited resouces (how i use it : melee dw overcapped weapon dmg, soft cap spell dmg lot of stamina i run in swarm + whirlwind + repetance +blazing shield = unlimited stamina unlimited life + alot of dmg) try to stop a good dk...... If you have a group of 6 people is enought (if you stay in the middle of the stendard is your problem......) .
Try to stop a good templar ( not me btw.....) you cant kill him he kills half of your friend then he go away without problems

TheBull

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Well, looks like another round of NERFS are in order

eliisra

Draxys wrote: »

Really? People still crying about DKs tanking tons of people when NBs and Temps can do the same thing? Eventually the crybabies that don't know how to tweak builds will get DKs nerfed into oblivion, then maybe they will finally realize that NBs are incredibly good when you put down the freakin bow.

Do tell us how NB, sorc or temp can do the same thing, when half the the dps population is a bow user lol? You think Blazing Shield, Ward, Bats, Veil or Sap, makes any difference when you have 0% incoming healing and most dmg is insane, ranged and cant be effectively absorbed?

It was possible in the past, pre-nerf of Harness Magicka and buff of bows, I can agree on that. You could be a decent AoE tank playing any class, with shields mitigating a lot of incoming dmg. But now, any class without Scales goes splat in a few seconds.

I dont even see any non-DK's tanks in PvP any more. There's only DK's in the front, than Elder Stick&Snipe&Stealth Online in the back.

Not saying DK's are god-mode dominating everything (they're average or below in many other situations), but it's the only class that can PvP tank effectively atm.

Nivzruo_ESO

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Lol @ 1 vote for Nb /giggle.

Armitas

There is no dominant class in PvP

Aeratus wrote: »

Armitas wrote: »

I did not posit any other information source other than legends. Not having a reliable source of information to draw from means you don't draw from it. You wait until you have a reliable source of information to draw from.

This isn't a viable sampling, at all. Don't call me a liar, I did not cite any other source other than legends and they exist. I have not cited anything from a DK perspective, thus your usage of 'esoteric' makes no sense. Nor is it true that only DKs can comprehend my statements because anyone who understands statistics and epistemology can understand why these conclusions based on this poll are improper. Statistics and epistemology are not some esoteric privilege of DKs.

1v1 isn't an official game mode. If we're talking about PVP as a whole, for all that it represents, then DK is the dominant class.

1 class vs another class is the only way to directly compare them. How do you intend to compare them effectively in raid v raid when a raid is built upon several classes of varying skill levels vs another raid of several classes of varying skill levels?

eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »

I was referencing the leader board. My political example was just to show how statistics correlate. Try to keep up.

In that case you should know that the leader board is a tally of AP earned. All that it represents is who has earned the most AP. A political poll purports to represent the result of a real election by following the proper methods of statistics. The leaderboard does not purport to represent anything other than it's face value, which is who has acquired the most AP.

naturn

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

DKs are clearly at the top with no real competition. They simply have every advantage over the other classes.

Using the pvp player rankings is not really useful for ranking any class as being better since the highest players are either leading or members of organized groups that rely on each other's skill and class advantages.

A naked puppy could make it to the top of the rankings if it was good at group combat strategy and was leading a full 24 man group of dks or a group of mixed classes. The organzed groups also work with other organized groups and at times other factions to rise in the rankings and achieve other goals.

Kikazaru

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

The easiest class to 1vsX for me would be the dragonknight. The DK's abilities and passive synergizes very well. This is why they appear dominant at every front, they can substain for a very long time against multiple enemies. Especially the ones who can utilizes the DK class to their full potential.

I can 1vsX with the other classes but it requires a lot more effort on my part. In a 1v1 situation, it really comes down to who have a better fundamental understanding of their class and your setup in comparison to your enemy.

Erock25

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Here is my opinion as a player who has played PvP since launch as three classes.
Sorc, DK, and templar. (No NB, yet)
1v1
I think it comes down to skill but templars can survive forever and will just out sustain DKs and NBs. Most NBs will out sustain and put out heavy pressure on DKs and will kill them one way or another. DKs seem to typically beat sorcs unless they're built to sustain and DKs, and sorcs seem to beat NBs. 1v1 it comes down to skill and build overall but that is typically how fights go in duels.

1vX
I think 1vX comes down to strategy and build more then "skill".
I've seen every class do some crazy ass things. If sorcerers can build up enough ultimate quickly they can keep absorption field down on a large group and never die. Templars can use searing light and blazing shield for heavy AoE damage and ultimate gain while taking very minimal damage and single someone out with puncoring sweep spam. NBs can burst almost any player down very fast with ambush, fear, cripple, surprise attack, impale, etc. They can kill one player one by one quickly or AoE ultimate gain with sap essence and tank zergs. DKs... They are known as the most OP class but tbh, I don't think they're significantly better than the other classes. The difference from DK and the other classes is that DKs synergize and can make the most out of non class abilites to make class abilites even better. DKs have the most DoTs which build ultimate, also DoTs can proc the meteor from the CoA set. DKs also become even more powerful with combat frenzy, also reflect. Every class has a key ability to making them unique and tick, DKs have scales which counters a lot of abilites, every class has roughly 1-3 projectiles. I think zos needs to look at one of two things; Reflect and battle Roar and its synergy with combat frenzy and AoE ultimate gain from DoTs.
I haven't seen a thing DKs do that another class can't do in a 1vX. It's about having a build set up to be viable in all situations and using strategy in a fight.
REMEMBER it's the player and build that makes a class seem "OP"

What rubbish. "IF sorc can build up enough ultimate quickly they can keep absorption field down on a large group and never die." Do you know how absorption field works? Do you know all it takes is moving a couple of feet over, or hell, just CC break out of the silence and it's like it never happened. Yes, negate is awesome as a zerg buster and practically necessary, but you are getting little to no benefit from using negate in 1v1 or 1vX. You need to drop your negates in time with your GROUP who will be dishing out aoe dmg with you for that split second that the enemy zerg is silenced.

The poll speaks for itself and practically everyone I recognize voting for the non-DK option themselves are people with a DK main.

SRIBES

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Erock25 wrote: »

AsweetRoll wrote: »

Here is my opinion as a player who has played PvP since launch as three classes.
Sorc, DK, and templar. (No NB, yet)
1v1
I think it comes down to skill but templars can survive forever and will just out sustain DKs and NBs. Most NBs will out sustain and put out heavy pressure on DKs and will kill them one way or another. DKs seem to typically beat sorcs unless they're built to sustain and DKs, and sorcs seem to beat NBs. 1v1 it comes down to skill and build overall but that is typically how fights go in duels.

1vX
I think 1vX comes down to strategy and build more then "skill".
I've seen every class do some crazy ass things. If sorcerers can build up enough ultimate quickly they can keep absorption field down on a large group and never die. Templars can use searing light and blazing shield for heavy AoE damage and ultimate gain while taking very minimal damage and single someone out with puncoring sweep spam. NBs can burst almost any player down very fast with ambush, fear, cripple, surprise attack, impale, etc. They can kill one player one by one quickly or AoE ultimate gain with sap essence and tank zergs. DKs... They are known as the most OP class but tbh, I don't think they're significantly better than the other classes. The difference from DK and the other classes is that DKs synergize and can make the most out of non class abilites to make class abilites even better. DKs have the most DoTs which build ultimate, also DoTs can proc the meteor from the CoA set. DKs also become even more powerful with combat frenzy, also reflect. Every class has a key ability to making them unique and tick, DKs have scales which counters a lot of abilites, every class has roughly 1-3 projectiles. I think zos needs to look at one of two things; Reflect and battle Roar and its synergy with combat frenzy and AoE ultimate gain from DoTs.
I haven't seen a thing DKs do that another class can't do in a 1vX. It's about having a build set up to be viable in all situations and using strategy in a fight.
REMEMBER it's the player and build that makes a class seem "OP"

What rubbish. "IF sorc can build up enough ultimate quickly they can keep absorption field down on a large group and never die." Do you know how absorption field works? Do you know all it takes is moving a couple of feet over, or hell, just CC break out of the silence and it's like it never happened. Yes, negate is awesome as a zerg buster and practically necessary, but you are getting little to no benefit from using negate in 1v1 or 1vX. You need to drop your negates in time with your GROUP who will be dishing out aoe dmg with you for that split second that the enemy zerg is silenced.

The poll speaks for itself and practically everyone I recognize voting for the non-DK option themselves are people with a DK main.

Everytime I post something you find a way to *** on it. Yes, I know how negate works. There are always players who will be noobs and stand in standard, stay in negate, feed bat swarm, etc. Set aside from players using impen with critical surge and elemental ring/wall of elements I can wreck large groups, but thanks for trying to tell me how negate works.

zaria

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Messy1 wrote: »

Recently I've been seeing some pretty hard to kill and effective sorcerers just kite whole alliance groups and just pull them away from their objectives. Of course groups have to take the bait and the sorcerer needs some support, but it's pretty cool.

Yes, sorcerer has kite, night blade with the improved range is nice in other settings, templars can be very hard to kill.
However DK rules hard in taking out groups groups, something other can not.
Sorcerer kiting smurfs into siege engine fire don't count.

Yes an organized group does better, the sorcerer kite the enemy into some stealthed DK with two templar healers.

k2blader

There is only one class I've seen where it consistently requires several people to kill one person of this class, in addition to there being potential for that one person to defeat all his attackers.

Key word is consistently. Sure there are amazing players of all classes, but that in itself doesn't mean there isn't one dominant class whose abilities give it an easily noticed advantage over others.

I believe if data were made transparent, the numbers would back up what any reasoned PvPer has already observed through time playing the game.

Edit: My vote isn't showing up, I voted DK.

Erock25

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Lol 82 to 6/2/3 .... I wonder if ZOS and people who main DKs are finally getting the picture.

dharbert

There is no dominant class in PvP

Show me where, on the doll, the DK touched you......

david.haypreub18_ESO

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Erock25 wrote: »

Lol 82 to 6/2/3 .... I wonder if ZOS and people who main DKs are finally getting the picture.

They have shown absolutely no indication that they can see what is obvious to most players. This has been going on for over 7 months now. I have no idea why. Obstinacy, perhaps.

Blud

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

I'm leveling a DK now. I haven't pvp'd yet, but I mostly see DKs in Cyro. PVE is faceroll easy mode compared to all the other classes. I can easily destroy elite mobs of the same level with a DK.

How can a tank with high dps not be OP?

As to pvp, I have seen some outstanding players of each class including NB, Temp, and Sorc. These are skilled and knowledgeable players. But DKs, by far, are the everyone-can-be-OP class.

Thudunblundur

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

To me, DKs are very tough in pvp and if you see one bloke with seven clobbering away at him he's likely to be a DK tanking and doing his job. I have no problem with the fact that I can't do much to him on my own - that's the nature of tanks. Maybe in pve they got DK tanks a bit wrong (not sure) but they got the class right in pvp. And I'm aware they got nerfed, but the concept was right, the nerf was tweaking.

Orchish

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Draxys wrote: »

Really? People still crying about DKs tanking tons of people when NBs and Temps can do the same thing? Eventually the crybabies that don't know how to tweak builds will get DKs nerfed into oblivion, then maybe they will finally realize that NBs are incredibly good when you put down the freakin bow.

It does seem very ironic when i see people complain about DKs tanking many players when Nightblades and Templars are both equally good at it. The only class i haven't really seen tank many players at once is the Sorcs. Although that is just my personal experience.

Aeratus

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Orchish wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

Really? People still crying about DKs tanking tons of people when NBs and Temps can do the same thing? Eventually the crybabies that don't know how to tweak builds will get DKs nerfed into oblivion, then maybe they will finally realize that NBs are incredibly good when you put down the freakin bow.

It does seem very ironic when i see people complain about DKs tanking many players when Nightblades and Templars are both equally good at it. The only class i haven't really seen tank many players at once is the Sorcs. Although that is just my personal experience.

For melee tanking, yes, but in the current stage of pvp, everyone is ranged now, and you can't take two steps without getting hit 5 times with lethal arrow. NB and Templar cannot pvp-tank as well as DKs because they have no way of defending against ranged fire.

Also, NB tanking is only effective in very dense zerg fights when the opponents are up close. Without anyone to feed sap essence, the NB tank is basically useless. Now that FC are gone, people don't mindlessly rush in anymore, making NB tanking even less effective than it used to be.

whiteshadow711jppreub18_ESO

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Aeratus wrote: »

Draxys wrote: »

Really? People still crying about DKs tanking tons of people when NBs and Temps can do the same thing? Eventually the crybabies that don't know how to tweak builds will get DKs nerfed into oblivion, then maybe they will finally realize that NBs are incredibly good when you put down the freakin bow.

Overall, DK is a better and more well-rounded archer rather than NB.

In open combat, DK archer is superior. DK archer does not need to worry about enemy ranged attackers as much due to reflective scale.

DK archer is the only type of archer that can shoot down enemy DKs, since you can re-reflect a snipe shot. Twice-reflected shots can no longer be reflected again.

One connected shield charge and NB archers are dead. In contrast, DK archer isn't a glass cannon. NB archers can't heal without a resto staff as a backup, but this wastes an entire weapon swap slot. On the other hand, DK archer can heal using any weapon equipped (using dragon blood), and thus is free to use sword and board as the off-weapon.

Even when ganking, NB is only marginally better in terms of burst damage, but this marginally higher damage isn't a big deal because if he is on a horse, you win anyways. Furthermore, DK can transition onto sustained combat if a gank fails, whereas NB cannot.

Totally agree here, I am hoping that when Spellcrafting comes out that I can make a healing spell based on the Dragonknights Green Dragon Blood, so my Nightblade can finally be even tougher to kill in PvP.

Gyudan

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

There are no dominant classes. The best players all happen to play DK.
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Blud

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Gyudan wrote: »

There are no dominant classes. The best players all happen to play DK.
[/sarcasm]

Yes, I'm sure there are some good players on DK, but it's hard to tell sometimes because any N00b can do alright with one.

But good players on the other classes stand out all the more.

Spottswoode

There is no dominant class in PvP

There is no spoon. seeing how your PvP performance is in no way directly correlated to your class skills, I would posit two questions:
Does teamwork play no part in this determination?
Is combat prowess the entirety of a class' power?

badmojo

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

The way I see it, DKs are the frontline grunts.

You can have a group with all dks, you can have a group with only a few dks, but don't expect to do much in a group with no dks.

Loneshard

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Leeric

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

Andropedia wrote: »

So we are reducing the which class is op discussion to the which class has the lowest skill level of entry. We already had that in every other MMORPG in existance. While I would agree that DK is the strongest of the classes because it is really versatile and is the natural pick in pvp, other classes can be dominant too.
*Well templar I have seen strong performance, but lets asume they have the highest level of skill entry to perform well.
Imho the problem we are facing is, that its way to easy to dominate in the "mid tier" (whatever this is supposed to be) of pvp with a dragon knight and the fact that you could teach a monkey do perform mediocre with a dragon knight.

lol but you vote for sorcerer?

Whoever votes for sorcerer in this is on the skooma....

Loneshard

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

This poll reflects very well what the majority of customers think!

Kaghei

A dominant class is situational i.e. DKs are good against in mass melees, Sorcerers are good at kiting/gank, Nightblades are only good at ganking, Templars are the best healers.

Lawl at no one putting NB. A group of 5 dks cannot take on 30+, neither can a group of sorcs or templars, but a group of 5 nbs can easily tank 30+

But in all seriousness, Dks and NBs are about equal, templars not far behind, but sorcs are lacking, negates are incredibly strong and will win fights, but asides from that what else does a sorc have.

I really hope zos arent looking at this poll

driosketch

Dragon Knight is the dominant class in PvP

As someone who has taken all four classes through PvP, all things being equal, the DK does give you an edge. Particularly when it comes to self survivability and damage dealing, but I've also found the support skills can also have as much effect on group success and survival as a decent healer.

Now it's possible to make a bad DK build, that is one that does well in PvE but suffers in PvP. Of course I also just took my level 10 unarmed DK into PvP last night and had moderate success punching people to death with just the help of low level DK skills. (Disclaimer: battle leveling does give my fists high weapon damage.)