In case anyone is wondering why AoE Caps are being removed..Here is the video

Agrippa_Invisus

This video.

And people wonder why I've been less interested in playing lately.

Xsorus

æxæ wrote: »

@xsorusb14_ESO‌

got nothing to add but same crap on EU server.

Would you be so kind to tell me the artist and title of the background music you've used, appreciated!

Peter Satera

Xsorus

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

Forgive me, as I am new to PvP, but I thought standing on the flag and pushing buttons as fast as you can is what you're supposed to do. Is it specifically the area effect skills you're upset about? Or the lag? Or the stand on the flag and attack like crazy method?

For me it's the lag. Earlier we were defending a keep from both enemies, and even though outer hadn't even been breached I was lagging so bad I couldn't take damage and my stealth wouldn't break. The downside was that no one else seemed to be taking damage either, but I did feel like a super ninja for a while.

Its not AoE's i'm upset about, I want the AoE caps removed because it would mean if ya stacked like this someone is going to die really fast and you won't end up with what ya see in the video.

The Lag in that video was caused by everyone stacking like that... It basically manhandles the server when that happens.

When Caps are removed you're going to see players spread...because they don't wanna die..then you're going to see single target abilities used more instead of stacking like this. I mean have you guys never been to a keep fight where there isn't a zerg ball present? It plays pretty decently... your abilities fire and everything..Soon as one of the zerg balls shows up and runs around spamming Impulse the bloody area grinds to a damn halt.

Nazon_Katts

MiyaTheUnbroken wrote: »

Forgive me, as I am new to PvP, but I thought standing on the flag and pushing buttons as fast as you can is what you're supposed to do. Is it specifically the area effect skills you're upset about? Or the lag? Or the stand on the flag and attack like crazy method?

For me it's the lag. Earlier we were defending a keep from both enemies, and even though outer hadn't even been breached I was lagging so bad I couldn't take damage and my stealth wouldn't break. The downside was that no one else seemed to be taking damage either, but I did feel like a super ninja for a while.

It is, apparently. But how many times in a row would you deem this particular gameplay fun?

I know, I would like it for some time. I know, I'd even find some different kind of engagements in-between. But I also do know, that the current setup boils down to what we have just witnessed and insists on repeating itself and eventually we're prone to stale and repetitive combat, because mass trumps all and spread does not matter.

I haven't even participated in AvA, because the theory (not only AOE) already spoiled it for me. The rules for the game were just impractical. Nonetheless, they keep expanding on them.

Roselle

No epic music, just me laughing at the situation:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7B3NJqWNJNQ

NadiusMaximus

Turn friendly fire on. Problem solved, case closed, "Dishes are done, Man"

RedTalon

That has happen to me a few times where I was immune and able to attack, but looked like a lot around me was frozen and there damage affected others but not half the other people.

Daenerys

the craziest thing about this video is that it says you are max lvl with no horse to feed. are you walking around cyrodiil?!

Phinix1

Thornball. Lagblade.

AD circle-jerk of unskilled AOEBBQ.

Next MMO please.

Flynch

Remove AoE caps - turn all AoE skill into a 30-45 degree cone-based attack and cost a fortune in magicka.

Komma

Its not all of AD just like it isn't all of EP or DC. It isn't even very many that do this but those that do ruin the server for everyone else. Hope they do something very soon. Things like this need immediate action and not just a bunch of talking and debating. They need to act on this yesterday. It may or may not help or hurt the lag but this isn't good...

RedTalon

Every faction has their time of day for these tactics.

Everyone is guilty until proven innocence!

Mumyo

xsorusb14_ESO wrote: »

Yea I tried single targeting... but lag made that impossible.

Couldn't throw down Oil...Hell if ya think.."Well why didn't ya go outside and just kill people there" because I tried that....The whole area was lagged.... Hell i think it was lagging the whole server at the time.

LOL man. Change the title because this video has nothing to do with Aoe cap.
Its just a lagvideo! I can also give u a similar situation where everybody died in seconds without any lag.

Even though im not a fan of aoe im not sure if removing the cap is a good idea, lets see what happens.

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Cody

Glad to see ZOS is at least attempting to fix this problem.

I despise this kind of playstyle. IT takes all the fun out of the game, and causes a ridiculous lag/skill delay.

whats worse, some people actually consider themselves the best players in the world for doing this.

the fix that is coming up is long overdue.

ty ZOS:)

JaJaLuka

The lag comes from the server's inability to cope with choosing which targets to hit and which not to, the lag has everything to do with AOE caps. To be honest the impulse skill was the dumbest skill to put in the game in it's current (or any previous come to think of it) state.

krim

Will AOE caps fix the lag? Are we 100% sure? Once 100 or more people crowd into one keep is it going to be playable?

Nidwin

Flynch wrote: »

Remove AoE caps - turn all AoE skill into a 30-45 degree cone-based attack and cost a fortune in magicka.

Problem with removing AoE caps is in choke situations, running through a breech in the outer wall, stairs, inner keeps, ...

JaJaLuka

AOE caps are only one of the reasons for the lag, but this video is demonstrating the lag caused by them.

Pathfinder

I was on the top flag in that fight. Unfortunately, in order to take a keep you have to flip the flag and numbers win. Having both flags essentially on top of each other does not help either.

Lorkhan

that lag

Bramir

I think the main reason I still find Cyrodil fun is that I only have 2-3 hours a day to play...it has so much potential but this is not the PvP most people are looking for.

jkirchner71ub17_ESO2

NadiusMaximus wrote: »

Turn friendly fire on. Problem solved, case closed, "Dishes are done, Man"

Not going to happen - STUPID idea. So if we pursue this a little just a little and humor the poster of this idea just imagine what our TS, Vent, Mumble, etc. groups will now sound like. Watch out that PuG just dropped talons by us, oh crap watch out our DK just Dragon Leaped towards your group, Nova crap that is our Nova, "my Negate" oh wait it affects all of us but the caster, etc. You open up one nasty can of worms if we begin asking the developers to "friendly fire" certain attacks. What will be next, another perceived OP skill will begin hearing the "friendly fire" chant till the developers cave in and make it a "friendly fire" affect. Moreover most of the skills in ESO are intended to benefit allies in some way shape or form. Yes it would add one heck of a new dynamic to PvP in Cyrodiil but where would it end. Once you cross this bridge do we then make skills also affect allies in a dungeon in PvE? As a war veteran I completely understand what "friendly fire" means but this is not the real world this is Tamriel. I kind of doubt even the late Gary Gygax would have ever considered making his Wizard's Fireball or Cone of Cold do friendly fire in DnD. Just saying.

On a side not keep these videos coming because maybe then the developers can see the mess they have on their hands. And I am not at all opposed to AoE capping as it seems very necessary at this point but there is still many issues to consider.

JaJaLuka

Remove the skill entirely and replace it with something more workable.

or... http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/134447/perhaps-add-an-ability-to-the-alliance-war-offensive-skill-tree-to-counter-aoe#latest

jkirchner71ub17_ESO2

JaJaLuka wrote: »

Remove the skill entirely and replace it with something more workable.

or... http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/134447/perhaps-add-an-ability-to-the-alliance-war-offensive-skill-tree-to-counter-aoe#latest

Now this is a MUCH BETTER idea than the aforementioned "friendly fire" one. I'd like to definitely see it reworked or replaced entirely. Shame as Destro Staff skills like Wall of Elements could be very effective but all would rather just spam Impulse. Trust me I know many in all factions, including my own, are finding ways to circumvent intended animations with this skill by block-casting as it shortens the cast time allowing for more use in rapid succession. In some games this is called clipping and intended but in others this is definitely an exploit as it negates intended animations and cuts the cast time down. Either way it is up to Zos to get Impulse under control in some way.

krim

Im starting to think all AOE skills = impulse. Impulse is the new term for AOE.

JaJaLuka

lol, that works

Huntler

krim wrote: »

Im starting to think all AOE skills = impulse. Impulse is the new term for AOE.

Also note, skilless zerg is any group (regardless of the number) that beats the person claiming it was a skilless zerg.

krim

Huntler wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Im starting to think all AOE skills = impulse. Impulse is the new term for AOE.

Also note, skilless zerg is any group (regardless of the number) that beats the person claiming it was a skilless zerg.

Lets also blame the players using what the game has to offer for causing the lag.

Columba

krim wrote: »

Huntler wrote: »

krim wrote: »

Im starting to think all AOE skills = impulse. Impulse is the new term for AOE.

Also note, skilless zerg is any group (regardless of the number) that beats the person claiming it was a skilless zerg.

Lets also blame the players using what the game has to offer for causing the lag.

I'd rather just point and laugh at the skellie group that only runs this impulse monkey spam.

Francescolg

I see by far not enough usage of oil on that video