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Race Change Service
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brandon✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Bleakraven wrote: »No, I'll just be happy with a hairstylist.
Sorry man. Choices have consequences. If you don't like your hair reroll.
Did i do it with a straight face?
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✭✭✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.
Elaborate.
You are not physically watching somebody change their race, like some kind of shapeshifter.
The change takes place behind the scenes entirely. You would have literally no idea if somebody changed their race, unless it was somebody close to you.
You'd never know if somebody playing an Orc used to be a Nord, or vice versa. The Orc is not polymorphing into a Nord...
I've already told you how it's breaking the lore. In the lore wood elves are the only race that can change their race and only into monsters. It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.
Unless you keep tabs on everyone, which you don't ( ? ). As he stated above, your arguments are invalid. All you're doing is making stuff up to suit your own needs.
What breaks lore?
Logging into the game?
Interface (Resources, Actionbar etc)?
Opening a magical interface with all kind of fuzzy things?
Magically being transported to Cyrodiil?
Horse magically popping out of your pockets?
These are necessities and has nothing to do with lore and neither does the race change service. These are mechanical aspects, without these, you wouldn't be able to play the game.
Lore is not set in stone. It can be changed or more can be added. If they want "lore" behind the race change service then by all means, they can knock themselves out. The DLC for Skyrim added the Face Sculptor which allowed you to pay some dude to change your looks. So you see, nothing is impossible.
Are you dense? Logging into a game isn't breaking lore, interface isn't breaking lore, opening a magical interface isn't breaking lore, magically being transported to Cyrodiil has been explained through wayshrines not breaking lore, neither is a horse popping out of nowhere, I imagine that it is following you just like old school rpgs where you don't see your allies until a battle. Now when lore clearly states that wood elves are the only race that can change race that is breaking lore. So once again are you dense?tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »The action bar is not lore breaking, race changing is. Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.
Are you keeping tabs on everyone? you must be some creepy stalker then.
And here we go with the childish remarks. That's the telltale sign of someone who doesn't have anything useful to say.
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brandon✭✭✭✭It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.
But it isn't. It's happening mechanically on the server, behind the scenes.
You most likely won't even be able to be logged in on that character for it to take place, if it's anything like every other game that allows race changes. Thus, it would probably be a literal impossibility for it to take place "in the game where everyone nearby can see."
You seem to be talking about something else entirely from what this thread is about, which is some form of in-game shapeshifting. That's not what we're discussing here.
Your single point about wood elves holds no bearing on this conversation, because we are not talking about shapeshifting, we are talking about a paid race change that takes place while a character is not even logged into the game, due to technical limitations.
So again I ask, how is this breaking lore in any way? To a player, you wouldn't know if a race change has taken place, you would only know that there is a Nord (or Bosmer, or Argonian, whatever) standing in front of you.
Last week, he could have been an Altmer. Who cares?
I guess I misunderstood that is would be an out of game transaction and for that I apologize, but I am still against it.
1 It makes a sub model start using f2p tactics.
2 It would be pay to win because people would be using it to get better racials.
3 Choices should have consequences and this is one of your first big choices.
4 It is just a way to be lazy.
If it did happen (which I hope it doesn't) I hope anyone who wants it needs to pay 100 dollars per race change (hey if you want it that bad, you shouldn't have any problem forking over the cash) I think that's fair right?Edited by brandon on September 4, 2014 3:06PM1 -
brandon✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.
Elaborate.
You are not physically watching somebody change their race, like some kind of shapeshifter.
The change takes place behind the scenes entirely. You would have literally no idea if somebody changed their race, unless it was somebody close to you.
You'd never know if somebody playing an Orc used to be a Nord, or vice versa. The Orc is not polymorphing into a Nord...
I've already told you how it's breaking the lore. In the lore wood elves are the only race that can change their race and only into monsters. It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.
Unless you keep tabs on everyone, which you don't ( ? ). As he stated above, your arguments are invalid. All you're doing is making stuff up to suit your own needs.
What breaks lore?
Logging into the game?
Interface (Resources, Actionbar etc)?
Opening a magical interface with all kind of fuzzy things?
Magically being transported to Cyrodiil?
Horse magically popping out of your pockets?
These are necessities and has nothing to do with lore and neither does the race change service. These are mechanical aspects, without these, you wouldn't be able to play the game.
Lore is not set in stone. It can be changed or more can be added. If they want "lore" behind the race change service then by all means, they can knock themselves out. The DLC for Skyrim added the Face Sculptor which allowed you to pay some dude to change your looks. So you see, nothing is impossible.
Are you dense? Logging into a game isn't breaking lore, interface isn't breaking lore, opening a magical interface isn't breaking lore, magically being transported to Cyrodiil has been explained through wayshrines not breaking lore, neither is a horse popping out of nowhere, I imagine that it is following you just like old school rpgs where you don't see your allies until a battle. Now when lore clearly states that wood elves are the only race that can change race that is breaking lore. So once again are you dense?tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »The action bar is not lore breaking, race changing is. Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.
Are you keeping tabs on everyone? you must be some creepy stalker then.
And here we go with the childish remarks. That's the telltale sign of someone who doesn't have anything useful to say.
Again nothing useful to say.0 -
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✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.
Elaborate.
You are not physically watching somebody change their race, like some kind of shapeshifter.
The change takes place behind the scenes entirely. You would have literally no idea if somebody changed their race, unless it was somebody close to you.
You'd never know if somebody playing an Orc used to be a Nord, or vice versa. The Orc is not polymorphing into a Nord...
I've already told you how it's breaking the lore. In the lore wood elves are the only race that can change their race and only into monsters. It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.
Unless you keep tabs on everyone, which you don't ( ? ). As he stated above, your arguments are invalid. All you're doing is making stuff up to suit your own needs.
What breaks lore?
Logging into the game?
Interface (Resources, Actionbar etc)?
Opening a magical interface with all kind of fuzzy things?
Magically being transported to Cyrodiil?
Horse magically popping out of your pockets?
These are necessities and has nothing to do with lore and neither does the race change service. These are mechanical aspects, without these, you wouldn't be able to play the game.
Lore is not set in stone. It can be changed or more can be added. If they want "lore" behind the race change service then by all means, they can knock themselves out. The DLC for Skyrim added the Face Sculptor which allowed you to pay some dude to change your looks. So you see, nothing is impossible.
Are you dense? Logging into a game isn't breaking lore, interface isn't breaking lore, opening a magical interface isn't breaking lore, magically being transported to Cyrodiil has been explained through wayshrines not breaking lore, neither is a horse popping out of nowhere, I imagine that it is following you just like old school rpgs where you don't see your allies until a battle. Now when lore clearly states that wood elves are the only race that can change race that is breaking lore. So once again are you dense?tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »The action bar is not lore breaking, race changing is. Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.
Are you keeping tabs on everyone? you must be some creepy stalker then.
And here we go with the childish remarks. That's the telltale sign of someone who doesn't have anything useful to say.
Again nothing useful to say.
Come on now. No reason to be nasty. I was just trying to help you out. I mean in your own earlier post you were calling someone out for mostly being rude and not really joining in the conversation. Then later in the thread you insult someone intelligence, because you don't agree with their view point. I mean you can disagree with someone and not call them stupid. Which i thought was the whole point of your quote. So to see you do it later it just made me giggle.
Although i was impressed how you make up reasons for how if something breaks lore and you like it, like a horse in the pocket. Oh i just imagine this! Or magic! But if it is something you don't agree with, oh no, don't touch my sacred lore!!1 -
brandon✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.
Elaborate.
You are not physically watching somebody change their race, like some kind of shapeshifter.
The change takes place behind the scenes entirely. You would have literally no idea if somebody changed their race, unless it was somebody close to you.
You'd never know if somebody playing an Orc used to be a Nord, or vice versa. The Orc is not polymorphing into a Nord...
I've already told you how it's breaking the lore. In the lore wood elves are the only race that can change their race and only into monsters. It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.
Unless you keep tabs on everyone, which you don't ( ? ). As he stated above, your arguments are invalid. All you're doing is making stuff up to suit your own needs.
What breaks lore?
Logging into the game?
Interface (Resources, Actionbar etc)?
Opening a magical interface with all kind of fuzzy things?
Magically being transported to Cyrodiil?
Horse magically popping out of your pockets?
These are necessities and has nothing to do with lore and neither does the race change service. These are mechanical aspects, without these, you wouldn't be able to play the game.
Lore is not set in stone. It can be changed or more can be added. If they want "lore" behind the race change service then by all means, they can knock themselves out. The DLC for Skyrim added the Face Sculptor which allowed you to pay some dude to change your looks. So you see, nothing is impossible.
Are you dense? Logging into a game isn't breaking lore, interface isn't breaking lore, opening a magical interface isn't breaking lore, magically being transported to Cyrodiil has been explained through wayshrines not breaking lore, neither is a horse popping out of nowhere, I imagine that it is following you just like old school rpgs where you don't see your allies until a battle. Now when lore clearly states that wood elves are the only race that can change race that is breaking lore. So once again are you dense?tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »The action bar is not lore breaking, race changing is. Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.
Are you keeping tabs on everyone? you must be some creepy stalker then.
And here we go with the childish remarks. That's the telltale sign of someone who doesn't have anything useful to say.
Again nothing useful to say.
Come on now. No reason to be nasty. I was just trying to help you out. I mean in your own earlier post you were calling someone out for mostly being rude and not really joining in the conversation. Then later in the thread you insult someone intelligence, because you don't agree with their view point. I mean you can disagree with someone and not call them stupid. Which i thought was the whole point of your quote. So to see you do it later it just made me giggle.
Although i was impressed how you make up reasons for how if something breaks lore and you like it, like a horse in the pocket. Oh i just imagine this! Or magic! But if it is something you don't agree with, oh no, don't touch my sacred lore!!
Have you ever played old rpgs? If you haven't I'll explain what I mean. You usually start off with a four person party and are told to go do something, however when you stop talking to the quest giver everyone besides you have up and disappeared. You can put things together yourself and understand that your party is supposed to be following you even if you don't see them, it's the same thing with the horse in this game. Elder scrolls has so much magic in it that it's not out of the question to assume that wayshrines are a magical transport to wherever. So please don't act like something that actually has a legitimate reason behind it isn't true.Edited by brandon on September 4, 2014 6:11PM0 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.
Elaborate.
You are not physically watching somebody change their race, like some kind of shapeshifter.
The change takes place behind the scenes entirely. You would have literally no idea if somebody changed their race, unless it was somebody close to you.
You'd never know if somebody playing an Orc used to be a Nord, or vice versa. The Orc is not polymorphing into a Nord...
I've already told you how it's breaking the lore. In the lore wood elves are the only race that can change their race and only into monsters. It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.
Unless you keep tabs on everyone, which you don't ( ? ). As he stated above, your arguments are invalid. All you're doing is making stuff up to suit your own needs.
What breaks lore?
Logging into the game?
Interface (Resources, Actionbar etc)?
Opening a magical interface with all kind of fuzzy things?
Magically being transported to Cyrodiil?
Horse magically popping out of your pockets?
These are necessities and has nothing to do with lore and neither does the race change service. These are mechanical aspects, without these, you wouldn't be able to play the game.
Lore is not set in stone. It can be changed or more can be added. If they want "lore" behind the race change service then by all means, they can knock themselves out. The DLC for Skyrim added the Face Sculptor which allowed you to pay some dude to change your looks. So you see, nothing is impossible.
Are you dense? Logging into a game isn't breaking lore, interface isn't breaking lore, opening a magical interface isn't breaking lore, magically being transported to Cyrodiil has been explained through wayshrines not breaking lore, neither is a horse popping out of nowhere, I imagine that it is following you just like old school rpgs where you don't see your allies until a battle. Now when lore clearly states that wood elves are the only race that can change race that is breaking lore. So once again are you dense?
How is it that you can possibly accept that the interface isn't breaking lore, but a completely mechanical offline change of race is..
And then go on to call other people dense. Geez.
Edit: Saw your other post. Gotcha.
Still, none of the racials in this game can really be considered "overpowered" in any way. Some are slightly more optimal than others, and min-maxers like to feel that they are at least optimized for their build.
Racials don't equate to any sort of huge advantage (and barely even a noticeable advantage).
This isn't WoW or some other games where racials can easily skew certain aspects of the game. The racials are like... have 10% more stamina, or omg 12% health.
Softcaps exist, which diminishes a lot of the potential of racials. Outside of maybe the Khajit Carnage bonus, which I personally don't even consider to be incredibly powerful, given their lack of any stat boosts, nothing could even be seen as really strong.
Edited by Varicite on September 4, 2014 7:32PM1 -
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✭✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.
Elaborate.
You are not physically watching somebody change their race, like some kind of shapeshifter.
The change takes place behind the scenes entirely. You would have literally no idea if somebody changed their race, unless it was somebody close to you.
You'd never know if somebody playing an Orc used to be a Nord, or vice versa. The Orc is not polymorphing into a Nord...
I've already told you how it's breaking the lore. In the lore wood elves are the only race that can change their race and only into monsters. It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.
Unless you keep tabs on everyone, which you don't ( ? ). As he stated above, your arguments are invalid. All you're doing is making stuff up to suit your own needs.
What breaks lore?
Logging into the game?
Interface (Resources, Actionbar etc)?
Opening a magical interface with all kind of fuzzy things?
Magically being transported to Cyrodiil?
Horse magically popping out of your pockets?
These are necessities and has nothing to do with lore and neither does the race change service. These are mechanical aspects, without these, you wouldn't be able to play the game.
Lore is not set in stone. It can be changed or more can be added. If they want "lore" behind the race change service then by all means, they can knock themselves out. The DLC for Skyrim added the Face Sculptor which allowed you to pay some dude to change your looks. So you see, nothing is impossible.
Are you dense? Logging into a game isn't breaking lore, interface isn't breaking lore, opening a magical interface isn't breaking lore, magically being transported to Cyrodiil has been explained through wayshrines not breaking lore, neither is a horse popping out of nowhere, I imagine that it is following you just like old school rpgs where you don't see your allies until a battle. Now when lore clearly states that wood elves are the only race that can change race that is breaking lore. So once again are you dense?
How is it that you can possibly accept that the interface isn't breaking lore, but a completely mechanical offline change of race is..
And then go on to call other people dense. Geez.
Yeah, Some of us (like me) have no problem with an offline race change.
I won't use it myself, since I have the races I want, but not going to lose any sleep over it either.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭AlexDougherty wrote: »tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.
Elaborate.
You are not physically watching somebody change their race, like some kind of shapeshifter.
The change takes place behind the scenes entirely. You would have literally no idea if somebody changed their race, unless it was somebody close to you.
You'd never know if somebody playing an Orc used to be a Nord, or vice versa. The Orc is not polymorphing into a Nord...
I've already told you how it's breaking the lore. In the lore wood elves are the only race that can change their race and only into monsters. It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.
Unless you keep tabs on everyone, which you don't ( ? ). As he stated above, your arguments are invalid. All you're doing is making stuff up to suit your own needs.
What breaks lore?
Logging into the game?
Interface (Resources, Actionbar etc)?
Opening a magical interface with all kind of fuzzy things?
Magically being transported to Cyrodiil?
Horse magically popping out of your pockets?
These are necessities and has nothing to do with lore and neither does the race change service. These are mechanical aspects, without these, you wouldn't be able to play the game.
Lore is not set in stone. It can be changed or more can be added. If they want "lore" behind the race change service then by all means, they can knock themselves out. The DLC for Skyrim added the Face Sculptor which allowed you to pay some dude to change your looks. So you see, nothing is impossible.
Are you dense? Logging into a game isn't breaking lore, interface isn't breaking lore, opening a magical interface isn't breaking lore, magically being transported to Cyrodiil has been explained through wayshrines not breaking lore, neither is a horse popping out of nowhere, I imagine that it is following you just like old school rpgs where you don't see your allies until a battle. Now when lore clearly states that wood elves are the only race that can change race that is breaking lore. So once again are you dense?
How is it that you can possibly accept that the interface isn't breaking lore, but a completely mechanical offline change of race is..
And then go on to call other people dense. Geez.
Yeah, Some of us (like me) have no problem with an offline race change.
I won't use it myself, since I have the races I want, but not going to lose any sleep over it either.
That's a stance that I can appreciate.
I also have the races that I want, and don't have any reason to pay real money to change races.
I just don't have any reason to begrudge those that want to. : P1 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭Laziness you are such a.... nice person. How is it lazy i dont wanna play the SAME Char an Build again to V12 and earn millions of .... PVP Points just because i dont like the face of my char anymore!
Its the same as you dont like the colour of your car and the painter says naaaaah just buy a new.... dense
Changing your characters race is not the same as just changing their face . If you want a new race with new racial passives, re re roll.That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: ».philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »It probably would be a lot easier, if Zenimax balanced the different races and gave every race decent bonuses.
Still, the people against race-change are mostly not understandeable for me, they either don't present any arguments at all, or they come with arguments that I don't understand, so I assume it's simply hate.
Arguments of the people favouring a race change service are clear and understandeable though, as they present game situations how they currently are in the game. They made me aware though, that race-change should have a decent cost though, because changing from Dunmer to Altmer just because of a Vampire nerf should not happen, then Zenimax could leech out the money from people wanting to be 100% competetive.
Race change should have a cost, where one is willing to pay it once and after very good consideration, but not multiple times always adjusting to the current patch-state.
As I stated earlier paid race change is laziness!
You know I may be a bit off on this however it seems to me that the main reason people want a race change service is that they are to lazy to put in the effort starting from scratch with a new character. I'm not saying that's a bad thing (but it really is) Heaven forbid anyone actually put forth some effort. Most young video game players grew up with cheat codes and used them so they could win without any real work on their part. They expect to load up a game and be able to dominate it in a few hours......
This is why I am against race change service. If you don't like your race re roll it will be character building for you to do the extra work to get exactly what you want.
Laziness is a stupid argument. There are people that have several weaks of playtime in their characters, how is it lazy that they want to keep the level that they've reached and not play 3 months again just to reach what they already got?
Not wanting to spend several months and not wanting to re-do the stupiest thing in ESO (leveling, grinding) again has nothing to do with being lazy, think about that.
There are people that have several weeks of playtime in their characters, how is it lazy that they want to keep the level that they've reached and not play 3 months again just to reach what they already got?
If they like their characters and what they have achieved then why would they want a new race? If they want to play a new race then they should start a new character.
Not wanting to put forth the effort a re roll would require is laziness.
That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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✭✭✭✭.Laziness you are such a.... nice person. How is it lazy i dont wanna play the SAME Char an Build again to V12 and earn millions of .... PVP Points just because i dont like the face of my char anymore!
Its the same as you dont like the colour of your car and the painter says naaaaah just buy a new.... dense
Changing your characters race is not the same as just changing their face . If you want a new race with new racial passives, re re roll.
Why isn't it the same? If I wanted to change my Breton face into a nice strong Argonian face, that would be ok. But if I want the tail it is now unacceptable?0 -
Varicite✭✭✭✭✭
✭Not wanting to put forth the effort a re roll would require is laziness.
This is a silly argument.
Not wanting to reroll a V12 character has nothing to do w/ laziness. It's a very long grind to re-lvl a max level toon.
Obviously most people aren't rerolling toons even though they may be unhappy w/ the race choice they made, because the grind is extremely prohibitive to do again.
There have been numerous threads about the lack of desire to roll alts to go through all of that same stuff again; it doesn't suddenly not apply here.
However, if a race change were introduced, I imagine that several players who may have been dreading doing everything in the game all over again would take advantage of such a service.
You can call them "lazy" all you want, just like I can just as easily say that anyone who opposes the idea is just being needlessly difficult, especially regarding something that does not effect them or their gameplay in the slightest.
It's like saying that nobody should be allowed to paint their car red, because you don't like the color red.2 -
Iago✭✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: ».Laziness you are such a.... nice person. How is it lazy i dont wanna play the SAME Char an Build again to V12 and earn millions of .... PVP Points just because i dont like the face of my char anymore!
Its the same as you dont like the colour of your car and the painter says naaaaah just buy a new.... dense
Changing your characters race is not the same as just changing their face . If you want a new race with new racial passives, re re roll.
Why isn't it the same? If I wanted to change my Breton face into a nice strong Argonian face, that would be ok. But if I want the tail it is now unacceptable?
Changing ones face implies shaving/growing a beard, maybe getting a nose job, a race change would be the equivalent of me going to a plastic surgeon and saying I want hit to make me an Asian man. Huge difference huh?That which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
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Iago✭✭✭✭✭Not wanting to put forth the effort a re roll would require is laziness.
This is a silly argument.
Not wanting to reroll a V12 character has nothing to do w/ laziness. It's a very long grind to re-lvl a max level toon.
Obviously most people aren't rerolling toons even though they may be unhappy w/ the race choice they made, because the grind is extremely prohibitive to do again.
There have been numerous threads about the lack of desire to roll alts to go through all of that same stuff again; it doesn't suddenly not apply here.
However, if a race change were introduced, I imagine that several players who may have been dreading doing everything in the game all over again would take advantage of such a service.
You can call them "lazy" all you want, just like I can just as easily say that anyone who opposes the idea is just being needlessly difficult, especially regarding something that does not effect them or their gameplay in the slightest.
It's like saying that nobody should be allowed to paint their car red, because you don't like the color red.
At this point we have to agree to disagree because we will obviously never see eye to eye on thisThat which we obtain to cheap we esteem to lightly, it is dearness only that gives everything its value.
-Thomas Pain0 -
brandon✭✭✭✭Not wanting to put forth the effort a re roll would require is laziness.
This is a silly argument.
Not wanting to reroll a V12 character has nothing to do w/ laziness. It's a very long grind to re-lvl a max level toon.
Obviously most people aren't rerolling toons even though they may be unhappy w/ the race choice they made, because the grind is extremely prohibitive to do again.
There have been numerous threads about the lack of desire to roll alts to go through all of that same stuff again; it doesn't suddenly not apply here.
However, if a race change were introduced, I imagine that several players who may have been dreading doing everything in the game all over again would take advantage of such a service.
You can call them "lazy" all you want, just like I can just as easily say that anyone who opposes the idea is just being needlessly difficult, especially regarding something that does not effect them or their gameplay in the slightest.
It's like saying that nobody should be allowed to paint their car red, because you don't like the color red.
I have to agree with @Iago on this. I guess we will have to agree to disagree because I'm tired of arguing with a guy/girl who can't see anyones point but their own.1 -
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✭Not wanting to put forth the effort a re roll would require is laziness.
This is a silly argument.
Not wanting to reroll a V12 character has nothing to do w/ laziness. It's a very long grind to re-lvl a max level toon.
Obviously most people aren't rerolling toons even though they may be unhappy w/ the race choice they made, because the grind is extremely prohibitive to do again.
There have been numerous threads about the lack of desire to roll alts to go through all of that same stuff again; it doesn't suddenly not apply here.
However, if a race change were introduced, I imagine that several players who may have been dreading doing everything in the game all over again would take advantage of such a service.
You can call them "lazy" all you want, just like I can just as easily say that anyone who opposes the idea is just being needlessly difficult, especially regarding something that does not effect them or their gameplay in the slightest.
It's like saying that nobody should be allowed to paint their car red, because you don't like the color red.
I have to agree with @Iago on this. I guess we will have to agree to disagree because I'm tired of arguing with a guy/girl who can't see anyones point but their own.
So much irony here.1 -
Mondo✭✭✭✭@brandon why are you slow down the process of making the game better and the customers happier? You got nothing better to do like help you Mom in the Kitchen?Im not the Hero you need, im the Troll you deserve!
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✭✭@brandon why are you slow down the process of making the game better and the customers happier? You got nothing better to do like help you Mom in the Kitchen?
People do have the right to oppose changes they don't agree with. And nobody has the right to tell them what they can agree/disagree with.
I've heard variations of the why are you preventing us from improving the game arguement before, it's never valid. Just because you want something doesn't mean everyone does, or that it's necessarily an improvement.
My personal stance is that as long as it happens when the character is logged out, then ok. BTW. But I will step up and defend others when I feel it's needed.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
Wizard's tenth rule1 -
Mondo✭✭✭✭Fact is you personal stance dont bring money or help the game to get better. You Sir stagnating and you take my freedom away.Im not the Hero you need, im the Troll you deserve!
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Mondo✭✭✭✭Payed Race change brings Money to the Companie and the Player whos does is happy! That is a win/win situation.Im not the Hero you need, im the Troll you deserve!
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Mondo✭✭✭✭You really think someone leave because some other got a new race and pay for it insteed of playing the whole way again from 1 to V12? Thats naivIm not the Hero you need, im the Troll you deserve!
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Devlinne✭✭✭Seems that logical statements are brushed aside by juvenile arguments.
AGAIN, i say.
If u planned and made your character according to the state of game AT THE TIME.
But zos changed the state of game, and that change makes your already picked race not the OPTIMAL race for your build anymore......
Is it fair?
Long story short. put on your thinking caps. if something ingame is changed. Why am i not given the option to CHANGE with it?Devlinne: VR12 NB
Demonos: VR12 Sorc
Devin Flames: VR12 DK
Hellzanger: VR12 Templar
Thats right. ALL CLASSES.3 -
Mondo✭✭✭✭1. They will not leave because of it
2. This opinion will not bring money and players will be sad
3. Just get over your opinion and let others play as they want
4. No one will harm you and your little happy world, and if someone do you can do the same ^^Im not the Hero you need, im the Troll you deserve!
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brandon✭✭✭✭1. They will not leave because of it
2. This opinion will not bring money and players will be sad
3. Just get over your opinion and let others play as they want
4. No one will harm you and your little happy world, and if someone do you can do the same ^^
1 You don't know that.
2 Your opinion is wanting to use f2p tactics in a sub game. Plus you don't know if it will bring money either, so don't act like you do.
3 I could tell you to get over your opinion as well.
4 Don't be stupid.Edited by brandon on September 5, 2014 12:52PM0 -
Mondo✭✭✭✭1. Not many if so
2. Yes it will bring money, if you dont see this.. then yes ... what should i say:p
3. Blah blah
4. If you are sexuel frustrated or something get a grilfriend and stop slowing down the evolution of this nice game. Thank youIm not the Hero you need, im the Troll you deserve!
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brandon✭✭✭✭1. Not many if so
2. Yes it will bring money, if you dont see this.. then yes ... what should i say:p
3. Blah blah
4. If you are sexuel frustrated or something get a grilfriend and stop slowing down the evolution of this nice game. Thank you
1 Wrong!
2 It may bring in some money, but if the people who don't want it unsub then it cancels itself out.
3 Childish.
4 Again childish. Using those types of arguments won't get you anywhere.0