Race Change Service

LtCrunch

I agree with the sentiment that in general allowing race changes is not a good thing. Character creation is supposed to be your first major commitment in terms of character development. That being said with some of the changes to racial passives that have been made it's a different story IMHO.

For instance if the Nord racial passive "Rugged" was in it's current form at launch I would have had no questions in my mind on which race I wanted to choose for my main character. This passive was changed from a largely useless "increase armor rating by X" to "reduce incoming damage by 6%". That means on top of my softcapped armor and spell resistance I would be taking an additional 6% less damage from all sources, that's kinda huge for a tank.

Another, slightly less impactful example would be the Khajiit racial passive "Carnage". It's now a flat 6% extra weapon crit. At launch this only applied to melee attacks. Someone that knew they wanted to be an archer and decided against the Khajiit as a race due to the way Carnage worked at launch and probably went Bosmer or Redguard. Now those same archers are missing out on 6% extra weapon crit they won't have access to any way other than to be a Khajiit.

Some of the changes made since launch would have played a large role in why a player decided against choosing a specific race at launch but would have an interest now.

brandon

killedbyping wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.

Pay to win what ? Its not like you paying to morth into non existing overpowered race. You just paying to have an character you would have if you knew abit more before you started your main.

I am ready to pay decent money to avoid another 20-40 hours of grind just to make my NightBalde Breton instead of Khajiit.

Also, we are restricted to 8 characters. Just roll another toon is not possible for every1.

You should've paid more attention when picking your toon, so that's your fault. Like I said before if you're waiting for ZOS to implement this race change you are going to be waiting a long time. It would be a lot quicker just to make a new toon. Also yes you have only 8 slots for toons, but if you make a new toon as the race you want to be, then I don't think you would care about your previous character.

brandon

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.

Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

tordr86b16_ESO

brandon wrote: »

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Lore this lore that, stop talking out of your ass. They already broke your holy grail when they introduced Explorer's pack. Also, lore is subjected to personal preference. It's up to you to make up whatever RP for your character whichever alliance he / she affiliated him / her self with.


So please, leave this lore garbage out of here because you really haven't specified what breaks it (immersion has nothing to do with it, so leave that at the door rug as well). All you're doing is grasping at straws.

Nox_Aeterna

Well , lets hope they add it down the line for those that want it.

Still , it is zen , they are so freaking slow even today we dont have how to change our char looks. So i wouldnt hope this to hit before 1 or more years.

brandon

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Lore this lore that, stop talking out of your ass. They already broke your holy grail when they introduced Explorer's pack. Also, lore is subjected to personal preference. It's up to you to make up whatever RP for your character whichever alliance he / she affiliated him / her self with.


So please, leave this lore garbage out of here because you really haven't specified what breaks it (immersion has nothing to do with it, so leave that at the door rug as well). All you're doing is grasping at straws.

Mind explaining how the explorers pack breaks lore? The reason it breaks lore is because the wood elves are the only race that can change and only into animals. Just because you don't like lore doesn't give you any right to bash it, so you can take your crap somewhere else. Have you ever played a previous elder scrolls game?

k9mouse

@tordr86b16_ESO‌
I (and many many more like me) play Elder Scrolls because of the lore. Lore is the reason for everything in the game. Lore is the history of the game and also Lore is reason why certains aspects are in the game and why some aspects are NOT in the game, take guns for example. Guns do fit in a Mass Effect Lore, but it does NOT fit in the TES / ESO Lore.

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

If a MMO or single game does not follow it's own lore, then it is a stupid game.

Oh BTW, Razum dar is in AD

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Lore this lore that, stop talking out of your ass. They already broke your holy grail when they introduced Explorer's pack. Also, lore is subjected to personal preference. It's up to you to make up whatever RP for your character whichever alliance he / she affiliated him / her self with.


So please, leave this lore garbage out of here because you really haven't specified what breaks it (immersion has nothing to do with it, so leave that at the door rug as well). All you're doing is grasping at straws.

LtCrunch

brandon wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Lore this lore that, stop talking out of your ass. They already broke your holy grail when they introduced Explorer's pack. Also, lore is subjected to personal preference. It's up to you to make up whatever RP for your character whichever alliance he / she affiliated him / her self with.


So please, leave this lore garbage out of here because you really haven't specified what breaks it (immersion has nothing to do with it, so leave that at the door rug as well). All you're doing is grasping at straws.

Mind explaining how the explorers pack breaks lore? The reason it breaks lore is because the wood elves are the only race that can change and only into animals. Just because you don't like lore doesn't give you any right to bash it, so you can take your crap somewhere else. Have you ever played a previous elder scrolls game?

I love the lore of TES games but let's not kid ourselves here, it would be extremely easy for the devs to incorporate a lore-friendly way for us to have race changes. Lore is not set in stone and often gets changed at the developers discretion all the time. Lore from Morrowind was changed/tweaked in Oblivion to suit the game, and lore established within Oblivion was changed/tweak to suit what the devs wanted to do in Skyrim and it will continue to be done.

guybrushtb16_ESO

Would that be because of looks or racials?

I personally am a firm believer that mechanics and aesthetics should be seperate, so I guess it should be a reluctant yes on this one, but I would rather have something to change racials without actually visibly changing race.

Xehmnus_Rayne

I gotta go with no on this... This is, of course, just my opinion and if ZOS decides they want to add that feature down the road, well... there it is.

Character creation is your first major choice in the game. From picking your race, gender, looks, etc. To add the option to be able to change races later just totally makes all the choices you made, or make, in character creation pretty much meaningless since you can just go change your character later.

First, you need to weigh out what you want more. Something that looks exactly how you want, or something that would give the most benefit to how you want to play. Some might get lucky and get the best of both worlds on this.

In short, you made your choice. Deal with it. ...or make an alt and make that how you want.

The only argument I can see being valid to allow race change is... for those times when they change racial passives. (Khajiit, Nord, etc...) In this event, I think they should allow the player to possibly change their race at that time.

I can see them possibly adding some form of items in the game, be it costumes or some item you can activate in your inventory, possibly a trophy, that changes your race appearance. Maybe some form of item you get from an achievement or... maybe even something you can buy in the cash shop, since it doesn't really effect anything other than looks. When you first activate it, you can change/customize it how you want but once you're done, you're stuck with and can just turn it off/on however you like.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.

Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.

Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!

brandon

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.

Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.

Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!

I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.

tordr86b16_ESO

Take my money and shut up ZOS. :P

vyndral13preub18_ESO

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.

Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.

Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!

I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.

You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.

AlexDougherty

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Take my money and shut up ZOS. :P

Wow, what a convincing arguement, the clear unobstructed logic wins me over.

tordr86b16_ESO

AlexDougherty wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Take my money and shut up ZOS. :P

Wow, what a convincing arguement, the clear unobstructed logic wins me over.

I'm holding out my money for them to take it.

Drazhar14

I am against race changes. However, if they do put it in, it should be a cash shop service. Things like changing your hairstyle should be done with ingame gold.

brandon

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.

Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.

Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!

I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.

You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.

A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.

Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.

Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!

I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.

You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.

A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.

You ate jumping to conclusions that may not be true. Even if we assume that everyone playing this game is playing because they loved the old TES games, it is not safe to assume that everyone playing the old TES games cares so much for lore. Example, me. I have been playing TES games since Morrowind. Love them. Im more interested in fun game play and mechanics then lore. Because as with any game book or movie series, lore is fluid. It remains the same, only until it changes. Heck lots of people even say the TES games only played for as long as they are because modders prop them up. Lots of those mods are not so lore friendly.

Karnus

Zos, answer the question!
Do you have any plants, at all.

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

When are you going to allows us to pay for race changes? If you can't answer that then answer this: Do you have any plants, at all, to implement it this year or the next? Just asking cause I really want to change the race of my vet characters, and willing to throw away my money at ya zos.

Zos, answer the question!

Do you have any plants, at all.

brandon

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.

Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.

Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!

I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.

You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.

A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.

You ate jumping to conclusions that may not be true. Even if we assume that everyone playing this game is playing because they loved the old TES games, it is not safe to assume that everyone playing the old TES games cares so much for lore. Example, me. I have been playing TES games since Morrowind. Love them. Im more interested in fun game play and mechanics then lore. Because as with any game book or movie series, lore is fluid. It remains the same, only until it changes. Heck lots of people even say the TES games only played for as long as they are because modders prop them up. Lots of those mods are not so lore friendly.

Mind telling me where I said every elder scrolls fan loves lore? I clearly said a lot of tes players, that doesn't mean all tes players. Yeah sure you have people who say that the reason tes games are played a lot is because of mods (it is true to an extent) I'm pretty sure that most tes players actually like the games for what they are and not what you can add to it. I also never said every person playing this game are tes players. Could you not put words in my mouth

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Karnus wrote: »

Zos, answer the question!
Do you have any plants, at all.

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

When are you going to allows us to pay for race changes? If you can't answer that then answer this: Do you have any plants, at all, to implement it this year or the next? Just asking cause I really want to change the race of my vet characters, and willing to throw away my money at ya zos.

Zos, answer the question!

Do you have any plants, at all.

Bring me a shrubbery!

vyndral13preub18_ESO

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.

Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.

Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!

I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.

You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.

A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.

You ate jumping to conclusions that may not be true. Even if we assume that everyone playing this game is playing because they loved the old TES games, it is not safe to assume that everyone playing the old TES games cares so much for lore. Example, me. I have been playing TES games since Morrowind. Love them. Im more interested in fun game play and mechanics then lore. Because as with any game book or movie series, lore is fluid. It remains the same, only until it changes. Heck lots of people even say the TES games only played for as long as they are because modders prop them up. Lots of those mods are not so lore friendly.

Mind telling me where I said every elder scrolls fan loves lore? I clearly said a lot of tes players, that doesn't mean all tes players. Yeah sure you have people who say that the reason tes games are played a lot is because of mods (it is true to an extent) I'm pretty sure that most tes players actually like the games for what they are and not what you can add to it. I also never said every person playing this game are tes players. Could you not put words in my mouth

Very well, in an attempt not to put words in your mouth, I still disagree with your a lot of TES players. I think a lot of TES players are more interested in a good game, with a good story, then if Billy could fly, because no one has flown in a TES game, before billy did. Before the hordes descend on me this is just an example, I really have no idea if any one has flown in a TES game. Just like I have no idea if anyone has ever changed shape in a TES game.

Mondo

Race Change is p2w? Are you dense?

Give Race Change wanna remodel my char

AlexDougherty

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

AlexDougherty wrote: »

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

Take my money and shut up ZOS. :P

Wow, what a convincing arguement, the clear unobstructed logic wins me over.

I'm holding out my money for them to take it.

The money part wasn't the problem, it was the "shut up and do it" aspect.

Now I personally don't mind a race change, provided it's done while the character is logged off (I don't want to see a character morph in game). But I know others do, and if you want to convince them, well you have to convince them.

brandon

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.

Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.

Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!

I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.

You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.

A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.

You ate jumping to conclusions that may not be true. Even if we assume that everyone playing this game is playing because they loved the old TES games, it is not safe to assume that everyone playing the old TES games cares so much for lore. Example, me. I have been playing TES games since Morrowind. Love them. Im more interested in fun game play and mechanics then lore. Because as with any game book or movie series, lore is fluid. It remains the same, only until it changes. Heck lots of people even say the TES games only played for as long as they are because modders prop them up. Lots of those mods are not so lore friendly.

Mind telling me where I said every elder scrolls fan loves lore? I clearly said a lot of tes players, that doesn't mean all tes players. Yeah sure you have people who say that the reason tes games are played a lot is because of mods (it is true to an extent) I'm pretty sure that most tes players actually like the games for what they are and not what you can add to it. I also never said every person playing this game are tes players. Could you not put words in my mouth

Very well, in an attempt not to put words in your mouth, I still disagree with your a lot of TES players. I think a lot of TES players are more interested in a good game, with a good story, then if Billy could fly, because no one has flown in a TES game, before billy did. Before the hordes descend on me this is just an example, I really have no idea if any one has flown in a TES game. Just like I have no idea if anyone has ever changed shape in a TES game.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121539/do-you-care-about-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94597/would-you-be-willing-to-break-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125386/do-you-want-flying-mountsurl
Is that enough proof yet that the majority of eso players don't want the lore broken? This game only exists because of the tes franchise which has lore as one of its biggest parts and it would be stupid to mess with it. About people flying in lore, If you count levitation as flying then yes people have flown before.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.

Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.

Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!

I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.

You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.

A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.

You ate jumping to conclusions that may not be true. Even if we assume that everyone playing this game is playing because they loved the old TES games, it is not safe to assume that everyone playing the old TES games cares so much for lore. Example, me. I have been playing TES games since Morrowind. Love them. Im more interested in fun game play and mechanics then lore. Because as with any game book or movie series, lore is fluid. It remains the same, only until it changes. Heck lots of people even say the TES games only played for as long as they are because modders prop them up. Lots of those mods are not so lore friendly.

Mind telling me where I said every elder scrolls fan loves lore? I clearly said a lot of tes players, that doesn't mean all tes players. Yeah sure you have people who say that the reason tes games are played a lot is because of mods (it is true to an extent) I'm pretty sure that most tes players actually like the games for what they are and not what you can add to it. I also never said every person playing this game are tes players. Could you not put words in my mouth

Very well, in an attempt not to put words in your mouth, I still disagree with your a lot of TES players. I think a lot of TES players are more interested in a good game, with a good story, then if Billy could fly, because no one has flown in a TES game, before billy did. Before the hordes descend on me this is just an example, I really have no idea if any one has flown in a TES game. Just like I have no idea if anyone has ever changed shape in a TES game.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121539/do-you-care-about-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94597/would-you-be-willing-to-break-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125386/do-you-want-flying-mountsurl
Is that enough proof yet that the majority of eso players don't want the lore broken? This game only exists because of the tes franchise which has lore as one of its biggest parts and it would be stupid to mess with it. About people flying in lore, If you count levitation as flying then yes people have flown before.

No, but i applaud your enthusiasm.

Erock25

I support race change option. Take an awesome.

KenjiJU

Sure, but not before Face Change.

brandon

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.

Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.

Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.

Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.

Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!

I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.

You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.

A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.

You ate jumping to conclusions that may not be true. Even if we assume that everyone playing this game is playing because they loved the old TES games, it is not safe to assume that everyone playing the old TES games cares so much for lore. Example, me. I have been playing TES games since Morrowind. Love them. Im more interested in fun game play and mechanics then lore. Because as with any game book or movie series, lore is fluid. It remains the same, only until it changes. Heck lots of people even say the TES games only played for as long as they are because modders prop them up. Lots of those mods are not so lore friendly.

Mind telling me where I said every elder scrolls fan loves lore? I clearly said a lot of tes players, that doesn't mean all tes players. Yeah sure you have people who say that the reason tes games are played a lot is because of mods (it is true to an extent) I'm pretty sure that most tes players actually like the games for what they are and not what you can add to it. I also never said every person playing this game are tes players. Could you not put words in my mouth

Very well, in an attempt not to put words in your mouth, I still disagree with your a lot of TES players. I think a lot of TES players are more interested in a good game, with a good story, then if Billy could fly, because no one has flown in a TES game, before billy did. Before the hordes descend on me this is just an example, I really have no idea if any one has flown in a TES game. Just like I have no idea if anyone has ever changed shape in a TES game.

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121539/do-you-care-about-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94597/would-you-be-willing-to-break-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125386/do-you-want-flying-mountsurl
Is that enough proof yet that the majority of eso players don't want the lore broken? This game only exists because of the tes franchise which has lore as one of its biggest parts and it would be stupid to mess with it. About people flying in lore, If you count levitation as flying then yes people have flown before.

No, but i applaud your enthusiasm.

In all honestly nothing I show you will be enough. You are blinded by what you want and just can't accept anything that goes against it. I will continue to say that it would be a terrible choice to add this to the game. Just continue being blinded now.