Race Change Service

vyndral13preub18_ESO

brandon wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

How exactly is changing one's race "lore-breaking", anyway?

Explorer's Pack exists. I'm already an Argonian in the Covenant. I'm already a Redguard in the Pact. I'm already a Breton in the Dominion.

How is race-changing any more lore-breaking than what is already currently in the game?

It's certainly not "pay to win", as none of the racials are game-breakingly powerful at all.

The choice of one's race comes at the character creation screen, when one is generally the least informed of what they are doing. If, after having invested many hours and learning much more about the game, a player comes to think that they made an error, or simply do not enjoy looking at their character, I don't believe it's any issue to rectify that problem.

Would I change my race? No, probably not, I roll multiples of a lot of the classes. Do I expect every other player to do exactly what I do, because that's the way that I did it? No, I don't.

The explorers pack isn't lore breaking because there will always be enemy races in each alliance. It's the simple fact that no matter what not everyone is a bad guy even in real life you have people considered bad guys and we live with the same race with no problems. We can use a real life example, most of the world is dealing with certain terrorist groups who are Muslims, meanwhile a lot of Muslims live among the U.S and U.K with no issue. So just because you are fighting with a specific group of people doesn't mean all of that race agrees with them. In the daggerfall covenant I see a lot of races that are in other alliances and they give you quests and I'm sure it's the same in the other factions.

So going with your reason of "none of the racials are game-breakingly powerful" why then are you and so many others pushing for it? If you don't think you made the right race choice then that must have a reason behind it. I think that reason is a way for you to change to the more powerful race of the moment otherwise known as the flavor of the month. In all honesty I don't see any reason why someone would change to another race after playing for so long as their race unless they have some sneaky reason for it. It would be pay to win for that very reason.

Have you ever changed equipment, even though they both have the same stats? What was the reasoning? Was it sneaky? Or did you perhaps just like the way one looked better? Or did you ever wear a certain piece of armor long enough, that you changed simply to look different, because you were tired of the way you looked? And when you did, did you feel sneaky about it? Because in all honesty I don't see any reason why someone would change their armor after wearing it for so long unless they had a sneaky reason for it.

brandon

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

How exactly is changing one's race "lore-breaking", anyway?

Explorer's Pack exists. I'm already an Argonian in the Covenant. I'm already a Redguard in the Pact. I'm already a Breton in the Dominion.

How is race-changing any more lore-breaking than what is already currently in the game?

It's certainly not "pay to win", as none of the racials are game-breakingly powerful at all.

The choice of one's race comes at the character creation screen, when one is generally the least informed of what they are doing. If, after having invested many hours and learning much more about the game, a player comes to think that they made an error, or simply do not enjoy looking at their character, I don't believe it's any issue to rectify that problem.

Would I change my race? No, probably not, I roll multiples of a lot of the classes. Do I expect every other player to do exactly what I do, because that's the way that I did it? No, I don't.

The explorers pack isn't lore breaking because there will always be enemy races in each alliance. It's the simple fact that no matter what not everyone is a bad guy even in real life you have people considered bad guys and we live with the same race with no problems. We can use a real life example, most of the world is dealing with certain terrorist groups who are Muslims, meanwhile a lot of Muslims live among the U.S and U.K with no issue. So just because you are fighting with a specific group of people doesn't mean all of that race agrees with them. In the daggerfall covenant I see a lot of races that are in other alliances and they give you quests and I'm sure it's the same in the other factions.

So going with your reason of "none of the racials are game-breakingly powerful" why then are you and so many others pushing for it? If you don't think you made the right race choice then that must have a reason behind it. I think that reason is a way for you to change to the more powerful race of the moment otherwise known as the flavor of the month. In all honesty I don't see any reason why someone would change to another race after playing for so long as their race unless they have some sneaky reason for it. It would be pay to win for that very reason.

Have you ever changed equipment, even though they both have the same stats? What was the reasoning? Was it sneaky? Or did you perhaps just like the way one looked better? Or did you ever wear a certain piece of armor long enough, that you changed simply to look different, because you were tired of the way you looked? And when you did, did you feel sneaky about it? Because in all honesty I don't see any reason why someone would change their armor after wearing it for so long unless they had a sneaky reason for it.

Honestly no I haven't because I really don't care if I look pretty. If I like how my character looks when I make him, it doesn't matter if he's the ugliest or the prettiest or anything in between I will take it. No I have not switched armor because I was bored with how I looked, I switch because I have better armor which to me anyway is more important then looking pretty. There is nothing sneaky about changing armor at all unlike race changing which is basically you trying to be the flavor of the month.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

How exactly is changing one's race "lore-breaking", anyway?

Explorer's Pack exists. I'm already an Argonian in the Covenant. I'm already a Redguard in the Pact. I'm already a Breton in the Dominion.

How is race-changing any more lore-breaking than what is already currently in the game?

It's certainly not "pay to win", as none of the racials are game-breakingly powerful at all.

The choice of one's race comes at the character creation screen, when one is generally the least informed of what they are doing. If, after having invested many hours and learning much more about the game, a player comes to think that they made an error, or simply do not enjoy looking at their character, I don't believe it's any issue to rectify that problem.

Would I change my race? No, probably not, I roll multiples of a lot of the classes. Do I expect every other player to do exactly what I do, because that's the way that I did it? No, I don't.

The explorers pack isn't lore breaking because there will always be enemy races in each alliance. It's the simple fact that no matter what not everyone is a bad guy even in real life you have people considered bad guys and we live with the same race with no problems. We can use a real life example, most of the world is dealing with certain terrorist groups who are Muslims, meanwhile a lot of Muslims live among the U.S and U.K with no issue. So just because you are fighting with a specific group of people doesn't mean all of that race agrees with them. In the daggerfall covenant I see a lot of races that are in other alliances and they give you quests and I'm sure it's the same in the other factions.

So going with your reason of "none of the racials are game-breakingly powerful" why then are you and so many others pushing for it? If you don't think you made the right race choice then that must have a reason behind it. I think that reason is a way for you to change to the more powerful race of the moment otherwise known as the flavor of the month. In all honesty I don't see any reason why someone would change to another race after playing for so long as their race unless they have some sneaky reason for it. It would be pay to win for that very reason.

Have you ever changed equipment, even though they both have the same stats? What was the reasoning? Was it sneaky? Or did you perhaps just like the way one looked better? Or did you ever wear a certain piece of armor long enough, that you changed simply to look different, because you were tired of the way you looked? And when you did, did you feel sneaky about it? Because in all honesty I don't see any reason why someone would change their armor after wearing it for so long unless they had a sneaky reason for it.

Honestly no I haven't because I really don't care if I look pretty. If I like how my character looks when I make him, it doesn't matter if he's the ugliest or the prettiest or anything in between I will take it. No I have not switched armor because I was bored with how I looked, I switch because I have better armor which to me anyway is more important then looking pretty. There is nothing sneaky about changing armor at all unlike race changing which is basically you trying to be the flavor of the month.

Honestly, then I can see why you have the opinion you have. If you honestly just take whatever armor shows up first with the best stats, never trying to make it match or look good then it is easy to understand why you have a difficult time understanding why someone might want to change the way they look, because you don't care about how you look.

Varicite

brandon wrote: »

Ok lets go through this one at a time.

1 I doubt someone who is into RP would use a race change option that clearly breaks most RPers immersion.

If they want to completely change their character w/out completely doing all of the VR content, which is extremely tedious, a race change would be an option.

2 I can understand someone misreading descriptions, but most people would realize their mistake pretty soon after and if they are that lazy and unwilling to reroll something that would take them 15 minutes then that's their fault.

You assume a lot w/ this statement. Tooltips in this game are extremely misleading, and a great deal of the mechanics are hidden to most players, unless they thoroughly research forums. Even in these forums, you will most likely find far more misinformation than actual data.

If you are such a savvy player that you can not only unlock all of a character's racials w/in 15 minutes, but also thoroughly test them w/out even knowing that they need to be tested, very likely w/out the aid of essential addons for testing like combat logs and DPS meters, then you should probably be doing something more substantial w/ your time. : P

3 If they can't stand looking at their "kitty cat man" why make it in the first place?

I don't think you understand how bi-polar and other mental illnesses work...

4 Again if they don't think their toon is pretty then they shouldn't have finished character creation until they thought he was.

When I was a kid, side ponytails and slap bracelets were all the rage. Obviously people who wore these styles should never have updated their look, even though it's now 2014.

5 As for the "lizard twins" as sucky as that situation may be I do not see a reason why relationship issues should be a reason to add a race change to the game. That would be on the same level as people who get a tattoo of their significant others name and then they break up.

It's not "relationship issues", it's any number of personal reasons that may lead to a person wishing to change their race. The true culprit here is the tedium of VR content.

I have multiple VR-level toons, and while I may enjoy grinding sometimes, I'm not one to attempt to force everybody else to play my way.

6 That's the beauty of this game you can change your style on one character. This isn't any other mmo where if you choose a style you have to stick with it and not do anything that doesn't work with it.

And some people simply can't stomach the fact that they should have made a different choice 5 months ago. The nagging feeling that "man, I really wish I had made a Redguard, but now I'm VR12 and geared to the teeth, I don't want to do it all over again..." can weigh on some more than others.

It breaks lore that's why it effects me and a lot of other people. If it didn't break lore I wouldn't have an issue with it. This isn't WoW or any other mmo, this game is based on a franchise that specializes in lore.

I enjoy the lore as well, and I don't find a race change to be lore-breaking in the slightest. It's a mechanical thing, not a lore thing.

This is like saying that having an action bar is breaking the lore of the game, or seeing a chat window is breaking immersion. Some things are mechanical elements that aren't really included in the game's lore overall, and I would include this among that list.

I can hit an enemy w/ a 656 damage white swing. There, I just broke everybody's immersion.

brandon

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

How exactly is changing one's race "lore-breaking", anyway?

Explorer's Pack exists. I'm already an Argonian in the Covenant. I'm already a Redguard in the Pact. I'm already a Breton in the Dominion.

How is race-changing any more lore-breaking than what is already currently in the game?

It's certainly not "pay to win", as none of the racials are game-breakingly powerful at all.

The choice of one's race comes at the character creation screen, when one is generally the least informed of what they are doing. If, after having invested many hours and learning much more about the game, a player comes to think that they made an error, or simply do not enjoy looking at their character, I don't believe it's any issue to rectify that problem.

Would I change my race? No, probably not, I roll multiples of a lot of the classes. Do I expect every other player to do exactly what I do, because that's the way that I did it? No, I don't.

The explorers pack isn't lore breaking because there will always be enemy races in each alliance. It's the simple fact that no matter what not everyone is a bad guy even in real life you have people considered bad guys and we live with the same race with no problems. We can use a real life example, most of the world is dealing with certain terrorist groups who are Muslims, meanwhile a lot of Muslims live among the U.S and U.K with no issue. So just because you are fighting with a specific group of people doesn't mean all of that race agrees with them. In the daggerfall covenant I see a lot of races that are in other alliances and they give you quests and I'm sure it's the same in the other factions.

So going with your reason of "none of the racials are game-breakingly powerful" why then are you and so many others pushing for it? If you don't think you made the right race choice then that must have a reason behind it. I think that reason is a way for you to change to the more powerful race of the moment otherwise known as the flavor of the month. In all honesty I don't see any reason why someone would change to another race after playing for so long as their race unless they have some sneaky reason for it. It would be pay to win for that very reason.

Have you ever changed equipment, even though they both have the same stats? What was the reasoning? Was it sneaky? Or did you perhaps just like the way one looked better? Or did you ever wear a certain piece of armor long enough, that you changed simply to look different, because you were tired of the way you looked? And when you did, did you feel sneaky about it? Because in all honesty I don't see any reason why someone would change their armor after wearing it for so long unless they had a sneaky reason for it.

Honestly no I haven't because I really don't care if I look pretty. If I like how my character looks when I make him, it doesn't matter if he's the ugliest or the prettiest or anything in between I will take it. No I have not switched armor because I was bored with how I looked, I switch because I have better armor which to me anyway is more important then looking pretty. There is nothing sneaky about changing armor at all unlike race changing which is basically you trying to be the flavor of the month.

Honestly, then I can see why you have the opinion you have. If you honestly just take whatever armor shows up first with the best stats, never trying to make it match or look good then it is easy to understand why you have a difficult time understanding why someone might want to change the way they look, because you don't care about how you look.

I never said that I've never done it before only that I haven't done it in this game, but you are right that I don't care how I look as much as some people. Being that I have dabbled in mixing and matching before I understand why some people like to do that, but not by adding in a race change option at the cost of the lore.

Varicite

brandon wrote: »

at the cost of the lore.

Still don't see what this has to do w/ lore in the slightest.

I think people just pull the "lore" card when they don't like something, even though several "lore-breakers" exist already in the game, since it's... y'know, a game. With mechanics.

You keep saying this, and haven't given a single example of how this "breaks lore".

Not one.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

How exactly is changing one's race "lore-breaking", anyway?

Explorer's Pack exists. I'm already an Argonian in the Covenant. I'm already a Redguard in the Pact. I'm already a Breton in the Dominion.

How is race-changing any more lore-breaking than what is already currently in the game?

It's certainly not "pay to win", as none of the racials are game-breakingly powerful at all.

The choice of one's race comes at the character creation screen, when one is generally the least informed of what they are doing. If, after having invested many hours and learning much more about the game, a player comes to think that they made an error, or simply do not enjoy looking at their character, I don't believe it's any issue to rectify that problem.

Would I change my race? No, probably not, I roll multiples of a lot of the classes. Do I expect every other player to do exactly what I do, because that's the way that I did it? No, I don't.

The explorers pack isn't lore breaking because there will always be enemy races in each alliance. It's the simple fact that no matter what not everyone is a bad guy even in real life you have people considered bad guys and we live with the same race with no problems. We can use a real life example, most of the world is dealing with certain terrorist groups who are Muslims, meanwhile a lot of Muslims live among the U.S and U.K with no issue. So just because you are fighting with a specific group of people doesn't mean all of that race agrees with them. In the daggerfall covenant I see a lot of races that are in other alliances and they give you quests and I'm sure it's the same in the other factions.

So going with your reason of "none of the racials are game-breakingly powerful" why then are you and so many others pushing for it? If you don't think you made the right race choice then that must have a reason behind it. I think that reason is a way for you to change to the more powerful race of the moment otherwise known as the flavor of the month. In all honesty I don't see any reason why someone would change to another race after playing for so long as their race unless they have some sneaky reason for it. It would be pay to win for that very reason.

Have you ever changed equipment, even though they both have the same stats? What was the reasoning? Was it sneaky? Or did you perhaps just like the way one looked better? Or did you ever wear a certain piece of armor long enough, that you changed simply to look different, because you were tired of the way you looked? And when you did, did you feel sneaky about it? Because in all honesty I don't see any reason why someone would change their armor after wearing it for so long unless they had a sneaky reason for it.

Honestly no I haven't because I really don't care if I look pretty. If I like how my character looks when I make him, it doesn't matter if he's the ugliest or the prettiest or anything in between I will take it. No I have not switched armor because I was bored with how I looked, I switch because I have better armor which to me anyway is more important then looking pretty. There is nothing sneaky about changing armor at all unlike race changing which is basically you trying to be the flavor of the month.

Honestly, then I can see why you have the opinion you have. If you honestly just take whatever armor shows up first with the best stats, never trying to make it match or look good then it is easy to understand why you have a difficult time understanding why someone might want to change the way they look, because you don't care about how you look.

I never said that I've never done it before only that I haven't done it in this game, but you are right that I don't care how I look as much as some people. Being that I have dabbled in mixing and matching before I understand why some people like to do that, but not by adding in a race change option at the cost of the lore.

Good to have you back on the lore defense. It is much better then the, race change is a super secret sneaky plan the race changers have to take over the realm defense.

brandon

Varicite wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Ok lets go through this one at a time.

1 I doubt someone who is into RP would use a race change option that clearly breaks most RPers immersion.

If they want to completely change their character w/out completely doing all of the VR content, which is extremely tedious, a race change would be an option.

2 I can understand someone misreading descriptions, but most people would realize their mistake pretty soon after and if they are that lazy and unwilling to reroll something that would take them 15 minutes then that's their fault.

You assume a lot w/ this statement. Tooltips in this game are extremely misleading, and a great deal of the mechanics are hidden to most players, unless they thoroughly research forums. Even in these forums, you will most likely find far more misinformation than actual data.

If you are such a savvy player that you can not only unlock all of a character's racials w/in 15 minutes, but also thoroughly test them w/out even knowing that they need to be tested, very likely w/out the aid of essential addons for testing like combat logs and DPS meters, then you should probably be doing something more substantial w/ your time. : P

3 If they can't stand looking at their "kitty cat man" why make it in the first place?

I don't think you understand how bi-polar and other mental illnesses work...

4 Again if they don't think their toon is pretty then they shouldn't have finished character creation until they thought he was.

When I was a kid, side ponytails and slap bracelets were all the rage. Obviously people who wore these styles should never have updated their look, even though it's now 2014.

5 As for the "lizard twins" as sucky as that situation may be I do not see a reason why relationship issues should be a reason to add a race change to the game. That would be on the same level as people who get a tattoo of their significant others name and then they break up.

It's not "relationship issues", it's any number of personal reasons that may lead to a person wishing to change their race. The true culprit here is the tedium of VR content.

I have multiple VR-level toons, and while I may enjoy grinding sometimes, I'm not one to attempt to force everybody else to play my way.

6 That's the beauty of this game you can change your style on one character. This isn't any other mmo where if you choose a style you have to stick with it and not do anything that doesn't work with it.

And some people simply can't stomach the fact that they should have made a different choice 5 months ago. The nagging feeling that "man, I really wish I had made a Redguard, but now I'm VR12 and geared to the teeth, I don't want to do it all over again..." can weigh on some more than others.

It breaks lore that's why it effects me and a lot of other people. If it didn't break lore I wouldn't have an issue with it. This isn't WoW or any other mmo, this game is based on a franchise that specializes in lore.

I enjoy the lore as well, and I don't find a race change to be lore-breaking in the slightest. It's a mechanical thing, not a lore thing.

This is like saying that having an action bar is breaking the lore of the game, or seeing a chat window is breaking immersion. Some things are mechanical elements that aren't really included in the game's lore overall, and I would include this among that list.

I can hit an enemy w/ a 656 damage white swing. There, I just broke everybody's immersion.

1 I've noticed that most RPers tend to be the ones who actually like questing and don't think of it as a grind like so many impatient people do.

2 No I am not a "savvy player", but thanks for thinking so. Personally I don't think the tooltips are as misleading as you seem to think. Not to mention the ones that are legitimately misleading will be fixed in a couple months.

3 That's not the fault of the game. Trust me I know exactly how mental illness works cause a lot of my family has different things going on.

4 Personally I wouldn't mind some sort of hair stylist in this game. I figure that people in the tes universe would get their hair done by someone. I can't imagine that from birth to death they have the same hair.

5 Personally I don't think the VR is tedious and most people who RP and care about lore probably don't think so either.

6 Again they should have made sure that they wanted the race they picked. I've seen people who spend 2 or 3 hours in character creation trying to make the perfect character. For the people that only want to change their skills all they need to do is respec at one of the places. If they don't want to fork over in-game gold to do that then oh well.

The action bar is not lore breaking, race changing is. Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.

tordr86b16_ESO

brandon wrote: »

The action bar is not lore breaking, race changing is. Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.

Are you keeping tabs on everyone? you must be some creepy stalker then.

Varicite

brandon wrote: »

Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.

Elaborate.

You are not physically watching somebody change their race, like some kind of shapeshifter.

The change takes place behind the scenes entirely. You would have literally no idea if somebody changed their race, unless it was somebody close to you.

You'd never know if somebody playing an Orc used to be a Nord, or vice versa. The Orc is not polymorphing into a Nord...

brandon

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

The action bar is not lore breaking, race changing is. Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.

Are you keeping tabs on everyone? you must be some creepy stalker then.

And here we go with the childish remarks. That's the telltale sign of someone who doesn't have anything useful to say.

brandon

Varicite wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.

Elaborate.

You are not physically watching somebody change their race, like some kind of shapeshifter.

The change takes place behind the scenes entirely. You would have literally no idea if somebody changed their race, unless it was somebody close to you.

You'd never know if somebody playing an Orc used to be a Nord, or vice versa. The Orc is not polymorphing into a Nord...

I've already told you how it's breaking the lore. In the lore wood elves are the only race that can change their race and only into monsters. It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.

Iago

Argonians can turn into crocodiles

brandon

Iago wrote: »

Argonians can turn into crocodiles

There are exceptions to everything and as far as I know it's only one argonian. That is a big difference from every possible player doing it.

tordr86b16_ESO

brandon wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.

Elaborate.

You are not physically watching somebody change their race, like some kind of shapeshifter.

The change takes place behind the scenes entirely. You would have literally no idea if somebody changed their race, unless it was somebody close to you.

You'd never know if somebody playing an Orc used to be a Nord, or vice versa. The Orc is not polymorphing into a Nord...

I've already told you how it's breaking the lore. In the lore wood elves are the only race that can change their race and only into monsters. It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.

Unless you keep tabs on everyone, which you don't ( ? ). As he stated above, your arguments are invalid. All you're doing is making stuff up to suit your own needs.

What breaks lore?

Logging into the game?
Interface (Resources, Actionbar etc)?
Opening a magical interface with all kind of fuzzy things?
Magically being transported to Cyrodiil?
Horse magically popping out of your pockets?

These are necessities and has nothing to do with lore and neither does the race change service. These are mechanical aspects, without these, you wouldn't be able to play the game.

Lore is not set in stone. It can be changed or more can be added. If they want "lore" behind the race change service then by all means, they can knock themselves out. The DLC for Skyrim added the Face Sculptor which allowed you to pay some dude to change your looks. So you see, nothing is impossible.

moXrox

I would not support this.

* race change
* name change
* facial change

next comes:
* quick faction change in pvp
* overall faction change
* class change

and last but not least:

* game change


Maybe the people should make the decision when you create a character, with all the change options there is not much diversification left since due to patch changes everyone is jumping on the Favour of the Month Change.

Varicite

brandon wrote: »

It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.

But it isn't. It's happening mechanically on the server, behind the scenes.

You most likely won't even be able to be logged in on that character for it to take place, if it's anything like every other game that allows race changes. Thus, it would probably be a literal impossibility for it to take place "in the game where everyone nearby can see."

You seem to be talking about something else entirely from what this thread is about, which is some form of in-game shapeshifting. That's not what we're discussing here.

Your single point about wood elves holds no bearing on this conversation, because we are not talking about shapeshifting, we are talking about a paid race change that takes place while a character is not even logged into the game, due to technical limitations.

So again I ask, how is this breaking lore in any way? To a player, you wouldn't know if a race change has taken place, you would only know that there is a Nord (or Bosmer, or Argonian, whatever) standing in front of you.

Last week, he could have been an Altmer. Who cares?

Marru

I saw a player called General Talos dying to a mudcrab... but he resurrected with the soul gem! (is resurrecting not against Lore?) I hope he has enough of them before he will start conquering Tamriel because lore would be devastated.

To all saying about permanent choices, why do you make an alt? You are leaving your precious, many hours spent on character creation, well made toon to a new one?

Sure, roll an alt. Level it up, get another 10 millions alliance points, almost 10k achievement points. It's so simple, isn't it role players?

philip.ploegerb16_ESO

It probably would be a lot easier, if Zenimax balanced the different races and gave every race decent bonuses.

Still, the people against race-change are mostly not understandeable for me, they either don't present any arguments at all, or they come with arguments that I don't understand, so I assume it's simply hate.

Arguments of the people favouring a race change service are clear and understandeable though, as they present game situations how they currently are in the game. They made me aware though, that race-change should have a decent cost though, because changing from Dunmer to Altmer just because of a Vampire nerf should not happen, then Zenimax could leech out the money from people wanting to be 100% competetive.
Race change should have a cost, where one is willing to pay it once and after very good consideration, but not multiple times always adjusting to the current patch-state.

Iago

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philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

It probably would be a lot easier, if Zenimax balanced the different races and gave every race decent bonuses.

Still, the people against race-change are mostly not understandeable for me, they either don't present any arguments at all, or they come with arguments that I don't understand, so I assume it's simply hate.

Arguments of the people favouring a race change service are clear and understandeable though, as they present game situations how they currently are in the game. They made me aware though, that race-change should have a decent cost though, because changing from Dunmer to Altmer just because of a Vampire nerf should not happen, then Zenimax could leech out the money from people wanting to be 100% competetive.
Race change should have a cost, where one is willing to pay it once and after very good consideration, but not multiple times always adjusting to the current patch-state.

As I stated earlier paid race change is laziness!

Iago wrote: »

You know I may be a bit off on this however it seems to me that the main reason people want a race change service is that they are to lazy to put in the effort starting from scratch with a new character. I'm not saying that's a bad thing (but it really is) Heaven forbid anyone actually put forth some effort. Most young video game players grew up with cheat codes and used them so they could win without any real work on their part. They expect to load up a game and be able to dominate it in a few hours......

This is why I am against race change service. If you don't like your race re roll it will be character building for you to do the extra work to get exactly what you want.

Mondo

Laziness you are such a.... nice person. How is it lazy i dont wanna play the SAME Char an Build again to V12 and earn millions of .... PVP Points just because i dont like the face of my char anymore!

Its the same as you dont like the colour of your car and the painter says naaaaah just buy a new.... dense

AlexDougherty

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.

Elaborate.

You are not physically watching somebody change their race, like some kind of shapeshifter.

The change takes place behind the scenes entirely. You would have literally no idea if somebody changed their race, unless it was somebody close to you.

You'd never know if somebody playing an Orc used to be a Nord, or vice versa. The Orc is not polymorphing into a Nord...

I've already told you how it's breaking the lore. In the lore wood elves are the only race that can change their race and only into monsters. It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.

All you're doing is making stuff up to suit your own needs.

Um, no. The lore regarding Bosmer (Wood Elves) does say they are the only species that can change race.

It has to do with the Ehlnofey and Y'ffre. Apparently the Ehlnofey Changed themselves into the Earth-bones to prevent Transformational magic. But the ancestors of the Bosmer saw the Ehlnofey transform, and thus retained the ability for themselves. Y'ffre entered into a pact with them, banning them from shifting (shapechanging at will), and thus the Bosmer and the Green Pact were formed.

This is a lore reason against race-changes, a pretty big part of the lore actually.

Which is why some of us are saying no to in game race changes. Some of us don't mind as long as it happens outside of the game, and others object completely.

Mondo

How does my Char changing race break the frickin lore? Dont argument with that crap.

AlexDougherty

Mondo wrote: »

How does my Char changing race break the frickin lore? Dont argument with that crap.

AlexDougherty wrote: »

the Ehlnofey Changed themselves into the Earth-bones to prevent Transformational magic.

Mondo

Damn it. Its not even the same Person with Race Gender Change etc you play not the same RP Char its someone new. Thats why its lore conform. You are not anymore Bosmer Joe you are Cat Bill. End of Story

Bleakraven

No, I'll just be happy with a hairstylist.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Bleakraven wrote: »

No, I'll just be happy with a hairstylist.

Sorry man. Choices have consequences. If you don't like your hair reroll.

Did i do it with a straight face?

killedbyping

Just give me my race change already.

All those on-line shop haters hobos bullcraping about lore just go find a job.

philip.ploegerb16_ESO

Iago wrote: »

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philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »

It probably would be a lot easier, if Zenimax balanced the different races and gave every race decent bonuses.

Still, the people against race-change are mostly not understandeable for me, they either don't present any arguments at all, or they come with arguments that I don't understand, so I assume it's simply hate.

Arguments of the people favouring a race change service are clear and understandeable though, as they present game situations how they currently are in the game. They made me aware though, that race-change should have a decent cost though, because changing from Dunmer to Altmer just because of a Vampire nerf should not happen, then Zenimax could leech out the money from people wanting to be 100% competetive.
Race change should have a cost, where one is willing to pay it once and after very good consideration, but not multiple times always adjusting to the current patch-state.

As I stated earlier paid race change is laziness!

Iago wrote: »

You know I may be a bit off on this however it seems to me that the main reason people want a race change service is that they are to lazy to put in the effort starting from scratch with a new character. I'm not saying that's a bad thing (but it really is) Heaven forbid anyone actually put forth some effort. Most young video game players grew up with cheat codes and used them so they could win without any real work on their part. They expect to load up a game and be able to dominate it in a few hours......

This is why I am against race change service. If you don't like your race re roll it will be character building for you to do the extra work to get exactly what you want.

Laziness is a stupid argument. There are people that have several weaks of playtime in their characters, how is it lazy that they want to keep the level that they've reached and not play 3 months again just to reach what they already got?

Not wanting to spend several months and not wanting to re-do the stupiest thing in ESO (leveling, grinding) again has nothing to do with being lazy, think about that.

brandon

tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Varicite wrote: »

brandon wrote: »

Having hundreds of people changing their race messes with the lore to much. I've said it repeatedly in this thread that only wood elves can change race and only into monsters.

Elaborate.

You are not physically watching somebody change their race, like some kind of shapeshifter.

The change takes place behind the scenes entirely. You would have literally no idea if somebody changed their race, unless it was somebody close to you.

You'd never know if somebody playing an Orc used to be a Nord, or vice versa. The Orc is not polymorphing into a Nord...

I've already told you how it's breaking the lore. In the lore wood elves are the only race that can change their race and only into monsters. It is not behind the scenes if it's happening in the game where everyone nearby can see.

Unless you keep tabs on everyone, which you don't ( ? ). As he stated above, your arguments are invalid. All you're doing is making stuff up to suit your own needs.

What breaks lore?

Logging into the game?
Interface (Resources, Actionbar etc)?
Opening a magical interface with all kind of fuzzy things?
Magically being transported to Cyrodiil?
Horse magically popping out of your pockets?

These are necessities and has nothing to do with lore and neither does the race change service. These are mechanical aspects, without these, you wouldn't be able to play the game.

Lore is not set in stone. It can be changed or more can be added. If they want "lore" behind the race change service then by all means, they can knock themselves out. The DLC for Skyrim added the Face Sculptor which allowed you to pay some dude to change your looks. So you see, nothing is impossible.

Are you dense? Logging into a game isn't breaking lore, interface isn't breaking lore, opening a magical interface isn't breaking lore, magically being transported to Cyrodiil has been explained through wayshrines not breaking lore, neither is a horse popping out of nowhere, I imagine that it is following you just like old school rpgs where you don't see your allies until a battle. Now when lore clearly states that wood elves are the only race that can change race that is breaking lore. So once again are you dense?