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erm, how is a race change P2W? it does not give an advantage over anyone else. so it seems your jsut another person who enjoys using that term without knowing the meaning. go play league of angels for a good example of P2W. As for the race change, i would not mind it in fact i would most likely but one for my DK.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »No. And for RL money it's too much pay2win.
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✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.
Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.
Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.
Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.
Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!
I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.
You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.
A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.
You ate jumping to conclusions that may not be true. Even if we assume that everyone playing this game is playing because they loved the old TES games, it is not safe to assume that everyone playing the old TES games cares so much for lore. Example, me. I have been playing TES games since Morrowind. Love them. Im more interested in fun game play and mechanics then lore. Because as with any game book or movie series, lore is fluid. It remains the same, only until it changes. Heck lots of people even say the TES games only played for as long as they are because modders prop them up. Lots of those mods are not so lore friendly.
Mind telling me where I said every elder scrolls fan loves lore? I clearly said a lot of tes players, that doesn't mean all tes players. Yeah sure you have people who say that the reason tes games are played a lot is because of mods (it is true to an extent) I'm pretty sure that most tes players actually like the games for what they are and not what you can add to it. I also never said every person playing this game are tes players. Could you not put words in my mouth
Very well, in an attempt not to put words in your mouth, I still disagree with your a lot of TES players. I think a lot of TES players are more interested in a good game, with a good story, then if Billy could fly, because no one has flown in a TES game, before billy did. Before the hordes descend on me this is just an example, I really have no idea if any one has flown in a TES game. Just like I have no idea if anyone has ever changed shape in a TES game.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121539/do-you-care-about-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94597/would-you-be-willing-to-break-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125386/do-you-want-flying-mountsurl
Is that enough proof yet that the majority of eso players don't want the lore broken? This game only exists because of the tes franchise which has lore as one of its biggest parts and it would be stupid to mess with it. About people flying in lore, If you count levitation as flying then yes people have flown before.
No, but i applaud your enthusiasm.
In all honestly nothing I show you will be enough. You are blinded by what you want and just can't accept anything that goes against it. I will continue to say that it would be a terrible choice to add this to the game. Just continue being blinded now.
Actually there could be enough. But it really wont be a poll on a video game forum. And you are right, even if you did show me something that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that no one playing the game wanted to break lore, id still argue i want a race change, because quite honestly im not sure how it even breaks lore. So maybe if you could explain that to me id at least understand your side of the argument.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on September 2, 2014 12:53PM0 -
Mondo✭✭✭✭I have a ZOS Statement about such kind of Question from today:
"To answer your question from that thread, we do not have new information to disclose about additional or post-creation character customization. Keep an eye out on our website, forums and social media channels for updates."
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brandon✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.
Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.
Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.
Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.
Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!
I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.
You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.
A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.
You ate jumping to conclusions that may not be true. Even if we assume that everyone playing this game is playing because they loved the old TES games, it is not safe to assume that everyone playing the old TES games cares so much for lore. Example, me. I have been playing TES games since Morrowind. Love them. Im more interested in fun game play and mechanics then lore. Because as with any game book or movie series, lore is fluid. It remains the same, only until it changes. Heck lots of people even say the TES games only played for as long as they are because modders prop them up. Lots of those mods are not so lore friendly.
Mind telling me where I said every elder scrolls fan loves lore? I clearly said a lot of tes players, that doesn't mean all tes players. Yeah sure you have people who say that the reason tes games are played a lot is because of mods (it is true to an extent) I'm pretty sure that most tes players actually like the games for what they are and not what you can add to it. I also never said every person playing this game are tes players. Could you not put words in my mouth
Very well, in an attempt not to put words in your mouth, I still disagree with your a lot of TES players. I think a lot of TES players are more interested in a good game, with a good story, then if Billy could fly, because no one has flown in a TES game, before billy did. Before the hordes descend on me this is just an example, I really have no idea if any one has flown in a TES game. Just like I have no idea if anyone has ever changed shape in a TES game.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121539/do-you-care-about-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94597/would-you-be-willing-to-break-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125386/do-you-want-flying-mountsurl
Is that enough proof yet that the majority of eso players don't want the lore broken? This game only exists because of the tes franchise which has lore as one of its biggest parts and it would be stupid to mess with it. About people flying in lore, If you count levitation as flying then yes people have flown before.
No, but i applaud your enthusiasm.
In all honestly nothing I show you will be enough. You are blinded by what you want and just can't accept anything that goes against it. I will continue to say that it would be a terrible choice to add this to the game. Just continue being blinded now.
Actually there could be enough. But it really wont be a poll on a video game forum. And you are right, even if you did show me something that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that no one playing the game wanted to break lore, id still argue i want a race change, because quite honestly im not sure how it even breaks lore. So maybe if you could explain that to me id at least understand your side of the argument.
Could be enough what? I can deal with the time traveling quests in the game and the disguises, but nothing that permanently changes your race (at least until the next time your bored then you do it again) that is going overboard. Why it breaks lore is simple, in the lore only wood elves can change their race and only into monsters0 -
vyndral13preub18_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.
Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.
Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.
Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.
Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!
I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.
You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.
A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.
You ate jumping to conclusions that may not be true. Even if we assume that everyone playing this game is playing because they loved the old TES games, it is not safe to assume that everyone playing the old TES games cares so much for lore. Example, me. I have been playing TES games since Morrowind. Love them. Im more interested in fun game play and mechanics then lore. Because as with any game book or movie series, lore is fluid. It remains the same, only until it changes. Heck lots of people even say the TES games only played for as long as they are because modders prop them up. Lots of those mods are not so lore friendly.
Mind telling me where I said every elder scrolls fan loves lore? I clearly said a lot of tes players, that doesn't mean all tes players. Yeah sure you have people who say that the reason tes games are played a lot is because of mods (it is true to an extent) I'm pretty sure that most tes players actually like the games for what they are and not what you can add to it. I also never said every person playing this game are tes players. Could you not put words in my mouth
Very well, in an attempt not to put words in your mouth, I still disagree with your a lot of TES players. I think a lot of TES players are more interested in a good game, with a good story, then if Billy could fly, because no one has flown in a TES game, before billy did. Before the hordes descend on me this is just an example, I really have no idea if any one has flown in a TES game. Just like I have no idea if anyone has ever changed shape in a TES game.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121539/do-you-care-about-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94597/would-you-be-willing-to-break-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125386/do-you-want-flying-mountsurl
Is that enough proof yet that the majority of eso players don't want the lore broken? This game only exists because of the tes franchise which has lore as one of its biggest parts and it would be stupid to mess with it. About people flying in lore, If you count levitation as flying then yes people have flown before.
No, but i applaud your enthusiasm.
In all honestly nothing I show you will be enough. You are blinded by what you want and just can't accept anything that goes against it. I will continue to say that it would be a terrible choice to add this to the game. Just continue being blinded now.
Actually there could be enough. But it really wont be a poll on a video game forum. And you are right, even if you did show me something that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that no one playing the game wanted to break lore, id still argue i want a race change, because quite honestly im not sure how it even breaks lore. So maybe if you could explain that to me id at least understand your side of the argument.
Could be enough what? I can deal with the time traveling quests in the game and the disguises, but nothing that permanently changes your race (at least until the next time your bored then you do it again) that is going overboard. Why it breaks lore is simple, in the lore only wood elves can change their race and only into monsters
So, one of the deities couldn't do it? Or say turn someone into a dog? One of them did give us werewolves. Maybe there are some wereArgonians out there?0 -
brandon✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.
Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.
Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.
Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.
Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!
I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.
You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.
A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.
You ate jumping to conclusions that may not be true. Even if we assume that everyone playing this game is playing because they loved the old TES games, it is not safe to assume that everyone playing the old TES games cares so much for lore. Example, me. I have been playing TES games since Morrowind. Love them. Im more interested in fun game play and mechanics then lore. Because as with any game book or movie series, lore is fluid. It remains the same, only until it changes. Heck lots of people even say the TES games only played for as long as they are because modders prop them up. Lots of those mods are not so lore friendly.
Mind telling me where I said every elder scrolls fan loves lore? I clearly said a lot of tes players, that doesn't mean all tes players. Yeah sure you have people who say that the reason tes games are played a lot is because of mods (it is true to an extent) I'm pretty sure that most tes players actually like the games for what they are and not what you can add to it. I also never said every person playing this game are tes players. Could you not put words in my mouth
Very well, in an attempt not to put words in your mouth, I still disagree with your a lot of TES players. I think a lot of TES players are more interested in a good game, with a good story, then if Billy could fly, because no one has flown in a TES game, before billy did. Before the hordes descend on me this is just an example, I really have no idea if any one has flown in a TES game. Just like I have no idea if anyone has ever changed shape in a TES game.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121539/do-you-care-about-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94597/would-you-be-willing-to-break-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125386/do-you-want-flying-mountsurl
Is that enough proof yet that the majority of eso players don't want the lore broken? This game only exists because of the tes franchise which has lore as one of its biggest parts and it would be stupid to mess with it. About people flying in lore, If you count levitation as flying then yes people have flown before.
No, but i applaud your enthusiasm.
In all honestly nothing I show you will be enough. You are blinded by what you want and just can't accept anything that goes against it. I will continue to say that it would be a terrible choice to add this to the game. Just continue being blinded now.
Actually there could be enough. But it really wont be a poll on a video game forum. And you are right, even if you did show me something that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that no one playing the game wanted to break lore, id still argue i want a race change, because quite honestly im not sure how it even breaks lore. So maybe if you could explain that to me id at least understand your side of the argument.
Could be enough what? I can deal with the time traveling quests in the game and the disguises, but nothing that permanently changes your race (at least until the next time your bored then you do it again) that is going overboard. Why it breaks lore is simple, in the lore only wood elves can change their race and only into monsters
So, one of the deities couldn't do it? Or say turn someone into a dog? One of them did give us werewolves. Maybe there are some wereArgonians out there?
If ZOS could find a ridiculously good (That doesn't mean some random made up on the spot reason for it) lore reason for It then I'd be ok with it, but honestly with thousands of players running around I doubt a deity would just change everyone who asks over and over and over again.0 -
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✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.
Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.
Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.
Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.
Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!
I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.
You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.
A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.
You ate jumping to conclusions that may not be true. Even if we assume that everyone playing this game is playing because they loved the old TES games, it is not safe to assume that everyone playing the old TES games cares so much for lore. Example, me. I have been playing TES games since Morrowind. Love them. Im more interested in fun game play and mechanics then lore. Because as with any game book or movie series, lore is fluid. It remains the same, only until it changes. Heck lots of people even say the TES games only played for as long as they are because modders prop them up. Lots of those mods are not so lore friendly.
Mind telling me where I said every elder scrolls fan loves lore? I clearly said a lot of tes players, that doesn't mean all tes players. Yeah sure you have people who say that the reason tes games are played a lot is because of mods (it is true to an extent) I'm pretty sure that most tes players actually like the games for what they are and not what you can add to it. I also never said every person playing this game are tes players. Could you not put words in my mouth
Very well, in an attempt not to put words in your mouth, I still disagree with your a lot of TES players. I think a lot of TES players are more interested in a good game, with a good story, then if Billy could fly, because no one has flown in a TES game, before billy did. Before the hordes descend on me this is just an example, I really have no idea if any one has flown in a TES game. Just like I have no idea if anyone has ever changed shape in a TES game.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121539/do-you-care-about-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94597/would-you-be-willing-to-break-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125386/do-you-want-flying-mountsurl
Is that enough proof yet that the majority of eso players don't want the lore broken? This game only exists because of the tes franchise which has lore as one of its biggest parts and it would be stupid to mess with it. About people flying in lore, If you count levitation as flying then yes people have flown before.
No, but i applaud your enthusiasm.
In all honestly nothing I show you will be enough. You are blinded by what you want and just can't accept anything that goes against it. I will continue to say that it would be a terrible choice to add this to the game. Just continue being blinded now.
Actually there could be enough. But it really wont be a poll on a video game forum. And you are right, even if you did show me something that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that no one playing the game wanted to break lore, id still argue i want a race change, because quite honestly im not sure how it even breaks lore. So maybe if you could explain that to me id at least understand your side of the argument.
Could be enough what? I can deal with the time traveling quests in the game and the disguises, but nothing that permanently changes your race (at least until the next time your bored then you do it again) that is going overboard. Why it breaks lore is simple, in the lore only wood elves can change their race and only into monsters
So, one of the deities couldn't do it? Or say turn someone into a dog? One of them did give us werewolves. Maybe there are some wereArgonians out there?
If ZOS could find a ridiculously good (That doesn't mean some random made up on the spot reason for it) lore reason for It then I'd be ok with it, but honestly with thousands of players running around I doubt a deity would just change everyone who asks over and over and over again.
Why? those thousands of players have at least 2 deities invested in our day to day lives. Even then i can think of one chucklehead deity that would actually find it pretty amusing to have everyone wake up a different race everyday.
Anywho, we don't agree, i don't see race changes as a big deal, you do. No biggie. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on lore and the like, not being a lore junkie most of it i don't know.Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on September 2, 2014 1:34PM0 -
brandon✭✭✭✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.
Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.
Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.
Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.
Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!
I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.
You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.
A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.
You ate jumping to conclusions that may not be true. Even if we assume that everyone playing this game is playing because they loved the old TES games, it is not safe to assume that everyone playing the old TES games cares so much for lore. Example, me. I have been playing TES games since Morrowind. Love them. Im more interested in fun game play and mechanics then lore. Because as with any game book or movie series, lore is fluid. It remains the same, only until it changes. Heck lots of people even say the TES games only played for as long as they are because modders prop them up. Lots of those mods are not so lore friendly.
Mind telling me where I said every elder scrolls fan loves lore? I clearly said a lot of tes players, that doesn't mean all tes players. Yeah sure you have people who say that the reason tes games are played a lot is because of mods (it is true to an extent) I'm pretty sure that most tes players actually like the games for what they are and not what you can add to it. I also never said every person playing this game are tes players. Could you not put words in my mouth
Very well, in an attempt not to put words in your mouth, I still disagree with your a lot of TES players. I think a lot of TES players are more interested in a good game, with a good story, then if Billy could fly, because no one has flown in a TES game, before billy did. Before the hordes descend on me this is just an example, I really have no idea if any one has flown in a TES game. Just like I have no idea if anyone has ever changed shape in a TES game.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121539/do-you-care-about-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/94597/would-you-be-willing-to-break-loreurl
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/125386/do-you-want-flying-mountsurl
Is that enough proof yet that the majority of eso players don't want the lore broken? This game only exists because of the tes franchise which has lore as one of its biggest parts and it would be stupid to mess with it. About people flying in lore, If you count levitation as flying then yes people have flown before.
No, but i applaud your enthusiasm.
In all honestly nothing I show you will be enough. You are blinded by what you want and just can't accept anything that goes against it. I will continue to say that it would be a terrible choice to add this to the game. Just continue being blinded now.
Actually there could be enough. But it really wont be a poll on a video game forum. And you are right, even if you did show me something that proved beyond a shadow of a doubt that no one playing the game wanted to break lore, id still argue i want a race change, because quite honestly im not sure how it even breaks lore. So maybe if you could explain that to me id at least understand your side of the argument.
Could be enough what? I can deal with the time traveling quests in the game and the disguises, but nothing that permanently changes your race (at least until the next time your bored then you do it again) that is going overboard. Why it breaks lore is simple, in the lore only wood elves can change their race and only into monsters
So, one of the deities couldn't do it? Or say turn someone into a dog? One of them did give us werewolves. Maybe there are some wereArgonians out there?
If ZOS could find a ridiculously good (That doesn't mean some random made up on the spot reason for it) lore reason for It then I'd be ok with it, but honestly with thousands of players running around I doubt a deity would just change everyone who asks over and over and over again.
Why? those thousands of players have at least 2 deities invested in our day to day lives. Even then i can think of one chucklehead deity that would actually find it pretty amusing to have everyone wake up a different race everyday.
Anywho, we don't agree, i don't see race changes as a big deal, you do. No biggie. Thanks for sharing your thoughts on lore and the like, not being a lore junkie most of it i don't know.
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✭MercyKilling wrote: »No. Just because you now want to change to some FotM race is no reason to waste developer time on this.
Race, class and sex are things you pick during character creation and simply should not be able to change. Especially on a whim. Otherwise, why pick them in the first place? Why not just have some amorphous, androgynous lump that has all class and race abilities?
More money means more developers on staff. More developers means more hours to burn down. More hours to burn down means more work gets done. More work getting done means more content and goodies. More content and goodies means more happy customers old and new. More happy customers old and new means a healthier game. A healthier game means more dev- oh wait... It's a cycle of awesomeness.
Not sure I get where you find the cons to this. Some games make more money off of services like this than they do sub fees.0 -
AoEnwyr✭✭✭✭I personally don't agree with this once you have reached vet level, if you weren't keen on your race you probably would have known well before then
A feature that was in Oblivion (I can't remember for Skyrim) was that after the "tutorial" and first hour? of gameplay before you entered the open world proper you were given the option to change you character and confirm if what you had chosen was what you wanted to play as.
Perhaps a similar feature at around level 5 where you could change if you really wanted might be more appropriate, or just re roll 0 -
Chuggernaut✭✭✭I'm against it, but if it was added I would hope it would be done similar to DDO, and force the player to find an item, take it to a dude that destroys the item and the player, and then the player is reborn at level 1, but slightly stronger than other level ones, but take more xp to level up.
For this game, the slightly stronger part could be allowing the player to keep xp in all skill lines that they previously unlocked and/or starting with X amount of skill/stat points.
In DDO it was nice because it gave you something to do when you where capped because post reincarnation, all quests where reset and doable again for full xp.My comrades have returned. I erect the spine of gratitude. You are a hero today. - Bura-Natoo1 -
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✭tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »When are you going to allows us to pay for race changes? If you can't answer that then answer this: Do you have any plants, at all, to implement it this year or the next? Just asking cause I really want to change the race of my vet characters, and willing to throw away my money at ya zos.
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I'd support a Race-change, although I'd have 0 personal benefit, because I informed myself so much, that I picked the right races. Concepts like permanent decisions are simply obsolete in MMOs imo, it's like being stuck behind a door with people arguing "well, you shouldn't have closed that door behind you without knowing if it would lock" .Noricum
Thx to Giny, Sarana, Thaili, Derra, Cherahim, Gloy, Raweelz and Drimacus, you make the game worth playing even with AoE-caps, no usefull progression past Assault / Support Rank 10, and with PvP being not even close to balanced.
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Sarenia✭✭✭✭✭I've never cared for race changing in games.
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✭MasterSpatula wrote: »Some choices should have binding consequences, and the race of your character is among them.
That's your opinion, good for you. But not with me and anyone else wanting spend excess cash to change their looks.0 -
MercyKilling✭✭✭✭✭Chuggernaut wrote: »force the player to find an item, take it to a dude that destroys the item and the player, and then the player is reborn at level 1, but slightly stronger than other level ones, but take more xp to level up.
This right here is the only acceptable way I'd take race changes. Want to change, fine. But you start all over again. That's the price for race changes. Not monetary price, time and investment price.
This way, it's not done on a whim or a drop of a hat.I am not spending a single penny on the game until changes are made to the game that I want to see.
1) Remove having to be in a guild to sell items to other players at a kiosk.
2) Cosmetic modding for armor and clothing.
3) Difficulty slider.
4) Fully customizable player housing that isn't tied to anything in the game other than having the correct resources and enough gold to build. Don't tie it to PvP, guild membership, or anything at all. Oh, make it instanced so as not to take up world map space, too. Zeni screwed this one up already.
Any /one/ of these things implemented would get me spending again, maybe even subbing.0 -
rotiferuk✭✭✭Using the console (PC version) in Skyrim allowed the player to change ALL aspects of their character at any time. So (IMHO) allowing it in ESO is in keeping with the the design concepts of the ES franchise. It would have to be done using real money and be relatively expensive to prevent abuse. BTW, I purchased a horse using cash rather than get one in-game, is this P2W? Is it lore breaking?Edited by rotiferuk on September 3, 2014 4:39AMEU Server.1 -
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✭Is it just me, or does every person arguing against a race change simply sound like a control freak?3 -
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✭✭milesrodneymcneely2_ESO wrote: »Is it just me, or does every person arguing against a race change simply sound like a control freak?
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Mondo✭✭✭✭No it is not just you ^^Im not the Hero you need, im the Troll you deserve!
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I read they have some very pretty chrysanthemums they intend to plant next spring.tordr86b16_ESO wrote: »Do you have any plants, at all, to implement it this year or the next?
As for race changes, only in the player has the Explorer's Pack only those with the Explorer's Pack have the ability to play any faction with any race so that at least should be kept as a unique perk if race change ever happens.
However, since in the absence of the EP race determines your faction this is an exploitable way to faction hop for PVP so I don't see this being acceptable at all unless you also have the EP, but I still argue against it.Edited by fromtesonlineb16_ESO on September 3, 2014 7:27AM1 -
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✭✭philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »Concepts like permanent decisions are simply obsolete in MMOs imo
That's the problem, permanent choices should exist.People believe what they either want to be true or what they are afraid is true!
Wizard's first rule
Passion rules reason
Wizard's third rule
Mind what people Do, not what they say, for actions betray a lie.
Wizard's fifth rule
Willfully turning aside from the truth is treason to one's self
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AlexDougherty wrote: »philip.ploegerb16_ESO wrote: »Concepts like permanent decisions are simply obsolete in MMOs imo
That's the problem, permanent choices should exist.
That's no problem, but simply my personal view. Reasoning for mine is, that permanent choices don't have to exist in games, because a permanent failure on one choice is a permanent hindrance of fun for as long as one plays that character.
In RL, such choices exist and one needs to live with them, but why should something preventing players from having fun be part of a game ?
Argument is also, that everybody paying for the race-respec, finances new content / bugfixes for the others.Noricum
Thx to Giny, Sarana, Thaili, Derra, Cherahim, Gloy, Raweelz and Drimacus, you make the game worth playing even with AoE-caps, no usefull progression past Assault / Support Rank 10, and with PvP being not even close to balanced.
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✭Can someone tell me how a race change will break YOUR immersion or lore? you would never know they changed race and it does not effect YOUR game play so my advice is to back off and let them have it. Its not as bad as the demand for a global AH and single player content >>. then again the people on here are the SAME people complaining about everything...so yea.IGN: Ki'rah
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✭While with my current knowledge of inner mechanics I would like to change my Khajiit Templar to Altmer, on the other hand I love the toon. No matter his inefficiencies on the pure magicka build compared to an Altmer.
Shame we do not have the option to change one passive at least on our race passives for better configuration. And given the state of Magicka - Stamina comparison, along with the nerf the Khajiit got for release, made them suitable only for Nightblades or Archers.Edited by p_tsakirisb16_ESO on September 3, 2014 1:17PM0 -
brandon✭✭✭✭Using the console (PC version) in Skyrim allowed the player to change ALL aspects of their character at any time. So (IMHO) allowing it in ESO is in keeping with the the design concepts of the ES franchise. It would have to be done using real money and be relatively expensive to prevent abuse. BTW, I purchased a horse using cash rather than get one in-game, is this P2W? Is it lore breaking?
That is completely different. In Skyrim it wasn't even an in-game way to change race it was using the console which are pretty much cheats to change race, eso isn't skyrim so it doesn't have a console to change race with. You can't use a cheat as a reason on why a mechanic should exist or not.0 -
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✭vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »Absolutely not! You do realize that it would be quicker to just make a new toon then it would be to wait for something that will never happen right? It breaks lore, makes it pay to win and in general is just a stupid design choice that sadly way to many mmos decide to implement.
Breaks lore? In two separate quest i can think of off the top of my head Razum-dar changes my race/sex and he ain't even a true mage. true they are just disguises but since i don't really care about the racials i only care about the look that is good enough for me. But still I'm sure ill hear more crying about how looking like something I'm not is now pay to win since people wont know what i am and that is a super secret advantage that destroys game balance.
Well I'm not sure what faction Razum dar is with, but if in fact like you said they are disguises then that wouldn't be breaking lore. Oh well if you don't like how your toon looks, you can see what they look like before making them, so if you don't like what they look like you shouldn't have chosen that race. Have you even played an elder scrolls game before this? If not then I don't think you have the right to want ZOS to break lore to suit you.
Well ignoring the fact that the game was bugged and some people actually couldn't tell all that well what they did look like, I actually like the way I look. But I'm bored with it. So I would like to be something else. Pretty simple really. Yes, yes, I know I could reroll to look like something else. But right now in the game there is one thing I consider more boring then always looking the same. And that is rerolling the same class just to do the same quest all over again.
Oh I know I could use a different play style.. Oh wait I've played most the play styles on my main already. Oh I know, I could do the other factions, no zeni made the craptastic decision to use that for the VR levels. What can I say, I'm a traitor to the cause. Lore is dead! Long live Lore!
I'll agree that at launch the game was bugged to hell, but you're kidding yourself if you're going to use that as some sort of excuse on why you picked what race you picked. Oh well if you're bored, there is a simple way to not be bored, unsub and come back at a later date. No one is forcing you to stay with a game you are bored with.
You are right. But let us ask some business type people. Should we add a service that people are willing to pay more money on, and may encourage them to stay longer and spend even more money on our product. Or should we just tell them to go away, and maybe come back later.
A lot of people came to this mmo because of previous elder scrolls games. If they *** on the lore of the other games to please the mmo players they will lose a lot more money then they would from people wanting a race change or being bored. I can't prove it, but i'll take a guess and say that the majority of people playing this are tes players, a lot of mmo players are probably sticking to WoW or some other game they have spent a lot of time in. Lore is the most important thing for a lot of elder scrolls players and it would be a huge mistake to mess with it.
Very true, the main reason I play TES / ESO games is because of the lore. Cash shops are evil! Our sub should be paying for ALL content! Also, changing race is more then "cosmetic" Where do people come up with a silly idea like "change race?" That is why your 8 char slots are for and alts too.2
