Any Way for Existing Customers to get the Whiterun Wolfhound?

JKorr

Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

Yeah, I'd be perfectly willing to buy the dog through the store for anywhere up to $10.

Yeah, and if they do that guess what people will say? OMG WHaaaaaaa! ESO IS A CASH SHOP RIPOFF! ESO IS PAY TO WIN! ESO ATE MY BABY! Just look at this thread and imagine the rage if they offer "paying" customers something in the shop that others got for free? It might cause a thermonuclear Internet meltdown.

Honestly, these companies should just stop offering "exclusive" perks to anyone. Give discounts on price or something but don't ever offer any in-game excluslive to anyone that everyone can't also have. Problem solved.

I doubt anyone would say those things

I don't.

People were saying stuff like that before the game was released. One poster, after a few dozen pages of elaborate reasoning why ESO was going to be buy to play, posted the day they announced the sub plan, immediately shifted to a cash shop pay to win free to play rant.

After all the ranting about the incentive white imperial edition horse, they offered a palomino horse. Didn't stop the ranting, but some players did get a nice beige colored horse that's different from the others. So now there's a brown dog that will be available at some point.

About the only thing I'd be annoyed at would be if they added the *real* senche and senche-raht to the game with the possibility of using them as a "battle-cat". [If you read the description of the senche/senche-raht, they aren't the same as the ones in the game. The ones in the game fit the description of pahmar/pahmar-raht; they look like tigers.]

Mr.Turtlesworth

JKorr wrote: »

Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

Yeah, I'd be perfectly willing to buy the dog through the store for anywhere up to $10.

Yeah, and if they do that guess what people will say? OMG WHaaaaaaa! ESO IS A CASH SHOP RIPOFF! ESO IS PAY TO WIN! ESO ATE MY BABY! Just look at this thread and imagine the rage if they offer "paying" customers something in the shop that others got for free? It might cause a thermonuclear Internet meltdown.

Honestly, these companies should just stop offering "exclusive" perks to anyone. Give discounts on price or something but don't ever offer any in-game excluslive to anyone that everyone can't also have. Problem solved.

I doubt anyone would say those things

I don't.

People were saying stuff like that before the game was released. One poster, after a few dozen pages of elaborate reasoning why ESO was going to be buy to play, posted the day they announced the sub plan, immediately shifted to a cash shop pay to win free to play rant.

After all the ranting about the incentive white imperial edition horse, they offered a palomino horse. Didn't stop the ranting, but some players did get a nice beige colored horse that's different from the others. So now there's a brown dog that will be available at some point.

About the only thing I'd be annoyed at would be if they added the *real* senche and senche-raht to the game with the possibility of using them as a "battle-cat". [If you read the description of the senche/senche-raht, they aren't the same as the ones in the game. The ones in the game fit the description of pahmar/pahmar-raht; they look like tigers.]

Well I wouldn't mind paying for it... I guess some might complain but It wouldn't be as much as not getting it at all.

Miflett

I'm all for paying people for the extra work they put into something, but exclusives that people playing your game from the start can't get is just a sucky thing to do.

SgtPepperUK

Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »

Well I wouldn't mind paying for it... I guess some might complain but It wouldn't be as much as not getting it at all.

I'm honestly in two minds because I could really argue that we've already paid for it, in a F2P MMO it would be different but when we're paying each month that really should cover things like this.

Not so long ago a subscription based game with a cash shop was considered stepping over a line and double-dipping, with most people being of the opinion that you either charge a subscription or be F2P with a cash shop.

Seems we've not just given up on that but are starting to actively demand that companies charge us more.

Lyrro

Not so long ago a subscription based game with a cash shop was considered stepping over a line and double-dipping, with most people being of the opinion that you either charge a subscription or be F2P with a cash shop.

There's a reason Zenimax is doing both, it's because despite the "popularity" of the game, ESO is still sinking. People feel comfortable with it because they constantly encounter other players, not really considering that there is only one server. You don't find it even remotely curious that Zenimax absolutely refuses to show their numbers as far as sales and current subscriptions while most would be posting their numbers in huge, glittery letters and using them as a means to draw in more players. Zenimax needs the money from the cash shop because they don't have enough subscriptions to meet their expectations and suckers like myself are willing to pay extra if it means getting a vanity item and supporting the game companies I promote. Zenimax... is not one of those companies anymore, though I might still buy the brown dog just so I have a dog in game because I'm a really big dog person.

People can quote the whole "770k subscriptions" article all they want, but even those guys refuse to give an answer as to where they got their numbers. For all you know they were either payed to support Zenimax or they pulled the number out of their hats.

I honestly suspect that Zenimax did have a prepared answer for this whole debate, because I don't know anyone who would make it through business school and be stupid enough to do something like this. My honest opinion is that they needed the sale enough that they were willing to risk royally pissing off a huge chunk of their supportive player base if it meant they could reel in a few extra players. There's only one reason you make a marketing decision that you know will likely cost you the support of many of the players who have stood by you until now, and that's desperation.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Lyrro wrote: »

Not so long ago a subscription based game with a cash shop was considered stepping over a line and double-dipping, with most people being of the opinion that you either charge a subscription or be F2P with a cash shop.

There's a reason Zenimax is doing both, it's because despite the "popularity" of the game, ESO is still sinking. People feel comfortable with it because they constantly encounter other players, not really considering that there is only one server. You don't find it even remotely curious that Zenimax absolutely refuses to show their numbers as far as sales and current subscriptions while most would be posting their numbers in huge, glittery letters and using them as a means to draw in more players. Zenimax needs the money from the cash shop because they don't have enough subscriptions to meet their expectations and suckers like myself are willing to pay extra if it means getting a vanity item and supporting the game companies I promote. Zenimax... is not one of those companies anymore, though I might still buy the brown dog just so I have a dog in game because I'm a really big dog person.

People can quote the whole "770k subscriptions" article all they want, but even those guys refuse to give an answer as to where they got their numbers. For all you know they were either payed to support Zenimax or they pulled the number out of their hats.

I honestly suspect that Zenimax did have a prepared answer for this whole debate, because I don't know anyone who would make it through business school and be stupid enough to do something like this. My honest opinion is that they needed the sale enough that they were willing to risk royally pissing off a huge chunk of their supportive player base if it meant they could reel in a few extra players. There's only one reason you make a marketing decision that you know will likely cost you the support of many of the players who have stood by you until now, and that's desperation.

Yea ESO ate my baby too.

EQBallzz

The funny thing is that sub games have been doing exclusive content that isn't available to everyone all along so this is nothing new. EQ had all kinds of special items that were unique to servers or unique across servers or Artifacts from a single event (that never happened again). There might have been some mild groaning but nobody flipped out back then that I'm aware of. Keep in mind some of these items were insanely powerful..not vanity pets that have no use at all.

The items in question now are not even nearly that "exclusive" and yet people freak out. Exclusive items now are a way to draw people into the game and hopefully keep the population growing but people seem quite short-sighted about it.

I really blame all this on F2P games. It's only been since F2P that there is this mentality of entitlement out there. It might be a case of "correlation does not imply causation" but it seems likely enough.

Lyrro

For me, the problem isn't the exclusive content, it's the fact that I was told there would be no exclusive content and now I'm being told I'll never get Steam integration or a pet because they're exclusive to new players.

@smeeprocketnub19_ESO if your parenting skills are on par with your debating skills, that's probably a good thing.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Lyrro wrote: »

For me, the problem isn't the exclusive content, it's the fact that I was told there would be no exclusive content and now I'm being told I'll never get Steam integration or a pet because they're exclusive to new players.

@smeeprocketnub19_ESO if your parenting skills are on par with your debating skills, that's probably a good thing.

I might be offended if that wasn't coming for you and if I didn't despise children.

Evergnar

And to think all Zos had to do was give some other dog or stupid pet to existing players (earned or not) and there never would have been an uproar. How hard could it be. I'll never be able to figure out the logic nor judgement of this company.

Lyrro

And steam access, you guys keep forgetting that a lot of people are interested purely in the steam interface that new players have access to which veteran players have been told they never will.

If I intended for it to be offensive, Smeep, I would've been, lol. You make a bad joke about something I say, I make a bad joke in return :P

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

Evergnar wrote: »

And to think all Zos had to do was give some other dog or stupid pet to existing players (earned or not) and there never would have been an uproar. How hard could it be. I'll never be able to figure out the logic nor judgement of this company.

They did, do none of you people read? There will be another dog soon at some point, it will be a different color.

SFBryan18

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Evergnar wrote: »

And to think all Zos had to do was give some other dog or stupid pet to existing players (earned or not) and there never would have been an uproar. How hard could it be. I'll never be able to figure out the logic nor judgement of this company.

They did, do none of you people read? There will be another dog soon at some point, it will be a different color.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia3CTMntckk

txfeinbergsub17_ESO

Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »

EQBallzz wrote: »

emeraldbay wrote: »

Yeah, I'd be perfectly willing to buy the dog through the store for anywhere up to $10.

Yeah, and if they do that guess what people will say? OMG WHaaaaaaa! ESO IS A CASH SHOP RIPOFF! ESO IS PAY TO WIN! ESO ATE MY BABY! Just look at this thread and imagine the rage if they offer "paying" customers something in the shop that others got for free? It might cause a thermonuclear Internet meltdown.

Honestly, these companies should just stop offering "exclusive" perks to anyone. Give discounts on price or something but don't ever offer any in-game excluslive to anyone that everyone can't also have. Problem solved.

I doubt anyone would say those things

You are kidding right? I know for a fact they would say these things. Just look at previous posts in this thread.

randolphbenoit

Just wish ZEN/ZoS would come to this thread and explain WHY they do this to loyal players? AND can long time subs get a GREY WOLF before someone decides PS4/xBox1 will get, starting this problem all over again...

Grim13

Where's my doge!?

AngryNord

Grim13 wrote: »

Where's my doge!?

In Venice? :P

SirAndy

Why won't this thread die?

Back on topic, just as i predicted, the banks have now turned into a dog barking animal shelter from hell.

bark ... bark bark bark ... yap yap yap ... bark bark bark ... yap yap yap ...

emeraldbay

SirAndy wrote: »

Why won't this thread die?

The thread won't die until we get our dog! I will personally revive the thread every day if that's what it takes.

Tremulous

x.x
Why do people qq about pets? Their useless and take up precious slot space. Plus ZOS has already stated a dog pet will be added in sometime later. In any case if you're buying this game for a pet, I think you're playing this game for the wrong reasons.

randolphbenoit

its the principal, If we wanted a cool dog from the begining and they turn around and give to steam what stopping them from giving the next cool pet like a wolf to another promotion like PS4/xBox1?

randolphbenoit

Ok how about renaming it Barbas and let us get one!

Mr.Turtlesworth

FOR THE REVOLUTION!

SFBryan18

randolphbenoit wrote: »

its the principal, If we wanted a cool dog from the begining and they turn around and give to steam what stopping them from giving the next cool pet like a wolf to another promotion like PS4/xBox1?

They probably will.

riverdragon72

First thing I did was throw my "pets" in the trash... Senche tiger or nothing at all.

Miflett

randolphbenoit wrote: »

its the principal, If we wanted a cool dog from the begining and they turn around and give to steam what stopping them from giving the next cool pet like a wolf to another promotion like PS4/xBox1?

I don't mind when consoles get a little special things IF the platform has to be segregated from PC. As long as we aren't giving preferential treatment to certain owners of a copy than someone else with a same copy. IE: two pc players, one newer than the first.

That's my opinion, though, and I can fully see why exclusives in general just suck and are unnecessary most of the time.

Karnus

Grim13 wrote: »

Where's my doge!?

You must be out of Stamina.

fauqur

Miflett wrote: »

randolphbenoit wrote: »

its the principal, If we wanted a cool dog from the begining and they turn around and give to steam what stopping them from giving the next cool pet like a wolf to another promotion like PS4/xBox1?

I don't mind when consoles get a little special things IF the platform has to be segregated from PC. As long as we aren't giving preferential treatment to certain owners of a copy than someone else with a same copy. IE: two pc players, one newer than the first.

It is a fair point the consoles players will never be on the pc servers as it stands now. Might as well let them be, but the same debate will pop up if they give them something unique all the same.

Gamers, especially TES ones, just love collecting rare/unique stuff. Myself included; I do not like guars and I do not want a stuffed one, but a part of me wants the digital content even if it is just a wasted inventory slot on one of my builds.

I feel like Pre-Order/Deluxe edition of any game should be the same as a "Season Pass" to all new content. Too many game makers are milking people for little add-on packs that probably should have just come with the game at release.

In the case of ESO as a player who Pre-Ordered the Imperial edition directly from elderscrollsonline.com I would like the option to get any new content without hoops or fees. I think I have proving my customer and gamer loyalty plenty at this point.

If they have to make it exclusive they already have two levels of game editions and they can always hold back from the standard edition owners to encourage the imperial upgrade.

TGiordano92

fauqur wrote: »

As a separate point. I do not believe the Spider[full time] or Monkey[open stress test] pets should be put up for sale at any time. They were for the 2 levels of beta testers only and that is not something you can pay for. Nor should people who did not patiently survive the stress tests get access to them. Trust me, we earned it.

The imp edition pets come with Imp edition, as it is still available no issue there.

So the Guar and Wolfhound are the only ones up for sale. Let us be real if you buy the guar you get the guar pet, not very exclusive. This whole thread is about the steam wolfhound and discount.

There is no other spider.
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/discussion/121988/tarantula-pet#latest

Nox_Aeterna

fauqur wrote: »

Miflett wrote: »

randolphbenoit wrote: »

its the principal, If we wanted a cool dog from the begining and they turn around and give to steam what stopping them from giving the next cool pet like a wolf to another promotion like PS4/xBox1?

I don't mind when consoles get a little special things IF the platform has to be segregated from PC. As long as we aren't giving preferential treatment to certain owners of a copy than someone else with a same copy. IE: two pc players, one newer than the first.

It is a fair point the consoles players will never be on the pc servers as it stands now. Might as well let them be, but the same debate will pop up if they give them something unique all the same.

Gamers, especially TES ones, just love collecting rare/unique stuff. Myself included; I do not like guars and I do not want a stuffed one, but a part of me wants the digital content even if it is just a wasted inventory slot on one of my builds.

I feel like Pre-Order/Deluxe edition of any game should be the same as a "Season Pass" to all new content. Too many game makers are milking people for little add-on packs that probably should have just come with the game at release.

In the case of ESO as a player who Pre-Ordered the Imperial edition directly from elderscrollsonline.com I would like the option to get any new content without hoops or fees. I think I have proving my customer and gamer loyalty plenty at this point.

If they have to make it exclusive they already have two levels of game editions and they can always hold back from the standard edition owners to encourage the imperial upgrade.

A resonable way of thinking reason so many seem surprised and are annoyed about this.

I honestly dont think the dog got them more sales than just selling the normal game with the 50% would.

Considering how easy it is to make people avoid buying the game now , i wonder if they had given the dog to the current players instead and showed they care about their current players instead of only getting new ones would have been a better call.