Any Way for Existing Customers to get the Whiterun Wolfhound?

Baragorath

Dear SFBryan18SFBryan18 ✭✭✭✭✭

Everyone is able to estaminate how much money they earn.

Here you have:

750.000 subs x 15 EUR = 11.250.000 EUR monthly

If you remove salary for employees and regular maintain ESO costs you will realize that this keeps game on the limit to not go F2P as many awaits ;D

Everyone must be important and not only fresh players as what was easy earned can be lost very fast twice.

Must be Loyalty Program in this game as many of us here wish this game never go F2P

PS.
Thx Mitharus I lost one zero

Nox_Aeterna

Baragorath wrote: »

Dear SFBryan18SFBryan18 ✭✭✭✭✭

Everyone is able to estaminate how much money they earn.

Here you have:

750.000 subs x 15 EUR = 1.125.000 EUR monthly

If you remove salary for employees and regular maintain ESO costs you will realize that this keeps game on the limit to not go F2P.

Everyone must be important and not only fresh players as what was easy earned can be lost very fast twice.

Must be Loyalty Program in this game as many of us here wish this game never go F2P.

If they have given the dog to the current players instead , maybe they would have actually gotten more sales actually.

The face people make when i tell them the game releases content only for new players even being sub based is priceless :P.

Until now , the response after that is always something similar to "Hell , i will never buy this game".

AlienSlof

I'd like a cat pet please!

AngryNord

AlienSlof wrote: »

I'd like a cat pet please!

Group up with a Khajiit? :P

Soulharvester

I and probably many others have mentioned about the ability to have a pet like a dog in feedback.

In my opinion, they need to give that to rest of the people who originally purchased the imperial edition...

A pet that I am pretty sure most of us, minus argonians would much rather have out...

Now calling a sale by a different name, such as <whatever> edition, and making it a new edition, not copying an old one. Thats different. Cant complain about that..

Why add to an existing bundle in the first place.

Would of been better to just reward everyone who is subscribed for 3 months a special reward. Hmm I dont know, maybe a Dog? or a cat thing...

Some games, use a subscribed time system to reward players.
Its a bundle type reward, they get xp potions, bound account items like a constant teleporter that can be placed in a guild hall or home, etc. Nothing imbalancing, just neutral stuff that might make digital life a little easier or fancier whatever...

I want my dog! Thats my rant... I dont want excuses!

txfeinbergsub17_ESO

Miflett wrote: »

Well, this video just popped up in my subscription feed. Its kinda interesting, and I feel resounds well with gaming as a whole now.

http://youtu.be/ecH4DZmsYH8

Skip to 5m 24s in, because linking doesn't appear to work with timestamps.

That was incredibly stupid. Can I have my 5 minutes back please. (and yes, I will admit that I clicked on it because she was cute, but that wore off really quickly)

txfeinbergsub17_ESO

Iduna1453 wrote: »

Lyrro has summed up the issue very well so I shan't add to it only to say that this never should have been an issue. Instead of creating goodwill it has only served to anger people needlessly.

.... only shallow people that have to have a DOG!.... NOW!!!!

txfeinbergsub17_ESO

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Baragorath wrote: »

Dear SFBryan18SFBryan18 ✭✭✭✭✭

Everyone is able to estaminate how much money they earn.

Here you have:

750.000 subs x 15 EUR = 1.125.000 EUR monthly

If you remove salary for employees and regular maintain ESO costs you will realize that this keeps game on the limit to not go F2P.

Everyone must be important and not only fresh players as what was easy earned can be lost very fast twice.

Must be Loyalty Program in this game as many of us here wish this game never go F2P.

The face people make when i tell them the game releases content only for new players even being sub based is priceless :P.

Until now , the response after that is always something similar to "Hell , i will never buy this game".

Which of course is a complete lie. Really, it was a dog, but you make it sound like it is everything. Way to screw your own game if that is what you are telling people.

Thechemicals

I dont see how this matters. The dog is nice, i wish i had one....but i do not. Is the issue here that they should give me one because i had already paid for game and im subscribed and i deserve one? Sounds silly to me, like entitlement and selfimportance merged together to make a martha stewart monster.

Nox_Aeterna

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Baragorath wrote: »

Dear SFBryan18SFBryan18 ✭✭✭✭✭

Everyone is able to estaminate how much money they earn.

Here you have:

750.000 subs x 15 EUR = 1.125.000 EUR monthly

If you remove salary for employees and regular maintain ESO costs you will realize that this keeps game on the limit to not go F2P.

Everyone must be important and not only fresh players as what was easy earned can be lost very fast twice.

Must be Loyalty Program in this game as many of us here wish this game never go F2P.

The face people make when i tell them the game releases content only for new players even being sub based is priceless :P.

Until now , the response after that is always something similar to "Hell , i will never buy this game".

Which of course is a complete lie. Really, it was a dog, but you make it sound like it is everything. Way to screw your own game if that is what you are telling people.

Nope , it is true.

This is not even a matter of opinion really , a vanity item is part of the content of the game. It only exists inside this game , it is part of its code...

You can argue that it is not relevant content to you , but not that something that belongs inside the game is not part of its content no matter how small or insignificant it is.

Usually i dont even need to especify what , it is enough to tell people that , still , even when i do tell them what it is , when a person understand that could only be beginning of them giving much more later , they also say they will never buy it.

SgtPepperUK

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Inco wrote: »

Well.. I guess ZOS is just determined to make this game go free to play.. LOL

They pretty much will have to as they won't have any money left after catering to all of the people with their hands out asking for free stuff.

I don't think anyone has their hand out asking for free stuff considering they a) bought the game and b) are paying a subscription each month.

I mean, would you suggest we should have been charged for, let's say, Craglorn? After all, I can pretty much guarantee the development of that took a hell of a lot more time and investment than creating the Whiterun Wolfhound.

SgtPepperUK

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Miflett wrote: »

Well, this video just popped up in my subscription feed. Its kinda interesting, and I feel resounds well with gaming as a whole now.

http://youtu.be/ecH4DZmsYH8

Skip to 5m 24s in, because linking doesn't appear to work with timestamps.

That was incredibly stupid. Can I have my 5 minutes back please. (and yes, I will admit that I clicked on it because she was cute, but that wore off really quickly)

To be fair trying to make real life analogies with videogames is always somewhat fraught with difficulties, I generally try to avoid doing so myself for that very reason.

That said, the basic premise of her argument wasn't wrong in my opinion, just a little clumsily presented.

txfeinbergsub17_ESO

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Baragorath wrote: »

Dear SFBryan18SFBryan18 ✭✭✭✭✭

Everyone is able to estaminate how much money they earn.

Here you have:

750.000 subs x 15 EUR = 1.125.000 EUR monthly

If you remove salary for employees and regular maintain ESO costs you will realize that this keeps game on the limit to not go F2P.

Everyone must be important and not only fresh players as what was easy earned can be lost very fast twice.

Must be Loyalty Program in this game as many of us here wish this game never go F2P.

The face people make when i tell them the game releases content only for new players even being sub based is priceless :P.

Until now , the response after that is always something similar to "Hell , i will never buy this game".

Which of course is a complete lie. Really, it was a dog, but you make it sound like it is everything. Way to screw your own game if that is what you are telling people.

Nope , it is true.

This is not even a matter of opinion really , a vanity item is part of the content of the game. It only exists inside this game , it is part of its code...

You can argue that it is not relevant content to you , but not that something that belongs inside the game is not part of its content no matter how small or insignificant it is.

Usually i dont even need to especify what , it is enough to tell people that , still , even when i do tell them what it is , when a person understand that could only be beginning of them giving much more later , they also say they will never buy it.

It may be "true" by your definition, but it is a gross exaggeration and you can't predict the future. If a person wasn't going to buy the game over this, then they weren't going to buy it anyway. It is the same thing as the faux claims that someone won't shop at Hobby Lobby anymore because they disagreed with the recent supreme court ruling. Either they never shopped there to begin with, or they will be back within a few weeks.

txfeinbergsub17_ESO

SgtPepperUK wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Inco wrote: »

Well.. I guess ZOS is just determined to make this game go free to play.. LOL

They pretty much will have to as they won't have any money left after catering to all of the people with their hands out asking for free stuff.

I don't think anyone has their hand out asking for free stuff considering they a) bought the game and b) are paying a subscription each month.

I mean, would you suggest we should have been charged for, let's say, Craglorn? After all, I can pretty much guarantee the development of that took a hell of a lot more time and investment than creating the Whiterun Wolfhound.

They absolutely do have their hand out asking for free stuff. They were not entitled to the promotional trinket for steam no matter what anyone argues.

Nox_Aeterna

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

Baragorath wrote: »

Dear SFBryan18SFBryan18 ✭✭✭✭✭

Everyone is able to estaminate how much money they earn.

Here you have:

750.000 subs x 15 EUR = 1.125.000 EUR monthly

If you remove salary for employees and regular maintain ESO costs you will realize that this keeps game on the limit to not go F2P.

Everyone must be important and not only fresh players as what was easy earned can be lost very fast twice.

Must be Loyalty Program in this game as many of us here wish this game never go F2P.

The face people make when i tell them the game releases content only for new players even being sub based is priceless :P.

Until now , the response after that is always something similar to "Hell , i will never buy this game".

Which of course is a complete lie. Really, it was a dog, but you make it sound like it is everything. Way to screw your own game if that is what you are telling people.

Nope , it is true.

This is not even a matter of opinion really , a vanity item is part of the content of the game. It only exists inside this game , it is part of its code...

You can argue that it is not relevant content to you , but not that something that belongs inside the game is not part of its content no matter how small or insignificant it is.

Usually i dont even need to especify what , it is enough to tell people that , still , even when i do tell them what it is , when a person understand that could only be beginning of them giving much more later , they also say they will never buy it.

It may be "true" by your definition, but it is a gross exaggeration and you can't predict the future. If a person wasn't going to buy the game over this, then they weren't going to buy it anyway. It is the same thing as the faux claims that someone won't shop at Hobby Lobby anymore because they disagreed with the recent supreme court ruling. Either they never shopped there to begin with, or they will be back within a few weeks.

Well , ofc , i cant be sure they will not eventually in the future take another look into the game , i will admit , using the word "never" even when others say it , is an exageration. We cant like you said predict the future.

With that being said , personally , i think you are underestimating the power this idea. To me atleast the notion that a company would launch items only for new players is something quite annoying.

Im sure that , while many are like you and dont care so much about it , many are also like me and dont receive this news well and ofc many have tons of other possible opinions on the matter.

SgtPepperUK

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

SgtPepperUK wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Inco wrote: »

Well.. I guess ZOS is just determined to make this game go free to play.. LOL

They pretty much will have to as they won't have any money left after catering to all of the people with their hands out asking for free stuff.

I don't think anyone has their hand out asking for free stuff considering they a) bought the game and b) are paying a subscription each month.

I mean, would you suggest we should have been charged for, let's say, Craglorn? After all, I can pretty much guarantee the development of that took a hell of a lot more time and investment than creating the Whiterun Wolfhound.

They absolutely do have their hand out asking for free stuff. They were not entitled to the promotional trinket for steam no matter what anyone argues.

Again, people paid for the game and are paying a subscription. If this was a F2P game I could understand your argument, hell, I might even support it but this is a subscription game.

Mitharus

Baragorath wrote: »

Here you have:

750.000 subs x 15 EUR = 1.125.000 EUR monthly

Your math is off. It's not 75,000.

$ perl -le 'print 75000*15.00; print 750000*15.00;'
1125000
11250000

-M

Edit: Hrmm... Okay, okay... Math isn't off, but you seem to be missing a zero at the end of your total there.

Holycannoli

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

They absolutely do have their hand out asking for free stuff. They were not entitled to the promotional trinket for steam no matter what anyone argues.

The point is there shouldn't be a promotional trinket exclusively for new Steam players. That's the issue here. It's the fact that it's exclusive to new players only, and that rubs current players the wrong way. I'll link this again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIDaEWwjcC8

"Even kids know it's wrong to treat new friends better than old friends"

Like I said earlier it's often the case that some content or items are exclusive to old players, like Everquest's mananstone and thex dagger which were removed from the game but any that players already obtained were kept, or trinkets given out to beta testers. New players usually (but not always) accept it. They weren't around for them and they understand that.

But to make trinkets exclusive to new players only? Who does that? I've never heard of such a thing until now. In every case where something was available to new players but old players missed out on there was a way for old players to obtain it. Take STO's unique bridge officer added to the revamped Fed tutorial. At first old players couldn't obtain it because they already did the old tutorial, but very soon the BO was made available through an NPC. Doesn't matter that the BO may not be worth using, it's the fact that they knew it was wrong to make it exclusive to new players (or characters).

tl;dr: It's usually OK to make content exclusive to old players, but it's never OK to make content exclusive to new players.

Mr.Turtlesworth

Holycannoli wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

They absolutely do have their hand out asking for free stuff. They were not entitled to the promotional trinket for steam no matter what anyone argues.

The point is there shouldn't be a promotional trinket exclusively for new Steam players. That's the issue here. It's the fact that it's exclusive to new players only, and that rubs current players the wrong way. I'll link this again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIDaEWwjcC8

"Even kids know it's wrong to treat new friends better than old friends"

Like I said earlier it's often the case that some content or items are exclusive to old players, like Everquest's mananstone and thex dagger which were removed from the game but any that players already obtained were kept, or trinkets given out to beta testers. New players usually (but not always) accept it. They weren't around for them and they understand that.

But to make trinkets exclusive to new players only? Who does that? I've never heard of such a thing until now. In every case where something was available to new players but old players missed out on there was a way for old players to obtain it. Take STO's unique bridge officer added to the revamped Fed tutorial. At first old players couldn't obtain it because they already did the old tutorial, but very soon the BO was made available through an NPC. Doesn't matter that the BO may not be worth using, it's the fact that they knew it was wrong to make it exclusive to new players (or characters).

tl;dr: It's usually OK to make content exclusive to old players, but it's never OK to make content exclusive to new players.

LOL THATS A PERFECT VIDEO FOR THIS

txfeinbergsub17_ESO

Holycannoli wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

They absolutely do have their hand out asking for free stuff. They were not entitled to the promotional trinket for steam no matter what anyone argues.

The point is there shouldn't be a promotional trinket exclusively for new Steam players. That's the issue here. It's the fact that it's exclusive to new players only, and that rubs current players the wrong way. I'll link this again:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIDaEWwjcC8

"Even kids know it's wrong to treat new friends better than old friends"

Like I said earlier it's often the case that some content or items are exclusive to old players, like Everquest's mananstone and thex dagger which were removed from the game but any that players already obtained were kept, or trinkets given out to beta testers. New players usually (but not always) accept it. They weren't around for them and they understand that.

But to make trinkets exclusive to new players only? Who does that? I've never heard of such a thing until now. In every case where something was available to new players but old players missed out on there was a way for old players to obtain it. Take STO's unique bridge officer added to the revamped Fed tutorial. At first old players couldn't obtain it because they already did the old tutorial, but very soon the BO was made available through an NPC. Doesn't matter that the BO may not be worth using, it's the fact that they knew it was wrong to make it exclusive to new players (or characters).

tl;dr: It's usually OK to make content exclusive to old players, but it's never OK to make content exclusive to new players.

Let's be honest about that video. The reason the bank went with that video is because the "norm" was actually the opposite so they found a niche to exploit. Lots of banks offer perks to bring in new customers like a free $100 for opening an account, (and in the old days, a free toaster or microwave oven).

So in truth, your video is actually working against you in showing that just one bank out of the several of thousands thought it was a unique idea to exploit.

Nice try though.

KingRebz

pet dragon plez..LOOOOOL

txfeinbergsub17_ESO

You know else is funny about that video. The kid who didn't get the ice cream acted like more of an adult than most of the people on this forum when they weren't going to get a virtual dog. Most of the people whining about this went into full blown temper tantrum mode with arms and legs flying through the air.

So what does that say about your video compared to this forum?

Miflett

I guess the things that got my alarm bells ringing was not all this stuff in separate; I'd probably be able to deal with it, begrudgingly, if that was the case.

But rather, all this 'exclusive' 'content' has been released in under one week:

- Steam Integration (including: Steam cards, community, and badge)
- Vanity White Wolfhound*
- Vanity Guar**
- Vanity Bristlegut Piglet**

*Time limited offer, new accounts only.
**Can be purchased, or received from 'friend'.

And here we have a list of what new accounts cannot get access to in one form or another:

-

ThisOnePosts

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

The wolfhound vanity pet is a limited-time bonus available only to those who buy the Imperial Edition of The Elder Scrolls Online through Steam.

It doesn't matter to me either way to be perfectly honest, but apparently it does to a lot of people. It's never good to offer some exclusive in-game item bonus to get sign-ups while not offering it to loyal customers. Send that one up the ranks to whomever makes those decisions.

ThisOnePosts

kieso wrote: »

we want doggy!

I can help, but ladies only..send pics first thanks.

SgtPepperUK

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

You know else is funny about that video. The kid who didn't get the ice cream acted like more of an adult than most of the people on this forum when they weren't going to get a virtual dog. Most of the people whining about this went into full blown temper tantrum mode with arms and legs flying through the air.

So what does that say about your video compared to this forum?

Well, I hope *I hope* that my comments on the matter have been pretty well reasoned and thought out.

That said, I can understand why some people have been rather emotional about the matter - they feel let down and when people feel let down they lash out. They simply want to let their feelings be known.

Part of the reason I started to post on this matter was because I felt a genuine grievance was being lost in all the noise.

I do think, no two ways about it, that ZOS handled this badly. As I've said, I want ESO to succeed and I want it to do so with a subscription model.

But for a subscription model to succeed in the current climate a company has to go that extra mile. There are too many other MMOs and several alternative payment models these days to take subscribers for granted, which really is what ZOS have done with the Steam release.

CrushiiX

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

Every game in the history of ever has done limited time and exclusive offers. Just because you don't like your exclusive monkey doesn't mean you are entitled to someone else's exclusive wolfhound.

It is different, because even if you buy the steam version you cannot get the pig on your main account = idiotic.

smeeprocketnub19_ESO

how is this still being debated?

It really blows my mind. It's a virtual pet. You are not entitled to every stupid promotional vanity item they release. It has no effect on your gameplay. For the love of god, they even folded and offered to provide a brown dog at a later date, and you are still crying and stomping your feet.

There is just no reasoning with some people.Logic is lost here.

CrushiiX

smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »

how is this still being debated?

It really blows my mind. It's a virtual pet. You are not entitled to every stupid promotional vanity item they release. It has no effect on your gameplay. For the love of god, they even folded and offered to provide a brown dog at a later date, and you are still crying and stomping your feet.

There is just no reasoning with some people.Logic is lost here.

It does hinder some peoples game play, when they are collectors and have participated in beta etc. and expect to be able to collect every pet in the game if they have an opportunity to do so. The only option to get this pet is to start completely over. It may not make sense to you but, a lot of people feel this way.

Laerania_ESO

The difference is that the pig is technically available for old accounts and the white dog is not.

I agree with Nox over there, this situation is telling new players that they will be trashed like us in the future.