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Any Way for Existing Customers to get the Whiterun Wolfhound?
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✭txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »This whole argument could be thrown in with the QQ from people who were not in beta wanting the pet monkey too. Put them both in game, the new steam-hound and the monkey and watch what happens then... some people seem to just never be happy....
.... and this is the monster that ZoS has created. I am sitting back and laughing at this point.
It is laughable... if it were not so pathetic. I have been around since beta and I am not flipping out about not getting a dog pet right now but that is just me. If ppl want to *** about this they will. ZoS knows what they need to do... to quote them from Quakecon: "it's just a matter of when" - aphilosophy they seem to apply to a lot of stuff in the game, lol....0 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yea the last part completely nullified any point you might have made. Especially considering that person had to argue the whole thing in the ground and insisted on getting the last word.
LolA promotional vanity pet is not content, no matter how you try to spin it.
The definition of content.You have yet to provide facts that prove any of your points. This is entirely based on your opinion of having been shafted as a player.
Do I really need to repaste my post again or could you kindly not be so lazy and just go back to it on your own this time?For me to find "proof" for my opinion on the issue, I guess I could just link other posts that agree with me.
Posting other people's opinions does not make those opinions anything more than reposted opinions.
This is getting repetitious. Me not agreeing with you on your points does not make me lazy. Everyone championing this argument is apparently incapable of civilized or logical discourse, which I think is par for the course considering the level of false-entitlement needed to believe that you deserve everything that will ever become available for the game (possibly on a silver platter?)Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
SFBryan18✭✭✭✭✭
✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Especially considering that person had to argue the whole thing in the ground and insisted on getting the last word.
You really love to accuse others for things you are guilty of as well, don't you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2mlD5xcikQ Edited by SFBryan18 on July 21, 2014 12:21AM1 -
Lyrro✭✭✭This is getting repetitious. Me not agreeing with you on your points does not make me lazy. Everyone championing this argument is apparently incapable of civilized or logical discourse, which I think is par for the course considering the level of false-entitlement needed to believe that you deserve everything that will ever become available for the game (possibly on a silver platter?)
Knew it, lol. Rather than going back to the post where I stated the unbiased facts, you want to try and say that everyone who disagrees with you is "incapable of civilized or logical discourse". Good job making yourself look more mature than me. I'm offering up facts for my arguement and you're calling me and everyone else who stands on the same side of the line as me incompetent. Should I link in the definition of "incompetent" or could you look that up yourself?
Entitled? lol. Since when is it a bad thing for me to expect a company who clearly states I will have access to all game content to offer me access to all game content? Vanity content is still content, even if you tack on the word "vanity".1 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭This is getting repetitious. Me not agreeing with you on your points does not make me lazy. Everyone championing this argument is apparently incapable of civilized or logical discourse, which I think is par for the course considering the level of false-entitlement needed to believe that you deserve everything that will ever become available for the game (possibly on a silver platter?)
Knew it, lol. Rather than going back to the post where I stated the unbiased facts, you want to try and say that everyone who disagrees with you is "incapable of civilized or logical discourse". Good job making yourself look more mature than me. I'm offering up facts for my arguement and you're calling me and everyone else who stands on the same side of the line as me incompetent. Should I link in the definition of "incompetent" or could you look that up yourself?
Entitled? lol. Since when is it a bad thing for me to expect a company who clearly states I will have access to all game content to offer me access to all game content? Vanity content is still content, even if you tack on the word "vanity".
you have yet to present any unbiased facts that support you, but I suppose me disagreeing with you on that means I am lazy.
The dog isn't content, at best you are playing semantics.
You are just proving my point.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
ZOS_CatK✭✭✭Greetings everyone!
While we fully understand that this is a highly debated topic and it's completely fine talk out differences of opinion, neither personal insults nor flame baiting will be tolerated within our community. Please keep that in mind, take a look at our Code Of Conduct and Community Rules and treat each other respectfully at all times.
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Lyrro✭✭✭1) We've been told we will eventually be able to get a dog with no timeline or idea on means. Simply meaning, we're expected to be sated by a response that may as well have stated that "a year from now, there will be a brown dog listed on the store."
2) People don't want an accessory dog that will follow them, they want a dog for their character to have as a companion for rp and immersion factors. While some people do, most dog owners don't go to a pound and adopt a dog just for the sake of having a dog, they look for a dog that they or their families will connect with on a personal level.
3) The announcement of the brown and retriever hounds came after this thread was app 17 pages, and without giving any time frame or "how to" suggests that Zenimax didn't even plan on releasing a dog to the veteran players until after they realized how pissed they were about it.
Alright here, I'll make it easy for you so you can stop proving my point and actually make one of your own for a change. All I'll make you do this time is click "spoiler". Think you can handle that?
Since you're too lazy to read the definition of content off the link I posted, I'll post it here too, but I won't make you click "spoiler" twice since that might be too much work.
con·tent1 [kon-tent] Show IPA
noun
1 a.
something that is contained: the contents of a box.
b.
the subjects or topics covered in a book or document.
c.
the chapters or other formal divisions of a book or document: a table of contents.
The contents of a game are still contents, whether it's vanity content or not. Exclusive vanity content is still content, it is just exclusive content. Exclusive content doesn't *** me off in most games, but in a game where I was told there would be no exclusive content, that's not the same.
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Lyrro✭✭✭Woops, noticed a mispaste in the definition of content. lol. Oh well, maybe you'll get my point.
Edit* Sorry for double post, given your response time in previous posts, I expected you to have reposted already.Edited by Lyrro on July 21, 2014 12:37AM0 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »indytims_ESO wrote: »Offering the same pet, of a different color, seems like a very fair compromise.
You can't compromise with these people. It HAS to be the white one, it HAS to be free and they want it NOW.
No you cant comprise by giving me a second rated crap i did not ask for to try to make up for big mistakes.
They wanted to sell for 50%, hell 75% , i dont care , it is fine , i paid what i paid when the game got out. I also wont complain about the steam support , i did not buy on steam , so yeah , i would prefer to have it , but im ok not having it.
I dont even want the dog much , it is the stupididy that zen insist on showing all the time that is the issue , hell , how do there people dont get fired after making these calls . Then again maybe they do we just dont know about it.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Every game in the history of ever has done limited time and exclusive offers. Just because you don't like your exclusive monkey doesn't mean you are entitled to someone else's exclusive wolfhound.
Mate , i wont even bother responding to your every game in history comment , that one was so absurd , that there is no point.
Anyway , lets hope zen either learned or got someone that already knew it finally to direct this game , cause even incompetence must have a limit.
Yes people should be fired because you didn't get a dog. Heads need to roll!
Heh , you may try to pass this off anyway you want mate , the issue like i said is not about the dog , it is about making stupid calls.
I dont care if it is a dog, a dungeon , a class or even a freaking entire zone.
They should not give content only to new players on a game with paid a subs.
That simple.
I do hope whoever made the call got fired , hell , if i was in the position i would fire him/her myself , must not be hard to get someone more competent than that in his/her place. In the end , probably only got an earful.
I'm so glad people like you don't have that kind of power. It shocks me that you think you not getting access to a vanity pet, (which is all it is, there is no principal of the matter bs, this is the way every game ever has done it,) should cause another human being to lose their livelihood.
People like you, that call for this kind of thing, should be fired in their own place of work for something ridiculously trivial and have to live homeless for a few months for the meaning of their words to sink in properly.
There is no game that does not offer exclusive content at some point in time. You are not entitled to such things by virtue of just paying for the game. ZOS has caved and given you a future option for a pet that is the same thing, just a different color. Yet you still whine and complain and demand to be handed everything you want.
Heh , sorry , i dont accept well bad service and yes , i believe anyone who cant deliver that much should lose their job and give it to someone who can. Plenty of people who need a job , give it to one who deserves it , dont keep people who cant deliver out of pity.
Incompetence is the issue here , therefore , just get someone who is can do a good job and problem solved.
Again , it is the issue , today it was a pet , tomorrow maybe something else.
If you think that is ok on a sub based game , that is ok to you. To me that is a proof that they need a wake up call.
The irony of you saying I need a wake up call is laughable.
This is not a slippery slope issue. As I said and you continue to ignore, possibly because you are actively trolling at this point, this is how it is done in every other game. There is nothing new going on here. There is no incompetence involved in any way shape or form. No screw up, no mistakes. I now genuinely feel ZOS shouldn't have caved and offered the dog in another color because it encourages this toxic behavior you are engaging in.
Here's hoping you get fired. ^____^
Nope , you need to stop and read what i have wrote.
I said the people working at zen need a wake up call , you can have any opinion you want.
Not everyone takes the crap that the company try to serve without complaining. They made a huge mistake , they need to learn from it.
And dont worry , i do a good job and get good feedback for it , so im quite sure i wont have a problem , not like some of the people working at zen clearly.
By your estimations doing a good job is not enough. You have to pander to every unhappy player or else get cut.
Think if that really happened. The staff would be constantly rotating to make you feel better. You're probably already wealthy, no one besides the already entitled and pampered would expect such things. The rest of us, in the real world, have realistic expectations because we do not live in a reality where everyone bends to our whims, however ridiculous they may be.
You cant please everyone, but you need to know where you should not go.
There are threads about the pig , there are threads about steam support ...
Yet the threads about the dog beat those easilly in amount of complains.
Why?
Because this was considered such absurd by many. The pig , you could have gotten by going to the quakecon , the monkey you can still get (checked my email , hell , i think i still have a few valid beta invites there myself) , you can buy that guar and get the pet also , the dog...
You cant , end of story , it is for new players only , sorry , you can actually , you just need to toss your whole account out of the window and buy the game again on steam and start again :P.
The principle is *** , the problem is not the dog itself , but the idea of making content exclusive to new players only.
The funniest part about all this , is that zen probably could have gotten the same amount of sales even without giving the dog."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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✭Was looking at someones dog today and it was huge compared to a wood elf. That little guy probably could have saddled him up and road him.0 -
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✭txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »
You are the polar opposite of the super whiney person looking for hand outs. Neither side is good and extremism is usually bad.
I suggest you calm down do some yoga. Maybe meditate.
Now. I think there should be some earned vanity pets and items in game don't you? Maybe some that drop rarely off end bosses or random events/quests in the world? I agree that some items up for sale is good (I bought two guars) but there should definitely be some obtainable vanity items in game to keep people occupied don't you?
You can find the middle ground after all, and I'm pretty sure the brown dog is going to be in the store and NOT a give away. Wouldn't it be more fun if that crab had been fished or the brown dog is a hungry npc you meet in the wild that follows you till you feed him?
Problem here is that they are monetizing all cosmetic items like a free to play game or a buy to play game while the game is supposed to be funded by the sub. So no - them giving out "free stuff" isn't going to make them broke. If they send everyone a plush you would have an argument but making several pets obtainable in game that take the average gamer weeks to months to get will keep more people active and subscribed.
You may not care about them - but for some people they will travel the world for weeks on end to find that dog and that is fun to them. I don't understand it one bit pets are silly to me, but they are important to some.
In a sub game there should be a balance of cosmetics in game and some that is purchased. If people didn't care about pixels and graphics we would still be playing atari and mud games.3 -
txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »
Seriously? Do you know how much money they make?
Actually, no one does. It is a privately held company. Anyone that claims to know otherwise is full of it.2 -
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✭txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »
Seriously? Do you know how much money they make?
Actually, no one does. It is a privately held company. Anyone that claims to know otherwise is full of it.
K. So making claims that they will go bankrupt can't be serious then.3 -
Mr.Turtlesworth✭✭✭✭txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »
Seriously? Do you know how much money they make?
Actually, no one does. It is a privately held company. Anyone that claims to know otherwise is full of it.
I know how much they make. It's about 3 fiddy.I r robot
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Mr.Turtlesworth✭✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »indytims_ESO wrote: »Offering the same pet, of a different color, seems like a very fair compromise.
You can't compromise with these people. It HAS to be the white one, it HAS to be free and they want it NOW.
No you cant comprise by giving me a second rated crap i did not ask for to try to make up for big mistakes.
They wanted to sell for 50%, hell 75% , i dont care , it is fine , i paid what i paid when the game got out. I also wont complain about the steam support , i did not buy on steam , so yeah , i would prefer to have it , but im ok not having it.
I dont even want the dog much , it is the stupididy that zen insist on showing all the time that is the issue , hell , how do there people dont get fired after making these calls . Then again maybe they do we just dont know about it.smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Every game in the history of ever has done limited time and exclusive offers. Just because you don't like your exclusive monkey doesn't mean you are entitled to someone else's exclusive wolfhound.
Mate , i wont even bother responding to your every game in history comment , that one was so absurd , that there is no point.
Anyway , lets hope zen either learned or got someone that already knew it finally to direct this game , cause even incompetence must have a limit.
Yes people should be fired because you didn't get a dog. Heads need to roll!
Heh , you may try to pass this off anyway you want mate , the issue like i said is not about the dog , it is about making stupid calls.
I dont care if it is a dog, a dungeon , a class or even a freaking entire zone.
They should not give content only to new players on a game with paid a subs.
That simple.
I do hope whoever made the call got fired , hell , if i was in the position i would fire him/her myself , must not be hard to get someone more competent than that in his/her place. In the end , probably only got an earful.
I'm so glad people like you don't have that kind of power. It shocks me that you think you not getting access to a vanity pet, (which is all it is, there is no principal of the matter bs, this is the way every game ever has done it,) should cause another human being to lose their livelihood.
People like you, that call for this kind of thing, should be fired in their own place of work for something ridiculously trivial and have to live homeless for a few months for the meaning of their words to sink in properly.
There is no game that does not offer exclusive content at some point in time. You are not entitled to such things by virtue of just paying for the game. ZOS has caved and given you a future option for a pet that is the same thing, just a different color. Yet you still whine and complain and demand to be handed everything you want.
Heh , sorry , i dont accept well bad service and yes , i believe anyone who cant deliver that much should lose their job and give it to someone who can. Plenty of people who need a job , give it to one who deserves it , dont keep people who cant deliver out of pity.
Incompetence is the issue here , therefore , just get someone who is can do a good job and problem solved.
Again , it is the issue , today it was a pet , tomorrow maybe something else.
If you think that is ok on a sub based game , that is ok to you. To me that is a proof that they need a wake up call.
The irony of you saying I need a wake up call is laughable.
This is not a slippery slope issue. As I said and you continue to ignore, possibly because you are actively trolling at this point, this is how it is done in every other game. There is nothing new going on here. There is no incompetence involved in any way shape or form. No screw up, no mistakes. I now genuinely feel ZOS shouldn't have caved and offered the dog in another color because it encourages this toxic behavior you are engaging in.
Here's hoping you get fired. ^____^
Nope , you need to stop and read what i have wrote.
I said the people working at zen need a wake up call , you can have any opinion you want.
Not everyone takes the crap that the company try to serve without complaining. They made a huge mistake , they need to learn from it.
And dont worry , i do a good job and get good feedback for it , so im quite sure i wont have a problem , not like some of the people working at zen clearly.
By your estimations doing a good job is not enough. You have to pander to every unhappy player or else get cut.
Think if that really happened. The staff would be constantly rotating to make you feel better. You're probably already wealthy, no one besides the already entitled and pampered would expect such things. The rest of us, in the real world, have realistic expectations because we do not live in a reality where everyone bends to our whims, however ridiculous they may be.
You cant please everyone, but you need to know where you should not go.
There are threads about the pig , there are threads about steam support ...
Yet the threads about the dog beat those easilly in amount of complains.
Why?
Because this was considered such absurd by many. The pig , you could have gotten by going to the quakecon , the monkey you can still get (checked my email , hell , i think i still have a few valid beta invites there myself) , you can buy that guar and get the pet also , the dog...
You cant , end of story , it is for new players only , sorry , you can actually , you just need to toss your whole account out of the window and buy the game again on steam and start again :P.
The principle is *** , the problem is not the dog itself , but the idea of making content exclusive to new players only.
The funniest part about all this , is that zen probably could have gotten the same amount of sales even without giving the dog.
For me it's about the dog. It's fuzz factor is over 9000.
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Miflett✭✭✭Well, this video just popped up in my subscription feed. Its kinda interesting, and I feel resounds well with gaming as a whole now.
http://youtu.be/ecH4DZmsYH8
Skip to 5m 24s in, because linking doesn't appear to work with timestamps.Edited by Miflett on July 21, 2014 4:43AM2 -
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✭You know that phrase, "It's all over but the shouting?"
This is the shouting. Pages and pages of shouting.Snit AD Sorc
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Hilgara✭✭✭✭✭This thread is hilarious and depressing at the same time. Seriously, take a step back and read the thread from an objective standpoint and realise what a bunch of spoilt brats some of you sound.2
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Lyrro✭✭✭This thread is hilarious and depressing at the same time. Seriously, take a step back and read the thread from an objective standpoint and realise what a bunch of spoilt brats some of you sound.
Take your own advice. True, some sound like spoiled brats asking for a free handout, but others aren't asking for free handouts, they're simply outraged by the way Zenimax handled this whole event, and justifiably if you look at the whole scenario without focusing on the dog factor. Lets take a look at it and we'll even avoid the phrase "dog".
1) Zenimax justifies the use of a p2p system by stating that "players will have access to all content". Vanity content is still content, stating that there will be no exclusive content and then adding exclusive content makes you a liar.
2) Veteran players have been asking for a specific item since beta, and Zenimax finally delivers on that item. The problem is, Zenimax only gives said item to new players and tells veteran players they will never be allowed to have the item.
3) Many veteran players simply want Steam access, they don't care about the other bonus item. However, the way Steam support for this game has been handled, new players are allowed to get the benefits of having the game on Steam while veteran players have been told they never will.
4) Zenimax chose to announce the release of similar items, but waited so long to announce this and when they did decided that vagueness was the best way to handle the situation. From their response about the similar item, for all we know, it will be a part of the next Steam promotion and all players considered veteran will not have access to it either.
5) Zenimax's market department has demonstrated very bad judgement by doing what so many consider to be giving the finger to the player base who has stood by them through thick and thin. They have made the statement that, in regards to ESO, it would have been better to wait the three months and buy the game so you could get the Steam support and free vanity items. Naturally, in the process of doing so, they have shunned the very players who have defended them while many big name media companies bad mouthed them.
6) Many would argue that beta testers had access to two exclusive pets, but new players can get these pets simply by turning to outside vendors and thus, new players have access to everything veteran players have and more while, and I hate repeating myself, veteran players will not be allowed to get the Steam support or vanity pet that new players have.
I've been one of the many people who defended Zenimax against the naysayers, but the way this whole event was handled has demonstrated that Zenimax does not care about their loyal fans. I've defended the game despite all the bugs, though I have done my share of in game complaining about them, and I've defended
Zenimax against all those out there who compare ESO to WoW or EQ. Sorry to say I will not be doing this anymore, as they've clearly demonstrated that they care far more about bringing in potential customers then they do about keeping their supportive ones. Granted, I will still be playing, so Zenimax will still be happy since they will still be getting my sub fee, but I'll be tipping my glass to them for every potential customer I cost them by not defending them when I hear people bashing them in forums and such.
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Iduna1453Soul ShrivenLyrro has summed up the issue very well so I shan't add to it only to say that this never should have been an issue. Instead of creating goodwill it has only served to anger people needlessly.1
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✭✭Yep that's exactly it. It was a dumb move to make it exclusive to new players only. Anyone could have told them that so why they decided to do it is beyond me.
"Exclusive to new players only" should never be a thing. Exclusive to old players only is often a thing, like items for beta testers or items that were later removed from the game (Everquest's manastone or thex dagger for instance), but it's usually accepted by new players that they missed out on it. I've never heard a new player of a game complain that they can't get some vanity item that beta testers got. Never once. Once in a blue moon someone asks for a removed item to be brought back.
But exclusive to new players only? Who thought that was a good idea? And this goes beyond a simple vanity item. Some people want Steam features. They can't get them, they're exclusively for new players only.
WTF.
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UnfugSoul ShrivenThx @Lyrro, this is a very good recapitulation (from my point of view...)
I understand all pros and contras stated in this thread, but simply the fact that there are 925 comments right at this moment should show everybody that it's important to talk and think about what happened here.
Personally I don't care about the wolfhound because I'm not using pets in this game, but I do care about the way it is handled right now. Maybe it's because I played a f2p game once and became very sensitive about it... -> when I play a subcription based game I want to have a chance to get all the stuff the games offers. It's ok if it's hard to get, but there should be the possibilty...2 -
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✭@Lyrro got it.
Personally , i dont mind the whole steam stupport thing , because while i do like steam (i have over 180 games there) , i did not buy on steam. So yeah , i can understand that this is beyond zens.
Now , the "item" , that is part of the content of this game , having on to new players was trully a stupid idea."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Remmo✭✭@Lyrro, I feel exactly the same, well said.
I think the wolfhound is a cool pet and would have really appreciated it. The pets I got with pre-order were not cool, in fact not even worth the bank space so they got deleted
Come on, Zenimax, surely it doesn't hurt to provide your loyal fan base with a little love? Share the wolfhound
And if you really loved us, make it a reward for a tough quest.
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Nothing to add here except that I am also quite aggravated with what was done on Steam.2
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