Any Way for Existing Customers to get the Whiterun Wolfhound?

Mr.Turtlesworth · July 2014

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Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

So in the end , we get a crappy version to shut us up ... nice.

Please link to where you found the Steam wolfhound stats, and how the brown version of the same thing has crappier stats. Please. Considering its a vanity pet afaik and doesn't really have stats.

If you don't want the crappy brown dog, don't get it. Just like the palomino horse, it isn't required to play the game.

I want the crappy brown dog

Morduil · July 2014

Seems to me that there will inevitably be a range of pets available for cash in the end, as with most games. What I find interesting and disheartening is that any games company could possibly think that prior customers would not resent the sudden introduction of the world's most common and therefore emotionally impactful pet without making it, even for cash, available to their current subscribers.

I try not to be judgemental, but it doesn't take much of the old grey matter to foresee that people who have forked out for a crab or a monkey might possibly resent the mew option of a dog.

Yes, i know that the brown version will be available soon, and speaking only for myself I would actually prefer that. But a lot of people won't. Also, it is, let's be honest, in itself a footlingly small issue in terms of the quality of the game.

What makes me groan with despair is that Zenimax shows yet again that it is so utterly out of psychological empathy with its subscriber base.

I like the game. I love the Elder Scrolls world. But we all know that Zenimax is on the back foot and playing catch-up with its customers. So why oh why at that point introduce something that is so predictably annoying and divisive without giving a proper palliative those existing subscribers who will be put out by it?

It's just the sort of amateur and sloppy customer service that they seemed finally to be sorting out and moving away from....

JKorr · July 2014

Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »

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JKorr wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

So in the end , we get a crappy version to shut us up ... nice.

Please link to where you found the Steam wolfhound stats, and how the brown version of the same thing has crappier stats. Please. Considering its a vanity pet afaik and doesn't really have stats.

If you don't want the crappy brown dog, don't get it. Just like the palomino horse, it isn't required to play the game.

I want the crappy brown dog

Apparently you'll be able to get it, so you'll be fine.

I'll have the option of not getting either/any of them, and I'll be happy, too. So its good.

Mr.Turtlesworth · July 2014

JKorr wrote: »

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Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

So in the end , we get a crappy version to shut us up ... nice.

Please link to where you found the Steam wolfhound stats, and how the brown version of the same thing has crappier stats. Please. Considering its a vanity pet afaik and doesn't really have stats.

If you don't want the crappy brown dog, don't get it. Just like the palomino horse, it isn't required to play the game.

I want the crappy brown dog

Apparently you'll be able to get it, so you'll be fine.

I'll have the option of not getting either/any of them, and I'll be happy, too. So its good.

We'll they said " in the future ". So I'm not sure if that'll be tomorrow, in a week, in a month, or in 2026.

ZOS_ShannonM · July 2014

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ZOS_ShannonM · July 2014

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Miflett · July 2014

I guess there's really not too much left to be said unless anyone new to the conversation has something to add. This will probably all lead to no real change in the end, but I've definitely made my point known. I will intently follow how ZOS reacts, and will make a hard decision if necessary.

All I do ask, however, is for ZOS to be aware of how bitter a taste it leaves in my mouth, personally, for new users to still be able to acquire beta and explorer's pack contents on top of this new limited content.

Even that last paragraph itself paints me a little hypocritical; I prefer content to not be time limited, and freely available to all. I've never been one to deny someone something that gives me pleasure, as I would never want the same in return.

As an aside, all it takes is just one look to some online resellers and websites to realize just how much some 'digital pixels' are to a fanbase. To predatorily capitalize on that basic want, in my opinion, is just as greedy a move as the resellers themselves.

Nox_Aeterna · July 2014

Miflett wrote: »

I guess there's really not too much left to be said unless anyone new to the conversation has something to add. This will probably all lead to no real change in the end, but I've definitely made my point known. I will intently follow how ZOS reacts, and will make a hard decision if necessary.

Pretty much.

That road to the future does seem nice , but it seems to be a very long road the way they do things sometimes.

txfeinbergsub17_ESO · July 2014

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Lyrro wrote: »

Zenimax is contractually obligated now to only offer the Whiterun Wolfhound to Steam customers. In order to promote the game through steam and offer this pet exclusively, they would have been forced to sign a contract and thus, cannot go against it without legal retribution from Steam.

That said, they could offer the Whiterun Wolfhound to veteran players who would be willing to buy an "upgrade" to their account through Steam which gives veteran players access to the Steam community and the dog. Given that many players repurchased the game (I did not but I know many have) without knowing they would not be allowed to add the dog or Steam access to their current account, it makes sense marketing wise to take advantage of this. Only problem is that Zenimax would sound greedy if they did this... but then again, they do offer a vanity horse and Guar plush (with vanity pet) through the game store so I think it's a little too late to avoid this.

Or put a different dog in the ESO store for like 5-$10.

Or not. Especially not for 5-$10.

If they don't make it somewhat difficult to get, then everyone's gunna be running around with the same dog. I'd say $5 is fair.'id pay $10 though.

Oh, so now you have to be a unique snowflake as well?

Enkil · July 2014

omg let this thread die please LOL

txfeinbergsub17_ESO · July 2014

It will never die. It will now be replaced by any other handout thread that people feel slighted in not getting. That is the beast that ZOS has catered to.

Hamfast · July 2014

Snit wrote: »

If ZOS learns anything, it will be that people want dogs. The cash shop will likely have brown dogs, white dogs, black dogs, yellow dogs, big dogs, little dogs, hot dogs, chili dogs, dogpiles, dogsleds, seadogs, dogwoods and underdogs.

There will be dogs.

If this is true, can I have a Sweet Polly Purebread? (From the Underdog movie, it's a Cavalier King Charles Spaniel)

kargen27 · July 2014

There should be a quest to save the poor little dog (I think it is named Murtle?) that the Khajiit has caged. Then have the option to keep the little fellah!

txfeinbergsub17_ESO · July 2014

Miflett wrote: »

I guess there's really not too much left to be said unless anyone new to the conversation has something to add. This will probably all lead to no real change in the end, but I've definitely made my point known. I will intently follow how ZOS reacts, and will make a hard decision if necessary.

All I do ask, however, is for ZOS to be aware of how bitter a taste it leaves in my mouth, personally, for new users to still be able to acquire beta and explorer's pack contents on top of this new limited content.

Even that last paragraph itself paints me a little hypocritical; I prefer content to not be time limited, and freely available to all. I've never been one to deny someone something that gives me pleasure, as I would never want the same in return.

As an aside, all it takes is just one look to some online resellers and websites to realize just how much some 'digital pixels' are to a fanbase. To predatorily capitalize on that basic want, in my opinion, is just as greedy a move as the resellers themselves.

... and I have made my point known as well i.e. that ZOS should not have given in here, but I guess we are going to be stuck reliving this nightmare for eons to come whenever anyone feels that they should have something just because someone else got one.

CrushiiX · July 2014

I hope it does not die until they give us a way to get the steam dog. I want that dang dog, I like to have every pet

Nox_Aeterna · July 2014

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

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Miflett wrote: »

I guess there's really not too much left to be said unless anyone new to the conversation has something to add. This will probably all lead to no real change in the end, but I've definitely made my point known. I will intently follow how ZOS reacts, and will make a hard decision if necessary.

All I do ask, however, is for ZOS to be aware of how bitter a taste it leaves in my mouth, personally, for new users to still be able to acquire beta and explorer's pack contents on top of this new limited content.

Even that last paragraph itself paints me a little hypocritical; I prefer content to not be time limited, and freely available to all. I've never been one to deny someone something that gives me pleasure, as I would never want the same in return.

As an aside, all it takes is just one look to some online resellers and websites to realize just how much some 'digital pixels' are to a fanbase. To predatorily capitalize on that basic want, in my opinion, is just as greedy a move as the resellers themselves.

... and I have made my point known as well i.e. that ZOS should not have given in here, but I guess we are going to be stuck reliving this nightmare for eons to come whenever anyone feels that they should have something just because someone else got one.

Yeah , it seems many here are stuck putting up with one another till they add that ignore function.

So yes , if zen decides to pull more of this F2P crap over on us , be ready to hear a LOT more of all this.

Some of us dont take any crap served to us silently , some actually voice it out when they get this.

CrushiiX · July 2014

I am angry because even though I bought the game on steam (imp edition) I cannot use the pet that I see other people have just because I have an account from pre-ordering the game.

txfeinbergsub17_ESO · July 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

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txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Miflett wrote: »

I guess there's really not too much left to be said unless anyone new to the conversation has something to add. This will probably all lead to no real change in the end, but I've definitely made my point known. I will intently follow how ZOS reacts, and will make a hard decision if necessary.

All I do ask, however, is for ZOS to be aware of how bitter a taste it leaves in my mouth, personally, for new users to still be able to acquire beta and explorer's pack contents on top of this new limited content.

Even that last paragraph itself paints me a little hypocritical; I prefer content to not be time limited, and freely available to all. I've never been one to deny someone something that gives me pleasure, as I would never want the same in return.

As an aside, all it takes is just one look to some online resellers and websites to realize just how much some 'digital pixels' are to a fanbase. To predatorily capitalize on that basic want, in my opinion, is just as greedy a move as the resellers themselves.

... and I have made my point known as well i.e. that ZOS should not have given in here, but I guess we are going to be stuck reliving this nightmare for eons to come whenever anyone feels that they should have something just because someone else got one.

Yeah , it seems many here are stuck putting up with one another till they add that ignore function.

So yes , if zen decides to pull more of this F2P crap over on us , be ready to hear a LOT more of all this.

Some of us dont take any crap served to us silently , some actually voice it out when they get this.

right... because promotional sales are a new thing

Miflett · July 2014

Honestly, for the sake of not getting this important discussion closed, it would probably be best to just let the bait fall to the ground.

I can't rightly tell people what to do, but I think it's good advice.

txfeinbergsub17_ESO · July 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

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txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Miflett wrote: »

I guess there's really not too much left to be said unless anyone new to the conversation has something to add. This will probably all lead to no real change in the end, but I've definitely made my point known. I will intently follow how ZOS reacts, and will make a hard decision if necessary.

All I do ask, however, is for ZOS to be aware of how bitter a taste it leaves in my mouth, personally, for new users to still be able to acquire beta and explorer's pack contents on top of this new limited content.

Even that last paragraph itself paints me a little hypocritical; I prefer content to not be time limited, and freely available to all. I've never been one to deny someone something that gives me pleasure, as I would never want the same in return.

As an aside, all it takes is just one look to some online resellers and websites to realize just how much some 'digital pixels' are to a fanbase. To predatorily capitalize on that basic want, in my opinion, is just as greedy a move as the resellers themselves.

... and I have made my point known as well i.e. that ZOS should not have given in here, but I guess we are going to be stuck reliving this nightmare for eons to come whenever anyone feels that they should have something just because someone else got one.

Some of us dont take any crap served to us silently , some actually voice it out when they get this.

and one other thing.... anytime in the future, if you ever disagree with someone because they are not happy about some aspect of the game, you are a hypocrite based on your above statement. I suspect something you probably have already done many times. You see, what you see as "crap", other's may not see it that way, and vice versa.

tordr86b16_ESO · July 2014

my reaction ? i don't care.

Vivecc · July 2014

Snit wrote: »

If ZOS learns anything, it will be that people want dogs. The cash shop will likely have brown dogs, white dogs, black dogs, yellow dogs, big dogs, little dogs, hot dogs, chili dogs, dogpiles, dogsleds, seadogs, dogwoods and underdogs.

rofl...i want the dogpile
i will use it like caltrops and make highelven ladys step on it...

txfeinbergsub17_ESO · July 2014

Vivecc wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

If ZOS learns anything, it will be that people want dogs. The cash shop will likely have brown dogs, white dogs, black dogs, yellow dogs, big dogs, little dogs, hot dogs, chili dogs, dogpiles, dogsleds, seadogs, dogwoods and underdogs.

rofl...i want the dogpile
i will use it like caltrops and make highelven ladys step on it...

I would like the dog-piles as well if I can throw them at the faces of anyone that has a dog out.

Nox_Aeterna · July 2014

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

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Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Miflett wrote: »

I guess there's really not too much left to be said unless anyone new to the conversation has something to add. This will probably all lead to no real change in the end, but I've definitely made my point known. I will intently follow how ZOS reacts, and will make a hard decision if necessary.

All I do ask, however, is for ZOS to be aware of how bitter a taste it leaves in my mouth, personally, for new users to still be able to acquire beta and explorer's pack contents on top of this new limited content.

Even that last paragraph itself paints me a little hypocritical; I prefer content to not be time limited, and freely available to all. I've never been one to deny someone something that gives me pleasure, as I would never want the same in return.

As an aside, all it takes is just one look to some online resellers and websites to realize just how much some 'digital pixels' are to a fanbase. To predatorily capitalize on that basic want, in my opinion, is just as greedy a move as the resellers themselves.

... and I have made my point known as well i.e. that ZOS should not have given in here, but I guess we are going to be stuck reliving this nightmare for eons to come whenever anyone feels that they should have something just because someone else got one.

Some of us dont take any crap served to us silently , some actually voice it out when they get this.

and one other thing.... anytime in the future, if you ever disagree with someone because they are not happy about some aspect of the game, you are a hypocrite based on your above statement. I suspect something you probably have already done many times. You see, what you see as "crap", other's may not see it that way, and vice versa.

Nope , not really.

See , i dont go into threads to tell people how the subject is irrelevant unless it is not even in the game yet or for some reason we cant form a opinion on it.

I may go to agree/disagree , may add something...

But this whole thing about going there to tell people how irrilevant to complain because they think X is not right , not my thing.

So yes , maybe my view on many things may vary , hell , i disagree with people all the time. That does not mean i tell them they should shut up about it cause it is irrelevant.

CrushiiX · July 2014

If they do not make a way for us to get that edition of the dog, every time I see one in game I am going to be pissed....mainly because I bought it on steam only to find out I can't link it to my current account

Mr.Turtlesworth · July 2014

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

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Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »

Anastasia wrote: »

Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »

Lyrro wrote: »

Zenimax is contractually obligated now to only offer the Whiterun Wolfhound to Steam customers. In order to promote the game through steam and offer this pet exclusively, they would have been forced to sign a contract and thus, cannot go against it without legal retribution from Steam.

That said, they could offer the Whiterun Wolfhound to veteran players who would be willing to buy an "upgrade" to their account through Steam which gives veteran players access to the Steam community and the dog. Given that many players repurchased the game (I did not but I know many have) without knowing they would not be allowed to add the dog or Steam access to their current account, it makes sense marketing wise to take advantage of this. Only problem is that Zenimax would sound greedy if they did this... but then again, they do offer a vanity horse and Guar plush (with vanity pet) through the game store so I think it's a little too late to avoid this.

Or put a different dog in the ESO store for like 5-$10.

Or not. Especially not for 5-$10.

If they don't make it somewhat difficult to get, then everyone's gunna be running around with the same dog. I'd say $5 is fair.'id pay $10 though.

Oh, so now you have to be a unique snowflake as well?

No but everyone walking around with the same dog gets a little bit silly... A $5 product would not make me a special snowflake.

CrushiiX · July 2014

Agreed

LunaRae · July 2014

It's not about the dog, seriously. It's original customers, pioneers if you will, don't get the respect they deserve. I don't want an unfair advantage in-game compared to new players, but what I do want is the recognition that I believed in this game from the beginning. I continue to stand by it because it's fun and brings me enjoyment, even though ZOS seems to think it's ok to provide exclusive content to Steam customers. I'm almost certain the agreement between ZOS and Steam required an exclusivity in the agreement to provide the game on Steam for sale, and I'm almost certain as well that integration between the steam client and its functions is also in the agreement to continue its sale and advertisement. ZOS really need to show us pioneers some love and tell us we haven't been forgotten for new customers.

txfeinbergsub17_ESO · July 2014

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

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txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Miflett wrote: »

I guess there's really not too much left to be said unless anyone new to the conversation has something to add. This will probably all lead to no real change in the end, but I've definitely made my point known. I will intently follow how ZOS reacts, and will make a hard decision if necessary.

All I do ask, however, is for ZOS to be aware of how bitter a taste it leaves in my mouth, personally, for new users to still be able to acquire beta and explorer's pack contents on top of this new limited content.

Even that last paragraph itself paints me a little hypocritical; I prefer content to not be time limited, and freely available to all. I've never been one to deny someone something that gives me pleasure, as I would never want the same in return.

As an aside, all it takes is just one look to some online resellers and websites to realize just how much some 'digital pixels' are to a fanbase. To predatorily capitalize on that basic want, in my opinion, is just as greedy a move as the resellers themselves.

... and I have made my point known as well i.e. that ZOS should not have given in here, but I guess we are going to be stuck reliving this nightmare for eons to come whenever anyone feels that they should have something just because someone else got one.

Some of us dont take any crap served to us silently , some actually voice it out when they get this.

and one other thing.... anytime in the future, if you ever disagree with someone because they are not happy about some aspect of the game, you are a hypocrite based on your above statement. I suspect something you probably have already done many times. You see, what you see as "crap", other's may not see it that way, and vice versa.

Nope , not really.

See , i dont go into threads to tell people how the subject is irrelevant unless it is not even in the game yet or for some reason we cant form a opinion on it.

I may go to agree/disagree , may add something...

But this whole thing about going there to tell people how irrilevant to complain because they think X is not right , not my thing.

So yes , maybe my view on many things may vary , hell , i disagree with people all the time. That does not mean i tell them they should shut up about it cause it is irrelevant.

Ok, so I won't find a single thread anywhere on these forums telling people their view is not correct and they should not say it? Because I am going to look and call you out on it...

Miflett · July 2014

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

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Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Nox_Aeterna wrote: »

txfeinbergsub17_ESO wrote: »

Miflett wrote: »

I guess there's really not too much left to be said unless anyone new to the conversation has something to add. This will probably all lead to no real change in the end, but I've definitely made my point known. I will intently follow how ZOS reacts, and will make a hard decision if necessary.

All I do ask, however, is for ZOS to be aware of how bitter a taste it leaves in my mouth, personally, for new users to still be able to acquire beta and explorer's pack contents on top of this new limited content.

Even that last paragraph itself paints me a little hypocritical; I prefer content to not be time limited, and freely available to all. I've never been one to deny someone something that gives me pleasure, as I would never want the same in return.

As an aside, all it takes is just one look to some online resellers and websites to realize just how much some 'digital pixels' are to a fanbase. To predatorily capitalize on that basic want, in my opinion, is just as greedy a move as the resellers themselves.

... and I have made my point known as well i.e. that ZOS should not have given in here, but I guess we are going to be stuck reliving this nightmare for eons to come whenever anyone feels that they should have something just because someone else got one.

Some of us dont take any crap served to us silently , some actually voice it out when they get this.

and one other thing.... anytime in the future, if you ever disagree with someone because they are not happy about some aspect of the game, you are a hypocrite based on your above statement. I suspect something you probably have already done many times. You see, what you see as "crap", other's may not see it that way, and vice versa.

Nope , not really.

See , i dont go into threads to tell people how the subject is irrelevant unless it is not even in the game yet or for some reason we cant form a opinion on it.

I may go to agree/disagree , may add something...

But this whole thing about going there to tell people how irrilevant to complain because they think X is not right , not my thing.

So yes , maybe my view on many things may vary , hell , i disagree with people all the time. That does not mean i tell them they should shut up about it cause it is irrelevant.

Ok, so I won't find a single thread anywhere on these forums telling people their view is not correct and they should not say it? Because I am going to look and call you out on it...

If you think that is an appropriate use of your time, so be it. Just keep it civil.