Any Way for Existing Customers to get the Whiterun Wolfhound?

Snit

Audigy wrote: »

Did you also cry... you act like someone stole your Lollypop.

It would have been funnier if you'd said "Sweetroll."

It still wouldn't have convinced anyone, though. You need to demonstrate at least a vague understanding of others' points if you want them to consider yours as potentially valid. That does require some thought, though.

ianangelospreub18_ESO

Audigy wrote: »

Turelus wrote: »

Snit wrote: »

Sylvyr wrote: »

It would lose it's flashy exclusive context.

They could render a dog of a different color in hours.

If they'd seen this coming, they likely would have. And anyone at all familiar with MMO demographics knows that collectors and completionists are commonplace -- they really should have seen this coming.

I don't think making alternate versions is the answer here.

As I posted a few pages back a better system would be for ZOS to establish that all of these pets, preorder and beta items are free promotional offers to people to get them that way. However they're available to everyone else via the games store at a small fee.

This way everyone playing has access to exactly the same content and items in the game, some just have to pay a price for it while others qualified for it free.

Since when do you play games?

Not for long I assume. It is totally legal and normal to hand out goodies for your customers, Blizzard, EA every company does so since centuries.

Even the first RPGs gave us video tapes, shirts or soft toys. Do you now also complain about not getting the shirt of Simon the Sorcerer because these promo boxes are sold out and 15 years?

Did you also cry about every missed pet at the Blizzard forum?

Seriously guys get real.

Steam as a shop is giving out a pet, just like ESO´s shop gave the crab and the horse and I am sure that once the game goes live on consoles another pet for these customers will be made available.

If you can not accept this then it might be better to stop playing video games, but even in RL you will sooner or later notice that your entitlement wont get you far.

You don't lose anything here, yet you act like someone stole your Lollypop.

And yet another misses the point XD. The current subs asked and wanted the dog, so some dev has the bright idea to give it to players who didn't technically even ask for it. Completely ignoring all of the other issues with this, we still have the problem that it is a reward to new players while a slap in the face to loyal ones, when the new players are already getting the greatly reduced price along with all the standard imperial additions.

TeraAngelos

ianangelospreub18_ESO wrote: »

And yet another misses the point XD. The current subs asked and wanted the dog, so some dev has the bright idea to give it to players who didn't technically even ask for it. Completely ignoring all of the other issues with this, we still have the problem that it is a reward to new players while a slap in the face to loyal ones, when the new players are already getting the greatly reduced price along with all the standard imperial additions.

That's the main issue. The fact that current subs put in feedback to request a particular pet, and instead get to watch while others parade around with it. It's kind of a low blow.

ianangelospreub18_ESO

We have now reached the 11+ Page mark wooo <.< *looks for devs* >.> *scratches head* Nah I know they wont comment, not until they have a solid idea what they are going to do anyway but is fun to pretend.

Westcoast14_ESO

ZOS_AmeliaR wrote: »

The wolfhound vanity pet is a limited-time bonus available only to those who buy the Imperial Edition of The Elder Scrolls Online through Steam.

I appreciate the candor and clarification, but tbh, unless something is done to mitigate, ZoS will end up angering a fair portion of its current subscriber base for no gain. Basically, unless ZoS is planning to transition to a micro-transaction service, it should be doing everything in its power to argue for its subscription service.

Snit

ianangelospreub18_ESO wrote: »

We have now reached the 11+ Page mark wooo <.< *looks for devs* >.> *scratches head* Nah I know they wont comment, not until they have a solid idea what they are going to do anyway but is fun to pretend.

I think you can assume that everyone who's anyone is at Quakecon.

randolphbenoit

I agree with all about pets (plus they were too small and not really cool). I like dogs (and wolfs) as I had dogs in Skyrim. Steam getting dog after we Beta and Collector Editions buyers not have a chance to get is unfair. If not free they option to buy like the extra Palomino Horse (while we at it add tigers to ride lol).

Miflett

If this a recurring thing, I will no longer give ESO my time. I've played too many other MMOs who have put content behind limited paywalls and I want nothing of it.

ianangelospreub18_ESO

So many forum lvls....so little time.

semp3rfi

Gotta love how the player base that paid full price for imperial pre-release and have been subbed since the beginning end up with less content than a new buyer who gets everything we got and more for half price

TeraAngelos

semp3rfi wrote: »

Gotta love how the player base that paid full price for imperial pre-release and have been subbed since the beginning end up with less content than a new buyer who gets everything we got and more for half price

I wouldn't say less content, since we did get a special pet for pre-order. I'd say inferior content, since I'd much rather have a wolfhound than the scuttler.

And the half-price thing doesn't bother me, to be honest. Newer stuff costs more, that's just economics.

The worst thing about this whole ordeal, in my opinion, is the fact that so many subbers REQUESTED some kind of dog pet. And yet Zeni is giving them to new players, and denying them to us. Ouch.

Arsenic_Touch

semp3rfi wrote: »

Gotta love how the player base that paid full price for imperial pre-release and have been subbed since the beginning end up with less content than a new buyer who gets everything we got and more for half price

Are they getting the explorer pack or the beta monkey for ordering through steam? no? well there goes your whole argument. Oh well.

Csub

Arsenic_Touch wrote: »

semp3rfi wrote: »

Gotta love how the player base that paid full price for imperial pre-release and have been subbed since the beginning end up with less content than a new buyer who gets everything we got and more for half price

Are they getting the explorer pack or the beta monkey for ordering through steam? no? well there goes your whole argument. Oh well.

They can get explorers pack. Not beta monkey true, but they could have joined beta if they wanted, they didnt even have to download the game. But the only way we could get the dog if we bought the game again and started a new account.

MercyKilling

The only reason I pre-ordered is because I wanted to be able to make any race in any faction. Didn't much care about the rest of the shiny stuff, or the "Imperial Edition".
Perhaps the -only- thing that bugs me even slighly is....I could've waited for the game to hit steam and saved at least thirty bucks. But eh. I wanted to play since my first beta weekend, so.....I paid for it.

semp3rfi

I still think its important to look after original customers. Its just good business.

This can too easily be seen as a slap in the face. The funny thing is i dont give a *** about the vanity pet, just the principle lol

Vilixiti

Hey Zenimax, way to alienate your own player base. I see you've chosen the way of most other MMOs to come before you: find some ridiculously stupid way to *** everyone off and put another nail in the coffin.

Dark Age of Camelot added vastly overpowered classes forcing people to buy the expansion or quit.

Star Wars dumbed down their combat to make it easier for new players to jump in to and gave easy access to Jedi invalidating a massive investment already paid in time and effort by other players to earn Jedi.

Ultima Online added trammel, a care bear mirror version of the world where you could not steal or murder other players. Providing a safe haven for the player base remaining after such a drastic change.

These are just a few examples off the top of my head.

tl;dr The point is DON'T ALIENATE your player base, Zenimax!

Maverick827

Elder Scrolls Online: The only way to win is not to play.

indytims_ESO

Yeah, pulling a stunt like this so -quick- after launch really leaves a bad taste in my mouth.... kinda like a Taco Bell burrito that's been sitting in the fridge for a few days. But, I digress.

I seriously hope Zeni sees the posts here in just one day... and realizes their mistake. I don't use the monkey, crab, dino, whatever the goofy-looking ones are that we've received. But I would definitely use the dog. It's man's best friend AND it actually looks cool.

Personally, they should toss it at all current Imperial edition subs as a 'thank you' for the growing-pains. But at the -very- least, they should offer it for a one-time fee, either $ or in-game gold, or something.

Lots of people willing to pay for it I think, and that isn't going to be the deciding factor for folks considering the game over Quakecon weekend...

TeraAngelos

semp3rfi wrote: »

I still think its important to look after original customers. Its just good business.

This can too easily be seen as a slap in the face. The funny thing is i dont give a *** about the vanity pet, just the principle lol

Being both a dog person and a completionist, I do give a **** about this vanity pet XD but I'm equally p'ed off about the principle, and I think that's definitely the main issue. It's not just complaining that "oh I want a puppy!" It's the fact that despite our numerous requests for some kind of dog pet instead of the silly crab and monkey, Zeni has to give it to new players and completely shaft us.

Vanathi

It's just horrible customer relations all the way around.

JD2013

Good lord all this over a silly bunch of pixels that aren't real?

I've been with the game since beta. I don't need another virtual (and might I add completely cosmetic and does absolutely nothing) pet taking up another inventory slot.

It's a limited promotion item to welcome new people into the game. A bunch of pixels that equate to nothing in real life. If they were giving away a free dog, sure then I may be slightly miffed. But they're not. It's a do nothing vanity item.

Come on, people!

TeraAngelos

JD2013 wrote: »

It's a limited promotion item to welcome new people into the game. A bunch of pixels that equate to nothing in real life. If they were giving away a free dog, sure then I may be slightly miffed. But they're not. It's a do nothing vanity item.
Come on, people!

The problem is that subbers specifically requested a dog vanity pet. And yet Zeni is giving the dogs to new subbers, and denying them to those that requested it in the first place. Like @semp3rfi said... it's more the principle.

ianangelospreub18_ESO

JD2013 wrote: »

Good lord all this over a silly bunch of pixels that aren't real?

I've been with the game since beta. I don't need another virtual (and might I add completely cosmetic and does absolutely nothing) pet taking up another inventory slot.

It's a limited promotion item to welcome new people into the game. A bunch of pixels that equate to nothing in real life. If they were giving away a free dog, sure then I may be slightly miffed. But they're not. It's a do nothing vanity item.

Come on, people!

Like @TeraAngelos said its the principle of it more then anything. The entire game is pixels that aren't real yet I'm assuming you bought the game since your here....so I am guessing what your meaning to say is that because it doesn't actually do something useful in game you don't care. 1. you could actually just say that. 2. Some people do care and your opinion is one among MANY as you can see by the several pages of posts.... or would you like to say that every single one of us in the last 11 pages of this forum thread are over exaggerating? If so I would love to see your email after a few days of that comment lol...

Miflett

JD2013 wrote: »

Good lord all this over a silly bunch of pixels that aren't real?

I've been with the game since beta. I don't need another virtual (and might I add completely cosmetic and does absolutely nothing) pet taking up another inventory slot.

It's a limited promotion item to welcome new people into the game. A bunch of pixels that equate to nothing in real life. If they were giving away a free dog, sure then I may be slightly miffed. But they're not. It's a do nothing vanity item.

Come on, people!

I completely agree that this means nothing for you, but some people do get enjoyment out of a variety of content in games; it's all for the sake of entertainment, and that something is very real.

To put up walls like this is a bad play in my opinion when people could be equally drawn to a new product by a sale. Also adding to this digital content creep is the lovely exclusive pet with a $20 plush guar purchase.

JD2013

TeraAngelos wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

It's a limited promotion item to welcome new people into the game. A bunch of pixels that equate to nothing in real life. If they were giving away a free dog, sure then I may be slightly miffed. But they're not. It's a do nothing vanity item.
Come on, people!

The problem is that subbers specifically requested a dog vanity pet. And yet Zeni is giving the dogs to new subbers, and denying them to those that requested it in the first place. Like @semp3rfi said... it's more the principle.

Okay, so - say you go to a supermarket and buy a punnet of strawberries. You eat them. All good.

Then, a couple of months down the line you go back to the same supermarket. You see strawberries again, you notice that this time the punnets have 25% extra free.

Would you demand the extra 25 percent of strawberries that you didn't get a couple of months ago? No. Of course not.

TeraAngelos

Miflett wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Good lord all this over a silly bunch of pixels that aren't real?

I've been with the game since beta. I don't need another virtual (and might I add completely cosmetic and does absolutely nothing) pet taking up another inventory slot.

It's a limited promotion item to welcome new people into the game. A bunch of pixels that equate to nothing in real life. If they were giving away a free dog, sure then I may be slightly miffed. But they're not. It's a do nothing vanity item.

Come on, people!

I completely agree that this means nothing for you, but some people do get enjoyment out of a variety of content in games; it's all for the sake of entertainment, and that something is very real.

To put up walls like this is a bad play in my opinion when people could be equally drawn to a new product by a sale. Also adding to this digital content creep is the lovely exclusive pet with a $20 plush guar purchase.

At least anybody can get the plushie.

TeraAngelos

JD2013 wrote: »

TeraAngelos wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

It's a limited promotion item to welcome new people into the game. A bunch of pixels that equate to nothing in real life. If they were giving away a free dog, sure then I may be slightly miffed. But they're not. It's a do nothing vanity item.
Come on, people!

The problem is that subbers specifically requested a dog vanity pet. And yet Zeni is giving the dogs to new subbers, and denying them to those that requested it in the first place. Like @semp3rfi said... it's more the principle.

Okay, so - say you go to a supermarket and buy a punnet of strawberries. You eat them. All good.

Then, a couple of months down the line you go back to the same supermarket. You see strawberries again, you notice that this time the punnets have 25% extra free.

Would you demand the extra 25 percent of strawberries that you didn't get a couple of months ago? No. Of course not.

No. But you have the option of buying another bunch of strawberries with 25% more now.

If we could buy the dog now, problem solved.

ianangelospreub18_ESO

JD2013 wrote: »

TeraAngelos wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

It's a limited promotion item to welcome new people into the game. A bunch of pixels that equate to nothing in real life. If they were giving away a free dog, sure then I may be slightly miffed. But they're not. It's a do nothing vanity item.
Come on, people!

The problem is that subbers specifically requested a dog vanity pet. And yet Zeni is giving the dogs to new subbers, and denying them to those that requested it in the first place. Like @semp3rfi said... it's more the principle.

Okay, so - say you go to a supermarket and buy a punnet of strawberries. You eat them. All good.

Then, a couple of months down the line you go back to the same supermarket. You see strawberries again, you notice that this time the punnets have 25% extra free.

Would you demand the extra 25 percent of strawberries that you didn't get a couple of months ago? No. Of course not.

Everyone keeps using examples that don't reflect the actual situation we are discussing...This situation is nothing like that in the slightest. If you really want to use an example like this at least use one that works. In this situation we have asked for months as loyal customers for the "strawberry reduction" then once it finally arrives it is given only to new customers and all loyal repeat customers have to pay the regular price still.

Miflett

TeraAngelos wrote: »

Miflett wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

Good lord all this over a silly bunch of pixels that aren't real?

I've been with the game since beta. I don't need another virtual (and might I add completely cosmetic and does absolutely nothing) pet taking up another inventory slot.

It's a limited promotion item to welcome new people into the game. A bunch of pixels that equate to nothing in real life. If they were giving away a free dog, sure then I may be slightly miffed. But they're not. It's a do nothing vanity item.

Come on, people!

I completely agree that this means nothing for you, but some people do get enjoyment out of a variety of content in games; it's all for the sake of entertainment, and that something is very real.

To put up walls like this is a bad play in my opinion when people could be equally drawn to a new product by a sale. Also adding to this digital content creep is the lovely exclusive pet with a $20 plush guar purchase.

At least anybody can get the plushie.

Agreed, that in and of itself isn't too bad. This all just helps paint a clearer picture of where ESO is headed; for good or bad. Exclusives in store, QuakeCon pushing for sales and new customers while brushing off old players, and limited time digital content. It almost seems unavoidable nowadays.

http://www.bethblog.com/2014/07/17/quakecon-2014-earth-shattering-sales-for-pc/

TeraAngelos

Miflett wrote: »

This all just helps paint a clearer picture of where ESO is headed; for good or bad. Exclusives in store, QuakeCon pushing for sales and new customers while brushing off new players, and limited time digital content. It almost seems unavoidable nowadays.

I see your point. While I am frustrated about this particular issue, I think the reason it has become such a hot topic today is the slew of OTHER issues that have been building up, that suggest Zeni isn't as loyal to their player base as they should be. This seems to be more of the straw that broke the camel's back. Though I still think it's a valid issue in itself, it's probably garnering this much attention because of the buildup of issues.