Provisioning Revamp

Divinius

Sharee wrote: »

Zephyr01 wrote: »

Damn it! It's not until late in the game that you can find, make or buy recipes or food/drink that allows you to buff 2, or more, stats. By allowing Food AND Drink to stack it means you're able to stay alive longer. So by not allowing stacking you're condemning hundreds of people to death.

There are blue/purple recipes as low as level 10.

More specifically, Blues start at 10, Purples at 20.

GTech_1

Divinius wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

Just to be 100% certain, I tested food and drink stacking on the PTS (2.1).
Results: Nope, they do *not* stack, they overwrite each other.
As far as I am aware, this is working as intended.

Thanks for the confirmation. That's what I was expecting, unfortunately.

Sure thing, glad to help.
I, too, was hoping for an undocumented, but welcome change.

srs121

Perhaps instead of altering current recipes and food combinations, instead add new recipes to the mix that add these new designs into effect. Either ones that require the combination of ingredients to produce the consumable(current system). Or making it some the food and drinks must be created and combined based on the newly released recipe, which would produce a brand new food product. (Ex. Magicka and health food, combined with health and magick regen drink would be the ingriendents in this new recipe)

MornaBaine

GTech_1 wrote: »

Divinius wrote: »

GTech_1 wrote: »

Just to be 100% certain, I tested food and drink stacking on the PTS (2.1).
Results: Nope, they do *not* stack, they overwrite each other.
As far as I am aware, this is working as intended.

Thanks for the confirmation. That's what I was expecting, unfortunately.

Sure thing, glad to help.
I, too, was hoping for an undocumented, but welcome change.

I still don't understand why they refuse to do this. Most people just use food and all those drinks go to waste. WHY ZOS????

Zephyr01

MornaBaine wrote: »

I still don't understand why they refuse to do this. Most people just use food and all those drinks go to waste. WHY ZOS????

I agree. I started making the drinks but after a few levels discovered I never used them so stopped collecting the recipes.

I still reckon there should be a way to 'learn' new recipes from Food we find.

Zephyr01

I've been talking to other MMOers and all the players told me that in their games Drinks and Food stack.

I can't see a logical reason why they don't in eso, can someone please give me a logical explanation? Just saying 'because' won't cut it.

jebuspowers

Probably because rating purple food and a purple drink will cause an even bigger gap in pvp and make pve instances a lot less challenging.

sky.fish

Random idea.. I'm [trying] to do some provision writs and am stuck because finding recipes is too difficult in the game. How about making chefs to randomly generate some common writ recipes for this purpose? I want my character to specialize in provisioning and completing writs would help tremendously.. just making recipes a little more available to move this process along without being stalled here or having to rob in game characters and get a bounty

sky.fish

sky.fish wrote: »

Random idea.. I'm [trying] to do some provision writs and am stuck because finding recipes is too difficult in the game. How about making chefs to randomly generate some common writ recipes for this purpose? I want my character to specialize in provisioning and completing writs would help tremendously.. just making recipes a little more available to move this process along without being stalled here or having to rob in game characters and get a bounty

finding the specified recipe. I find plenty recipes in generally, but the ones on my writ like a lemon flower matze

BlueGreenMikey

I've been able to find a lot of the recipes I need at the traders, especially in the past couple of weeks. The traders are just overflowing with recipes for really cheap. It's a pain in the ass to look at them, but they're so cheap that I've just been buying every recipe that I don't already have, many times for under 100.

sky.fish

BlueGreenMikey wrote: »

I've been able to find a lot of the recipes I need at the traders, especially in the past couple of weeks. The traders are just overflowing with recipes for really cheap. It's a pain in the ass to look at them, but they're so cheap that I've just been buying every recipe that I don't already have, many times for under 100.

been checking too but haven't found what i need for the writ i'm on. Do you have lemon flower matze ?

capnbinky

I really like the current number of ingredients; more things to collect is fun for me. It also means I have to choose, and have more interaction with the environment.

Basically, I very much like the current provisioning system as is, with the exception that I'd like to be able to stack drinks and food with perhaps a cut in power when stacked.

Otherwise, I am very happy with it and certainly don't want to see rare recipes become even rarer.

BlueGreenMikey

sky.fish wrote: »

BlueGreenMikey wrote: »

I've been able to find a lot of the recipes I need at the traders, especially in the past couple of weeks. The traders are just overflowing with recipes for really cheap. It's a pain in the ass to look at them, but they're so cheap that I've just been buying every recipe that I don't already have, many times for under 100.

been checking too but haven't found what i need for the writ i'm on. Do you have lemon flower matze ?

I don't personally, but the server that I'm on X1/NA, I've seen tons of recipes in Wayrest and Shadowfen.

sky.fish

BlueGreenMikey wrote: »

sky.fish wrote: »

BlueGreenMikey wrote: »

I've been able to find a lot of the recipes I need at the traders, especially in the past couple of weeks. The traders are just overflowing with recipes for really cheap. It's a pain in the ass to look at them, but they're so cheap that I've just been buying every recipe that I don't already have, many times for under 100.

been checking too but haven't found what i need for the writ i'm on. Do you have lemon flower matze ?

I don't personally, but the server that I'm on X1/NA, I've seen tons of recipes in Wayrest and Shadowfen.

thanks mikey I hope to find one soon. sorry if this topic was misplaced. It seemed appropriate: developers.. provisioning.. revamping.. yeah lol

Zephyr01

jebuspowers wrote: »

Probably because rating purple food and a purple drink will cause an even bigger gap in pvp and make pve instances a lot less challenging.

Having the option doesn't mean it has to be used. Those who like a challenge probably don't bother with buffs anyway. And not everyone plays PVP (Hmm, I wonder what the figures actually are). But I still find it a bother - especially at a low level - choosing to buff one stat at the expense of another.

Zephyr01

Sorry for the double post but this's a different question.

My DragonKnight has specialised in Provisioning but I've recently started a second character (a NightBlade) and I was wondering if she had to put skill points into Provisioning just so she can use the food provided by the DK, or does it go on the character's, and food's, level?

Elephant42

Zephyr01 wrote: »

Sorry for the double post but this's a different question.

My DragonKnight has specialised in Provisioning but I've recently started a second character (a NightBlade) and I was wondering if she had to put skill points into Provisioning just so she can use the food provided by the DK, or does it go on the character's, and food's, level?

Any character can use any food/drink/potion as long as the character level is at or above the level of the consumable, regardless of the source of the consumable.

Your NB does not have to have any points in Provisioning to use food crafted by your DK as long as the character level of the NB is at or above the level of the food.

Zephyr01

Thanks for that Elephant. I thought as much, but wanted to check.

Thallas

One great idea would be to allow sorting when using guild stores would be to add one more option of sorting goods by name, right now we can only sort by price or auction time. It would be great especially when trying to do provisioning quests with recipes that one doesn't have, I have spent hours trying to search through guild stores with the current configuration and have not been able to complete my provisioning due to not being able to find some recipes.

CGPsaint

@ZOS_GinaBruno - I'm a huge fan of the following change. When I started playing, I was grabbing EVERY ingredient that I came across and my game quickly changed from an RPG to an inventory management game. Now I only grab ingredients that I need for leveling, and for the attribute that I want to buff. My DK Archer collects vegetables for Stamina and my Sorc collects fruits for Magicka.

• Food and drink categories will have clearer usage
  • Cooking: Meat = health, fruit = magicka, vegetables = stamina
  
  

jebuspowers

Zephyr01 wrote: »

jebuspowers wrote: »

Probably because eating purple food and a purple drink will cause an even bigger gap in pvp and make pve instances a lot less challenging.

Having the option doesn't mean it has to be used. Those who like a challenge probably don't bother with buffs anyway. And not everyone plays PVP (Hmm, I wonder what the figures actually are). But I still find it a bother - especially at a low level - choosing to buff one stat at the expense of another.

Of course you won't have to, but it would offer a major advantage to someone who does stack as opposed to someone who didn't stack food and drink. Similar to shield stacking or dot stacking. You don't have to do these things, but there is no reason not to if you can.

Pomaikai

I'm excited to hear that there is a Provisioning Update coming, because as it is, I feel that Provisioning is currently seen as the non-crafting craft.

1) Food and Drink will stack. FINALLY! This was the silliest oversight that I've ever seen in a MMORPG, and I'm VERY happy that y'all are finally addressing it.

2) Make recipes DIFFERENT, other than ingredients. Regardless of the recipe, within a certain level every single food and drink recipe gives the exact same set of bonuses. For food, the amount of additional Magicka, Stamina, and Health are all the same within a given level, and the same is true for drinks. Different recipes should result in a different spread of ability increases. Make some recipes give more health than other, more magicka than others, more stamina than others, etc. Blue and Purple recipes need this even more. The recipe diversity is great, but the sameness of it all renders that diversity moot.

3) Why are Baked Potatoes, Grilled Chicken, and Mermaid Whisky basically missing from the drop tables these days when they're basic staples of the Provisioning Writs? There is no way that these should be as rare as hen's teeth. Please fix this.

4) Provisioning Writs should pull from the ENTIRE pool of droppable Green recipes, rather than just a tiny number of recipes that people overcharge for currently. If not the entire pool, then widen the number of Writ recipes considerably. Currently, if you just keep a small stack of food from those recipes in your inventory, you never actually have to make a thing to complete the daily Provisioning Writs. You take the Writ, read it, and hit a Wayshrine for delivery is pretty much a daily occurrence for me now.

5) Cooking Fires are not considered crafting areas, and so they don't show up on maps. Currently, we just have to run around areas we're not familiar with trying to find a cooking fire. Either give them a tag so they can be marked on maps via add-ons, or put a cooking fire at each crafting location, even the special set crafting locations.

6) Special Set food and drinks! Why not have some recipes drop, or recipe parts drop (Like Psyjic Pages) which a Provisioner can combine to make a special recipe that can only be made at the special crafting locations, like weapons and armor currently have? Have those recipes then give an extra bonus when consumed by someone wearing various numbers of pieces of those special armor/weapon sets! Eye's of Mara Tea and Goulash for food and drink examples. That sort of thing. This would REALLY make Provisioning a desired CRAFT once again, rather than the little side job it currently is.

7) Vampire and Werewolf food! Those of us who have been bitten would love to see more content directed towards us. While asking for special Vampire and Werewolf ONLY quests isn't germane to this topic, special food/drink that gives added bonuses to people who have vampire/werewolf abilities (slotted or not, y'alls choice) would be AWESOME! Maybe even have them increase the longevity of effects, etc rather than just static stat increases. They could even be somewhat detrimental to a stat, but give a nice boost to an active or passive ability. This same treatment could be done in Alchemy as well by adding vampire/werewolf specific potions.

I'm looking forward to seeing some, or better yet, ALL of these ideas included in the upcoming Provisioning revamp!



Thank you in advance for all of your time and consideration of these ideas,

Pomaikai Po'Okela
The Nexus (Whisper online for an invite!)

Divinius

Pomaikai wrote: »

I'm excited to hear that there is a Provisioning Update coming...

And once again, please check the post dates. This update came and went long ago. There is no other revamp in the works.

Pomaikai

One can hope that they're still listening, because it's still the *** red-headed stepchild of crafting in this game.

Zephyr01

From what I understand, the non-stacking of Food and Drink in eso (but allowable in most other MMORPGs) comes from the thought that people would be over-buffed in PVP. But I say, 'so what!?!?!' Not everyone wants to PVP. I'm sure there are ways to buff in PVP anyway - look at all the downloads available to PCers (thank goodness the consolers don't have to play with those cheaters ) Why not offer that option anyway, what's wrong with having choice? Yes, I can see the problem of stacking purple food and drink but at that level isn't it immaterial anyway? As an aside, does anyone know the actual stats of PVP vs PVE players? If it's something like, say, 70(PVE) - 30%(PVP) then why penalise the majority?

As a PVE it's horrendous having to decide where to put that single Level up point; 'Do I put it in Magick this time, or can I possibly wait until next time because my Health needs it more?' Stacking food and drink would give that breathing space. I've given up counting the number of times I've died in a Boss fighting because I had to choose extra Stamina over Regeneration of Health - I'm talking about the lower levels when Food or Drink don't cover 2 stats. And yes, I know I could go with another person, and I often do, but sometimes I wait for 20-30 mins for that other person to come along.

And I agree wholeheartedly with Pomaikai's 6th suggestion. Allowing the creation of 'Special Food and Drink' combo at a Special Crafting Sight is an excellent idea. But not if you're only wearing a complete set of armour. I've never found more than 2 of a set and I'm certain I'm not the only person in that boat.

Pomaikai's 4th Suggestion of Provisiong Writs coming from a wider base of recipes is also an excellent idea. I've taken and abandoned so many Writs I must've seen them all at one time or another, and since playing from day one of the console release I've still never found 99% of them. But that's a whole other subject.

Darlgon

Pomaikai

Yeah, bad thread necro's. We wouldn't want Zeni getting any NEW ideas to improve Provisioning in the future, would we?

Shazzamx

Well, I think the details are a bit unclear to come with proper feedback, but I will give my opinion anyway.

I like that food and drink can stack, but if you make a system where we have to use both to get a comparable benefit to that we get today from food... well then you are screwing up. Because then you implement a system where you are showing drinks down our throats ... so to speak.

The overall benefit of using both food and drink, should be greater then what you get today, using just food, or drink.

zittylolb14_ESO

The problem I am having with Provisions is the dropping of Recipes you need for Writs...esp at beginning levels. You can not do any more writs till you get the correct recipes for that writ......you can not drop that writ and get a different one.
It is a road block to progression of that profession.

Finding the correct recipes on the lame guild stores is also next to impossible. This is the main problem with the guild store setup....sure the guild my have 500 members...but the actual online players is less than 50....so at best one is stuck waiting for 250 ppl to buy your stuff they do not need?....as opposed to a full player base on one auction house...who ever made that decision....may they be curse with their worse fears.

Paazhahdrimaak

What's wrong with the current provisioning? Will I lose my recipes? Will all the ingredients still be relevant?