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This game is great, but not many realize it.
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Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Thing is, it ain't about opinions. Opinions are set of thoughts based on quantitatively analyze-able factors, put forward by knowledgeable and educated - otherwise it isn't called an "opinion", its called "dumb idea". What we are having here are rather "tastes". This whole topic has had 3-4 really mattering opinions: 1) the post where poster talks about the masses MMOs need to address specifically, as you can't please every player - which is an awesome marketing analysis, 2) the post where the list of features were listed, that exist in other MMOs - that was just pure fact: I played 4 MMOs til now and that list fits those MMOs perfectly. These 2 posts are the only I can remember, that actually were OPINIONS.
Other than that, as I stated in my earlier post, we all state our frustrations/applauds here: depending on how many MMOs for how long we all have played, and which MMOs for that matter, we all have certain set of criteria depicting what MMOs "must-have", "should-have", "can't have" etc. That list gets bigger and bigger as years pass and as we play more MMOs. ESO is brand new MMO and we are generally MMO-vets who have extensive list of factors we want our MMOs to have. Simple as that! I hope I don't need to say again, why ESO fails for vast majority of those factors, do I?0 -
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✭shehieb17_ESO wrote: »
you're just complaining to complain basically.
Should they have just not fixed them? What exactly would you give them credit for?
Having worked as an admin for a game that also worked on programming within the game, some problems that seem really easy to fix or really "ridiculous" are not.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.5 -
Shaun98ca2 wrote: »shehieb17_ESO wrote: »
Thing is that game is that it has no PvE endgame - which where ESO should come in, swinging and yellingYes its a great game, right now the best PvP game for me. But ESO doesn't have that either, which is a ridiculous situation for a franchise which fames itself with awesome lore and story.
What does "endgame" have anything to do with an awesome lore and story????
This games lore and story are awesome. I don't see a NEED for an "endgame".
The game needs more "content" but "endgame" is not one of them. I played to many MMOs that try to have endgame and that's boring doing the same things over and over and over again at nausea just to do something ELSE again over and over at nausea.
Story.... this games got it and needs to focus on it. Its the experience from 1-VR12 following an amazing story. All they need to do is keep adding more story to follow. Endgame starts at level 1 enjoy it.
As for the PVP comment. This PVP was lifted from DAoC more than anything and so far the PVP experience has been a good one for me. Might have been unplayable at times but game is still new and now most the FPS for PVP have seemed to been solved as I cant get into Wabbajack as its packed.
Endgame, as in PvE endgame, has EVERYTHING to do with story and lore. Or were you (assuming you have played several other MMOs in past) just bashing your way through raids without a clue why you are doing that, besides good loot? If that is the case, the current ESO isn't a game for you in the most definitive sense of the word.
The game doesn't need more content - as in the sense that it has none at all - game needs TONS of content, and the endgame content is primary category that needs focus (when it comes to content side of things). If you are delusional enough to consider level 1-50 content TRIPLED and fed to us as a "content", then that picture makes me feel even sorrier.
So in nutshell: this game doesn't have story. It has three different not-well-knit-together, lore-breaking stories; forcefully fed to one single character. The so called "endgame" should be the continuation of 1-50 story, in a massive, social level, done with friends and guilds. Each tier of that content should unveil new layer of that storytelling, gameplay, challenges and rewards. Traditional MMOs having them proves a working model and just because handful of mindless players who never even cared to (yet alone, did) pay attention to the story side of their MMOs, are "bored" because of those "outdated" methods, doesn't make those methods any lesser element in MMO design. In contrary, that overly-ignorant and ill-developed thought led ESO to what it is now: a game lacking even the basic, 20-year-old generic features, which comprise about 60% of what it is to be an MMO. And for the remaining 40%: well, do I need to start with bugs and all the standing problems?!
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Mr.Turtlesworth✭✭✭✭shehieb17_ESO wrote: »
Not at all. An mmo with this good of graphics and gameplay is totally expected to have glitches and problems. The important point is that they fixed them pretty fast and that shows that they are taking care of their game.I r robot
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✭Why does everyone always criticize ESO for being lore breaking? I've seen maybe one thing where the dates didn't match up (the tribunal should still be making pilgrimages to ash mountain) but for the most part, lore hasn't been broken.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.3 -
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✭Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Wrong again , since i have no means to directly stop my friends from buying the game.
I certanly dont not point a gun to their head at all times to stop them from buying this game.
They asked my opinion , i gave it to them:
Not worth their money.
Can they ignore me and buy the game anyway? Sure they can , but it is unlikely :P.
I just shared with my friends and in turn yes , costed the game 4 sales , which is nothing to a game like this.
I dont know about you , but my friends and i share what games we thought are good/bad/great and so on. We buy games based on this. We dont just tell each other nothing and wait the others to go play games we thought were bad. That is plain silly.
It's perfectly fine to share your opinion like that. What irritates me is when people make negative reviews about this game and go out of their way to slander the game, while most of their points aren't even valid.
Just like 95% reviews of ESO before launch? Seamed like no journalist had a first clue about any other MMO then WoW.
Imagine journalist using a successful mmo and model for comparison. Oh noes.
You mean the same people who called WoW a big joke and fail because it was not EQ?
There of different types of MMOs. Get used to it. Without any new MMO like EVE for example, who going their own way.....we only get 1 type. I like to have several to choose from.Edited by Cogo on July 14, 2014 4:15PMOghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
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"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
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✭Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Wrong again , since i have no means to directly stop my friends from buying the game.
I certanly dont not point a gun to their head at all times to stop them from buying this game.
They asked my opinion , i gave it to them:
Not worth their money.
Can they ignore me and buy the game anyway? Sure they can , but it is unlikely :P.
I just shared with my friends and in turn yes , costed the game 4 sales , which is nothing to a game like this.
I dont know about you , but my friends and i share what games we thought are good/bad/great and so on. We buy games based on this. We dont just tell each other nothing and wait the others to go play games we thought were bad. That is plain silly.
It's perfectly fine to share your opinion like that. What irritates me is when people make negative reviews about this game and go out of their way to slander the game, while most of their points aren't even valid.
Just like 95% reviews of ESO before launch? Seamed like no journalist had a first clue about any other MMO then WoW.
Imagine journalist using a successful mmo and model for comparison. Oh noes.
You mean the same people who called WoW a big joke and fail because it was not EQ?
There of different types of MMOs. Get used to it. Without any new MMO like EVE for example, who going their own way.....we only get 1 type. I like to have several to choose from.
yea but they were right, they just underestimated the playerbase's desire to have everything handed to them.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.4 -
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✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Wrong again , since i have no means to directly stop my friends from buying the game.
I certanly dont not point a gun to their head at all times to stop them from buying this game.
They asked my opinion , i gave it to them:
Not worth their money.
Can they ignore me and buy the game anyway? Sure they can , but it is unlikely :P.
I just shared with my friends and in turn yes , costed the game 4 sales , which is nothing to a game like this.
I dont know about you , but my friends and i share what games we thought are good/bad/great and so on. We buy games based on this. We dont just tell each other nothing and wait the others to go play games we thought were bad. That is plain silly.
It's perfectly fine to share your opinion like that. What irritates me is when people make negative reviews about this game and go out of their way to slander the game, while most of their points aren't even valid.
Just like 95% reviews of ESO before launch? Seamed like no journalist had a first clue about any other MMO then WoW.
Imagine journalist using a successful mmo and model for comparison. Oh noes.
You mean the same people who called WoW a big joke and fail because it was not EQ?
There of different types of MMOs. Get used to it. Without any new MMO like EVE for example, who going their own way.....we only get 1 type. I like to have several to choose from.
yea but they were right, they just underestimated the playerbase's desire to have everything handed to them.
Well, if a given model has demonstrated a propensity to generate more revenue, why on earth would a company shun it?Crotchety Old Man Guild
"Hey you, get off my lawn!"2 -
smeeprocketnub19_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Wrong again , since i have no means to directly stop my friends from buying the game.
I certanly dont not point a gun to their head at all times to stop them from buying this game.
They asked my opinion , i gave it to them:
Not worth their money.
Can they ignore me and buy the game anyway? Sure they can , but it is unlikely :P.
I just shared with my friends and in turn yes , costed the game 4 sales , which is nothing to a game like this.
I dont know about you , but my friends and i share what games we thought are good/bad/great and so on. We buy games based on this. We dont just tell each other nothing and wait the others to go play games we thought were bad. That is plain silly.
It's perfectly fine to share your opinion like that. What irritates me is when people make negative reviews about this game and go out of their way to slander the game, while most of their points aren't even valid.
Just like 95% reviews of ESO before launch? Seamed like no journalist had a first clue about any other MMO then WoW.
Imagine journalist using a successful mmo and model for comparison. Oh noes.
You mean the same people who called WoW a big joke and fail because it was not EQ?
There of different types of MMOs. Get used to it. Without any new MMO like EVE for example, who going their own way.....we only get 1 type. I like to have several to choose from.
yea but they were right, they just underestimated the playerbase's desire to have everything handed to them.
Well, if a given model has demonstrated a propensity to generate more revenue, why on earth would a company shun it?
True, but depressing nonetheless.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.3 -
Mr.Turtlesworth✭✭✭✭Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Wrong again , since i have no means to directly stop my friends from buying the game.
I certanly dont not point a gun to their head at all times to stop them from buying this game.
They asked my opinion , i gave it to them:
Not worth their money.
Can they ignore me and buy the game anyway? Sure they can , but it is unlikely :P.
I just shared with my friends and in turn yes , costed the game 4 sales , which is nothing to a game like this.
I dont know about you , but my friends and i share what games we thought are good/bad/great and so on. We buy games based on this. We dont just tell each other nothing and wait the others to go play games we thought were bad. That is plain silly.
It's perfectly fine to share your opinion like that. What irritates me is when people make negative reviews about this game and go out of their way to slander the game, while most of their points aren't even valid.
Just like 95% reviews of ESO before launch? Seamed like no journalist had a first clue about any other MMO then WoW.
Imagine journalist using a successful mmo and model for comparison. Oh noes.
The problem is, we got people that don't know the first thing about mmos, making reviews about them, because the target audience was elder scrolls players in total and not just mmo players. Someone who has never played an mmo with jump onto this, say it sucks, make a negative review, have that get popular thus spreading the negativity about the game. It's all about the target audience being split between single player gamers and mmo players, which is a recipe for disaster.I r robot
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LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Wrong again , since i have no means to directly stop my friends from buying the game.
I certanly dont not point a gun to their head at all times to stop them from buying this game.
They asked my opinion , i gave it to them:
Not worth their money.
Can they ignore me and buy the game anyway? Sure they can , but it is unlikely :P.
I just shared with my friends and in turn yes , costed the game 4 sales , which is nothing to a game like this.
I dont know about you , but my friends and i share what games we thought are good/bad/great and so on. We buy games based on this. We dont just tell each other nothing and wait the others to go play games we thought were bad. That is plain silly.
It's perfectly fine to share your opinion like that. What irritates me is when people make negative reviews about this game and go out of their way to slander the game, while most of their points aren't even valid.
Just like 95% reviews of ESO before launch? Seamed like no journalist had a first clue about any other MMO then WoW.
Imagine journalist using a successful mmo and model for comparison. Oh noes.
You mean the same people who called WoW a big joke and fail because it was not EQ?
There of different types of MMOs. Get used to it. Without any new MMO like EVE for example, who going their own way.....we only get 1 type. I like to have several to choose from.
yea but they were right, they just underestimated the playerbase's desire to have everything handed to them.
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✭This is a great thread for discussions!
The confusions about what a MMORPG "should" or "should not be, slows it down, creates drama and possibly stops a good discussion about ESO.
Lets keep to ESO? Please?
Source:MMORPG is “Massively multiplayer online role playing game”, with a mix of genres
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_role-playing_game
What other MMOs have or have not, is personal interests, experience and opinions.
What is right or wrong for ESO, is just what discussions like these are great for.
Zenimax is listening and is taking in our input! Lets use it! (*)
ESO facts, from Zenimax statements.
Zenimax description of each feature is the ONLY "true" one.- ESO offers game play for several types of MMO player "groups"
- "Choose your way" = Every player can choose anything, but not have everything. Your choices may or may not effect the world around you. Your choices may have effects you may not like, but have to live with.
- One feature ESO offers is "PvE End game". Currently, ESO "PvE end game" needs work to offer whats described. Zenimax have stated that they are working on this part.
- ESO offers game play for level 1-50, to be just as important as "high level" and "end game".
- ESO stating "Leveling", "Farming" and "Grinding", is not ESO main features. ESO even have game mechanics against this.
- One feature ESO offers is PvP. With Cyro "Fixed", this feature is offered as described. As well as coming features to PvP.
- One feature ESO offers is PvP warfare in Cyrodiil. This and the PvE part in Cyrodiil is offered as described.
- One major feature ESO offers is LORE, connected to everything in game. So far, delivered as described. NOTE: This feature may be a big reason for many "Good" suggestions can not be considered.
- Balance: Zenimax stated that balance is a never ending work and all skills in game, can at any time be "tweaked".
Right! These are facts. If they are right or wrong, is part of this thread!
Lets keep a VERY interesting discussion, with lots of ideas and views from several players, without the bashing on each other about what MMO "should" be?Edited by Cogo on July 14, 2014 7:39PMOghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
"My build? Improvise, overcome and adapt!"1 -
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✭The game had a lot of bugs at launch and that persisted for months. Many of those bugs were in beta and people were put off that the bugs were allowed to exist for so long. ZOS' attempts at fixes tended to make things worse and tended to be perceived as "quick fixes". Then there is the klunky UI, the horrible guild bank interface, lack of communication by ZOS with its player base, etc. Add on top of all that the subscription and the expectations of quality that come from having a subscription and you can understand why people left. Group think took over (if your friends poop on the game you don't want to be the one who still plays it, right? That's how kiddies think right?).
For the most part it is a very good game. ZOS does annoying things (like roll in VR levels (equivalent to 100 more normal levels in terms of time and effort) and then a month or two later plans to remove it for something called "Champions") and one can understand why people got fed up.
The good news is when the next round of players come in they will encounter an overall good game which I hope will become great. I hope the next wave of players consists of more than just console players as I play on PC and will never go to consoles.1 -
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✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Wrong again , since i have no means to directly stop my friends from buying the game.
I certanly dont not point a gun to their head at all times to stop them from buying this game.
They asked my opinion , i gave it to them:
Not worth their money.
Can they ignore me and buy the game anyway? Sure they can , but it is unlikely :P.
I just shared with my friends and in turn yes , costed the game 4 sales , which is nothing to a game like this.
I dont know about you , but my friends and i share what games we thought are good/bad/great and so on. We buy games based on this. We dont just tell each other nothing and wait the others to go play games we thought were bad. That is plain silly.
It's perfectly fine to share your opinion like that. What irritates me is when people make negative reviews about this game and go out of their way to slander the game, while most of their points aren't even valid.
Just like 95% reviews of ESO before launch? Seamed like no journalist had a first clue about any other MMO then WoW.
Imagine journalist using a successful mmo and model for comparison. Oh noes.
You mean the same people who called WoW a big joke and fail because it was not EQ?
There of different types of MMOs. Get used to it. Without any new MMO like EVE for example, who going their own way.....we only get 1 type. I like to have several to choose from.
yea but they were right, they just underestimated the playerbase's desire to have everything handed to them.
Well, if a given model has demonstrated a propensity to generate more revenue, why on earth would a company shun it?
Maybe because of what Matt said about ESO 5 year plan, the play style and VISION.
Edit: I am not very good with words.....
Anyone, wherever they are from, money or not, green or blue culture/values, the world STILL have creative, bold, innovative people who goes ahead with their idea, not only driven by money. :-)
Without these people, we all still would think the world was flat.Edited by Cogo on July 16, 2014 11:42PMOghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
"My build? Improvise, overcome and adapt!"1 -
LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭This is a great tread for discussions!
Yes, I wholeheartedly agree!!!! ESO has TREAD (trodden) all over us.
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LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »
Not only is that not true, it makes no sense.
The thing is this thread that makes no sense is your OP. 1 -
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✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Wrong again , since i have no means to directly stop my friends from buying the game.
I certanly dont not point a gun to their head at all times to stop them from buying this game.
They asked my opinion , i gave it to them:
Not worth their money.
Can they ignore me and buy the game anyway? Sure they can , but it is unlikely :P.
I just shared with my friends and in turn yes , costed the game 4 sales , which is nothing to a game like this.
I dont know about you , but my friends and i share what games we thought are good/bad/great and so on. We buy games based on this. We dont just tell each other nothing and wait the others to go play games we thought were bad. That is plain silly.
It's perfectly fine to share your opinion like that. What irritates me is when people make negative reviews about this game and go out of their way to slander the game, while most of their points aren't even valid.
Just like 95% reviews of ESO before launch? Seamed like no journalist had a first clue about any other MMO then WoW.
Imagine journalist using a successful mmo and model for comparison. Oh noes.
You mean the same people who called WoW a big joke and fail because it was not EQ?
There of different types of MMOs. Get used to it. Without any new MMO like EVE for example, who going their own way.....we only get 1 type. I like to have several to choose from.
yea but they were right, they just underestimated the playerbase's desire to have everything handed to them.
Well, if a given model has demonstrated a propensity to generate more revenue, why on earth would a company shun it?
Maybe because of what Matt said about ESO 5 year plan, the play style and VISION.
Of course they want to make cash, but the world still have creative people, even who are rich, got resources and bold enough to try something new and different.
Without them, we all still would think the world was flat.
I don't really feel like rich people are predisposed to invention or creativity any more than us plebeians.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
poodlemasterb16_ESO✭✭✭✭✭A useful thread. The various views well represented and not too much 'yo mama' stuff.
This is my first MMO and I have been playing games since Doom. I have some 70+ Steam games and some opinions about gaming in general and this one specifically. I would not have ever played an MMO if TES had not made one. None of the others, with the possible exception of EVE, have any attraction at all to me.
My favorite game, and this is now changing because of ESO, is Stalker. It's my favorite because it's not a hero game. The modern western shooters are designed to make you feel heroic, which I find laughable. Stalker is designed to humiliate you. Many people rage quit at the beginning when scuzzy bandits just hand you your ass on the first mission.
I have very much enjoyed playing a game where my 'hit any pixel on the screen now' skills don't mean much. I have had to learn an entire new way of fighting. Very good indeed. I have gotten almost good at it, not too surprising seeing it's what I do.
I can play this game about 4 to 6 levels below where I am supposed to bee. My own level stuff is a faceroll and has been for a while. I have little 'need' to group as I can make my missions fairly easily. I do enjoy grouping for the 4 man dungeons and my son and I have taken a couple by ourselves, great fun. I was just testing stuff the other day, in the start of the Riften one, my tough sorc pretending he is a DK, and along come a band of merry adventures. They watch me fool with the entry mobs and swept me up into a romp through that place. I put the tough sorc away, they all were sporting swords etc, hauled out the DPS sorc and we had fun.
I have the entire game in play as I had no idea what I was doing. I have 4 fighters, who knows what the difference is ... well I do now. My 2 completely different sorcs kinda rule. My DK is a lot of fun and is staring to rock. My NB is a joy, my son fights one very well and I'm learning burst assassination from him. My only Templars are crafters but I have one I could take through the game. I kill things, healing is new.
Much more of ESO and it will be my favorite game. I am a bit worried about the general nerf to difficulty but apart from that I'm very pleased.
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steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »The game is good. I enjoy it.
There are always going to be haters. The sooner they leave, the better.
Well apparently they were right. Which is what sent Zenimax into such a panic they immediately implemented plans to throw out the post L49 gameplay. It seems those of us who weren't happy are way more valuable to them than you and our opinions more in tune.
Maybe those people whose judgement of what was commercially viable were so far off should just keep quiet out of fear for what further damage their erroneous opinions might cause?
Deal?
No. I thought not.2 -
LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭poodlemasterb16_ESO wrote: »A useful thread. The various views well represented and not too much 'yo mama' stuff.
Yo mama...somebody had to do it
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✭steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »The game is good. I enjoy it.
There are always going to be haters. The sooner they leave, the better.
Well apparently they were right. Which is what sent Zenimax into such a panic they immediately implemented plans to throw out the post L49 gameplay. It seems those of us who weren't happy are way more valuable to them than you and our opinions more in tune.
Maybe those people whose judgement of what was commercially viable were so far off should just keep quiet out of fear for what further damage their erroneous opinions might cause?
Deal?
No. I thought not.
lol
I don't think them changing up vet ranks means that the people, assumingly including you, that come here just to bash and hate on the game are right. I think that's a rather large leap.
If you don't want to hear my opinion, feel free to not read my posts though.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.3 -
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✭✭"This game is great, but not many realize it."
One man's trash is another man's treasure.2 -
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✭Blackwidow wrote: »"This game is great, but not many realize it."
One man's trash is another man's treasure.
Um, shorty, I thought you told me you like ESO?
You making me confused again! Where am I!?Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
Orc Weapon Specialist and Warchief of the Ebonheart Pact - Trueflame Cyrodiil War Campaign
Guildsite: The Nephilim
"I don't agree with what you are saying, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it"
-Voltaire
"My build? Improvise, overcome and adapt!"3 -
Mr.Turtlesworth✭✭✭✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »
Not only is that not true, it makes no sense.
The thing is this thread that makes no sense is your OP.
If you find it too hard to understand, then that's your problem.I r robot
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LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭Blackwidow wrote: »"This game is great, but not many realize it."
Word order change incoming:
But many realize it; this game is not great Edited by LrdRahvin on July 14, 2014 7:51PM3
Lol