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This game is great, but not many realize it.
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Mr.Turtlesworth✭✭✭✭williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »Refreshing to see a post like this. Thanks.
Sure the game has room to grow and improve, but its nice to see a little positivity, in a place thats mostly known for blind anger.
This is the worst attitude. The OP post is not "positive" at all, it's just a passive-aggressive swipe at the large segment of player base that is constantly testing ESO and suggesting fixes and features.
There's a ton of these posts, and they aren't to add sunshine and rainbows, they're to attack other players, to tell them they're playing the game wrong and preclude them from coming here to talk about bugs, imbalances, and feature/content lack.
Here's a hint: If you're telling people their motivations, e.g. "No MMO is released perfect," "You expected the wrong thing," "You played it wrong and now don't have anything to do," "You're too picky," "Your expectations are wrong," you are not being a constructive, positive person at all. If you find yourself telling people what "they don't see," or "don't understand," or "just don't get," you're just hiding behind a facade of faux-positivity as an excuse to attack people.
Here's another hint: You're not helping anyone with that behavior. The devs don't want it. The company doesn't want it. The players using their brains and observational skills here certainly don't want it. This is jerk behavior--attacking people in order to "defend" things. Things are things. They don't need defending. In the meantime, you're being a jerk to people.
In short though, I was talking about people in YouTube and other forums talking about how bad this game was and that people need to try the game for themselves. And that people complain too much.
[Moderator Note: Edited per our rules on Rude and Insulting comments]Edited by ZOS_JuhoJ on July 13, 2014 3:26AMI r robot
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indytims_ESO✭✭✭✭My wife and I agree with the OP. This game does get a bad rap, and I think it's simply because a lot of people have unreasonable expectations. Sure, some folks have -reasonable- expectations, but a lot of the complaints I've read are simply ludicrous.
ESO was never sold as a continuation of Skyrim, or another chapter in the TES series. It is an MMO based on TES. Like many movies based on books, various changes are required, and a lot of TES hard-core fans aren't happy about it.
ESO isn't for everyone. There is no such thing as an MMO 'for everyone'. Some people will love it, some will hate it, and some will fall somewhere in between. But despite a few bugs here and there, the game has been a blast for my wife and I. A few bugs don't bother us, being MMO vets for 15-16 years, bugs simply come with the territory.1 -
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✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »This game gets a bad rap... And honestly I'm not sure why... People are focusing on all the negatives in this game ( and too be honest, I can't think of many except maybe that there's no arena or duel function ), but people don't realize that there is NO perfect mmo. I had fun in WoW, I had fun in a Tera, Perfect World, Last chaos, ect but I can't think of anything that they do better than this game. The speed of updates in this game puts WoW to shame. People are just too damn picky. Thank you Zenimax and Bethesda for making this game and your constant updates and fixes to the game are extremely impressive.
Great to see more positive views about ESO. It is not perfect and has a lot to fix, but as MMO goes...its awesome! ESO even started its own way, among MMOs.
Great post! And very nice to see reactions from others that doesn't shoot you down just for liking the game.
I made a similar post like this, about a month ago. The reactions was.....a bit different, to say the least.
Nice post!!!!
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Omnevolus✭✭✭NadiusMaximus wrote: »Fords didn't have seat belts for the first 40 years of its business.
If I start a car company today, can I tell my buyers" oh, don't worry about seat belts, Ford didn't have them either when they started. "
No, because they are seen by all people as being required.
There are certain things that are required in mmos now, that were not 5 or 15 years ago.
Most of this new fluff will be tomorrows seat belt.
Sorry, but I just gotta say something here. Cars like the model-T had a maximum speed of about 10 mph when FORD first started. Safety wasn't exactly a priority lol.
Anyway, this argument is not applicable to the subject at hand. Safety is something everyone can agree on, and our opinion of seat-belts does not alter their effectiveness.
The question of which features in an MMO should constitute a "requirement" (besides a game-world, perhaps a character to play, and some things, perhaps even other people, to interact and "play" with) is wholly influenced by subjective reasoning, preconceived notions, personal preferences, individual experience, etc. There are no features that are physically, or in fact, "required" to make a game "good." The question is entirely relative, as is any given person's idea of what is "good."
This whole issue is actually just one of stylistic preference. All it takes to change what is considered a "required" feature in an MMO, is changing people's minds about how they choose to perceive the value of a given feature in relation to the whole. What is "required" in an MMO to any given person may be quite different from what another person considers to be "required." Even what qualifies something as "required" is relative to each person's perception of what said features would be "required" for.
Changing people's minds about how they feel toward seat belts will only affect their mood when they get a ticket for not wearing one.
I love the game, but it does need some basic functions that have been in other games. This is the downfall of many mmos, they launch, they go "oh yeah we are going to do that latter" , by which time it's too late.
And there certainly will be. And if anyone stops to think about it, it's clear that we'll likely get them faster than other MMO's that have launched without features they planned to add later. ZOS, as others have pointed out, updates exponentially more often than probably any other MMO, ever.
However I question use of the word "need." That is complicated, and again, subjective/relative.
Needed now is true balancing, better trade ( I'm sick of chat spam), different chat channels, better grouping, and a true end game.
They're balancing, slowly but surely as is their intent, so I'm curious what you mean by "true." The rest is too much to get into, and not everyone agrees there are problems in any of those categories, much less all of them. Except the last one, I'd think.
It sucks I completed the "end" fight solo, that's not an mmo. The big bad guy at the end should be a twelve or 20 man fight.
I totally agree! It's Molag freakin' Bal. C'MON!Edited by Omnevolus on July 12, 2014 9:53PM0 -
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✭SuraklinPrime wrote: »The nature of the interweb?
People rarely take time out to say nice things on forums about anything whether its ESO or anything else.
Past MMO players will grumble because they want it to be a pastiche of all their favourite bits from other MMOs (where's the AH? why can't I duel? I miss corpse runs?).
Past TES players want TES online (Why can't I roam anywhere anytime? I want a difficulty slider? I don't want to have to group?).
Many want the familiar and will focus on the bits they don't like instead of the bits they do.
And the game does still have some flaws, much fewer than it did, but there are still enough to justify some genuine complaints too.
Personally if I wasn't enjoying most of it I wouldn't still be paying & playing.
Yea, corpse runs... who wouldn't want to do that all over again?Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.3 -
LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »The nature of the interweb?
People rarely take time out to say nice things on forums about anything whether its ESO or anything else.
Past MMO players will grumble because they want it to be a pastiche of all their favourite bits from other MMOs (where's the AH? why can't I duel? I miss corpse runs?).
Past TES players want TES online (Why can't I roam anywhere anytime? I want a difficulty slider? I don't want to have to group?).
Many want the familiar and will focus on the bits they don't like instead of the bits they do.
And the game does still have some flaws, much fewer than it did, but there are still enough to justify some genuine complaints too.
Personally if I wasn't enjoying most of it I wouldn't still be paying & playing.
Yea, corpse runs... who wouldn't want to do that all over again?
I'm an old schooler...People today think I'm nuts, but I miss the days of corpse runs (EQ) and xp-loss death penalties- including level loss(launch-era DAoC).
In fact, other than VAMPIRES, the biggest thing I was looking forward to with the WoD mmo (and no I don't mean Draenor for the WoW kiddies) until CCP shelved it, was their stated desire to have perma-death in the game.
So
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✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »The nature of the interweb?
People rarely take time out to say nice things on forums about anything whether its ESO or anything else.
Past MMO players will grumble because they want it to be a pastiche of all their favourite bits from other MMOs (where's the AH? why can't I duel? I miss corpse runs?).
Past TES players want TES online (Why can't I roam anywhere anytime? I want a difficulty slider? I don't want to have to group?).
Many want the familiar and will focus on the bits they don't like instead of the bits they do.
And the game does still have some flaws, much fewer than it did, but there are still enough to justify some genuine complaints too.
Personally if I wasn't enjoying most of it I wouldn't still be paying & playing.
Yea, corpse runs... who wouldn't want to do that all over again?
I'm an old schooler...People today think I'm nuts, but I miss the days of corpse runs (EQ) and xp-loss death penalties- including level loss(launch-era DAoC).
In fact, other than VAMPIRES, the biggest thing I was looking forward to with the WoD mmo (and no I don't mean Draenor for the WoW kiddies) until CCP shelved it, was their stated desire to have perma-death in the game.
So
EQ since 1999 here, all I can say is $%^% corpse runs, especially those with regards to plane of fear.
I've played in games with permadeath (MUDs actually) you just spend too much time developing characters in an mmo for that to be viable. I mean in a rogue-like, it's a positive, in an mmo, no.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.2 -
Mr.Turtlesworth✭✭✭✭indytims_ESO wrote: »My wife and I agree with the OP. This game does get a bad rap, and I think it's simply because a lot of people have unreasonable expectations. Sure, some folks have -reasonable- expectations, but a lot of the complaints I've read are simply ludicrous.
ESO was never sold as a continuation of Skyrim, or another chapter in the TES series. It is an MMO based on TES. Like many movies based on books, various changes are required, and a lot of TES hard-core fans aren't happy about it.
ESO isn't for everyone. There is no such thing as an MMO 'for everyone'. Some people will love it, some will hate it, and some will fall somewhere in between. But despite a few bugs here and there, the game has been a blast for my wife and I. A few bugs don't bother us, being MMO vets for 15-16 years, bugs simply come with the territory.
Excellent use of logic. Completely agree with you.
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Daethz✭✭✭The rate of content, impressive.
The rate of major balance issues, such as 1v100 vampires, shield bashing wtfopers, bow animationcancellingopness, and destrostaffoverallriggedness is/has gotten on my nerves.Waiting, and watching, for the return of Melee Weapons.
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Fleymark✭✭✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »The nature of the interweb?
People rarely take time out to say nice things on forums about anything whether its ESO or anything else.
Past MMO players will grumble because they want it to be a pastiche of all their favourite bits from other MMOs (where's the AH? why can't I duel? I miss corpse runs?).
Past TES players want TES online (Why can't I roam anywhere anytime? I want a difficulty slider? I don't want to have to group?).
Many want the familiar and will focus on the bits they don't like instead of the bits they do.
And the game does still have some flaws, much fewer than it did, but there are still enough to justify some genuine complaints too.
Personally if I wasn't enjoying most of it I wouldn't still be paying & playing.
Yea, corpse runs... who wouldn't want to do that all over again?
I'm an old schooler...People today think I'm nuts, but I miss the days of corpse runs (EQ) and xp-loss death penalties- including level loss(launch-era DAoC).
In fact, other than VAMPIRES, the biggest thing I was looking forward to with the WoD mmo (and no I don't mean Draenor for the WoW kiddies) until CCP shelved it, was their stated desire to have perma-death in the game.
So
EQ since 1999 here, all I can say is $%^% corpse runs, especially those with regards to plane of fear.
I've played in games with permadeath (MUDs actually) you just spend too much time developing characters in an mmo for that to be viable. I mean in a rogue-like, it's a positive, in an mmo, no.
There was a one off experimental perma death EQ server for a while a few years ago. Sony did a few interesting special ruleset servers like that for a while...one had players controlling mobs.
Think it was PvP too. Basically if you died you delevelled to 1 but kept all your gear and bank etc. And I think you kept your skills. Heard it was very fun. Really ramped up the teamwork factor and made for some very interesting play, I was told by someone who played it. I think somebody made it into the 30s before it shut down. Kind wish I tried it but was wrapped up in raiding with my main at the time.
I miss the harder games also. The new games are fun but wish there was a more challenging option right now besides the older games. Been tempted to check out EVE but not particularly into the space thing.0 -
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✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »SuraklinPrime wrote: »The nature of the interweb?
People rarely take time out to say nice things on forums about anything whether its ESO or anything else.
Past MMO players will grumble because they want it to be a pastiche of all their favourite bits from other MMOs (where's the AH? why can't I duel? I miss corpse runs?).
Past TES players want TES online (Why can't I roam anywhere anytime? I want a difficulty slider? I don't want to have to group?).
Many want the familiar and will focus on the bits they don't like instead of the bits they do.
And the game does still have some flaws, much fewer than it did, but there are still enough to justify some genuine complaints too.
Personally if I wasn't enjoying most of it I wouldn't still be paying & playing.
Yea, corpse runs... who wouldn't want to do that all over again?
I'm an old schooler...People today think I'm nuts, but I miss the days of corpse runs (EQ) and xp-loss death penalties- including level loss(launch-era DAoC).
In fact, other than VAMPIRES, the biggest thing I was looking forward to with the WoD mmo (and no I don't mean Draenor for the WoW kiddies) until CCP shelved it, was their stated desire to have perma-death in the game.
So
EQ since 1999 here, all I can say is $%^% corpse runs, especially those with regards to plane of fear.
I've played in games with permadeath (MUDs actually) you just spend too much time developing characters in an mmo for that to be viable. I mean in a rogue-like, it's a positive, in an mmo, no.
There was a one off experimental perma death EQ server for a while a few years ago. Sony did a few interesting special ruleset servers like that for a while...one had players controlling mobs.
Think it was PvP too. Basically if you died you delevelled to 1 but kept all your gear and bank etc. And I think you kept your skills. Heard it was very fun. Really ramped up the teamwork factor and made for some very interesting play, I was told by someone who played it. I think somebody made it into the 30s before it shut down. Kind wish I tried it but was wrapped up in raiding with my main at the time.
I miss the harder games also. The new games are fun but wish there was a more challenging option right now besides the older games. Been tempted to check out EVE but not particularly into the space thing.
ugh doesn't sound fun. EQ was a grindfest. Doing that over and over and over for what I already had... no.
I never liked early platform games because of the repetition, if you died you started all over. I don't think most people would enjoy permadeath. If I invest a lot of time in a character, I don't want to lose that time.Dear Sister, I do not spread rumors, I create them.1 -
Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »Refreshing to see a post like this. Thanks.
Sure the game has room to grow and improve, but its nice to see a little positivity, in a place thats mostly known for blind anger.
This is the worst attitude. The OP post is not "positive" at all, it's just a passive-aggressive swipe at the large segment of player base that is constantly testing ESO and suggesting fixes and features.
There's a ton of these posts, and they aren't to add sunshine and rainbows, they're to attack other players, to tell them they're playing the game wrong and preclude them from coming here to talk about bugs, imbalances, and feature/content lack.
Here's a hint: If you're telling people their motivations, e.g. "No MMO is released perfect," "You expected the wrong thing," "You played it wrong and now don't have anything to do," "You're too picky," "Your expectations are wrong," you are not being a constructive, positive person at all. If you find yourself telling people what "they don't see," or "don't understand," or "just don't get," you're just hiding behind a facade of faux-positivity as an excuse to attack people.
Here's another hint: You're not helping anyone with that behavior. The devs don't want it. The company doesn't want it. The players using their brains and observational skills here certainly don't want it. This is jerk behavior--attacking people in order to "defend" things. Things are things. They don't need defending. In the meantime, you're being a jerk to people.
In short though, I was talking about people in YouTube and other forums talking about how bad this game was and that people need to try the game for themselves. And that people complain too much.
I just nailed your post to the door, dude. Do you not understand where you are here? Did you get lost on your way to comment on Youtube or other forums? I ask because you posted here, not those other places you mention.
I understand what you said. As I said, if you find yourself saying that another person, or another group of people "doesn't get" what you're saying, then the problem is most likely in you. If you find yourself defending a product against people, then the problem is you. ESO is not your girlfriend, dude. You don't have to defend its honor.
[Moderator Note: Edited quote to match moderated version]Edited by ZOS_JuhoJ on July 13, 2014 3:29AM1 -
Mr.Turtlesworth✭✭✭✭williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »Refreshing to see a post like this. Thanks.
Sure the game has room to grow and improve, but its nice to see a little positivity, in a place thats mostly known for blind anger.
This is the worst attitude. The OP post is not "positive" at all, it's just a passive-aggressive swipe at the large segment of player base that is constantly testing ESO and suggesting fixes and features.
There's a ton of these posts, and they aren't to add sunshine and rainbows, they're to attack other players, to tell them they're playing the game wrong and preclude them from coming here to talk about bugs, imbalances, and feature/content lack.
Here's a hint: If you're telling people their motivations, e.g. "No MMO is released perfect," "You expected the wrong thing," "You played it wrong and now don't have anything to do," "You're too picky," "Your expectations are wrong," you are not being a constructive, positive person at all. If you find yourself telling people what "they don't see," or "don't understand," or "just don't get," you're just hiding behind a facade of faux-positivity as an excuse to attack people.
Here's another hint: You're not helping anyone with that behavior. The devs don't want it. The company doesn't want it. The players using their brains and observational skills here certainly don't want it. This is jerk behavior--attacking people in order to "defend" things. Things are things. They don't need defending. In the meantime, you're being a jerk to people.
In short though, I was talking about people in YouTube and other forums talking about how bad this game was and that people need to try the game for themselves. And that people complain too much.
I can read, I can read where you responded to the OP post. Then my post was about the OP post, and your brown-nosing endorsement of the OP post. Do you not understand where you are here? Did you get lost on your way to comment on Youtube or other forums? I ask because you posted here, not those other places you mention.
I understand what you said. As I said, if you find yourself saying that another person, or another group of people "doesn't get" what you're saying, then the problem is most likely in you.
Ok
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Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »This game gets a bad rap... And honestly I'm not sure why... People are focusing on all the negatives in this game ( and too be honest, I can't think of many except maybe that there's no arena or duel function ), but people don't realize that there is NO perfect mmo. I had fun in WoW, I had fun in a Tera, Perfect World, Last chaos, ect but I can't think of anything that they do better than this game. The speed of updates in this game puts WoW to shame. People are just too damn picky. Thank you Zenimax and Bethesda for making this game and your constant updates and fixes to the game are extremely impressive.
-Negatives outweigh the positives, easier to pick out what is readily available ; broken abilities, mechanics, exploits, bugs, glitches, unrewarding raids, etc
-That there is no duelling or arenas is a positive (pointless features that would also be easily exploited)
-Having fun in other games has nothing to do with your experience or ours in the game in question.
-The speed of updates is alarming as they are all focused around fixing breaks that cause more breaks or introducing more broken content.
Shame zos seems to have no idea how poorly they executed a game that had the greatest potential in the mmo genre in the last 5 years. Players are not to picky, they deserve better product for their money and certainly a better line of communication concerning month long game breaking features such as memory leaks and fps dumps. Regardless, they are happy for you.
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Mr.Turtlesworth✭✭✭✭Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »This game gets a bad rap... And honestly I'm not sure why... People are focusing on all the negatives in this game ( and too be honest, I can't think of many except maybe that there's no arena or duel function ), but people don't realize that there is NO perfect mmo. I had fun in WoW, I had fun in a Tera, Perfect World, Last chaos, ect but I can't think of anything that they do better than this game. The speed of updates in this game puts WoW to shame. People are just too damn picky. Thank you Zenimax and Bethesda for making this game and your constant updates and fixes to the game are extremely impressive.
-Negatives outweigh the positives, easier to pick out what is readily available ; broken abilities, mechanics, exploits, bugs, glitches, unrewarding raids, etc
-That there is no duelling or arenas is a positive (pointless features that would also be easily exploited)
-Having fun in other games has nothing to do with your experience or ours in the game in question.
-The speed of updates is alarming as they are all focused around fixing breaks that cause more breaks or introducing more broken content.
Shame zos seems to have no idea how poorly they executed a game that had the greatest potential in the mmo genre in the last 5 years. Players are not to picky, they deserve better product for their money and certainly a better line of communication concerning month long game breaking features such as memory leaks and fps dumps. Regardless, they are happy for you.
I EXTREMELY disagree. I think the positives far outweigh the few negatives. Again I'm not trying to change peoples opinions. The whole point is that It's unfair to bash the mmo in YouTube and stuff.. ahh nevermind.I r robot
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Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »Fuzzylumpkins wrote: »Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »This game gets a bad rap... And honestly I'm not sure why... People are focusing on all the negatives in this game ( and too be honest, I can't think of many except maybe that there's no arena or duel function ), but people don't realize that there is NO perfect mmo. I had fun in WoW, I had fun in a Tera, Perfect World, Last chaos, ect but I can't think of anything that they do better than this game. The speed of updates in this game puts WoW to shame. People are just too damn picky. Thank you Zenimax and Bethesda for making this game and your constant updates and fixes to the game are extremely impressive.
-Negatives outweigh the positives, easier to pick out what is readily available ; broken abilities, mechanics, exploits, bugs, glitches, unrewarding raids, etc
-That there is no duelling or arenas is a positive (pointless features that would also be easily exploited)
-Having fun in other games has nothing to do with your experience or ours in the game in question.
-The speed of updates is alarming as they are all focused around fixing breaks that cause more breaks or introducing more broken content.
Shame zos seems to have no idea how poorly they executed a game that had the greatest potential in the mmo genre in the last 5 years. Players are not to picky, they deserve better product for their money and certainly a better line of communication concerning month long game breaking features such as memory leaks and fps dumps. Regardless, they are happy for you.
I EXTREMELY disagree. I think the positives far outweigh the few negatives. Again I'm not trying to change peoples opinions. The whole point is that It's unfair to bash the mmo in YouTube and stuff.. ahh nevermind.
Agree or disagree is does not change the fact there are more problems than you believe there are. The amount of negative press the games gets is merited. It alone stands to show how many issues still exist. Other games you mentioned have as well taken bruises for decisions made but not until well after they had peaked. It certainly was not from the word go and not for this length of time concerning the exact same issues.
Also we don't talk about things we don't care about. We also do not get passionate about things we do not care about. That people still talk about it says they as well feel burned by something they cared enough about to try and then acknowledge it has issues.
It was a great experience, even considering all the astrociuos glicthes and breaks, at release. Right up until the end of cold harbour. It would have stood alone better as an rpg with 3 campaigns instead of a chaotic mess that wants to be an mmo. That of course is personal opinion and very well shared.
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✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Wrong again , since i have no means to directly stop my friends from buying the game.
I certanly dont not point a gun to their head at all times to stop them from buying this game.
They asked my opinion , i gave it to them:
Not worth their money.
Can they ignore me and buy the game anyway? Sure they can , but it is unlikely :P.
I just shared with my friends and in turn yes , costed the game 4 sales , which is nothing to a game like this.
I dont know about you , but my friends and i share what games we thought are good/bad/great and so on. We buy games based on this. We dont just tell each other nothing and wait the others to go play games we thought were bad. That is plain silly."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Mr.Turtlesworth✭✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Wrong again , since i have no means to directly stop my friends from buying the game.
I certanly dont not point a gun to their head at all times to stop them from buying this game.
They asked my opinion , i gave it to them:
Not worth their money.
Can they ignore me and buy the game anyway? Sure they can , but it is unlikely :P.
I just shared with my friends and in turn yes , costed the game 4 sales , which is nothing to a game like this.
I dont know about you , but my friends and i share what games we thought are good/bad/great and so on. We buy games based on this. We dont just tell each other nothing and wait the others to go play games we thought were bad. That is plain silly.
It's perfectly fine to share your opinion like that. What irritates me is when people make negative reviews about this game and go out of their way to slander the game, while most of their points aren't even valid.I r robot
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✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Wrong again , since i have no means to directly stop my friends from buying the game.
I certanly dont not point a gun to their head at all times to stop them from buying this game.
They asked my opinion , i gave it to them:
Not worth their money.
Can they ignore me and buy the game anyway? Sure they can , but it is unlikely :P.
I just shared with my friends and in turn yes , costed the game 4 sales , which is nothing to a game like this.
I dont know about you , but my friends and i share what games we thought are good/bad/great and so on. We buy games based on this. We dont just tell each other nothing and wait the others to go play games we thought were bad. That is plain silly.
It's perfectly fine to share your opinion like that. What irritates me is when people make negative reviews about this game and go out of their way to slander the game, while most of their points aren't even valid.
Just like 95% reviews of ESO before launch? Seamed like no journalist had a first clue about any other MMO then WoW.Oghur Hatemachine, Guild leader of The Nephilim - EU Megaserver
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Esha76✭✭✭✭✭This game has gotten a ton of unfair criticism from the start. So many people had different expectations of what they thought this game should have been, and when it turned out to be something they didn’t expect, they started slamming it. So many people in the gaming community think their opinion is Law – then get overly worked up about it with others who like or dislike the game. One of the best zone chat lines I ever saw was in Malab Tor one day – “Yay opinions! My favorite part of the Internet!”
I strongly suspect the investors of this game told the devs to launch when they weren’t ready. I was in this thing’s beta from the second weekend. When I saw a 4/4 launch date I only thought “Uh-oh.” I have seen a variety of problems with this game since launch. Various people were hit by different bugs, and no one in the community really knew what was going on so things turned toxic fast.
But I have to say, the devs have not been sitting around doing nothing. I think they have been doing a ton of work, perhaps even scrambling, to fix a variety of things. But no matter what they do, there will be a percentage of people who will still find fault with everything. Some cases very justified (301 for example) but some others.... “How dare you implement armor dyes when my Khajit’s whiskers are not long enough! Fix your game breaking bugs!!!”
I am guilty of sending some very heated /feedbacks, and in retrospect regret doing so. But today, I love this game, and I am greatly looking forward to see where they go with it. I love the minor details. Things like your character having to take a mini step to brace themselves after running. Daylight- you can tell the difference between dawn and dusk by the world illumination. Small things make a big difference.
I also think ZOS is aware of the short comings, and are working to improve everything as a whole. Though their results may not be what certain people want nor done on their schedule. I think many people need to stop being so focused on what they think things should be, and enjoy what they have. If not, there are other games out there that will be more suited to what they are looking for.
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Fuzzylumpkins✭✭✭✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again?
Wrong again , since i have no means to directly stop my friends from buying the game.
I certanly dont not point a gun to their head at all times to stop them from buying this game.
They asked my opinion , i gave it to them:
Not worth their money.
Can they ignore me and buy the game anyway? Sure they can , but it is unlikely :P.
I just shared with my friends and in turn yes , costed the game 4 sales , which is nothing to a game like this.
I dont know about you , but my friends and i share what games we thought are good/bad/great and so on. We buy games based on this. We dont just tell each other nothing and wait the others to go play games we thought were bad. That is plain silly.
It's perfectly fine to share your opinion like that. What irritates me is when people make negative reviews about this game and go out of their way to slander the game, while most of their points aren't even valid.
Just like 95% reviews of ESO before launch? Seamed like no journalist had a first clue about any other MMO then WoW.
Imagine journalist using a successful mmo and model for comparison. Oh noes.
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✭✭Such a sad state of mind you must have if you believe there is a hidden agenda behind every polite gesture or positive review.
The OP is refreshing. Some of you are trying to flame him because he has a positive outlook on the game. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
Yes this game has problems. But the foundation is outstanding and zos doesn't seem to be afraid to spend money on improvements and changes. Just listen to a developer interview and you will quickly understand how passionate they are. The champion system and other changes in the near future sound great.
I believe the game has bottomed out and we will start to see the population stabalize and begin to grow again very shortly.
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Yes its a great game, right now the best PvP game for me.
No, please don't do that! Don't call ESO best PVP game. Everything that this game has to offer is copied from GW2 - almost every single concept. Changed a bit, labeled differently, that's all ZOS did. And funny thing is, in GW2 there are no lags, no server-originated fps issues - its all smooth. Hundreds fight, hundreds besiege, hundreds lift those sieges with zero problems.
Thing is that game is that it has no PvE endgame - which where ESO should come in, swinging and yelling But ESO doesn't have that either, which is a ridiculous situation for a franchise which fames itself with awesome lore and story.
Additionally, all these posts we all make, regardless us being pro- or against- posters, they are not about opinions. Rather about tastes. And as years pass and we play MMOs, we find some nice points in them, some frustrating ones. Those factors accumulate and as later MMOs launche, we compare things based on those accumulated factors. Simply put: the later MMO is launched, the more accumulated factors exist and the more criticism that MMO receives. That's quite natural and expected thing. Problem is that, MMO developers don't realize this as a fact: the newer your game is, the more extensive tests it should go through - UIX wise, design wise, stability wise, infrastructure wise etc etc -, the more bug-proof it should be. But everything just boils down to money grab for this or that reason, and here we are now, stuck with potentially awesome game that ... simply lacks in many departments. Same we lived during SWTOR (another awesome franchise with great potentials), and we know where they are now. Hope the same doesn't happen to ESO!
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✭The game is good. I enjoy it.
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✭IMO ESO is a good MMO, with a few glaring shortcomings, if addressed, would make it a very good MMO.
That stated, think its a fair TES game.Crotchety Old Man Guild
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✭✭✭smeeprocketnub19_ESO wrote: »The game is good. I enjoy it.
There are always going to be haters. The sooner they leave, the better.
Most of the haters have already left. We do still have people who bash it but not because they hate it. They enjoy the game but they want it to get better. Unfortunately they don't know how to do it in a constructive manner so they just come off as bashing and hating on it.1 -
I'm doing a lot more PvP now and enjoying it. A lot of the problems it had have been resolved. Unfortunately I fear it maybe be a little late. Its much harder to draw people back to a game than for a second time than it is at launch. I really can't understand why big AAA titles just don't understand this. I know they have shareholders and accountants to appease but surely even they can see that retaining that massive wave of optimism at the launch of a game is far easier than launching a sub par game and frantically trying to fix it post launch while the optimism turns to disappointment and you player base all leave for something else.
No matter how much effort you put in then its too late. You will never have that mass of people trying your game ever again in its history. it's a make or break opportunity.
Aww c'mon quit it already, the game has been out for 3 months! When will you people understand this is normal. Honestly think about it 3 months.
If we would be 12 months further, and it was still in a bad shape, okay then there would be room for discussion. But 3 months?
The game has barely been released, even final fantasy had a total reboot and it still going strong, did they went the F2P route?
Its not an opinion its fact. The game is losing players at a phenomenal rate. The success of an MMO relies on how many of the massive numbers they can retain at launch. Especially one charging a sub. Wildstar isn't even a particularly good game but more people are playing it than are playing ESO.
Hmm,
I spoke to a Dev a while ago and I asked him "what do you think must an MMO have to survive?".
That person said, an MMO doesn't need 13 million players like wow once had - if you get a few loyal maybe 500k then you are all settled. The basics are done, what follows are minor updates and improvements, you can settle down the costs for your project, also if less players play, less support will be needed that's why many companies hand out jobs like crazy before the game is about to start, just to fire those after a few months.
Too many companies make the mistake of running for the masses, but masses you can control very hard. If you have 5 million players, then the chances are big that you have 5 different types of players and if you cater to them all, your costs will rise exponentially and you still lose players as nobody will be happy with their piece of the cake."
So what do we learn from that?
A loyal gamer is more important than a whiner that only plays at release or when a new xpac is around.
WS does focus on hardcore gamers, if they maintain a few hundred k of them, then I am sure they will survive.
ESO right now is still trying to please everyone, the VR nerf for example tried to hold the "not so well playing" citizens in the game, while it annoyed those who play decently good.
As sooner ZO does decide which gamer they support, as better it will be and the subs should stay on a decent level.
That whole fluctuation right now is due the "what will we do" attitude of ZO, they just need to settle down and realize who they want to play their game. WS is a step further there and that's why they seem to have a more steady community, even though the game has many bugs still and a lot of complaints like their gold system sees a total revamp.
That said WS has another big "plus" that helps them a lot. The game on max level is supposed to last many months, at ESO due the nerf and the wrong Craglorn patch, the game at max level has seen a big decline sadly.
For instance,
at WS it takes someone about 6 months to reach what players in ESO reach in a week of Craglorn (max Vet Rank). It also takes a long grind to get ready for raiding, at ESO everyone can instantly go to a Trial no attunements needed.
This all cuts the max level game short or enhances it, while WS lacks stuff for Casuals, it has a lot for those that it was designed for.
ESO is a great game, but things like the VR nerf, the 1.3 guild system or the trial system just don't fit to each other. On the one hand they want us to play with others, yet they remove the group content that VR was, but at the same time all the benefits except the dye system in 1.3 are for groups and guilds.
It just doesn't make sense.
In my opinion ZO has to decide for something and then stick to it, that's how you win loyal subs.
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Shaun98ca2✭✭✭✭✭shehieb17_ESO wrote: »
Thing is that game is that it has no PvE endgame - which where ESO should come in, swinging and yellingYes its a great game, right now the best PvP game for me. But ESO doesn't have that either, which is a ridiculous situation for a franchise which fames itself with awesome lore and story.
What does "endgame" have anything to do with an awesome lore and story????
This games lore and story are awesome. I don't see a NEED for an "endgame".
The game needs more "content" but "endgame" is not one of them. I played to many MMOs that try to have endgame and that's boring doing the same things over and over and over again at nausea just to do something ELSE again over and over at nausea.
Story.... this games got it and needs to focus on it. Its the experience from 1-VR12 following an amazing story. All they need to do is keep adding more story to follow. Endgame starts at level 1 enjoy it.
As for the PVP comment. This PVP was lifted from DAoC more than anything and so far the PVP experience has been a good one for me. Might have been unplayable at times but game is still new and now most the FPS for PVP have seemed to been solved as I cant get into Wabbajack as its packed.1
Lol