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This game is great, but not many realize it.
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Omnevolus✭✭✭williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »It's good that you're enjoying the game as is. Others aren't. But if you cannot imagine what other games have and this one is currently missing then I really cannot believe you've played many MMO's.
Please do tell what other mmo's have that this one hasn't? I consider myself a mmorpg vet, there is little I haven't touched and I started with DAOC.
Auction House (all of them) - subjective
Multiple Spec (Warcraft, Rift, others) - more specific?
More than one PVP option (all of them) - Not necessarily at launch
Tiered rewards for endgame content (all of them) - ZOS is bringing them in.
Housing (most of them) - Not necessarily at launch.
Sidekick/Exemplar system (City of Heroes (defunct) boy do I miss this feature) - subjective/stylistic
Pet Commands (most MMOs with pets) - rudimentary but now implemented.
Raids (most MMOs) - Trials. Set to expand.
Unique gear (all of them) - bringing them in, but subjective/stylistic
Achievement rewards (most of them) - such as?
More than 1 "heroic"-style dungeon (most of them) - there are at least 15+
PVE/PVP faction "Reputations" (nearly all others) - stylistic
Customize-able UI (nearly all others) - subjective/stylistic
For my money, ESO has the best graphics, most immersive environment, and quite possibly the most potential of any MMO I've seen in the last several years, but let's not get all hyperbolic and claim that it already has everything a good MMO should. There's plenty of room to implement features that other games have, that just increase the quality of play.
Totally agree with everything in the last paragraph, but most of the other things are highly subjective as features that an MMO needs to have to be good.
I realize that is not your point, just using your post to make one of my own lol. Sorry!6 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭Add to this list:
Flying.
Underwater exploration.
Player made content
Dailies
Manufacturing and trading
Ships
The list can go on.
But no doubt as ESO develops it'll get broader but as it stands it's a pretty narrow focused combat game with up until VR1, interesting questing.
There's very little that would have raised an eyebrow if it'd come out in 2004 except for graphics. Which is fine if that's what it wants to be. Nothing wrong with wanting to be a great combat focused MMO, apart from the risk of being rendered instantly obsolete by a good next-gen game.
But to say that other games don't offer more is preposterous.3 -
Omnevolus✭✭✭I'm doing a lot more PvP now and enjoying it. A lot of the problems it had have been resolved. Unfortunately I fear it maybe be a little late. Its much harder to draw people back to a game than for a second time than it is at launch. I really can't understand why big AAA titles just don't understand this. I know they have shareholders and accountants to appease but surely even they can see that retaining that massive wave of optimism at the launch of a game is far easier than launching a sub par game and frantically trying to fix it post launch while the optimism turns to disappointment and you player base all leave for something else.
No matter how much effort you put in then its too late. You will never have that mass of people trying your game ever again in its history. it's a make or break opportunity.
Aww c'mon quit it already, the game has been out for 3 months! When will you people understand this is normal. Honestly think about it 3 months.
If we would be 12 months further, and it was still in a bad shape, okay then there would be room for discussion. But 3 months?
The game has barely been released, even final fantasy had a total reboot and it still going strong, did they went the F2P route?
Its not an opinion its fact. The game is losing players at a phenomenal rate. The success of an MMO relies on how many of the massive numbers they can retain at launch. Especially one charging a sub. Wildstar isn't even a particularly good game but more people are playing it than are playing ESO.
This is simply untrue.
SMH
More people are playing WS right now than ESO. That's a fact and I posted a link. Denying a fact doesn't stop if from being a fact.
As another poster already said, "flavor of the month." As I already said, "Actually, these are normal and predictable trends. The only difference in this case, is everyone is making a much bigger deal out of it than is necessary. Exponentially so." And as raptr said, "note that these rankings are only based on hours played by those who use Raptr for each play session."
Also, Raptr, nor anyone else, does not have actual numbers for ESO, so these results are merely speculative, based on a very small sample size, and not even occupying the proper context to make an extrapolated assertion such as yours.
I've never even heard of raptr, much less use it. It is not representative of any "fact." Not even close.
And this: "The success of an MMO relies on how many of the massive numbers they can retain at launch."
Is not true either. A universal for this speculation does not exist, as it does not apply to every MMO that has ever come out. Many successful MMO's have seen their subscriber base rise MUCH higher than launch, even up to years after release.1 -
steveb16_ESO46✭✭✭✭✭Many successful MMO's have seen their subscriber base rise MUCH higher than launch, even up to years after release.
Quite. Successful MMO's garner not lose subscriptions as a trend and if the trends were not looking bad Zen would not be making such drastic changes so soon.
I hope it works.0 -
Mr.Turtlesworth✭✭✭✭I'm doing a lot more PvP now and enjoying it. A lot of the problems it had have been resolved. Unfortunately I fear it maybe be a little late. Its much harder to draw people back to a game than for a second time than it is at launch. I really can't understand why big AAA titles just don't understand this. I know they have shareholders and accountants to appease but surely even they can see that retaining that massive wave of optimism at the launch of a game is far easier than launching a sub par game and frantically trying to fix it post launch while the optimism turns to disappointment and you player base all leave for something else.
No matter how much effort you put in then its too late. You will never have that mass of people trying your game ever again in its history. it's a make or break opportunity.
Aww c'mon quit it already, the game has been out for 3 months! When will you people understand this is normal. Honestly think about it 3 months.
If we would be 12 months further, and it was still in a bad shape, okay then there would be room for discussion. But 3 months?
The game has barely been released, even final fantasy had a total reboot and it still going strong, did they went the F2P route?
Its not an opinion its fact. The game is losing players at a phenomenal rate. The success of an MMO relies on how many of the massive numbers they can retain at launch. Especially one charging a sub. Wildstar isn't even a particularly good game but more people are playing it than are playing ESO.
This is simply untrue.
SMH
More people are playing WS right now than ESO. That's a fact and I posted a link. Denying a fact doesn't stop if from being a fact.
I tried the wildstar beta and I really couldn't play past level 10... It was just.. Awful... I can't even IMAGINE more people playing that than ESO.I r robot
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Cyanhide✭✭✭steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »Add to this list:
Flying.
Underwater exploration.
Player made content
Dailies
Manufacturing and trading
Ships
The list can go on.
My god you people are awfull! I read the comments,
WoW launch was a mess, people who actually were in WoW will agree and say it was far from perfect as everyone make it seem.
WoW came out with little to no content, most of this stuff was introduced via expansion packs. Which came a lot slower then a month after launch.
The list SteveB is giving is basically Archage. And a bit of Ryzom/Anarchy Online, but I doubt most of you will know those last games.
Most of this list are post-launch features. The content drop we get every month is larger then any other mmo out there, yes even Wildstar, their first drop is Strain, 2 rehashed zones, 1 extra armour a few house items and that's it. The difference is, they hype it up so much, people believe its a "content" drop.
I really wish some of you would hop to another mmo and feel the difference.More people are playing WS right now than ESO. That's a fact and I posted a link. Denying a fact doesn't stop if from being a fact.
That's a fact( and I won't deny that), but you took this fact to prove ESO will go F2P and is going downhill. And that is wrong and twisting "facts". This proves nothing, this just proves people wanted to see the new flavor. Some will return, some won't, the same will happen when the new WoW expansion will come.
Its the natural course of every mmo.
@ williamburr2001b14_ESO
That list you gave is bullox, yes you can find all these features in differentmmo's but name me one that has them all.
And half that stuff you posted was post-launch features where people had to wait for months.
You guys are expecting the impossible, this isn't a damn singleplayer.
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Omnevolus✭✭✭eventide03b14a_ESO wrote: »it's become unplayable. I have lost interest in PvP because it's already hard enough to fight V12's without trying to do so at 8 FPS. There are still broken quests and the crafted items are constantly broken. So basically:
- Crafting-Broken
- PvP-Broken
- PvE-Broken
Awesome that you supposedly love the game (maybe we should be saying "used to" love it? lol) but this seems a little unfair.
Crafting is not broken. An item here and there does not qualify this assertion. And in my experience, I have not had this happen at all.
PvP is not broken. It's fixed, even if not optimal. Not really a fair assertion, I don't think.
PvE is not broken. Just like every other category, progress is made or eventually made to fix things. But mainly, in my journey from bottom to top, I literally had 2 broken quest experiences, both directly related to recent developments, and since fixed, quests completed.
Characters, classes, abilities, imbalances = all works in progress in any MMO. I can concede the point that it may seem inordinate in particular cases here, but I really can't see how placing any of these things into the category of "nothing works, all currently broken, nothing to play" is reasonable at all.2 -
Cyanhide✭✭✭steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »Many successful MMO's have seen their subscriber base rise MUCH higher than launch, even up to years after release.
Quite. Successful MMO's garner not lose subscriptions as a trend and if the trends were not looking bad Zen would not be making such drastic changes so soon.
I hope it works.
Again with the half ***s baked comments, Zen isn't making drastic changes, Zenimax is doing what every mmorpg does after launch, just at a more rapid tempo.
They aren't changing the game, they listen and watch. Some things work on paper other things don't. We all want ESO to succeed, but every action they take we will burn to the ground?
Veteran change : Bring out the pitchforks
Dye's : Bring out the pitchforks
Class changes : Bring out the pitchforks.
Edited by Cyanhide on July 11, 2014 3:51PM1 -
Heraclea✭✭✭It's like most other MMOs out there three and a half months out from launch. There are going to be issues. But there's plenty to do in the interim while we wait for them to revamp veteran content and turn it into something fun, and make weapon damage and stamina builds viable.
I still think that levels 1 through 50 are for the most part golden. Make 50 true max level, speed up levelling a little, and let players experience the variety the game has to offer.Hircine loves me, this I know,
Your intestines told me so.
Quæ tam fera immanisque natura? - Cicero1 -
Mr.Turtlesworth✭✭✭✭Nobody had to convince me to play Skyrim almost every day for three years.
If you like ESO, you play. If you're meh about ESO, you play till something better comes along.
It's that simple, no epiphany required.
I'm not convincing you to play it. I would prefer a larger player base but that's not the point I'm trying to get across. People on YouTube and other forums ( who may or may not have even played the game! ) literally slander this game for reasons that they HEARD or SAW on other forums or YouTube videos; most of which are incorrect accusations ( watch the Angry Joe review for example. Millions of views, 95% likes. While most of the reasons he talked about were fixed or weren't even a problem to begin with.)
Anyway.. I'm just saying it's not fair to slander a game when you haven't played it and/or you have no experience reviewing mmos. *cough* angryjoeshow *cough*Edited by Mr.Turtlesworth on July 11, 2014 3:58PMI r robot
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Arthur_Spoonfondle✭✭✭✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »This game gets a bad rap... And honestly I'm not sure why... People are focusing on all the negatives in this game ( and too be honest, I can't think of many except maybe that there's no arena or duel function ), but people don't realize that there is NO perfect mmo. I had fun in WoW, I had fun in a Tera, Perfect World, Last chaos, ect but I can't think of anything that they do better than this game. The speed of updates in this game puts WoW to shame. People are just too damn picky. Thank you Zenimax and Bethesda for making this game and your constant updates and fixes to the game are extremely impressive.
Well said but, remember all game forums are the same, mostly populated by people who like nothing better than to moan.
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Cyanhide✭✭✭Mr.Turtlesworth wrote: »N... People on YouTube and other forums ( who may or may not have even played the game! ) literally slander this game for reasons that they HEARD or SAW on other forums or YouTube videos; most of which are incorrect accusations ( watch the Angry Joe review for example. Millions of views, 95% likes. While most of the reasons he talked about were fixed or weren't even a problem to begin with.)
Anyway.. I'm just saying it's not fair to slander a game when you haven't played it and/or you have no experience reviewing mmos. *cough* angryjoeshow *cough*
This right here, A thousand agrees, it's just an effing hype to bash this game. And honestly its ruining ESO's name.
A show like AngryJoeShow? The guy makes money to bash games. Anywho Ty for putting in words what I couldn't
Edited by Cyanhide on July 11, 2014 4:01PM2 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
Only reason i stay around and bet they will add something good is because im a huge TES fan myself."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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Cyanhide✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
Well if your friends like mmorpgs you gave some pretty bad advice lol. ( emphasis on mmorpg)2 -
Omnevolus✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.4 -
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✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
Well if your friends like mmorpgs you gave some pretty bad advice lol. ( emphasis on mmorpg)
:P if you say so.
I played my share of MMOs , would tell my friends to buy GW2 over TES any day of the week , if we only consider gameplay.
On lore TES is ofc better , not really because ESO , but it does profit over what the other games that came before it did."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
-Hanlon's razor1 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
-Hanlon's razor0 -
Omnevolus✭✭✭steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »Many successful MMO's have seen their subscriber base rise MUCH higher than launch, even up to years after release.
Quite. Successful MMO's garner not lose subscriptions as a trend and if the trends were not looking bad Zen would not be making such drastic changes so soon.
I hope it works.
Again with the half ***s baked comments, Zen isn't making drastic changes, Zenimax is doing what every mmorpg does after launch, just at a more rapid tempo.
They aren't changing the game, they listen and watch. Some things work on paper other things don't. We all want ESO to succeed, but every action they take we will burn to the ground?
Veteran change : Bring out the pitchforks
Dye's : Bring out the pitchforks
Class changes : Bring out the pitchforks.
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Omnevolus✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.1 -
Nox_Aeterna✭✭✭✭✭
✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P."Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity."
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IcyDeadPeople✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭A big chunk of the players that came to this game, came for the PvP part, not the lore, not the Skyrim experience online, not the fluff or hello kitty/my little pony experience.
A lot of the people who bought this game were Elder Scrolls fans. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how many got into the PVP side, which is where the game shines.
I'm also fan of the single player TES games, and ESO was my first MMO. During the beta, I had a lot of fun with the medieval battleground gameplay in Cyrodiil and I became hooked on the PVP. From reading random comments posted by others on various websites, I suspect there are many players who got the game but only tried the PVE, which in my view is boring compared to the PVP.
I suppose for the end user, the experience would be good whether there are only 4 campaigns or 20 campaigns, as long as they are all high population. The problem arises when some campaigns are low population.The first couple months almost all Cyrodiil instances were from medium to heavy/locked load in primetime. Now only 2 instances are even at medium primetime.
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✭williamburr2001b14_ESO wrote: »steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »It's good that you're enjoying the game as is. Others aren't. But if you cannot imagine what other games have and this one is currently missing then I really cannot believe you've played many MMO's.
Please do tell what other mmo's have that this one hasn't? I consider myself a mmorpg vet, there is little I haven't touched and I started with DAOC.
Auction House (all of them)
Multiple Spec (Warcraft, Rift, others)
More than one PVP option (all of them)
Tiered rewards for endgame content (all of them)
Housing (most of them)
Sidekick/Exemplar system (City of Heroes (defunct) boy do I miss this feature)
Pet Commands (most MMOs with pets)
Raids (most MMOs)
Unique gear (all of them)
Achievement rewards (most of them)
More than 1 "heroic"-style dungeon (most of them)
PVE/PVP faction "Reputations" (nearly all others)
Customize-able UI (nearly all others)
For my money, ESO has the best graphics, most immersive environment, and quite possibly the most potential of any MMO I've seen in the last several years, but let's not get all hyperbolic and claim that it already has everything a good MMO should. There's plenty of room to implement features that other games have, that just increase the quality of play.
well said...!
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Cyanhide✭✭✭
Amazing, 2 posts above i was gonna use this example Glad to see some more people know this. /applause.
And this here is a prime example, i took this from a populair mmo blog."And MMOs like Elder Scrolls Online do immersion exceedingly well, better than any other game genre." ...just...no ? I don't have any kind of immesion when i have to walk the waste of nothingness and void every time i change questing place...not even mobs are there ! with poor design i must add too.
Plus all the bugs and stuff really kills any type of immersione i could have had in this game.
Even The Secret world gives, by far, much more immersion than any puny ESO location, and it's not even my favored MMO around.
This was the first comment, This might have been the case at launch, but no one can claim here this is still the case. It's just a damn hype.
The article was about why he loves ESO immersion.1 -
Omnevolus✭✭✭Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Nah , quite happy i saved their money.
If this game at some point become something worth recomending , i will tell them ,but that is one big IF.
While i do hope so , reason im betting on this game for so long even after seeing no reason until now to do so.
You seem to have missed the point.
But coming from someone who essentially just told all of us that all of our statements are opinions but your opinion is irrefutable fact to be disseminated among the masses, I'm not surprised at all.
Nope , you are the one that told me my opinion is "wrong":Nox_Aeterna wrote: »It is a matter of opinion really.
I told my friends to avoid it since they are not TES fans to begin with and outside its name and lore the game has nothing to offer really.
It's a matter of opinion, really....
So you've done us, and your friends, a disservice.
Which is ofc stupid , since it cant be , you can just disagree with it.
Like i said , i dont think this game is worth much , if you do , then recomend to your friends all you like , but you can bet i wont to mine :P.
Nice try, but mistaken. Nowhere do I say your opinion is wrong. What I suggest, is that you're a hypocrite, which is true, based on your own statements; and that you didn't allow your friends to decide for themselves, which potentially lessened the number of people we could be playing with, which is also true.
Would you like to try again? Edited by Omnevolus on July 11, 2014 5:06PM1 -
Cyanhide✭✭✭I just don't understand, why are you on this forum bashing the game, while advising people to stay away. And if your not playing, why are you still ruining the "forum" experience for us?
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steveb16_ESO46 wrote: »Add to this list:
Flying.
Underwater exploration.
Player made content
Dailies
Manufacturing and trading
Ships
The list can go on.
My god you people are awfull! I read the comments,
WoW launch was a mess, people who actually were in WoW will agree and say it was far from perfect as everyone make it seem.
WoW came out with little to no content, most of this stuff was introduced via expansion packs. Which came a lot slower then a month after launch.
The list SteveB is giving is basically Archage. And a bit of Ryzom/Anarchy Online, but I doubt most of you will know those last games.
Most of this list are post-launch features. The content drop we get every month is larger then any other mmo out there, yes even Wildstar, their first drop is Strain, 2 rehashed zones, 1 extra armour a few house items and that's it. The difference is, they hype it up so much, people believe its a "content" drop.
I really wish some of you would hop to another mmo and feel the difference.More people are playing WS right now than ESO. That's a fact and I posted a link. Denying a fact doesn't stop if from being a fact.
That's a fact( and I won't deny that), but you took this fact to prove ESO will go F2P and is going downhill. And that is wrong and twisting "facts". This proves nothing, this just proves people wanted to see the new flavor. Some will return, some won't, the same will happen when the new WoW expansion will come.
Its the natural course of every mmo.
@ williamburr2001b14_ESO
That list you gave is bullox, yes you can find all these features in differentmmo's but name me one that has them all.
And half that stuff you posted was post-launch features where people had to wait for months.
You guys are expecting the impossible, this isn't a damn singleplayer.
First, you guys seriously need to lose the attitude. A question was asked: "What does ESO not have?" And I gave you an answer, and Steve expanded on that answer. Calling "bollocks" or saying that these things listed somehow don't count is completely inappropriate. Those are features, very widespread features. Most of the things on that list are industry standard. The only thing I listed that was niche was the Exemplar/Sidekick system from City of Heroes. Not all of these features are in all MMOs, but there is only one MMO that is missing all of these features.
What has them all? Warcraft, for one. Star Wars the Old Republic. Rift. Wildstar. Neverwinter. Lord of the Rings Online. Everquest. Every Japanese and Korean MMORPG. So many more. This genre, which stretches back to MUDs, is over 30 years old. There has been plenty of time to test out features. ESO itself is not a new game, it was developed over 4 years, with about a year in closed/open beta.
ESO is a compilation of *some* of these features. But there are many others, tried and true in dozens of other online games, that while perhaps controversial *here*, are not in the broader marketplace--they are universally recognized as enhancing the player experience. Some are on the table here in ESO, others, you can safely bet they're working on.
But yeah, a huge step in not being a detriment to this community, and to the future of this game, would be to stop attacking the motives of people who want to see more features implemented. They're coming, but how they get prioritized depends on the perceived level of interest and importance. If you want to bury your head in the sand and not express you wants, that's your choice. Let the rest of us get to work without you being a pill about it.Edited by williamburr2001b14_ESO on July 11, 2014 6:34PM5 -
LrdRahvin✭✭✭✭✭I'm doing a lot more PvP now and enjoying it. A lot of the problems it had have been resolved. Unfortunately I fear it maybe be a little late. Its much harder to draw people back to a game than for a second time than it is at launch. I really can't understand why big AAA titles just don't understand this. I know they have shareholders and accountants to appease but surely even they can see that retaining that massive wave of optimism at the launch of a game is far easier than launching a sub par game and frantically trying to fix it post launch while the optimism turns to disappointment and you player base all leave for something else.
No matter how much effort you put in then its too late. You will never have that mass of people trying your game ever again in its history. it's a make or break opportunity.
Aww c'mon quit it already, the game has been out for 3 months! When will you people understand this is normal. Honestly think about it 3 months.
If we would be 12 months further, and it was still in a bad shape, okay then there would be room for discussion. But 3 months?
The game has barely been released, even final fantasy had a total reboot and it still going strong, did they went the F2P route?
Its not an opinion its fact. The game is losing players at a phenomenal rate. The success of an MMO relies on how many of the massive numbers they can retain at launch. Especially one charging a sub. Wildstar isn't even a particularly good game but more people are playing it than are playing ESO.
This is simply untrue.
SMH
More people are playing WS right now than ESO. That's a fact and I posted a link. Denying a fact doesn't stop if from being a fact.
As another poster already said, "flavor of the month." As I already said, "Actually, these are normal and predictable trends. The only difference in this case, is everyone is making a much bigger deal out of it than is necessary. Exponentially so." And as raptr said, "note that these rankings are only based on hours played by those who use Raptr for each play session."
Also, Raptr, nor anyone else, does not have actual numbers for ESO, so these results are merely speculative, based on a very small sample size, and not even occupying the proper context to make an extrapolated assertion such as yours.
I've never even heard of raptr, much less use it. It is not representative of any "fact." Not even close.
And this: "The success of an MMO relies on how many of the massive numbers they can retain at launch."
Is not true either. A universal for this speculation does not exist, as it does not apply to every MMO that has ever come out. Many successful MMO's have seen their subscriber base rise MUCH higher than launch, even up to years after release.
"I've never even heard of raptr" says the guy who quotes statements from Raptr
Liar, liar pants on fire
Edited by LrdRahvin on July 11, 2014 6:14PM2 -
Azzuria✭✭✭✭✭I think some people had expectations that ESO would be Skyrim 2: The MMO. It ain't, by a long shot. But that ain't all bad. Personally, I find ESO to be a really well balanced hybrid of the ES RPGs with an MMO. Is it perfect? Nope. By its very nature an MMO cannot do some of the things that made the previous ES games so awesome. There is not HUGE sandbox because a story-driven MMO can't be a huge sandbox. What we do have is a series of smaller sandboxes where it's possible to simply run off an any direction and find stuff... or simply follow the story and discover a whole mess of neat stuff along the way.
The class system is fantastic and I, for one, love it. Love the crafting system, too, and the fact that I can make awesome level-appropriate gear that far outstrips the quest and dungeon rewards. Hell, my best friend and I have only done public dungeons on our Orc Templars and usually have better gear than most due to our diligent gathering and crafting.
There is very little about ESO that I don't like and the pace of new content and fixes is very positive.Brunhilda Icehammer - Nord Dragonknight, 'Smith & Enchantress 'What is 'ranged? I need to hit something!!'
Laehl Direthorn - Bosmer Nightblade, Purveyor of fine Clothes, Bows and Staves
Reeza gra-Zuni - Orc Templar 'War Shaman' and Apothecary
Noemi Snowpaw - Kajiit Dragon Knight - I laugh... or I'd have to kill you.
Kitera Dreamon - Breton of The Dominion: Because those Daggers don't appreciate a great Mage.
Lysara Shadowcroft - Dunmer Bloodmage: This will only hurt a lot.4
