Malpherian wrote: »1. You are playing a single class, with a DPS cookie cutter build.Alien= I am so tired of people parroting this on the internet without having a clue what they are talking about. There ARE no cookie cutter specs. You don't know what morphs I have, what my crowd control does, why it is OP. You just heard that on the internet and now use it to attack my arguement.
ANY class has the ability to slot a CC ability. ANY class has the ability to switch to ranged abilities for mobs that require it. The problem is, people would rather cry for nerfs and claim anyone that ENJOYS adapting and using the mechanics they were given is an "elitist" playing a "cookie cutter spec."
Just stop!
Malpherian wrote: »2. Adapting as you call it, is not the same as being forced to re-spec your character entirely, change what weapons, and armor your using, and also change the very class style you play to something entirely different in order to do content.Alien =No one said you had to. You don't. By level 50 you should have more than just your favorite weapon leveled up at least a little, unless you just have a mental block against it. If you put on a random weapon when you turn in a quest, that weapon gets the XP and so there's a way you can level them without actually using them.
I have dual wield, 2H, destro, and restro staff all leveled really high and bow as well though I never use it. As a mele character you SHOULD have leveled bow a bit. It is a STAMINA-BASED weapon that gives you CC and ranged options so you can adapt when you need it.
You can just carry it in your bag for those occasions. Simple. No one is asking you to put on a dress! Just to play the game the way it was designed!
Malpherian wrote: »The answer is simple, this is TESO, and any TES fan knows that TES is NOT every other MMO. ZOS intentionally gave players the ability to make their classes into (Almost) anything they wanted, granted Nightblades for example will never heal as well as Templars and there is a class wall and restrictions there, but, they did give people the option to play their class effectively (within its role restrictions of course) in MANY MANY different ways.Alien = EXACTLY! So, why WOULDN'T you want to level up some ranged and CC options, given you have them in your arsenal? When you refuse to do so, why would you complain about not being able to mele a troll?
It would be like encountering an enemy that was immune to fire damage and crying for a nerf because you "want to play your way" and hit them with only fire, when you have lightning, ice, mele, and bow sitting right there staring you in the face.
This is stubbornness on the part of players more than anything else, and they shouldn't ruin the fun and challenge of having to adapt and try different strategies for everyone else just because people refuse to change their slotted abilities.
Malpherian wrote: »3. TES is about Lore, RP, Character Development, Immersion, and Creativity, NOT about "If you don't spec this way and use this weapon and armor you can'rt do this content".Alien= It is not SUPPOSED to be anything. You said it yourself: play how you want. The problem is that people refuse to level alt weapons even when they were clearly designed as the ranged/CC option for melee/stamina classes, then complain things are too hard when they hit content that needs to be ranged/CC'd.
This is like saying the game is broken unless all mobs are tailored to your specific build choice, so you never have to change it.
What is so wrong with change?
People complain about Sorcerers, but they are NOT the problem. I just see a higher percent of Sorcerers that are willing to put some CC and defensive abilities on their bar. But ALL classes have access to them.
AlienDiplomat wrote: »Nerf it.
Word is you are nerfing Sorcerers, DK's and Templars soon. So you should nerf this as well or no group of 12 will be able to handle a mob of 3 mudcrabs.
People refuse to change the 5 abilities they put on their bar at level 5. People refuse to try crowd control. People refuse to group. People hit a challenge and immediately give up without even trying to adapt.
So sad.
But what is even more sad is that ZOS would betray their loyal customers who love the game to cater to this minority demographic (63% say DO NOT nerf it!) because what, they think they might pull in a few more subs?
It is summer vacation! Give it a chance guys, gods!
"To nerf or not to nerf, that is the question" and the only way Zos seems to be able to look at problems (along with a few others around here).
You're right. We don't know what Zos will do. We only know what they have done so far. What else can one go on but their track record up to this point?Malpherian wrote: »"To nerf or not to nerf, that is the question" and the only way Zos seems to be able to look at problems (along with a few others around here).
Again you all have no clue whether they are simply going to change mechanics or nerf anything or even boost some classes skills.
No one knows anything because ZOS hasn't made any official statements other then:
LOOK FOR THE ROAD AHEAD POST ON JULY 7TH FOR UPCOMING BALANCES AND CHANGES TO VR CONTENT!!!!
For all you all know they could just be adding more loot and better rewards to the mobs to encourage people to do vet content more.
I mean really... what the hell is wrong with you people?
I wish people would stop complaining about people too lazy to dodge and block etc. I get by pretty well by maintaining a lot of self-healing and walking round in circles rather than concentrating heavily on blocking and dodging (it may work for some but I die more when I pay too much attention to block/dodge) and I watch the chat for people looking for help wiith bosses and dolmens (I don't mind repeating them) rather than wait for hours for others to come along to the one nearest me. I carry at least 1 whole stack of soul gems and don't get phased by dying. I've L'd2P, I'm not uber-leet but I'm competent, and overtuned trash mobs are still a drag, drag, drag. I welcome changes to the difficulty because I want to be part of an inclusive game and not a church of epeen worship and I'd rather be amongst people happily facerolling (by other people's standards) than people who believe that MMO combat skills are the pinnacle of human endeavour. I want there to bit of something for everyone in this game and when ZOS say they've heard many people saying that they've hit a brick wall, **** 'em, silly noobs doesn't seem like a great answer to me.
AlienDiplomat wrote: »It was a fun and intellectually challenging game while it lasted.
Sadly no game can stay that way for long with the current generation of gamers. Everything is "I DEMAND MY CUPCAKE!" and whining until you get it, and refusing to work together or adapt to anything, just playing one spec and doing everything for me me me.
"I shouldn't have to use an ice ability on that fire slime! I'm playing the way I want! ZOS nerf mob diversity! Fire slimes are OP!"
To hell with MMO's.
I like how the naysayers are focusing on discrediting the polls or saying that ZOS has more information about this, so we know nothing.
Try defending their decision if you feel like it is the right one.
Nobody is saying polls are the holy grail of anything, but with all the complaining on these forums and the poll still says it's fine, that says something. NOT everything, just something.
His ideal of unique is.. Where are my WoW epics that are bind on pick up.. Bind on pick up! Bind on pick up! Bind on pick.. Something unique from WoW that other players can't get. A sense of unique accomplishment? What is unique accomplishment exactly? Something that you can go to ESOhead and find the mob and where to get it. Therefore unique being..me and my guild of raiders can easily get but solo PvP players, in an AvA advertised game, can't get. Unique being.. Me and every PvE guy..
AlienDiplomat wrote: »His ideal of unique is.. Where are my WoW epics that are bind on pick up.. Bind on pick up! Bind on pick up! Bind on pick.. Something unique from WoW that other players can't get. A sense of unique accomplishment? What is unique accomplishment exactly? Something that you can go to ESOhead and find the mob and where to get it. Therefore unique being..me and my guild of raiders can easily get but solo PvP players, in an AvA advertised game, can't get. Unique being.. Me and every PvE guy..
The idea being that you add enough unique and bind on pickup type content that allows each player to pick and choose which they will showcase with their particular style, which was originally part of the design decision for this game before ZOS forgot to put in the unique content options.
I don't think I have heard a single person on these forums arguing AGAINST more unique and rewarding gear and content. In fact, it has been quite the opposite. So you would be the first.
Here, have a fishy stick.
Here is my video:(a) sorc/destro staff
Here is my video:(a) sorc/destro staff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aOj_6fM_Dc
No sorc and no destro staff.
But here are new excuses for you:
Vamp, Resto staff, Volcanic rune, UI addons, No lag, Good FPS, Windows 8.1, AMD cpu, 28 inch TFT ...
Greetings
Your swirly user interface addon is mesmerizing. What addon is that?
AlienDiplomat wrote: »AlienDiplomat wrote: »You posted a vid of a cookie-cutter build with 55% crit chance.
Amazing.
Now lose both the crit chance and crit healing surge lolmorph and do the same content.
My point? Nerf or no nerf, you will face-roll the content because of your lolbuild that no matter how much rhetorical strawmans you muster, ZOS' telemetry shows that the majority players do not min-max. Thus, the game will be balanced accordingly. And thus, is the best decision to ensure everyone enjoys the game.
Oh stop. I intentionally did NOT use the cookie cutter AOE destruction staff ability. I intentionally did NOT use pets. I intentionally did NOT use Volcanic Rune which ANY class has access to.
I swear, if you play a Sorcerer with ANY spec, people assume you must be able to just stand there in red zones not block or roll dodge and face roll stuff.
I play a Sorc. I use AOE. I even abuse Volcanic rune. I block, I even stay out of red stuff.
I still have to fight for my life against three covenant trash infantry no-life irrelevant nobodies whom are less important than the dung Dreughs build their statues out of.
I even have all my gear and staff on purple. Hell, my second bar is a lolresto staff with mutagen. But my short-comings? I dont have lolcrit like you do. Nor do I have that lolcritsurgeheallololtrollinglol self-heal. I have the other surge morph. how dare my stupidity. If only I threw away my tastes, sucked up, went with the lolcrithealsurge morph and then found someone to craft me crit bonus sets with divines on each armor piece. Then yeah, I'd probably solo Craglorn trials.
No one was insulting your choices bro. Why do you have to insult mine to make your point? It isn't a "lol" build, why would you say that?
Besides, this isn't the only spec I use. I was intentionally rolling dangerous to make a point that roll dodging and block are the most important thing.
This is the main spec I use for AOE and dolmens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viYOhbsMsNo
AlienDiplomat wrote: »AlienDiplomat wrote: »You posted a vid of a cookie-cutter build with 55% crit chance.
Amazing.
Now lose both the crit chance and crit healing surge lolmorph and do the same content.
My point? Nerf or no nerf, you will face-roll the content because of your lolbuild that no matter how much rhetorical strawmans you muster, ZOS' telemetry shows that the majority players do not min-max. Thus, the game will be balanced accordingly. And thus, is the best decision to ensure everyone enjoys the game.
Oh stop. I intentionally did NOT use the cookie cutter AOE destruction staff ability. I intentionally did NOT use pets. I intentionally did NOT use Volcanic Rune which ANY class has access to.
I swear, if you play a Sorcerer with ANY spec, people assume you must be able to just stand there in red zones not block or roll dodge and face roll stuff.
I play a Sorc. I use AOE. I even abuse Volcanic rune. I block, I even stay out of red stuff.
I still have to fight for my life against three covenant trash infantry no-life irrelevant nobodies whom are less important than the dung Dreughs build their statues out of.
I even have all my gear and staff on purple. Hell, my second bar is a lolresto staff with mutagen. But my short-comings? I dont have lolcrit like you do. Nor do I have that lolcritsurgeheallololtrollinglol self-heal. I have the other surge morph. how dare my stupidity. If only I threw away my tastes, sucked up, went with the lolcrithealsurge morph and then found someone to craft me crit bonus sets with divines on each armor piece. Then yeah, I'd probably solo Craglorn trials.
No one was insulting your choices bro. Why do you have to insult mine to make your point? It isn't a "lol" build, why would you say that?
Besides, this isn't the only spec I use. I was intentionally rolling dangerous to make a point that roll dodging and block are the most important thing.
This is the main spec I use for AOE and dolmens:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viYOhbsMsNo
i,m still waiting for you to solo the tharn storm atronach world boss in vet vet 8 grahtwood , which would counter my point that 1/ your using one of the best class/build combos in the game , 2/ you simply cherry picked a fight that makes your point.
after all i could if i wished go find a boss that i can kite endlessly to death on my templar using a bow then post the video saying "zomg templar+ bow is OP "
but i credit most folk on the forums as having more intellect and being thus able to see through such a cheap ploy
Here is my video:(a) sorc/destro staff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4aOj_6fM_Dc
No sorc and no destro staff.
But here are new excuses for you:
Vamp, Resto staff, Volcanic rune, UI addons, No lag, Good FPS, Windows 8.1, AMD cpu, 28 inch TFT ...
Greetings
Don't forget the addons, They may make excuses for there inability to play on that and cause them to nerf addons even more.
I've seen pretty much every conceivable class and build get through veteran content. Really the only excuse for wanting a nerf is that they don't want to think.