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Subs: The future. How long will you keep playing?

  • Heraclea
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    I already paid for a year(also this option is for people who already paid for 6 months)
    I really, really wanted to like this game. I will play at least until my time runs out. I hope that the devs will be able to realize what really went wrong and turn this game around soon.
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  • puddlejumper
    We, me and the two others I play with, will be here till the WOW expansion comes out. Than we will be gone.

    This isn't all ZOS's fault. My friends are old, even older than me, and I'm old. So they do not adapt to having to move, and react in combat. So they die and get frustrated in the game, what is likely ZOS's fault is the black screen one of them gets on windows 8.
    Is this thing on?
  • Inco
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    Another month
    Loved the game and actually had FUN playing from Level 1 to 50.

    Bright idea guy at ZOS to "Spread out" VR content grind to be so painful that people QUIT the game should be slapped upside the head.

    I have reasons why I'll most likely leave the game I want to succeed.
    • BALANCE - I play a Templar Healer (Yea... BETA nerf never got fixed like promised by ZOS almost 2 months ago)
    • BUGS - Lots of them and so many at game start was silly. We reported A LOT of them in BETA *xx times*, but still around on first day.
    • BORED - Yea the VR content ruined it for a lot of people. Timed PVE runs are not exactly easy to do with PUG's and good luck if you are a Templar.
    • BENEFITS - Many folks agree that a rush to end game is never fun, but getting owned in PVP cause the other guy is VR12 and you are VR1.
    • BONUS Armor - Crafting had great options, but MOST of the set bonuses craft able are complete CRAP. Even the 8 Trait required ones most people don't want, but recycle Seducer 3pc, Willow 3-5pc and throw in Warlock.
    • SKILL Points - Nothing rewarded for VR1-VR12 (Lame, very lame)
    • STORAGE - Yea it's not fun scraping together 45k to add 10 spots in bank. Provisioning is near impossible if you don't pitch or throw stuff into Gbank.
    • STAMINA - Good luck if you want to be a "Pure BOW" user, cause the game balance forces you to go Magic Build with Cloth and Staff.

    List can go on and on I'm sure (with others adding what I forget).

    IDEAS that would "Help" keep people:
    • Housing sooner than later - Hard core folks from Skyrim are kinda pissed this didn't happen at launch and with the lame storage we have I don't blame anyone.
    • Jewelry Crafting - Yea this was silly also not being in launch of the game.
    • GUILD STORE - Great new concept, but terrible deployment. Need a TEMP solution SOON to help resolve and keep good faith. Global Post it board with short timer and limited to a few items might be in order.
    • Guild Count - With all them drying up people are starting to consolidate, but don't want to LEAVE other guilds total empty. Maybe ADD more SLOTS?
    • BUY Subscription with in game GOLD - Yea I would totally be doing this.
    • Craftable SET BONUS gear needs IMMEDIATE overhaul. Your stats on them frankly SUCK. I'd suggest take the 8 trait ones and make them worthwhile. I mean REALLY worthwhile. Like MORE better than any set bonus in game now.

    Bottom line: ZOS you have some hard work ahead of you to keep this from going F2P in the next year.
  • rusila22
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    I already canceled
    Cancelled

    I wanted to solo most of content in openworld in craglorn but i read your future update 2 (PTS) and i didn't see anything new about that.

    I thought beeing a Vr10-12 i'll be really powerful but i've never feel so weak in a endgame like that. Stats are really poor, when you take damage in heavy armor it feels like you're wearing a light armor.

    I have a good build in templar with CC+heal+dps but what could you do when you ran out of mana and magicka so quickly even without spamming but your ennemies don't have probleme with that.
    For example i saw many ennemies healers who can spam their heals so many times in few secs.

    Difficulty in Trial and dungeon are ok( but people playing only with their family or casu players who want to take their time to do it can forget to run into trial because there is a timer).

    Well i'll come back in few weeks
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  • Calaban
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    I already canceled
    I already canceled.

    Not because I disliked the game (although there were a number of things that drove me nuts) but because I'm old and I was starting to have problems with my wrists and shoulders.

    Looks like my days of PC gaming might be over....pretty bummed actually :(

  • Nox_Aeterna
    Nox_Aeterna
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    Maybe a couple more months
    Mate usually i stay in a MMO for atleast 6 months , in ESO this is ... open for now.

    Still , i had unsubbed when they nerfed bitting jabs , which i considered completely uncalled for , when they went back on the nerf , i resubbed for a while longer.

    For how long will i stay subbed? Hard to know.

    ESO is without a doubt the worse launch i ever got in a MMO , it is the first time i got affected by so many bugs myself , not just heard about AND the balance is just horrible.

    Never i saw such clear gaps in power , granted , probably because i never played a MMO with a system similar to what ESO is using, if they had went completely open or closed , instead of some skill trees locked and some open , probably the balance would not have been such huge issue to so many players that they are leaving the game over it.
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  • Bonzaiboom
    I plan on sticking around for a long long time and hope ESO never goes FTP(also choose this option if you just plan on staying around a long time and don't care if it goes FTP but you don't mind paying)
    There is a missing option for me: I will stay and pay as long as it won't go FTP
  • Ragekniv
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    At least 6 months to a year
    I'm a VR6 Templar who essentially stopped leveling after the holiday massacre patch. Every time I log in and play my fabulous dress wearing baton twirler, I want to kick the family dog!

    I hang on in hope that Zenimax will come full circle and deliver on their marketing promise of players playing any class the way they wanted to play that class!

    I wanted to be a battle cleric with plate, sword and board / bow!

    Instead, Beta and three months player subscription revenue have provided no evidence of game stability, workable solution to bots and class balance.

    I dislike Zenimax's failure to be pro-active in balancing and the polarizing of the community that balancing in the negative by nerfing is causing.

    Like most players buying into the hype of ESO marketing, we were excited to play an ESO game and had high hopes for this game!

    Now I just hope the understandable attrition of dissatisfied customer base does not surpass the event horizon of ESO's relevance.
  • bloodenragedb14_ESO
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    I plan on sticking around for a long long time and hope ESO never goes FTP(also choose this option if you just plan on staying around a long time and don't care if it goes FTP but you don't mind paying)
    i look foward to telling newbs "back in my day, ya whippersnappers"
  • Alphashado
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    At least 6 months to a year
    Ragekniv wrote: »
    I'm a VR6 Templar who essentially stopped leveling after the holiday massacre patch. Every time I log in and play my fabulous dress wearing baton twirler, I want to kick the family dog!

    I hang on in hope that Zenimax will come full circle and deliver on their marketing promise of players playing any class the way they wanted to play that class!

    I wanted to be a battle cleric with plate, sword and board / bow!

    Instead, Beta and three months player subscription revenue have provided no evidence of game stability, workable solution to bots and class balance.

    I dislike Zenimax's failure to be pro-active in balancing and the polarizing of the community that balancing in the negative by nerfing is causing.

    Like most players buying into the hype of ESO marketing, we were excited to play an ESO game and had high hopes for this game!

    Now I just hope the understandable attrition of dissatisfied customer base does not surpass the event horizon of ESO's relevance.

    That is my concern as well. This game has such gigantic potential. The lore is endless, the actors are great, the combat is fun, the zones and art in general is beautiful. But there are so many glaring mistakes made by a company that clearly has never developed an MMO before. And I have to ask myself if they even researched what has and hasn't worked in the past.

    I believe that they will learn from their mistakes, but I fear that the game will have too much negative publicity by then to recover.

  • Tandor
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    I plan on sticking around for a long long time and hope ESO never goes FTP(also choose this option if you just plan on staying around a long time and don't care if it goes FTP but you don't mind paying)
    I'm here for the long haul, regardless of the business model (although I think all the F2P trash talk is just mindless nonsense from the usual "I wanna play this game but not pay for it" crowd).
  • concobar
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    Maybe a couple more months
    Pretty bent about getting hit for ~1000 damage by a insta cast crystal shard through near capped magic resist. We will see.
    I will still look across the lands from my perch at Arrius, Nerf or no I will still be the Night. I may not be the hero Ebonheart Pact wanted but I will be the hero Ebonheart pact deserves.
  • Phantorang
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    A yea if ZOS keeps to their current plan and upholds all they've said
    F2P, or pay-to-win, then im out of here, ZoS got 4 months to fix things.

    For me to stay longer they need to
    1. Fixed class balance, and made Templar DPS on par with DKs/Sorcs (they get nerfed, templar a boost)
    2. Have huge raids planned, 40+ players. (doesnt have to be finished)
    3. Introduced Thieves guild
    4. Gear that is 50% craft, 50% loot which is more powerful than just crafted, or just looted.
    5. Bugs etc stuff and such

    They need to have raids for large groups. some common goals for everyone in the guilds, other than PvP and small Craglorn 12 man raids.
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  • ArRashid
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    You are missing one option:

    I'll sub.. till the end of summer at least. But my patience with poor patching and constant nerfing wears thin, and if they don't reconsider their dirty "fixing" techniques (which break gameplay) till then, I'll think VERY hard before subbing again.



    I don't really mind bugs, as long as I see PROGRESS in patching. If patch breaks more things than it fixes, it's REALLY REALLY FRUSTRATING. Currently I have a strong feeling that the game works WORSE than in early access right now, apart from quests (but that's nothing much, considering that each patch breaks several of them and they have to hotfix them again and again).
    Edited by ArRashid on June 7, 2014 10:13AM
  • mjkvanbeekeb17_ESO
    mjkvanbeekeb17_ESO
    Soul Shriven
    I plan on sticking around for a long long time and hope ESO never goes FTP(also choose this option if you just plan on staying around a long time and don't care if it goes FTP but you don't mind paying)
    I really like the game and I hope that I can keep playing it for a long time. The thing that worries me is all the negative reviews and nagging on the internet. In my opinion it's a good game but all this negativity might scare players away and cause the game the fail.
  • RadicalZ
    RadicalZ
    Soul Shriven
    Maybe a couple more months
    A couple more months...

    Why? well this is based on whats going on at the moment, more nerfing and effort being put into peoples skills etc than actually fixing the bugs and issues like bots.

    If this were to change i would probably stay for the long run.
  • martinhpb16_ESO
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    A yea if ZOS keeps to their current plan and upholds all they've said
    Calaban wrote: »
    I already canceled.

    Not because I disliked the game (although there were a number of things that drove me nuts) but because I'm old and I was starting to have problems with my wrists and shoulders.

    Looks like my days of PC gaming might be over....pretty bummed actually :(

    Sorry dude, hope you get to play something now and then. Good luck.

    At least the spelling is difficult for you.
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  • martinhpb16_ESO
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    A yea if ZOS keeps to their current plan and upholds all they've said
    I'll be staying, for the immediate future.

    what needs to be improved:

    - Vet quest grinding has been too much for me. It's like you have just read War & Peace and then you have to read it all over again. Vet needs a serious overhaul
    - Crafting - I like crafting, but hardly ever sell any crafted gear because its not attractive enough, and the amount of resources you have to invest in making gear purple compared to the proliferation of dropped purple isnt worth it. You can actually get more gold from selling the mats.
    - Balancing
    - Craglorn > should not be solo possible > trials in 15 mins is wrong
    - Cyro lag

    What would make it better

    - Raids - a proper multi boss 1.5-3 hour raid, with easy and hard modes - This is so crucial to keep guilds playing together.
    - An AH. Guild stores do not work. Too many disparate, limited markets with membership sinking. ITS TOO MUCH HARD WORK
    - More social functionality, guild mail, optional nameplates please,
    - Unique items that are rewarded for dungeons / trials > something to aim for
    - fluff > special rewards for achievements like mounts, cosmetic outfits, housing, haircuts, ingame events.
    At least the spelling is difficult for you.
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  • Lucifah
    Lucifah
    I already canceled
    I would have loved to stick around for a long time, but the current state of the game causes frustration way too often for me to be willing to spend my scarce gaming time on it. For the same reason I rarely play multiple games at any given time. So, for now I have moved on to something else, and if I like that, I won't have time to return in the near future.
    Problems are normal in a newly released game, but I felt like an alpha tester, for which I was being charged. Comms were less than useful. And it seems to me that the game architecture is broken by design, so unless a miracle happens, things will continue getting worse before they might get any better.

    TLDR; I lost trust in ZOS' ability to get on top of the issues any time soon. I may or may not resub in a couple of months time. But it's more likely that I will not.
  • TazerReloaded
    Maybe a couple more months
    I play a templar in vet content, full DPS ranged, light armor.
    Not always easy, but I can solo groups of 3 with healer. The ulti from soul magic after maximum burst for the healer works most of the time.

    But still, I don't feel powerful. When I walk into two mobs by accident I'm dead instantly. The combat feels super laggy, I always spam the keys, maybe every third or fourth click gets registered and my character decides to cast after an unnecessary animation, while the mobs somehow push out damage with short charge times and without any cooldown or costs. The ice wall some mobs cast is buggy and absorbs all damage no matter if the mob is standing behind it or 10m away from it. The healer mobs can recover all of their life (and of others), all the time, and the casters hit me for 800+ although I'm on magic resist cap.

    I'm progressing through the levels and I have some fun, but I am quite experienced, and other people are just lost and frustrated. Heavy armor is as useless as magic resist, and stamina builds deal no damage at all.

    And still, the UI is a joke. I know that Bethesda has specialists for super messy and hard to use user interfaces. But please read some books about user friendly design and eventually fix at least the guild store search.

    And please, no more dev time consuming boring end game content, while nobody gets there anyways. You are already wasting all the content of two factions (which could have been played with other characters) for these completely useless and boring veteran ranks. Set a max level, make some beutiful max level areas with lots of dungeons (with loot worth going there), and let players become powerful and unique.
    Edited by TazerReloaded on June 7, 2014 11:23AM
  • DuelWieldingCheesyPoofs
    Another month
    Getting boring need some small battle grounds and some more dugeons not remakes of old crap its insulting, decent raids too. One month Il wait then im going back to warcraft, sorry.
  • Talmet
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    I plan on sticking around for a long long time and hope ESO never goes FTP(also choose this option if you just plan on staying around a long time and don't care if it goes FTP but you don't mind paying)
    wait...what?

    bad poll is bad.

    "I plan on sticking around for a long long time and hope ESO never goes FTP(also choose this option if you just plan on staying around a long time and don't care if it goes FTP but you don't mind paying)"

    So...that option is for people who hate FTP & hope it never comes.. ALSO it's for people who don't care if it goes FTP????

    Why/how are those the same option??
  • sevcik.miroslaveb17_ESO
    Another month
    I pay sub per month. Just to be able reconsider each month if I want to continue or not. So far I will continue probably even through summer. But I seriously want cyrodiil to be better scaled. They have some plans for cyrodiil so I am looking forward to what will they come up with.
  • boogie95
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    I plan on sticking around for a long long time and hope ESO never goes FTP(also choose this option if you just plan on staying around a long time and don't care if it goes FTP but you don't mind paying)
    i love and enjoy this game best MMO out there i think people expect to much and wine to much. when they dont get there way they come on the forum and troll
  • zgrssd
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    At least 6 months to a year
    I fully expected problems with balancing and bugs as we have now in a new MMO. I also fully expect that the bulk will be solved within 6 months after launch (we are still in the 2nd and gotten quite a bit already).
    So at earliest I will revisit my choice in the 6th month after launch.
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  • Kililin
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    I already canceled
    zgrssd wrote: »
    I fully expected problems with balancing and bugs as we have now in a new MMO. I also fully expect that the bulk will be solved within 6 months after launch (we are still in the 2nd and gotten quite a bit already).
    So at earliest I will revisit my choice in the 6th month after launch.

    The biggest problem i have at the moment is that their fixes are not impressing me, on the contrary...

    6 Month would have been the timeframe i am giving them too, but after the latest changes i think not...
    I am mourning the game this could have been.
  • METALPUNKS
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    I am going to continue to pay my sub then switch to console when it releases
    Talmet wrote: »
    wait...what?

    bad poll is bad.

    "I plan on sticking around for a long long time and hope ESO never goes FTP(also choose this option if you just plan on staying around a long time and don't care if it goes FTP but you don't mind paying)"

    So...that option is for people who hate FTP & hope it never comes.. ALSO it's for people who don't care if it goes FTP????

    Why/how are those the same option??

    Lol dude it's not a big deal. Poll stops at 10 options. Just pick that then write in post which one you are going by within that option. It's just a poll.
  • Sharee
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    I already paid for a year(also this option is for people who already paid for 6 months)
    Paid 6 months. Happy with the game as it is, looking forward to improvements. Will keep paying as long as i don't get bored (which does kick in eventually, even DAoC couldn't hold me forever, but i did play that one for 6 years so...)
  • Wifeaggro13
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    Another month
    PVT_Parts wrote: »
    sigsergv wrote: »
    I cancelled my subscription but I hope they will resolve most horrible issues and I'll return. Actually the only thing I'm not happy with is unplayable veteran levels. I don't PvP, I don't raid dungeons, don't run trials etc, I just want to enjoy lore and questing, I read and listen every piece of quest information and really enjoy it. But when I need to group with someone to kill 2 archers and one healer just to pass the gate in the fence I'm not happy so I unsubscribed.

    Every class can solo 3 veteran NPC`s without danger... its just the player that is the weak link here... or a bad build(again the player).

    Get a decent build - either enough CC + DPS to kill them before you are in danger or a healing build that will out last them...

    I do agree on one thing tho: they should have made 2 or more difficulties... as some people i see getting milked in VR content while others just kill everything including a lot of the world bosses... different difficulties with different rewards might have fixed that and it would have given the casual player a reason to group and try the higher difficulty while allowing veteran MMO players to just solo in the harder difficulty mode for better loot.

    Maybe in time...

    Probably just a simple issue of a stamina build. I know that is my problem. Melee stamina heavy armor=no win against 3+ vets. I understand now that dress and staff is best, but at VR4, I couldn't be bothered to level light armor from lvl 3 and work on a magic build, a complete turn around from my current style. It's easier to learn how to play by just rerolling something else and doing dress/staff on them to learn the play style. Otherwise I will die, a lot. Every class has a magic based build to combat 3 VR mobs. It isn't just us players that are the issue and you can't really blame someone who is a stamina build that had no problems from 1-VR3 being a stamina build for not being able to beat VR mobs anymore. It's the basic problem of Stamina builds hitting a brick wall of uselessness and it being hard to come back with a magic build after playing the entire time with a once viable dual wield or 1h/s stamina build. It isn't the player's fault for never using magic. It's an ignorance issue. We figured the game would be balanced so that stam and magic builds would be viable. We were wrong. Difficulty lvl would be an interesting option though, I think a "Become a magic based build" button would be even more helpful though. lvling up light armor from 1-5 to 50 and using magic abilities still at lvl 1 when you are at VR4 isn't really a useful option for me at this point.

    It called bad balance and bad design. if we all wanted to play Robe and staff we would have rolled a sorc. the simple fact they dont even acknowledge this is highly disturbing. It clearly shows the direction they are taking the end game. AOE dps and heals with dance mechanics. This i cannot stay subbed for , its sad really i enjoyed the game completely bugs and all up until end game.
  • Jexie
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    I plan on sticking around for a long long time and hope ESO never goes FTP(also choose this option if you just plan on staying around a long time and don't care if it goes FTP but you don't mind paying)
    I think I'll be in it for the long haul. I for one am very satisfied with the current content and new content is pretty regular, (and at no extra cost, which is great, no pesky expansion costs!).

    Compared to other MMO's I've played, ZOS jump onto bug fixes pretty swiftly, I think most if not all of the bugs I encounted during the early levels have been fixed now. :mrgreen:

    However even though I'm content, I think alot of players expected a more 'fleshed out' game, as alot of people have come from other MMO's that have been chucking out content for years, so I guess ESO feels a little limited to them. However ESO has the potential to be absolutely fantastic, and I think, at the current rate of content release, it's well on the way to becoming so, and I'm excited for the future. ^_^
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