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Re: Why Soloed Dungeons are forbidden in the new Golden Pursuit??
It's post like these that remind me that the plot is lost on a lot of people. The golden pursuit is to prepare players for the Night Market, meaning this pursuit is about team work since progress in the Night Market requires and incentives playing in a group.
That said, to encourage people to play in a group, they made challenges that require you to... (You probably want to sit down for this) Play in a group.
The thing is that, except for very few instances (from what I've been told optional for the main things people might want to get - the house and house updates), the Night Market won't need people to be grouped.
And the chore list isn't actually meaningfully preparing people for group content either. All you need for chore completion is having your character in "grouped with another person" status, there's no need to actually run the dungeons or fight the world bosses together - the person you're grouped with can be in a completely different zone, of even offline.
Really, Syldras, there probably isn't a rhyme or reason. Maybe a vague idea about teamwork to prepare for the night market. For myself, I've been preparing by doing fargrave, a zone I kinda put off after blackwood. I don't want to be surprised by characters or inferences. A golden pursuit about doing fargrave dailies or something with also some dungeons added for the teamwork would've seemed more appropriate.
I think at the end of the day, they just wanna hype people up for the night market. It obviously wasn't that important because the rewards they used are forgettable.
As for the night market, probably best to run around with folks or find a group of folks to get help killing bosses but the only requirement for groups will be the 3 dungeon bosses and the trial boss. They even nerfed the trash mobs.
Re: Can we please have some "down time"?
I think something that will help many players is coming to realize that the Season/Tomes aren't Events requiring focus and needs to "be played". It's simply a structured system running in the background that will progress naturally, dropping rewards along the way. Once this is recognized, the burnoout/stress should go down. Players will come to realize that there's no need to fear missing out in regards to the tome rewards, and in future seasons will likely set a pace more suited to their needs and desires.
There are/will be more than enough points to go around, and it won't be long before forum posts start to appear addressing the surplus of tome points and wondering why there's nothing to more to spend them on.
There are/will be more than enough points to go around, and it won't be long before forum posts start to appear addressing the surplus of tome points and wondering why there's nothing to more to spend them on.
Re: Can we please have some "down time"?
I think we just need to take personal responsibility for our free time.
We don't need every single cosmetic they offer us for free. It's nice of them to add these things but if it's too much just skip something.
Just ask - will you really use this pet? If not just take it easy. If not this pet, than anything else that comes out. I used to spend a lot of my time on tasks for items I never use, and that's really on me. If you dont' get this, there are lots of others just like it and it's not a big loss.
We don't need every single cosmetic they offer us for free. It's nice of them to add these things but if it's too much just skip something.
Just ask - will you really use this pet? If not just take it easy. If not this pet, than anything else that comes out. I used to spend a lot of my time on tasks for items I never use, and that's really on me. If you dont' get this, there are lots of others just like it and it's not a big loss.
Re: Do you think ZOS has abandoned Grey Host?
Not just the lag. Everyone complained about the limited build system with only vanilla sets. So it was the worst of both worlds, the lag of GH, the limited builds of Vengeance.MincMincMinc wrote: »People always bring up the noproc didnt work
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Re: Do you think ZOS has abandoned Grey Host?
MincMincMinc wrote: »Condensing the queue to only GH and Vengeance shows investment in GH. Vengeance wasn't competing for Blackreach players, so this effectively adds to the GH player pool.Players keep underestimating technical limitations every time the devs address this subject. They even said that build system calculations were the main cause of lag. We don't know how even simple sets like Hunding's Rage are actually coded, so I'm gonna trust the devs on this.MincMincMinc wrote: »Then start adding the less server intensive proc sets.
Also: they did No Proc Cyro for a whole patch and it did NOT solve the lag, it was boring one build Beekeeper tank meta. I don't know why so many players forget this.
People always bring up the noproc didnt work.......well for one zos said it was not significant enough to backtrack on all the procs and designs in the game. We never got numbers on the issue because it wasnt a silver bullet, maybe it helped 5%, 10% but we simply were never shown any data. When the data was insignificant it was the people in charge of finance to decide to overhaul the game or live with the inefficiency and focus on pushing profit content. (they went with the obvious choice)
Why wasnt it a silver bullet though? Now I dont know how the ESO game engine handles things, but I have played with unreal engine enough where in there I think item sets, skills, and other proc effect would be handled very similarly. So what are other possible proc effects that happen in the game?
- Weapon enchants proc off light attacks and have timers and following procs with things like status effects >>
- status effects have their own calculations and side effects like aoe or dots with debuffs not to mention the whole chance mechanics
- Each tick has a crit chance effect
- Passives like burning light are a proc effect
- Potions are a proc effect
- even racials have procs in them like orc's healing, redguard stam
- Skills like critsurge proccing off every crit or just general bloated 5 paragraph description skills that do 20 things
- Half the CP in the game probably do proc like effects.
- then there are the item sets of course where you can distinguish stat proc sets and proc effect sets or proc buff sets if we'd like
Point is that with all the above a build maybe has upwards of 50+ proc conditions waiting to trigger. Removing the item sets that contribute maybe 4-5 of those is a drop in the hat. The whole game is bloated, you either trim the fat or reduce your expectations for player capacity. Veng atleast showed us that if all the above is removed it goes back to the expected server capacity. Zos decided to reduce expectations and just lower the player capacity thus we are getting GH shoved into a one keep campaign.
Honestly, the nonexistent performance gains of No-Proc felt as though all of the logic for proc sets continued to function and operate in the background but that only the actual proc effects were prohibited from firing.
Which would be like, if true... completely missing the point... of how to realize performance gains from that ruleset.
And then, of course, everything else that you say is true. So many ambient procs operating 24/7 and baked-into basically every subsystem in the game.
Re: Class refreshes, subclassing vs multiclassing
CalamityCat wrote: »The DK refresh does make me concerned about warden, given that DKs are now focused on fire and the poison was removed. I have never liked the frost side of warden, so if that becomes the main aesthetic, it's going to break the whole way I play the class. I think there are different options in all classes, and I value all of them. Even the ones I don't use or like. If they all start merging into one it's going to annoy a lot of players.
Remember though, DK never had a skill line called “Heart of Venom.” They didn’t even have poison at release, it was specifically added in U10 to give a Stamina-alternative to flame, but that became unnecessary with Hybridization.
Warden is not likely to lose frost as a damage type since it is literally the name of one of its skill lines. But the other lines also reference plants and animals.
I do expect some unification of damage though. Warden has a lot of bleed in the animal line (but then some inexplicable Magic and Poison), and no damage in the Green Balance line. I expect they’ll try to make all of the animal and plant damage be either Bleed or Poison, possibly with some Frost morphs because Winter’s will be all Frost.
Re: Class refreshes, subclassing vs multiclassing
i think Warden's Green Balance line will get some skill morphs that deal Poison damage.
The class will probably have Frost, Poison, and maybe Bleed.
Magic damage can be replaced by Frost so it is more consistent throughout the class.
i also think the argument with Subclassing not being like other games and saying it should be called Multiclassing instead is pointless. Players also love to refer to Chapters and other DLC as expansions.
It is confusing, just use whichever term ZOS decided on for the in-game system so we all know what we are referring to.
i am optimistic about the Class Refresh.
Hoping all my Subclassed builds all still work after each Refresh.
The class will probably have Frost, Poison, and maybe Bleed.
Magic damage can be replaced by Frost so it is more consistent throughout the class.
i also think the argument with Subclassing not being like other games and saying it should be called Multiclassing instead is pointless. Players also love to refer to Chapters and other DLC as expansions.
It is confusing, just use whichever term ZOS decided on for the in-game system so we all know what we are referring to.
i am optimistic about the Class Refresh.
Hoping all my Subclassed builds all still work after each Refresh.
Re: Class refreshes, subclassing vs multiclassing
For Templars they are mostly light focused, with just a few skills being "lightless". If lightlessness was a theme in more of the abilities, I would say a "dark Templar" is a potential subset. But there just isn't enough for that to be currently true, and so I can't think of a current subset within Templar other than stamina vs magicka.
They took away the actuall lightlessness a few patches ago. It's all pee coloured now. :'(
Re: Why is there a timer at the end of a dungeon?
It's because each dungeon is an instance, and the goal is to get that server space back.
Yes, people run dungeons solo and then the timer doesn't trigger, but I think that's an edge case that was not considered when the timer was implemented. But in general, the original idea was that people would run the dungeon and get out so the instance could be freed, and not have one person AFK in the instance holding it open for eternity.
Finn made a post on the PTS forum talking about how more smaller instances actually make performance worse for the overall game, so the idea is that one person is not able to essentially hold the game's performance hostage. I'm sure they could increase the timer, but the exact thing they don't want is for one person to make a permanent instance of an empty dungeon (times hundreds of players) which would start to degrade performance over the whole game.
Yes, people run dungeons solo and then the timer doesn't trigger, but I think that's an edge case that was not considered when the timer was implemented. But in general, the original idea was that people would run the dungeon and get out so the instance could be freed, and not have one person AFK in the instance holding it open for eternity.
Finn made a post on the PTS forum talking about how more smaller instances actually make performance worse for the overall game, so the idea is that one person is not able to essentially hold the game's performance hostage. I'm sure they could increase the timer, but the exact thing they don't want is for one person to make a permanent instance of an empty dungeon (times hundreds of players) which would start to degrade performance over the whole game.
Re: Why is there a timer at the end of a dungeon?
Agreed! I have often wished for this. It used to be much worse, however -- the timer used to be only a few seconds and there would not even be time to turn in the quest often, if everyone else immediately left.
On a related note, I would also like the option to opt out of getting immediately pulled to a boss as soon as the speed runner arrives at it. I often get pulled away from a chest I am opening, loot I am collecting, or trash mobs I am fighting. I am glad the option for the pull exists (so you can still get credit for the last boss even when there is a speed runner) but it should not be obligatory.
On a related note, I would also like the option to opt out of getting immediately pulled to a boss as soon as the speed runner arrives at it. I often get pulled away from a chest I am opening, loot I am collecting, or trash mobs I am fighting. I am glad the option for the pull exists (so you can still get credit for the last boss even when there is a speed runner) but it should not be obligatory.
