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Re: Should there be a PvE only instance of Imperial City?
Only until the Imperial City story quests are complete. After that it should be fully PvP.
Obviously the Tel Var, Imperial Fragment, IC set drops and IC Dailies should be disabled for the PvE version.
Obviously the Tel Var, Imperial Fragment, IC set drops and IC Dailies should be disabled for the PvE version.
Re: Extremely Low Midyear Mayhem Turnout, Why?
What exactly are you looking for? I enjoy creating Pug groups about twice a week on PC/NA, but what are you looking for?
I don't know that I'm looking for any specific answers, although I'm not surprised by what the most common answer is. I've been pretty vocal lately about how subclassing was horrible for ESO PvP:
Yea almost no one PvPs at this point. On top of that, many of the people in Cyrodiil aren't even interested in PvP. A lot of them just want transmute crystals or they're more interested in siege than they are fighting other players. The number of people across all servers who still sweat PvP regularly is probably a low 2 digit number.
Subclassing will likely only worsen things in the future. The only somewhat positive thing I've seen about subclassing in PvP is that damage is higher this patch. I think what's really going on is that people with optimized subclass combinations are going against more casual players with weak subclass combinations. As a result, the difference in power between them is extreme because it's such an unbalanced system. So the newer or more casual players are dying more easily than ever due to the power gap. It might be fun for the more experienced players, but it's just going to lead to horrible entry rates and retention for everyone else.
Subclassing as a whole is really bad for casual players or new players looking to get into PvP or endgame PvE.
It adds another layer of complexity when it comes to making a build, which is already way more complex than it once was.
The power gap and the knowledge gap keeps growing as more build customization is allowed. I genuinely don’t know how a new player would make sense of the 100s of sets in the game, skill line combinations, scribing, traits, CP, and many other build elements and interactions without watching YouTube.
It’s an accessibility issue and it keeps PvP and endgame PvE communities small with low entry rates and poor retention. A properly specced player is literally like an emperor compared to a max leveled newer player doing their own thing.
ZOS is approaching accessibility the complete wrong way and they just don’t get it.
You can find many other comments I've left like that across different posts. A lot of people here just seem overwhelmed with making a PvP build, or they're noticing the insane power gap in the game right now. Like I said, it's an accessibility issue and it's not healthy for PvP, I want ZOS to understand that.
What I think ZOS should take away from Vengeance is that people will be more likely to participate when there isn't a massive power gap and when there's very low barriers to entry. People will tolerate a skill gap, but a power gap is just a sign of a broken game.
Stamicka
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Re: Anyone else getting wrong info for crafting research? Resolved, ty
I've had similar encounters, but I find that using a crafting station seems to update research progresses
nadrokal
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Re: Extremely Low Midyear Mayhem Turnout, Why?
MorallyBipolar wrote: »MorallyBipolar wrote: »Vonnegut2506 wrote: »Because I can't be tasked to do activities I don't enjoy just for some item in a video game, and I would guess many people feel the same way about PvP.
I understand. There’s a significant amount of players who participated in Midyear Mayhem in the past, but didn’t participate this time though.
I’m not sure if they quit or what, but it’s a very noticeable drop off. It’s pretty interesting to see from a game design perspective. I’m wondering what’s led to such a dramatic change this time.
Can you please post your data showing that this years MYM event is experiencing a reduced turn out.
Thank you.
This isn't the mic drop you hope it is. Anybody who PvPs on a regular basis knows the population is next to nothing compared to past MYM events. There was a time when U50 was pop locked during this event. Blackwater Blade days. When you don't need to queue into an alternate campaign while waiting to get into GH, there is no need to present data. It's crystal clear.
How do you explain that all three factions have been pop locked more than 20 hours/day since the event began? (PC NA Greyhost)
Devil's Advocate, but that's the standard population.
Usually during MYM, you also see Blackreach and Ravenwatch at capacity for most of the day, and only the 7-day campaigns are only on one or two bars.
If people at primetime can get into Blackreach without a queue, that's a sure sign that there are way fewer people than normal.
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On topic: I think it's two things - 1) We just had the Vengeance test and a Golden Pursuit around that, so your standard "I-only-PvP-when-there's-an-event-encouraging-me-to-do-so" crowd is already burnt out. 2) Subclassing is making is so your non-pro PvPers are getting deleted even faster than normal, and they don't tend to care enough to come back and try with a better build when they could just leave and not bother with a mode they don't like.
tomofhyrule
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Re: Future of Battlegrounds
Major_Mangle wrote: »An objective queue would be completely dead within a month. The moment people get whatever associated achievements there are they'll never touch that queue again, and no actual PvP:er that genuinely want to PvP will actively queue for objective modes. This happened with the original queue system where people stopped queuing for the objective modes once they had the achievements.
It's bad map/objective design, not bad game mode.
In simple shooting games it's usually more engaging to have CTF than TDM, because you have to focus on the right opponents instead of whoever have lowest health.
In 3 teams fight, chaos ball was often good if the ball holder wasn't hiding and/or running in max speed.
And ESO still needs something that can attract new players, not just regular PvP players.
Yes, three-teams Chaosball could've been made incredibly fun simply by capping the speed of the ball carrier and fixing the cheesy places.
My idea for revamping Capture the Relic is similar to what you mentioned about shooting games CTF, and inspired by this particular situation:
Here are the problems with the gamemode:
- Standing around guarding a relic is boring.
- Pointlessly parsing a tank who is guarding a relic is boring.
- Having your relic stolen through the wall, or because the grabbing animation didn't play correctly is boring.
And here's how it could have been fixed:
A player from each team would be randomly selected as the ''relic holder'', and the goal of the match would be to kill the other team's holder while protecting your own. When this player died the relic would select one of their teammates as its new vessel and jump to them after 30 seconds. (This player would obviously need to be ejected from spawn after a period of time.)
The game mode would function like an extremely high level Deathmatch from the olden days, but with training wheels. Imagine a 3 teams DM, but the softest target of every team is being indicated by the relic. In the worst possible scenario, the two stronger teams would be compelled to fight in the spawn of the softer team, but because of the relic's debuff, this fight would never stalemate to the point of not being worth it. They would fight, relic holders would die, jump to other players, and the new holders would die too. It would be impossible to trap the softer team.
The game mode would function like an extremely high level Deathmatch from the olden days, but with training wheels. Imagine a 3 teams DM, but the softest target of every team is being indicated by the relic. In the worst possible scenario, the two stronger teams would be compelled to fight in the spawn of the softer team, but because of the relic's debuff, this fight would never stalemate to the point of not being worth it. They would fight, relic holders would die, jump to other players, and the new holders would die too. It would be impossible to trap the softer team.
Re: Extremely Low Midyear Mayhem Turnout, Why?
We had a Golden Pursuit for PvP earlier this month with the Vengeance Campaign which might be a bit of a factor.
I think you'd also find that for some people Vengeance offers a better PvP experience than Mayhem and as such would rather wait for it to come back again rather than spending a bunch of time playing in Mayhem.
I think you'd also find that for some people Vengeance offers a better PvP experience than Mayhem and as such would rather wait for it to come back again rather than spending a bunch of time playing in Mayhem.
Re: Extremely Low Midyear Mayhem Turnout, Why?
Several reasons for me. Definitely nothing to do with Vengeance. I'd love to be PvPing during this event, but the game is too laggy and subclassing has made the sort of impression I dreaded it would.
It's far too laggy for me in game generally, which rules Cyro out because larger battles will freeze me up beyond being able to do something or have fun. BGs are less laggy but certainly not good for fighting in.
I'm on a pure build meeting opponent teams that often have zoo builds which also seems to bring lag and subclass builds that hit a lot harder than I can. I'm not interested in subclassing just for an event. Even if I was, I wouldn't make a build just now, as we're still testing Vengeance and getting "balance" changes to combat skills/gear. I'm not interested in constantly changing builds and re-making them.
What does worry me is even when I win battles in BGs and do well on my pure classes, PvP just isn't fun. It's just even lamer overpowered templates and far too many pets. I say that as a player who always likes pets and PvPs with them. I'm genuinely embarrassed to have a Warden when I see the zoo builds cluttering up a fight.
I might try my NB in IC for a bit and see how that goes. But I think PvP is about done for me now, even if I subclassed it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. A year ago I was having a lot more fun even with the imbalances we had and lag.
It's far too laggy for me in game generally, which rules Cyro out because larger battles will freeze me up beyond being able to do something or have fun. BGs are less laggy but certainly not good for fighting in.
I'm on a pure build meeting opponent teams that often have zoo builds which also seems to bring lag and subclass builds that hit a lot harder than I can. I'm not interested in subclassing just for an event. Even if I was, I wouldn't make a build just now, as we're still testing Vengeance and getting "balance" changes to combat skills/gear. I'm not interested in constantly changing builds and re-making them.
What does worry me is even when I win battles in BGs and do well on my pure classes, PvP just isn't fun. It's just even lamer overpowered templates and far too many pets. I say that as a player who always likes pets and PvPs with them. I'm genuinely embarrassed to have a Warden when I see the zoo builds cluttering up a fight.
I might try my NB in IC for a bit and see how that goes. But I think PvP is about done for me now, even if I subclassed it doesn't appeal to me in the slightest. A year ago I was having a lot more fun even with the imbalances we had and lag.
Re: Extremely Low Midyear Mayhem Turnout, Why?
The rewards just aren't there.
Pvp is a shell of what it used to be.
Event fatigue is probably the reason for some though i would guess not many. This includes vengeance.
Few people are interested in playing against the way zos wants people to play pvp, namely ball groups and bombers, and the broken sets that reinforce these playstyles.
To name a few.
Pvp is a shell of what it used to be.
Event fatigue is probably the reason for some though i would guess not many. This includes vengeance.
Few people are interested in playing against the way zos wants people to play pvp, namely ball groups and bombers, and the broken sets that reinforce these playstyles.
To name a few.
Re: Extremely Low Midyear Mayhem Turnout, Why?
Because I can't be tasked to do activities I don't enjoy just for some item in a video game, and I would guess many people feel the same way about PvP.
Vonnegut2506
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Re: Future of Battlegrounds
The old maps are one of the things I miss most, I dont think we appreciated how well designed they were while we had them. Teleports, multi level buildings...lava. Good times. The new maps are okay but they're so 2D compared to the old ones. And the 4v4 maps are ridiculous, every game is either DM without a flag or DM with one. DM w/ three strikes you're out or DM where you can die 20 times or kill the same poor dude 20 times. I tend to stay out of 4v4 because I am neither a masochist nor a sadist 😐
Remember that one BG map where your mount was enabled? That was fun. They were all fun.
Remember that one BG map where your mount was enabled? That was fun. They were all fun.