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Re: Should devs add the Maormer race to the game alongside the release of ocean/pirate themed content?
randconfig wrote: »randconfig wrote: »Meant to pick other 😝
I would want a big rebalancing of the in-game races at around the same time. A few are starving to be out of the basement balance wise while the few with w/s damage passives and nord are far far more valuable with the double sustain of breton and the crit damage of khajiit being a small tier below while the other ones can all be said to be in a bad spot
Khajiit is still top tier for DPS no? The critical damage is huge.
Bretons have no boost to weapon/spell damage, and most damage rotations don't require additional sustain.
Wood elves probably the least useful passives, I feel like I never see wood elves played.
Orcs have great passives, especially the passive heal every 4 seconds in combat, but no one plays them because fashion lol.
Argonian's potion passive has always been weird to me, I'm not sure it's that great, but I could be wrong.
Nord's are pretty defensive, and the small ultimate regen is nice, but they're actually not that great imo. I think most people just play them because of Skyrim lol.
High Elves get the best of everything, sustain, increased magicka resource, and weapon/spell damage.
Dark Elves don't get the sustain of high elves, but the hybrid main resource is really good for the trade off.
Redguard looks really good imo, like a stamina version of Breton, but also with weapon/spell damage.
Imperials are just sustain and some health + stamina.. Pretty lackluster imo.
I'd say the races needing buffs are Argonians, Wood Elves, and Imperials. As for the flavor passives, a lot of them should be majorly buffed: like Argonians swim speed should be equivalent to maximum mount swim speed, otherwise, why would you ever just swim as an Argonian lol.
Anyway, just my thoughts. Also these changes probably wouldn't take a long time to implement, so no reason it couldn't also be included alongside the addition of Maormer as a playable race.
Nah, Nords resist passive + ult gen make them the best for both Tanking and healing........ The healing is dependant on actually using your ult though
Khajiits fall off in organized groups behind the 3 w/s damage races but is still super strong in PUGs, dungeons and PVP
If it wasn't for nords ult gen Breton would be the 100% no argument for any kind of healing and to most people it still is tbh
...... And in the eyes of most Red guards have the worst passives out of all and it's true.
I thought resistance was capped around 30k, but if you can go beyond that in PvE, then I can see how that would make them better tanks.
Also are you sure healers using a race with no weapon/spell damage and no sustain are the best? I feel like healing costs a ton of magicka and the amount healed scales primarily with your weapon/spell damage. I haven't played a healer in years though, so I could be wrong. I could see how the ultimate regen would be useful, though you have to take damage for it to be active. There are some bosses where you cannot take aggro/hits or you just die as the healer, so the passive wouldn't be useful in that situation, so even that seems a bit situational.
So I still think Argonians or Bretons would be the better race for healing.
The 2600 resist from nord makes a pretty massive difference in your build, it allows a tank to have the flexibility to build more for sustain. As both Atro mundus instead of the lady and less reinforced armor pieces givinf room for more divines/well fitted/sturdy really put tanks in a better position
TBH unless you are overcasting an expensive burst heal sustain is pretty much a non-issue and with pearls being the BiS healer mythic (unless in ROJO who doesn't have room for it) you don't want too much sustain anyway
And any tick of damage would proc the ult gen, so yeah the ult gen would pretty much get proc'd on cooldown in almost all content
Jestir
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Re: It’s Time. Drop the Class System.
In a perspective where the game goes towards, getting rid of the class idea would be logical.
However, there are still lots of technical questions devs have to solve. Some of them:
1. Creating a character. A simple "chose 3 skill lines of 21 to start" won't work that easily for a new player. It is overwhelming and breaks the starter experience. Prioritizing some branches over others or grouping them turns to a templating, that is a light form of... ta-daaa... class system.
2. Further separating the class skill lines from others would be an outdated construct. No question about the crafting lines, sure. Weapon and armor lines are ok. Guild lines... mmm... fine, but no, not fine. The guild, world, and pvp skill lines are obtainable and have an inner connection each. By the idea, the only difference between them and class lines is that class ones are obtainable by having a class. See what we come into? Why can we have only 3 of these lines, but all the others can be active simultaneously? The whole skill line system would require consequential rework because we have lots of "class system" legacy structures there.
3. Opening the skill lines require further rework too. Todays class lines would have been obtainable in some way. I like how it is done for weapon lines. It also can be done in WW/Vamp style, like an NPC who offers, "Do you want to master an animal magic?" Lots of work and lots of legacy here too. If you leave it as is, you'll have a ghost of the class system over you even if you declare that it is removed.
Emotionally, I won't love a pure no-class system. That would be a different game.
Call me a conservative old man, but I like my alts, who have their own classes, quentas, and personalities. I created them to play different styles and roles. Today I rarely login to them due to subclassing, and I miss them.
Class rework with some revamping of the class identity could fix it a bit, I believe.
However, there are still lots of technical questions devs have to solve. Some of them:
1. Creating a character. A simple "chose 3 skill lines of 21 to start" won't work that easily for a new player. It is overwhelming and breaks the starter experience. Prioritizing some branches over others or grouping them turns to a templating, that is a light form of... ta-daaa... class system.
2. Further separating the class skill lines from others would be an outdated construct. No question about the crafting lines, sure. Weapon and armor lines are ok. Guild lines... mmm... fine, but no, not fine. The guild, world, and pvp skill lines are obtainable and have an inner connection each. By the idea, the only difference between them and class lines is that class ones are obtainable by having a class. See what we come into? Why can we have only 3 of these lines, but all the others can be active simultaneously? The whole skill line system would require consequential rework because we have lots of "class system" legacy structures there.
3. Opening the skill lines require further rework too. Todays class lines would have been obtainable in some way. I like how it is done for weapon lines. It also can be done in WW/Vamp style, like an NPC who offers, "Do you want to master an animal magic?" Lots of work and lots of legacy here too. If you leave it as is, you'll have a ghost of the class system over you even if you declare that it is removed.
Emotionally, I won't love a pure no-class system. That would be a different game.
Call me a conservative old man, but I like my alts, who have their own classes, quentas, and personalities. I created them to play different styles and roles. Today I rarely login to them due to subclassing, and I miss them.
Class rework with some revamping of the class identity could fix it a bit, I believe.
Re: Do not open all of your Tome Caches at once!
At the very least, opening a cache should be a long-press (or the equiv on PC.) Right now on console,
I suspect Alcast/ESO-Hub got it from PTS, but I don't know for sure.
AFAICT, the only place the information is available on an official ESO source* is the one helpfile in game.
(*outside of the forums/reddit after the Tome launch)
ETA: This is the most thorough ESO-created information source I can find. It's not there.
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/guides/tamrieltomes
I watched all the streams. I read all the articles. And I didn't know. It IS in places like Alcast's and ESO-Hub's overviews, but I didn't read those because I wanted to avoid any spoilers that ESO wasn't giving out. That, I hope, is reasonable?I‘m truly sorry for all of you. I really am.
But I must say that I was aware of this mechanic. So they have said that at some point before the season began.
It‘s not true that there was zero info about this before.
I suspect Alcast/ESO-Hub got it from PTS, but I don't know for sure.
AFAICT, the only place the information is available on an official ESO source* is the one helpfile in game.
(*outside of the forums/reddit after the Tome launch)
ETA: This is the most thorough ESO-created information source I can find. It's not there.
https://www.elderscrollsonline.com/en-us/guides/tamrieltomes
Re: [Poll] Did you purchased the new battle pass?
I purchased the premium one. I found the price point to be very fair. The new system is definitely an improvement and it adds more reasons for people to play. And in some cases play together depending on the task. All good things.
Re: [Poll] Did you purchased the new battle pass?
I'm in money-saving mode so paying for the premium tier is an easy pass. I do have my 12 tokens from ESO+, so I'll cash those in whenever the premium rewards are enticing enough.
Ilsabet
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Re: Expiration for tome points and tome point caches?
PoveusRonin wrote: »When season 1 starts, 2k tome points will carry over but the rest will expire. Ok, what if you have the premium that allows season 0 to stay open, does that mean you still lose the points that you could spend there?
This whole thing is getting more and more confusing the more I am reading about it.
When season 1 starts, the season 0 tome will still be available to purchase from. However your tome points will be limited to however many carried over, and what you have stored in caches.
Re: [Poll] Did you purchased the new battle pass?
I bought it to enthusiastically embrace the new model. While the rewards aren’t bad, I regret my purchase because of the Tome Points expiration issue. I was forced to buy things with those points so they’re not wasted. They were useful items but I wouldn’t have bought them otherwise.
I’m not feeling endeared to the new system because of that and the UI, so I don’t know if I will purchase the next one.
It feels like overall this is just a monetized version of Endeavors. I would have preferred that system be improved and made more rewarding than this. Instead we have more layers of currencies and incentives and pressure. Doesn’t feel good.
Players have been asking for less FOMO and more rewards and it just doesn’t seem like they will accommodate that without mostly paid or time-limited solutions.
With their stated goal of strengthening the core game, I think they need to appreciate that quests aren’t the only solution. It’s strong, permanent systems with strong, permanent rewards.
I’m not feeling endeared to the new system because of that and the UI, so I don’t know if I will purchase the next one.
It feels like overall this is just a monetized version of Endeavors. I would have preferred that system be improved and made more rewarding than this. Instead we have more layers of currencies and incentives and pressure. Doesn’t feel good.
Players have been asking for less FOMO and more rewards and it just doesn’t seem like they will accommodate that without mostly paid or time-limited solutions.
With their stated goal of strengthening the core game, I think they need to appreciate that quests aren’t the only solution. It’s strong, permanent systems with strong, permanent rewards.
Destai
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Re: Time Spent Playing Has Increased Dramatically
TheGamerSeal wrote: »Disclaimer: If respecting players' time spent in-game is truly a goal for ZeniMax, then I would ask the decision makers to kindly consider this request and take action as soon as possible. Thank you again for your time and patience.
If respecting players' time spent in-game was truly a goal for ZeniMax, the tome points wouldn't expire. I suspect most people's lives are lived in seasons as well; there might be times when entire days can be spent doing weeklies, and then they're lucky if they can log in for ten minutes to get the daily crafting writs done. I know that's certainly how my life is. As mentioned in another thread, building up points to save for the future doing activities we enjoy is fun for at least some of us. I know I often used to do that with seals, because I enjoy, for instance, simple exploration while looking for crafting materials when I don't have time to do anything more substantial in the game.
As it is, I'm with @lookstwice. I feel no motivation to go back to this game at all, even with the festival I usually enjoy. I already overpaid to have what I want from the current tome, so there's no point in accumulating more points for no reason. There's little incentive to go back next season, because it's incredibly unlikely I'll have the time to gain enough points to even unlock the rest of the tome, and I don't want the points I do accumulate auto spending on inventory clutter I don't want when THAT season ends.
The point of video games is, still, to build something people want to pay for and play, right? 'Cause this is starting to feel like "The Producers" in the modern, video game era...
Re: [Poll] Did you purchased the new battle pass?
I have zero interest on group content like Night Market. I really like ESO crafting, exploration, questing and pvp. When I first time left ESO it was when they added Craglorn and it was only for groups and I even could not research my last traits without joining some random groups.
This season is experimental and do not deserve to spend money yet for my liking. When they add the other parts, like solo dungeons, puzzle instances and even underwater exploration or increased difficulty I can consider buying battle pass depending on how much forced group content includes.
I still subbed ESO+ to support devs, as I really think they are trying to add content for every type of players, but simply and sadly this season has nothing to offer for me as a solo player.
It took 2 days for me to finnish weekly chalanges and I see now no reason to play for the reamaining 5 days till the reset as I have zero progression on the season. I will come and check when Vengeance campaign starts and hoping they will not have a gated content on gaining ranks as it is now on the season pass.
This season is experimental and do not deserve to spend money yet for my liking. When they add the other parts, like solo dungeons, puzzle instances and even underwater exploration or increased difficulty I can consider buying battle pass depending on how much forced group content includes.
I still subbed ESO+ to support devs, as I really think they are trying to add content for every type of players, but simply and sadly this season has nothing to offer for me as a solo player.
It took 2 days for me to finnish weekly chalanges and I see now no reason to play for the reamaining 5 days till the reset as I have zero progression on the season. I will come and check when Vengeance campaign starts and hoping they will not have a gated content on gaining ranks as it is now on the season pass.
Thalmar
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Re: [Poll] Did you purchased the new battle pass?
I did buy the regular one because I appreciate that they're trying something new and I wanted to support the game and give them a chance to follow through this year. I want to like what they're doing, I really do.
But, going forward the premium offerings would have to be quite a bit more interesting to entice me to pay again. There are a couple items of interest in the premium tier, but there's a scary amount of filler / junk in there. At least from the perspective of a long-term player.
They will also need to work out the bugs and rough edges of the tome system. It hasn't been a great roll-out. There are significant differences in points awarded between some of the tasks, and it feels too rng-based.
I got low-point tasks that are just tedious and boring, while others I know got high point tasks that are too difficult for them or not content that interests them. It seems like there is a limited variety of tasks. Re-rolls should not give you the same task again. Once again they have a system that heavily relies on their flawed rng foundation, where the results are absolutely not random and players regularly get stuck in repeating patterns.
Finally, having it so you have to repeat each task multiple times is boring. Standing there in a huge crowd waiting for the same boss to spawn over and over again so that it can melt in 3 seconds is the laziest, worst, unengaging "content". More re-rolls, more variety, more generic tasks and choices (like "kill any WB in these zones" as opposed to "kill a specific WB over and over").
And most of all, the actual content that's coming is going to have to be interesting and engaging, or this system is all for naught. I've always said, if I'm enjoying the game and actively playing it, and others are doing so and the vibe is lively and happy, I will spend. But I'm not going to force myself to repeat dry old content just to grind a tome when there's nothing new to do.
I am just not having fun at this time, and it's not great.
But, going forward the premium offerings would have to be quite a bit more interesting to entice me to pay again. There are a couple items of interest in the premium tier, but there's a scary amount of filler / junk in there. At least from the perspective of a long-term player.
They will also need to work out the bugs and rough edges of the tome system. It hasn't been a great roll-out. There are significant differences in points awarded between some of the tasks, and it feels too rng-based.
I got low-point tasks that are just tedious and boring, while others I know got high point tasks that are too difficult for them or not content that interests them. It seems like there is a limited variety of tasks. Re-rolls should not give you the same task again. Once again they have a system that heavily relies on their flawed rng foundation, where the results are absolutely not random and players regularly get stuck in repeating patterns.
Finally, having it so you have to repeat each task multiple times is boring. Standing there in a huge crowd waiting for the same boss to spawn over and over again so that it can melt in 3 seconds is the laziest, worst, unengaging "content". More re-rolls, more variety, more generic tasks and choices (like "kill any WB in these zones" as opposed to "kill a specific WB over and over").
And most of all, the actual content that's coming is going to have to be interesting and engaging, or this system is all for naught. I've always said, if I'm enjoying the game and actively playing it, and others are doing so and the vibe is lively and happy, I will spend. But I'm not going to force myself to repeat dry old content just to grind a tome when there's nothing new to do.
I am just not having fun at this time, and it's not great.
