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Re: Deconstructing Furniture
Whilst I am not adverse to furniture decon, for me I have some issues......
Here I am talking about crafted furniture, which tbh is the most likely to be included in a decon situation.
Each piece of furniture is made from multiple materials, if there's one thing we already know from the gear/weapon decon currently available is the returns are pretty poor!
I personally would not use a furniture decon system that returned minimal furnishing mats, especially the more expensive style mat.......
I'd rather store it!
Here I am talking about crafted furniture, which tbh is the most likely to be included in a decon situation.
Each piece of furniture is made from multiple materials, if there's one thing we already know from the gear/weapon decon currently available is the returns are pretty poor!
I personally would not use a furniture decon system that returned minimal furnishing mats, especially the more expensive style mat.......
I'd rather store it!
Re: It's time to NERF new DK.
We have been dealing with full imbalanced PvP for 4+ years now, ever since U34 and for many years before that too. 2 more years with all classes (and WW/Vamp/non class skills) getting their turn to shine thanks to their respective refreshes won't be any more damaging to PvP than what we have been through over the past 4+ years in PvP:
- U34 with savage werewolf bowsorc
- U35 Oakensoul 1 bar bomb builds (immortal 1 bar necro ranged bombers thanks to the mender buff + pre-nerf Oakensoul)
- U36 chill-den and (bugged) potl plar
- U37 to U41 reworked NB (was actually also part of the meta in U35/36, but the above classes/builds were more common)
- U41 to U43 Ward Sorc with a side of NB
- U43 to U46 NB
- U46 to U48 sub-classed meta build (animal + assassin + X)
- U49 Refreshed DK
- U50 maybe refreshed Werewolf*
- U51 maybe refreshed Warden*
- U52 maybe refreshed Sorc*
- U53 maybe refreshed Plar*
- U54 maybe refreshed NB* (or Necro, I forget the order of these 2 classes)
- U55 maybe refreshed Necro* (or NB, I forget the order of these 2 classes)
- U56 maybe refreshed Arc*
*Pending assuming these refreshes are on par with the DK refresh.
Also note, (I can't remember the exact patch number) but on release Arcanist was the meta for a while and was everywhere thanks to it's bugged charm CC that was unbreakable and was a guaranteed 5+ second stun, so technically all classes (and sub-classing) have had their moment as the meta during this time, with some (NB and sub-classing) having significantly longer periods than others (necro, arc, plar).
Over this time, the game has already spiraled completely out of control, but currently the only builds that are at that level are the meta sub-classed builds and now the refreshed DK. The other classes are being brought up slowly, but it takes time and focus to get things right (see DK refresh) that I highly doubt it's possible to do all classes at the same time (especially since the loud minority within the community loves to kill off buffs to anything not named NB before they make it to live).
Personally I would have preferred to see DK refresh release to live delayed by 1 patch and release Warden alongside it as a double release to start the refresh project to give players more than 1 option for the first refresh patch, but I don't know the inner workings at ZOS and maybe the population decline due to sub-classing was too great that even delaying by 1 patch would have been too much, or maybe there was something else entirely that meant a delay of 1 patch was not feasible.
As for "balancing things from the start, what are we balancing them against?
- If we balance the refreshed classes against non-refreshed pure classes, the refreshes will do less than nothing to bring pure classes up to par with sub-classing builds and sub-classed builds will remain the only meta for the next 2 years until all of the meta sub-classed lines are refreshed (with the 2 most egregious lines, Assassination and Herald of the Tome being at the end of the refresh making it the full wait).
- If we balance them against sub-classed builds, then refreshed classes will always be much stronger than non-refreshed classes because sub-classed builds are already that much stronger and we are trying to balance refreshed classes with these significantly stronger sub-classed builds, but this will allow us to play other things and shake up the meta every few months until all of the classes have been refreshed, thus preventing the stale sub-class meta from lasting 3+ years.
Like I said earlier, the time to start complaining about the refreshes are at the end of this year when we have more details about the refresh project, and only if the Warden and Sorc refreshes don't match up to the DK refresh leaving an imbalanced meta even post refreshes. Based on what the devs have said, they want pure classes to be on par with where they expected sub-classing to land, while simultaneously shifting key skills/passives around such that the extremes of sub-classing are toned down to closer match the refreshed classes. Thus it's impossible to give proper informed and constructive feedback regarding the refreshes until we have more information on things like baseline power, playstyles, accessibility, etc. which we can only determine once we have more refreshes done.
We can point out things that might be potential issues for ZOS to take on board with their refreshes (things like near infinite sustain inhale, stackable/uncounterable CC such as the delayed CC on shattering rocks/fossilize, etc.) but in terms of calling for nerfs, we cannot truly give informed feedback on if the refreshes are too strong until we have more data to work with to know if these potential issues are actual outliers or just part of the new baseline ZOS has in mind for a post sub-classing ESO power level.
This isn't to say DK is not stronger than pre-refreshed classes, but instead of trying to kill off this refresh project with knee jerk reactions right at the very first step, before it really gets going like we as a community have been doing for almost 10 years now, lets at least wait and see beyond the first step if it will be likely to deliver or not so that we can actually provide good feedback that ZOS can use to deliver their stated goal, especially since this is a new team so we should be giving them at least 1 chance to see if they can deliver on their promises/directions.
- U34 with savage werewolf bowsorc
- U35 Oakensoul 1 bar bomb builds (immortal 1 bar necro ranged bombers thanks to the mender buff + pre-nerf Oakensoul)
- U36 chill-den and (bugged) potl plar
- U37 to U41 reworked NB (was actually also part of the meta in U35/36, but the above classes/builds were more common)
- U41 to U43 Ward Sorc with a side of NB
- U43 to U46 NB
- U46 to U48 sub-classed meta build (animal + assassin + X)
- U49 Refreshed DK
- U50 maybe refreshed Werewolf*
- U51 maybe refreshed Warden*
- U52 maybe refreshed Sorc*
- U53 maybe refreshed Plar*
- U54 maybe refreshed NB* (or Necro, I forget the order of these 2 classes)
- U55 maybe refreshed Necro* (or NB, I forget the order of these 2 classes)
- U56 maybe refreshed Arc*
*Pending assuming these refreshes are on par with the DK refresh.
Also note, (I can't remember the exact patch number) but on release Arcanist was the meta for a while and was everywhere thanks to it's bugged charm CC that was unbreakable and was a guaranteed 5+ second stun, so technically all classes (and sub-classing) have had their moment as the meta during this time, with some (NB and sub-classing) having significantly longer periods than others (necro, arc, plar).
Over this time, the game has already spiraled completely out of control, but currently the only builds that are at that level are the meta sub-classed builds and now the refreshed DK. The other classes are being brought up slowly, but it takes time and focus to get things right (see DK refresh) that I highly doubt it's possible to do all classes at the same time (especially since the loud minority within the community loves to kill off buffs to anything not named NB before they make it to live).
Personally I would have preferred to see DK refresh release to live delayed by 1 patch and release Warden alongside it as a double release to start the refresh project to give players more than 1 option for the first refresh patch, but I don't know the inner workings at ZOS and maybe the population decline due to sub-classing was too great that even delaying by 1 patch would have been too much, or maybe there was something else entirely that meant a delay of 1 patch was not feasible.
As for "balancing things from the start, what are we balancing them against?
- If we balance the refreshed classes against non-refreshed pure classes, the refreshes will do less than nothing to bring pure classes up to par with sub-classing builds and sub-classed builds will remain the only meta for the next 2 years until all of the meta sub-classed lines are refreshed (with the 2 most egregious lines, Assassination and Herald of the Tome being at the end of the refresh making it the full wait).
- If we balance them against sub-classed builds, then refreshed classes will always be much stronger than non-refreshed classes because sub-classed builds are already that much stronger and we are trying to balance refreshed classes with these significantly stronger sub-classed builds, but this will allow us to play other things and shake up the meta every few months until all of the classes have been refreshed, thus preventing the stale sub-class meta from lasting 3+ years.
Like I said earlier, the time to start complaining about the refreshes are at the end of this year when we have more details about the refresh project, and only if the Warden and Sorc refreshes don't match up to the DK refresh leaving an imbalanced meta even post refreshes. Based on what the devs have said, they want pure classes to be on par with where they expected sub-classing to land, while simultaneously shifting key skills/passives around such that the extremes of sub-classing are toned down to closer match the refreshed classes. Thus it's impossible to give proper informed and constructive feedback regarding the refreshes until we have more information on things like baseline power, playstyles, accessibility, etc. which we can only determine once we have more refreshes done.
We can point out things that might be potential issues for ZOS to take on board with their refreshes (things like near infinite sustain inhale, stackable/uncounterable CC such as the delayed CC on shattering rocks/fossilize, etc.) but in terms of calling for nerfs, we cannot truly give informed feedback on if the refreshes are too strong until we have more data to work with to know if these potential issues are actual outliers or just part of the new baseline ZOS has in mind for a post sub-classing ESO power level.
This isn't to say DK is not stronger than pre-refreshed classes, but instead of trying to kill off this refresh project with knee jerk reactions right at the very first step, before it really gets going like we as a community have been doing for almost 10 years now, lets at least wait and see beyond the first step if it will be likely to deliver or not so that we can actually provide good feedback that ZOS can use to deliver their stated goal, especially since this is a new team so we should be giving them at least 1 chance to see if they can deliver on their promises/directions.
The Hundredth Rabbit of Wrothgar
The snow lay quiet across Wrothgar, unbroken save for the steady passage of hooves.
Taarente Stormaen, Grand Overlord, rode at an unhurried pace, her indrik Sable moving with calm assurance.
There were no war horns.
No banners.
No scouts reporting enemy movement.
Only a small rabbit beneath a frost-laden tree.
Taarente reined in.
For a moment, she said nothing.
Sable lowered her head slightly, watching.
The rabbit twitched once, unaware it had become, for reasons unclear, a matter of importance.
Taarente considered it with the same measured calm she might bring to a siege.
“I do not believe this is what they meant by conquest.”
The staff came to hand. Lightning gathered, clean, precise, utterly disproportionate.
The rabbit did not resist.
Later, when the count had reached one hundred, the snow told its own quiet story.
Taarente stood still, looking across the hillside.
“This is not a campaign,” she said at last. “It is an accounting exercise.”
They rode back without ceremony.
No songs marked their return. Only a merchant, polite and unsurprised, accepted the tally.
A small, soft toy rabbit was placed upon the counter.
Taarente regarded it for a moment, then set down the tokens she had earned.
“We came here with purpose once,” she said quietly. “I should like to do so again.”
They left the toy where it lay.
And turned their path toward something that mattered.
Taarente Stormaen, Grand Overlord, rode at an unhurried pace, her indrik Sable moving with calm assurance.
There were no war horns.
No banners.
No scouts reporting enemy movement.
Only a small rabbit beneath a frost-laden tree.
Taarente reined in.
For a moment, she said nothing.
Sable lowered her head slightly, watching.
The rabbit twitched once, unaware it had become, for reasons unclear, a matter of importance.
Taarente considered it with the same measured calm she might bring to a siege.
“I do not believe this is what they meant by conquest.”
The staff came to hand. Lightning gathered, clean, precise, utterly disproportionate.
The rabbit did not resist.
Later, when the count had reached one hundred, the snow told its own quiet story.
Taarente stood still, looking across the hillside.
“This is not a campaign,” she said at last. “It is an accounting exercise.”
They rode back without ceremony.
No songs marked their return. Only a merchant, polite and unsurprised, accepted the tally.
A small, soft toy rabbit was placed upon the counter.
Taarente regarded it for a moment, then set down the tokens she had earned.
“We came here with purpose once,” she said quietly. “I should like to do so again.”
They left the toy where it lay.
And turned their path toward something that mattered.
Taarente
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Loremaster's Archive: The Night Market
Hi everyone! It’s time for a new Loremaster’s Archive! The Curator is stepping up to share their knowledge about the Night Market. From patrons, districts, items, etc., anything Night Market is on the table. Submit your questions on these topics between now and April 13, and we’ll select a few for the Curator to answer in the next several weeks.*
*Note that we cannot answer all your questions on these topics, and, of course, we will endeavor to avoid spoilers for the Night Market.
*Note that we cannot answer all your questions on these topics, and, of course, we will endeavor to avoid spoilers for the Night Market.
Re: putting it out there now: night market time limit
FOMO. Nothing has changed with this companies strategy people,wake up.
duagloth
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Re: It's time to NERF new DK.
Militan1404 wrote: »CalamityCat wrote: »So I guess you haven't noticed all the subclass builds that have been hitting like a truck for the past year? Because they're still around and still trashing the balance in PvP. Your focus on the DK seems to have conveniently missed that.Incredible.
Everyone is aware of the imbalance but thinks it's normal and asks other players to be patient for two years.
I can't believe it.
The changes are already in game and more are coming, so nobody is having to wait for two years! Though on the subject of patience, as a pure class PvP player I've been killed by the most stupidly OP subclass builds for about a year now. I'm still not screaming that subclassing should be nerfed or deleted. Nor am I complaining about DKs. I'm fighting DKs daily with the same pure builds and going by my logs, subclassers are still hitting insane numbers. From my perspective, the complaints about DKs are hilarious. I find them tough but they're absolutely killable. There is a degree of exaggeration in these PvP nerf threads that I can't always take seriously...
I am genuinely going to enjoy the upcoming "nerf wardens" chorus when my main gets updated though.
Theres a big diffence between sub classes and DKs, sub classes has the assasin/animal/storm that is overperforming(that we been screaming to be balanced for months allready) in pvp and thats really it, but is no where near what DK is doing at the moment so stop spreading misinformation. No subclass build could one shot you, and the skills are way to stacked and do to much, dosent matter if they give pure class skills becouse the DK could still one shot players. And whats the plan? Put every class in line with the dk so everyone can run around one shoting players like its an shoot’em up. It also putting players of the game, lots of guildes have left becouse of it, and cyro is only complains about it, and the game is emtyer than ever so it certenly didnt bring inn anymore players.
Steam charts show we've been mostly gaining players since January.
ETA
Also, it's up on the top selling games.
IDK about the PvP population, you may be right about it. But the current strategy seems to be working right now. Many seem to like the DK refresh and tomes if these are anything to by. I think Season 1 will be the real test though as the Chapter drop is traditionally when we get the most players.
Re: It's time to NERF new DK.
Hello ZOS Combat Team, @ZOS_BrianWheeler
Given the increasing number of complaints regarding the new version of the DragonKnight, I think it's time for a nerf.
Why can't we wait until you update our other classes?
Well, because it would take too long.
We want to play, right?
You can keep the beautiful animations, but reduce its power, however you can, find a way.
Thank you.
OH BROTHER. Here we go with this. The game is being balanced, one class at a time. Classes without the rework will seem underpowered in some aspects. Get over it. This is for the longevity of the game.
If it seems overpowered after ALL class reworks are done, then come back here and post again.
IV_Deity
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Re: Can Walks-Like-Thunder Calm Down Please?
This was complained about way back when Murkmire dropped, and was barely addressed. Given how absurdly tanky recent WB fights have become, I doubt they're going to change it at all.
Re: Can we get an update about the working on crossplay/ cross progression please?
It has not been a quiet topic, they bring it up almost every livestream.
They are still working on it. It will not be this year.
They are still working on it. It will not be this year.
Malyore
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