Xarc wrote: »

Vraedlich wrote: »

The other classes just need similar passes.

Until then there is zero reason to complain. You have access to both DKs and subclassing.

I play PvP.
I don't play DK, but I play against them, and there's clearly a difference compared to other classes.
I don't use subclassing for most of my PvP characters (only healers in battlegrounds, but not in Cyrodiil).

What you don't understand is that I'm not saying DKs aren't fun to play; they're probably very fun. But if your definition of fun is that you now easily crush other classes, then we have different definitions. We can easily make slight adjustments that allow for a slight rebalancing; we're not going to wait 150 years for all the classes to be rebalanced, that's ridiculous.

Note that I have two DK characters that I've tested, of course, and yes, I've noticed the change. It's completely different.
I maintain that this rework needs to be slightly modified.

Malyore wrote: »

WE'RE NOT ALL DKS!

Using a DK subclass on your character makes you a DK in this discussion.

You are having a very hard time with the idea that people who do not play DKs... at ALL, are supporting NOT nerfing the DK changes right now. You also assumed that I subclassed DK in a previous post when I pointed out that I did not play DK when I supported not nerfing the class. I do not have a DK character, and I do not subclass as a DK. I have not touched the DK skills or play in ANY regaurd as a DK. Yet am still on the side of "do not nerf, wait for all classes to get their turn before calling out for nerfs". So please stop assuming every person supporting the class is either DK or subclassing as one. Some of us want to see the changes roll out first before lighting each class that gets buffed on fire.

I mean, just look at these new run animations!

https://youtube.com/shorts/9__96wp3pNc?si=fLP5t0LFXC_B7Eag

MoonPile wrote: »

I'd only add that the mats-in-dungeon thing would highly depend on which dungeon and how many guaranteed mats, because I really don't want any rehash, ever, of Mora's glass eyeballs in Scrivener's Hall. One of the most annoying things they've ever done regarding materials, helped only by the fact that they're now also attainable by chance via IA... another dungeon, and endless at that -_- I don't really want to do either.

Obviously a single dungeon that exclusively rewards furnishing materials would not be ideal -- my intention was to show decorators as a category aren't afraid of working hard to achieve our goals, the same as any other group of players. Very few people posting here are novices at the game. I have hardmode trial clears, and those weren't carries. I did my share of the work. I saw you use a statue of Yolnahkriin in one of your builds, which means you've done hardmode veteran Sunspire. The thing decorators are very reasonably unhappy about is that there is no reasonable amount of hard work that rewards them with the things they need to decorate. That's not been put in the game. The problem with overworld enemies is that it's just further work, annoyances, that provide zero rewards, and that's not an imposition other kinds of players have to contend with. Even trash mobs in trials can drop trial gear.

Ideally we would have a class of content that exists to give us the things we need for decorating. Several dungeons or trials. Puzzles. Heists. Something we can commit 30 to 60 minutes of playtime to without silly, meaningless interruptions, and make a measurable amount of progress towards our goals. That's not an unreasonable desire! That's the essence of the MMO genre.

Imagine, for the rest of you, if about every two minutes when you're in a battleground, a trial, or a dungeon, the UI changes to the housing editor, and you have to put down a single furnishing before you're allowed to go back to doing the thing you're actually trying to do. That's the style of imposition presented by hostile overworld trash. It doesn't matter that it's trivial - people posting builds and saying it's a skill issue are missing the point (Victernus and I are rocking Ansuuls, Velothi's, and Null Arca, which we earned with hard work.) It exists solely to slow one down. Not to challenge, reward, interest, immerse, entice, engage. Impede.

Admittedly, I love Scrivener's Hall. I think it's a cleverly designed dungeon, I enjoy its quirks. But man, it does not reward enough Glass Eyes to justify the work it requires. I even have the benefit of having a premade that runs with me and is perfectly happy to give me any glass eyes they get. And again, I think locking a class of reward into a single piece of content is a mistake. It's a recipe for resentment and burnout.

Honestly, until all classes are reworked, they should put a debuff in PvP that reduces their damage on their abilities as its literally ridiculous how much damage they are actually doing to my fully pvp geared healer.

I can see them running around only spamming molten whip, nothing else.. jump ult > molten whip > gg.. working as intended?

Either reduce them or lift the healing debuff so we can compete.

Xarc wrote: »

The DKs don't want to change anything.

But don't come crying when the new sorcerer one-shots you.

There are two kinds of PvPer. Those who scream for nerfs when they don't like whatever killed them, and those of us who know the flavour of the month will eventually change, and in the interim will focus on learning to counter and beat the current top meta builds.

The players most likely to complain about sorcs will be complaining about wardens soon, and most class revamps we get. Other than hoping the flappy bird gets grounded, I'm looking forward to having my sorc revamped and seeing more pure classes in PvP again.

If Gray Host and Vengeance are going to be the only PvP Cyrodiil zones going forward, at least that's what I think I heard, how about turning one of those others you intend to close into a PvE zone instead? @ZOS_Kevin

Engagement vs enjoyment (they’re not the same)

Engagement (what studios measure):
• Logins per day/week
• Time spent
• Tasks completed
• System interaction (tomes, passes, currencies)

Enjoyment (what players feel):
• “That was worth my time”
• Memorable moments
• Meaningful progress
• A sense of place and purpose

You can have high engagement with low enjoyment.

Cin_Vhetin wrote: »

Rishikesa108 wrote: »

Arunei wrote: »

What are you talking about, no logic? There IS logic, even if you don't like it or agree with it. Whether it's people or animals, it's still A GAME. Neither real people nor real animals are being harmed in any way.

Aren't dogs and cats pixels too?
Why can't these animals be killed if reality has nothing to do with it, if it's just a game, if they're all just pixels?
Why are obscene acts like teabagging strictly and rightly prohibited if they're just pixels doing things to other pixels?

It's true, we're in a video game, but in reality, there are people behind the keyboards, with feelings.
The pixels are realistic, and we're playing in an immersive environment.
I don't find anything strange in feeling disgusted at killing innocent creatures who can't even defend themselves.
I find it weirder when someone does it without even a flinch.

The difference between pixels is whether or not there is a real person using those pixels as a depiction/avatar of themselves, then it becomes player vs player which is why there are all kinds of rules regarding interactions within that context. Pixels that are not avatars of real people do not have the same rules, nor should they or we would not have a game at all. Imagine the protests for the trampled rights of lich, imps, or Molag Bal, real life protesters all lined up outside Zenimax HQ.

So, immersing yourself in the avatar is correct, but immersing yourself in the surrounding environment is not?

BretonMage wrote: »

No argument there. I happen to dislike the tendency to armchair psychoanalyse strangers so common on social media these days, so that's not what I'm doing here. People can have different reasons for doing or enjoying the things they do.

Some of us enjoy being somewhat immersed in our fantasy world, though of course this being an MMO, we share the space with those who just see targets to aim at. Which is expected. However I don't really need to be lectured that these are just pixels by the latter group. I mean, obviously I know that, but I pay to experience a fantasy world, so I'd like to be able to enjoy it in one of the intended ways and without judgement or condescension.

You get the point.

SneaK wrote: »

aetherix8 wrote: »

SneaK wrote: »

Hi ZOS,

Stop doing this, the majority of your PvP base does not want this washed game mode. We don’t want to contribute anything to your “testing” because we are against it. Frankly, it’s a waste of time. With all the good that’s being done recently in the studio this is the remaining outlier of a team clinging to one last bad decision. It feels like we’re just being reminded to stay skeptical of the PvP dev team’s vacuum decision making philosophy.


*edit*
Can we test PvE Vengeance on April 20th too?

Basically, your best option is to participate as early as it goes live, and spam dmg aoes en masse.
If all PvPers and their grannies show up and help testing whether the cap of 6 will or will not melt down the servers, we might be done with that test in a couple of days.
Boycotts are pointless now, Vengeance will go live, so if you want to have GH back faster then help test this change.
Not to mention that this test is perhaps the most important - in a megazerg environment such as Vengeance we need bombing more than ever, and a cap of 3 on dmg aoe is ridiculous beyond belief.

Ah yes, that’s right…. Hancho always has a reason or incentive for us to play Vengeance, in this case it’s so we can get GH back faster lol. What a joke. No thanks, hope they limit your AoEs to one person and yall can enjoy those Megabanger battles you mentioned at 61fps.

You can show your bad faith all you want, but the point stands: whining about a one-week test is pathetic when there is a practical solution to shorten its duration.

katanagirl1 wrote: »

So far it has been much more time for me than the old endeavors and I think I am on page 4 of the tome now. I do a lot of different game activities, but farming world bosses and overland creatures is not it either. If I continue to engage with the game in this manner I will begin to loathe logging in and play some other game where I don’t have a chore list.

Same. I said in another thread that I feel more pressure to log in and do specific tasks now than I did when we just had endeavors and golden pursuits. It's even had me considering how much I want to engage with the tomes at all, as in maybe I should just put them on ignore, and any tome points I earn will come naturally. If that means I can't buy a lot of the shinies, so be it.

It's the unlocking of the pages that kills it for me. Stuff on later pages doesn't just cost 300 points or whatever. It actually costs 300+the thousands of points you need to unlock the page. If all the pages were unlocked from the start, I wouldn't feel like I have to be on that hamster wheel, running as fast as I can. As it is, I've already decided to reduce my time in-game to what it was pre-tomes, and again, if that means no shinies, fine, but it certainly leaves a bad taste in my mouth. I'm also reconsidering buying the premium tomes - no point if I can't get the later pages unlocked unless I'm willing to increase my play time at the expense of other things I have to do or enjoy doing. I'm not willing to do that.