YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Many of which are exactly the sorts of things that would get you literally banned by anti-cheat mechanisms in other games.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Further, nobody should be particularly interested in what WoW or any other non-ESO MMO does or does not do with respect to add-ons. We play THIS game.

I will let myself one last comment: please try to stick with one opinion next time, stop trolling on the forum.

imPDA wrote: »

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Many of which are exactly the sorts of things that would get you literally banned by anti-cheat mechanisms in other games.

YandereGirlfriend wrote: »

Further, nobody should be particularly interested in what WoW or any other non-ESO MMO does or does not do with respect to add-ons. We play THIS game.

I will let myself one last comment: please try to stick with one opinion next time, stop trolling on the forum.

I am beginning to suspect that you are not primarily a PvP player, and, as such, are not particularly invested in the many valid points raised in this thread regarding competitive fairness and performance.

When I can write an add-on that displays, for example, enemy Shalks and Proxy timers, then we are no longer PvP'ing. That is, to ESO PvP, what something like wall hacks are to Counterstrike. This is currently possible and is but one small example as to the clear oversights and undue leniency currently permitted by ZOS to add-on developers.

I would defy anyone to present a compelling argument as to why information on enemy stats, attacks, and states, information that is normally concealed from players or that requires attentive play to recognize via specific tells, also known as using your skill at PvP, should be available to anyone via third-party means. Meanwhile, the case against it makes itself.

Does ZOS know that this sort of functionality is possible? Unlikely. Just as they did not know about the old Miat's warning players of incoming projectile attacks or more recently about the impact of Map Pings and Bandits.

Guess what? I was a victim of Bandits and its overuse/abuse of the Map Pings hack, for lack of a better word. My internet connection is not particularly strong and thus my performance cratered when grouped with Bandits users flooding me with their attempts to share data. That is why I feel quite strongly about this issue. I didn't run Bandits as I choose not run any add-ons. Instead, however, I was subjected to it by others through no fault or opt-in of my own. Why did it take a random user with Wireshark to come forward about that? Why wasn't it caught by one of the parties actually responsible for it? It does not inspire confidence that the oversight over the content or cost of add-ons is particularly robust. That goes triple for add-ons not found on ESOUI. As private add-ons are often private for a reason... to avoid detection and scrutiny (which is basically mens rae that what you are doing is sketchy).

Moreover, wouldn't it be nice to die in PvP and to have confidence that you were actually beaten by the skill of the opponent and not by the add-on suite run by the opponent? Or that, when game performance dips, that it is the fault of the game and only of the game? We can have that future. The vast majority of players who choose either not to use add-ons at all or who use only basic UI add-ons with no data-sharing are not the problem. The problems are enumerated above and would likely only find defenders among those currently using them for, in my opinion, unearned competitive gain.