MincMincMinc wrote: »

0$ content that was designed for toddlers means nothing to anyone who realistically plays the game daily. It is going to take many releases with truly difficult content for the "why pay for anything" concept to go away. People have been paying for years and years of nothing burgers. Probably why so many people talk like zos is indebted to them.

MMO players are mostly casual players. Most games don't have challenging content across the board. ZOS are taking steps to alter that and give us the option of harder overland content.

"Just go back in time and imagine if all of eso content was as difficult as craglorn was or the other original dlc zones." - the game wouldn't have survived.

wolfie1.0. wrote: »

Is it inconvenient to play without eso+? Ya but it can be managed. Especially now that you can basically store all but style, trait and provisioning mats in unopened surveys.

Second best DD I know, I won''t say first best as their ego is already wayyy to big (love you, buddy), doesn't have ESO+. Gets DLCs through gifting, doesn't care about housing, gets any cosmetics they want from the crown store, lives his best life.

Last'One wrote: »

I’m here only to read the comments and see the ship sinking harder than the Titanic.

Well, given this forum is rarely anything but negative, and there seems to be an abundance of positive posts, you may be disappointed.

Gabriel_H wrote: »

1: New zone, requiring new lore to explain it
2: New stories, requiring the addition of new lore
3: A new game system, requiring new lore
4: A new group event system, requiring new lore
5: A new type of event, requiring new lore
6: A new trial, requiring new lore
7: A new world event, requring new lore
I'm disappointed there is no dungeon this year, but ZOS' new model, and time can still alter that. But to say there is nothing new? To complain "just ... qol and class changes they should listened to us years ago about." while ignoring they are listening now? Really?!

It's not nothing, but it's much less lore than a story dlc or chapter could bring. That's the issue.

Also, "system" doesn't necessarily mean there's new playable content let alone meaningful lore attached to it. Being able to trade those event bars for items was also called a "system" in the stream, though it's probably the same as with the Impresaria (or Nenulaure at the Belkarth event market) - barely more than clicking on things in an inventory list. The only "lore" you'll get there will likely be a few lines of dialogue with the seller npc(s).

Gadamlub14_ESO wrote: »

Poss wrote: »

Isn’t the battle pass just full of cosmetic items?

Don’t want to pay $30 then don’t?

thats also where all your endevors, daily login rewards, and holiday tickets are going. i'd bet 10k crowns that the "free" ones are going to be miniscule compared to the rest, or an unholy painful grind for the free ones. maybe both. you forget this is zenimax that charges us 10$ if we want to change our characters hair color

Are you being earnest about that bet? Because I will take you up on that.

Zos has stated, that the free tier awards is going to be focused on trade bars and seals. They already said to the public that you can unlock up to 8000 seals, which about the same as what you would get if you logged in every day, did 3 endeavors as well as rhe weekly ones. And you dont have to login daily.

As for trade bars, zos is losing money on these as the pressure to buy event tickets is now gone. Even the pressure to spend event tickets or lose them is gone. You can go on vacation and come back during an event and not lose out on collectibles.

The only thing you lose out on with not buying a season is that if you dont it doesnt persist, but most of the stuff will be collectibles and increases on the free stuff you can earn (most likely)

Most of those collectible items will likely return in future seasons as either lower tier rewards or in the bazaar. (Speculation)

The only disadvantage to this is that you basically lose the ability to login collect daily reward, and logout. Which zos understandably doesn't like.

Ravynmagi wrote: »

I'm thinking it's time for me to take a break from ESO and look at what else is out there. Game is asking for premium pricing for what I don't feel like is a premium product.

No, it isn't.

Anilahation wrote: »

Let's check the new ESO model. ESO+ $15, 3 Battle passes $60 which is $270.

If WoW or FFXIV release an expansion WoW $230 and FFXIV $220

Then there's RuneScape that's $168

These are all non bulk buys, so you are just simply subbed every month

Then if we look at idk PoE2 that is $40, has microtransactions, gets new content every 3 months ($40)

Diablo 4 that is $40+$40 for the most recent expansion and they get a new season every few months then charging you $10 for the battle pass 2025 had 5 seasons so thats $130 for all the Diablo 4 content annually give or take... so you still have $140 you could spend on super expensive $25 skins if you wanted.

Marvel Rivals selling $10 battle pass and individual cosmetics.

Fortnite crew being $11 a month, that gives you access to the current battle pass and exclusive crew rewards.

The main thing i'm getting at is, while I love ESO it needs to charge according to the market and its price tag hardly matches with what its competitors are offering at lower price yields.

I think the price for ESO+ should be $15 a month to match its competitor and every 5 months should give you a battle pass "token" making $ESO annual price $210 which is still cheaper than its competitors but you have the crown crates and other microtransactions to make up for that $10-$20 difference)

The main problem for me is that I don't like WoW or FFXIV try as I might. Ah well.

It's hard for me to understand the arguments some people make that this game is not super expensive compared to alternatives. It is way too expensive, and that turns away potential players.

The premium version of the latest expansion was what, $70? Or $80? Something like that. That is the cost of a AAA on release. A brand new player who springs for the premium version of the latest expansion, probably thinking it has all previous content included (because a brand new player is not going to understand DLC vs "chapter"), enters the game with quite a shock. Right on the new character creation screen, they see they are locked out of the Imperial race and almost half of the classes. Some will quit and get a refund right then. If they do continue, they see in-game that they are locked out of tons more stuff. Many zones, more than half of the dungeons, even such TES classics as the thieves guild and dark brotherhood. Unlocking all of this costs hundreds more dollars.

None of this has anything to do with cosmetics. It is a major reason that the new player churn in this game is unreal. And now that Steam allows refunds, I'm sure that impacts them as well. The leadership is very smart to be trying to address this. There is more they can do, but it is very reassuring to see them taking some baby steps in the right direction. Monetization of some sort is 100% necessary, but locking players out of so much of the game unless they spend so much up front or sub is not the way. Players PURCHASE the game, and a major selling point is that a sub is not required. So saying all of the content is included in ESO+ is also not the answer.