Can we put the effects on item sets and not the styles? It is a weird exception to the rules of how every other effect similar to it works.

Also let all classes wear the styles please. It's limiting for no good reason.

hoangdz wrote: »

on par with pure DK

Still wanna nerf DK? xD

Looks like easy infinite sustain is their new standard for build PvP.

And? What about it? Are you suddenly not going to be able to complete content bc you got nerfed? That sounds like more of a player skill issue than one brought about by nerfs. Oh no, the boss you've already fought died 30 seconds later than it did before the nerf. Please be serious.

Let’s say I want to run the Spattering Disjunction class set for Arcanist, what would pair best with it?

Class Mastery Feedback – Healers & Tanks

1. Did Class Mastery help in providing a meaningful boost to power for playing as a solo class?

For support roles (healers and tanks), the system does not currently provide a meaningful increase in power.

Support effectiveness is measured through group impact, not personal output. Most Class Mastery passives are too passive, conditional, or low-impact to significantly affect real gameplay, and therefore do not feel like a meaningful power increase when playing without subclassing.

2. Do you feel this system helps in allowing for more player agency in a post subclassing play environment?

Not for support roles. Subclassing currently provides:

Reliable group buffs
Resource sustain
Strong, identity-defining utility

Class Mastery does not offer an equivalent level of impact, which results in a lack of real choice. Healers and tanks are effectively forced into subclassing because the opportunity cost of losing that group utility is too high.

3. What are the things you like about Class Mastery?

It brings a strong concept with potential for build diversity, an opportunity to reinforce class identity, and opens space for alternative playstyles.

4. What places do you think could use improvement with Class Mastery?

1. Utility is too weak compared to subclassing

Effects do not meaningfully impact group performance
Not strong enough to justify replacing subclass utility

2. Effects are too conditional or inconsistent

Health thresholds and niche triggers reduce reliability
Support roles need consistent uptime, not situational value

3. Lack of group-oriented design

Many passives feel like they were designed for DPS (self-focused bonuses)
Healers and tanks need group-wide impact, not personal gain

4. Passives are not role-defining and can be taken by DPS

Some utility passives are generic enough that DPS can take them with little tradeoff. Because of this, they are tuned conservatively, which further weakens their value for supports. This results in passives that are not strong for supports, but still accessible to DPS, creating poor role identity

5. Opportunity cost is too high

Losing subclassing means losing proven, high-impact utility. Class Mastery does not currently compensate for that loss

5. Any other general thoughts around Class Mastery?

For support roles, Class Mastery needs to meet a higher standard:

It should provide group utility powerful enough that a healer or tank could reasonably choose it over subclassing.

This can be achieved by:

Increasing group-wide utility, not just personal stats
Ensuring high uptime and reliability
Designing effects that are role-defining, not generic

Additionally, if certain passives are intended to serve support roles, they should be designed in a way that:

Either scales with healing/tanking behavior, or
Provides value that DPS cannot easily utilize

At its current state, the system feels overly cautious and sits in a middle ground where:

It is not strong enough for supports
But not specialized enough to justify being weak

As a result, Class Mastery does not currently function as a true alternative to subclassing for healers and tanks, and player choice in these roles remains limited.

rosendoichinoveb17_ESO wrote: »

The dammage done to monsters that the amulet was giving is 15% which was changed from multiplicative to additive. This means that for the average player (who has other sources of additive damage such as minor berserk, damage from chapion points ..) this will lower our overall damage by about 5%.

We know beam builds are easier but they are no way near the top builds. It provided a way for mid skill players to be able to run group PvE content in a decent way withough being overpowered.

The amulet needs either a buff from 15% to 20% or it needs its penalty to Light and heavy attack damage to be halved from 99% to 50% (as at 99% you can still proc weapon enchants with no damage loss).

What I am most afraid is that without a buff to the amulet we might need to kick players from trials if they run a beam build as their damage will be even lower than before and it is just not worth it keeping them around.

But for trial finder groups: man, those groups will struggle with damage as at least half of the players there are beam builds and they will not be able to finish any vet content.

(for me its fine I will just go to anyother of my other classes: DK, or pure sorc or pure nightblade or purre templar build is fine as long as people would know how to light attack weave)

But as a lot of people run beam builds with Velothi, nerfing their core item would make a drop in player enjoyment and can lead to less player base down the road which none of us want for this game.

Any nerf to beam builds is welcome, healthy and needed change, what's not to like?