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Re: Sorcerer rework, new class, new systems, house building, and various improvements for ESO
BretonMage wrote: »I’ll die on that hill but : Sorcerers ARE lightning.
The Sorcerer is the mage archetype of ESO. Not a faction, not a doctrine, not an organized order. In tes lore, a “sorcerer” is simply a mage who relies on personal power rather than institutional teaching. That freedom is exactly what defines the class.
If we look at the roots of the archetype across the series, Sorcerers embody raw magic force: Destruction for offense, Alteration for protection, and sometimes Conjuration as a tool. But their identity has never been “Daedra specialist” or “dark ritualist”. That fantasy belongs to conjurers, necromancers, or cultists.
The visual identity that consistently defines the Sorcerer fantasy is shock.
(Shock magic in Elder Scrolls has always represented uncontrolled, volatile power. Lightning is fast, violent, and overwhelming. It doesn’t creep like frost or burn steadily like fire. It strikes. It feels like raw magick made visible.)
When you think of a Sorcerer, the fantasy isn’t “Daedric circles and pets everywhere”. It’s a mage standing in the middle of a storm, magicka crackling through the air, electricity dancing across their body.
Look at the original class imagery:
No pets. No Daedric summoning circles. No dark rituals.
What defines the Sorcerer visually is shock energy surrounding them.
That’s the core fantasy.
when the class is being reworked, the direction should embrace that identity. Daedric tools can remain part of the kit, but they shouldn’t dominate the visual language of the class. The Sorcerer shouldn’t feel like a Daedric handler. It should feel like a living storm.
Every ability should feel infused with electricity. Even defensive or utility skills could carry arcs of energy, static effects, or storm auras. Casting should feel like charging the air. Movement should leave traces of lightning. The battlefield should feel saturated with static when a Sorcerer is present.
The fantasy isn’t “summoner with some lightning”.
I actually agree. I think we should keep daedric pets, since conjuration is a part of the sorcerer's toolkit, but otherwise I totally agree that the identity of the sorcerer should revolve around lightning magic. Dark magic, otoh, had never been a sorc thing in TES. I'm honestly a bit horrified they want to lean into Dark Magic for sorcs, I've never seen sorcerers as being "dark" - they're elementalists first and foremost.
(Quoting the entirety of your post because I really enjoyed and agree with it).
'They are Elementalists'
Then why focus on Lightning only? Why not create a skill line which allow us to choose fire, ice, lightning morph?
I want Sorc to be elementalist, not just Palpatine, though I do wish sorc lightning spells to have chain lightning, lightning zaps, channeled lightning spells to go full Palpatine.
Vindold
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Re: Swift-Winds Sailor Costume Parity?
KapiteinBoterham wrote: »Bro's complaining about boobs
The whole point of the Costume is to showcase nudity. It could be anything, the shirt without a chest wrap frames the body in such a way to draw your eyes to the bare chest. Now I know these conversations will lead to what-about-isms, so lets jump there. You're going to respond with "What about the wedding dress" that was showcased not too long ago.
Am I wrong?
When looking at someone wearing that dress, you are drawn to the dress itself, not the body. The body frames the dress. Not so with the Sailor outfit, the body itself is the focal point framed by the shirt, you could have any arrangement of clothes and achieve the same effect. The whole point of the opened blouse like that for a women, is plain and simple, a statement to say look at my ***. If it weren't, they would be the same. The difference here is the amputated arm, the statement they seem to want to make is look at my missing arm, not my ***.
I think it's a custom variant made specifically for that NPC to show an amputated forearm.
You don't need to change the outfit to do that. Sotha-sil notwithstanding, this would be the first amputated NPC in ESO, to my knowledge yeah? That in and of itself is all the difference you need. That wouldn't require the addition of the chest wrap. So why the difference?
Re: Official Discussion Thread for "Tamriel Tomes Season Zero Developer Update"
@ZOS_Kevin @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom So, the thing that confuses me about all this:
If the threshold to unlock a page is always higher than the costs of the things on the page, then what's the point of having the cost at all? Why not just make all the things 0-cost? Since the thing that actually matters is the threshold of unlocking each page.
Having items cost things just makes things confusing and muddies the intent that I think you're trying to convey.
So, the first problem is that people are confused about Tome Points to unlock pages vs. Tome Points to redeem a reward. On more than one occasion, I've talked to people who were hesitant to redeem a reward because they thought it would set back their page progress. You're using Tome Points in two different ways, and it's confusing people who haven't gone and read the article or help page (and why should they? systems like this should be intuitive, and if someone needs to read paragraphs to understand how it works, then you've failed the "is it intuitive?" test)
The second problem is that it frames the situation differently, when you assign a cost to individual items. I'm sure you've noticed in this thread a lot discontent over auto-claims of rewards and expiring points. And I'm pretty certain that's all because you needlessly assigned values to these items. By explicitly associating points to these things, you're now getting people to think of these points as a currency that is spent. But that's really not what this system is about!
And because each page's threshold needs to account for both the normal and premium tier things, this means that non-premium users are faced with a huge excess of points that they will then get upset about losing because you're telling them that it's a spendable currency!
This system is about: earning points to unlock reward levels ("pages") in the same way someone would earn XP to unlock levels. That's it. Get rid of the whole notion of Tome Points as a currency. Get rid of the whole notion of spending Tome Points. All of this is unnecessary, confusing, and it's framing the whole system in a negative way.
You need to treat Tome Points like an XP bar, rather than a spendable currency. These Tome Points then unlock levels of reward ("pages"). Each page will have a bunch of normal and premium items. No costs associated with each item. And when a user unlock a page, they can redeem the entire page. This is a way, way simpler way of framing the system. One that's more intuitive and less confusing. And more importantly, it avoids all the problems that you're currently dealing with in this thread: because earning excess XP and blowing past the final level is something that people can understand and wrap their minds around and are okay with. But telling them that they're earning excess spendable currency that you'll then yoink away from them at the end of a season is just begging for pitchforks.
Because the threshold to unlock each page is high enough to "purchase" everything on the page, in the end, the system that I describe is effectively identical to the system that currently exists. Except that you're no longer framing Tome Points as a spendable "currency" and getting all the associated confusion and backlash.
If the threshold to unlock a page is always higher than the costs of the things on the page, then what's the point of having the cost at all? Why not just make all the things 0-cost? Since the thing that actually matters is the threshold of unlocking each page.
Having items cost things just makes things confusing and muddies the intent that I think you're trying to convey.
So, the first problem is that people are confused about Tome Points to unlock pages vs. Tome Points to redeem a reward. On more than one occasion, I've talked to people who were hesitant to redeem a reward because they thought it would set back their page progress. You're using Tome Points in two different ways, and it's confusing people who haven't gone and read the article or help page (and why should they? systems like this should be intuitive, and if someone needs to read paragraphs to understand how it works, then you've failed the "is it intuitive?" test)
The second problem is that it frames the situation differently, when you assign a cost to individual items. I'm sure you've noticed in this thread a lot discontent over auto-claims of rewards and expiring points. And I'm pretty certain that's all because you needlessly assigned values to these items. By explicitly associating points to these things, you're now getting people to think of these points as a currency that is spent. But that's really not what this system is about!
And because each page's threshold needs to account for both the normal and premium tier things, this means that non-premium users are faced with a huge excess of points that they will then get upset about losing because you're telling them that it's a spendable currency!
This system is about: earning points to unlock reward levels ("pages") in the same way someone would earn XP to unlock levels. That's it. Get rid of the whole notion of Tome Points as a currency. Get rid of the whole notion of spending Tome Points. All of this is unnecessary, confusing, and it's framing the whole system in a negative way.
You need to treat Tome Points like an XP bar, rather than a spendable currency. These Tome Points then unlock levels of reward ("pages"). Each page will have a bunch of normal and premium items. No costs associated with each item. And when a user unlock a page, they can redeem the entire page. This is a way, way simpler way of framing the system. One that's more intuitive and less confusing. And more importantly, it avoids all the problems that you're currently dealing with in this thread: because earning excess XP and blowing past the final level is something that people can understand and wrap their minds around and are okay with. But telling them that they're earning excess spendable currency that you'll then yoink away from them at the end of a season is just begging for pitchforks.
Because the threshold to unlock each page is high enough to "purchase" everything on the page, in the end, the system that I describe is effectively identical to the system that currently exists. Except that you're no longer framing Tome Points as a spendable "currency" and getting all the associated confusion and backlash.
code65536
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Re: Official Discussion Thread for "Tamriel Tomes Season Zero Developer Update"
This is about the current functionality rather than the update, but it will feed into considerations around carrying over points, and I can't see anywhere else to put it where it might get seen.
It's annoying that if you only have the basic, free version of a tome you have to earn far more points than you need to spend just to be allowed to 'unlock' a page.
For example I just finished page 3, I have 1,352 points banked and I need to earn another 1,228 to unlock page 4. But the 5 rewards on that page will only cost me 1,350 points to buy. Even if I went back and bought the useless consumables I don't want from previous pages unlocking page 4 still requires me to have 810 more points than I need to buy everything from it, and it looks like that's going to continue escalating as I go through the pages.
Considering tome points have absolutely no other use and all but 2000 will be deleted at the end of the season I can't see any reason for this except to add yet another form of pressure to pay for the tome just to get something to do with the excess points required to unlock a page. (And honestly for me it does the opposite, because I don't want to reward that kind of behaviour.). The items are already 'locked' behind earning enough points because they each have a cost, that's exactly how prices function.
If there has to be a seperate cost to unlock pages I think the maximum it should cost is the price of unlocking all the free items on the previous pages, not that plus the cost of all the items on the page and then several hundred more points as well.
It's annoying that if you only have the basic, free version of a tome you have to earn far more points than you need to spend just to be allowed to 'unlock' a page.
For example I just finished page 3, I have 1,352 points banked and I need to earn another 1,228 to unlock page 4. But the 5 rewards on that page will only cost me 1,350 points to buy. Even if I went back and bought the useless consumables I don't want from previous pages unlocking page 4 still requires me to have 810 more points than I need to buy everything from it, and it looks like that's going to continue escalating as I go through the pages.
Considering tome points have absolutely no other use and all but 2000 will be deleted at the end of the season I can't see any reason for this except to add yet another form of pressure to pay for the tome just to get something to do with the excess points required to unlock a page. (And honestly for me it does the opposite, because I don't want to reward that kind of behaviour.). The items are already 'locked' behind earning enough points because they each have a cost, that's exactly how prices function.
If there has to be a seperate cost to unlock pages I think the maximum it should cost is the price of unlocking all the free items on the previous pages, not that plus the cost of all the items on the page and then several hundred more points as well.
Danikat
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Re: 2026 Anniversary Event
If you're trying to demonstrate how awful the rewards are, you're going about it in a novel way.
DenverRalphy
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Re: Opening 637 Jubilee Event Boxes & Mathing Out The Gold Value
rhythmsuji wrote: »Blood_again wrote: »Making math in video format is a kind of weird decision
Sorry it's how I produce ESO content, BUT I usually do add text info on forums. It's my bad for posting too late with no sleep.
I have fixed it now.
Thank you for the text update!
Re: April 20th Vengeance Only..
Major_Mangle wrote: »Remove offensive AoE caps and I can guarantee you that the ballgroups you claim gets clapped will wreck havoc in Vengeance.
LMAO "offensive AoE caps"? Tell us you run in a human centipede in Gray Host without telling us you're a ball grouper. See? The highly vocal minority who thinks their silly niche play style actually takes skill.
They want anything and everything removed that might make them struggle just a lil bit, lol.
Re: Is trolling against TOS in cyro
Cyrodiil is the natural habitat for Trolls in Tamriel. They have a right to exist! Stop with the minority hatred!
😂😂😂
But joking aside, the definition by ZOS is vague and blurry, but encompasses many subsets of bad behaviour. And like any good company they will notoriously avoid strict language to describe a violation. Words like may and should do not mean "it is forbidden to".
As a result, you probably have to make a strong case with lots of evidence, if you want to report a player for bad behaviour.
😂😂😂
But joking aside, the definition by ZOS is vague and blurry, but encompasses many subsets of bad behaviour. And like any good company they will notoriously avoid strict language to describe a violation. Words like may and should do not mean "it is forbidden to".
As a result, you probably have to make a strong case with lots of evidence, if you want to report a player for bad behaviour.
Re: Options for Armoury Slot
On PC there is the addon Armory Style Manager to save collectibles with the slot.
Taggund
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