MagBlade Theorycrafting Changes Thread

brandonv516 · February 2020

mav1234 wrote: »

I've run pelinals 'mag'blade hybrid, leaning on stam skills mostly for healing. In no CP, the lack of stacking offensive stats isn't as crushing since CP isn't there to magnify it all, but it just was inferior to a stamblade or a properly built healer in any playstyle I tried with it. I did have a lot of fun with it in melee though, just wasn't great.

Yep. This is why the build lasted a day or two. Super fun to play and very unique but overall lacking in areas that hybrids tend to deal with.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · February 2020

brandonv516 wrote: »

Tried something new recently. Decided not to go "all in" as a healer and found that I am having more fun doing both healing and damage.

Still getting used to the setup:

5 New Moon Acolyte (Front bar infused inferno)
5 Bright Throat Roast
1 Willpower (Back bar defending resto)
2 Troll King

It's a lot more dangerous than what I'm used to (healing now in light armor), and I definitely need to practice more discipline with spamming Offering.

Quit changing your GT lmao you msgd me and had no clue who it was. I just theorycrafted the ultimate mag build, works for most but great on magblade and magden. I’ll msg you.

fred4 · February 2020

SpiderCultist wrote: »

Langeston wrote: »

It's funny that you guys are talking about this (medium armor/Pelinal's/weapon dmg build) I had the same thought last week & played around with it a bit on the PTS. I was able to get fantastic spell damage, but the lack of crit/penetration/mag regen/etc means it doesn't really work that well in practice. I was thinking a templar might be able to pull it off, considering their sustain is more easily managed & they get that 6% boost to weapon damage, but I still doubt it would be ideal.

in theory templars, sorcs and DKs make the best hybrids, not in that particular order

in practice every hybrid performs worse than its "pure blood" counterpart due to many things such as stats (stam/mag pen or crits) which should be changed

I agree. Every time I make one, I end up deconstructing Pelinal's in disgust a short time later. I've now destroyed the gold Pelinal's weapons I had in storage. Never again. Not until something changes drastically.

There is so much overlap and standardisation now, you're not wanting for skills in either magic or stamina flavors. I got nothing againt hybrid playstyles. I'm arguably playing one with my Caluurion + Eternal Hunt magblade, but she is a magblade. Her stats are in magicka and her pen, crit and CP are all magicka-based.

NightAngel690 · February 2020

now I don’t know why people are having issues playing magblade. I’ve found that it’s pretty op this patch if you build it right. I mean we’re talking 27-32k rapid regen tool tips with 43k mag and 4k recovery. I don’t even use a shield this patch since hots are where its at.
Unlike before, I don’t try to go for the one hit merciless. Soul harvest Vamp drain is where it’s at! That is until it gets nerfed.

fred4 · February 2020

Glad you like magblade, but 4K recovery? You don't count Lich like that.

Iskiab · February 2020

NightAngel690 wrote: »

now I don’t know why people are having issues playing magblade. I’ve found that it’s pretty op this patch if you build it right. I mean we’re talking 27-32k rapid regen tool tips with 43k mag and 4k recovery. I don’t even use a shield this patch since hots are where its at.
Unlike before, I don’t try to go for the one hit merciless. Soul harvest Vamp drain is where it’s at! That is until it gets nerfed.

Magblade does okay 1v1 or duels, issue is moreso in any group play. The healing is fine against one person, but if you’re being pressured by multiple people it doesn’t keep. It’s prone to getting bursted because there’s no burst heal to help recover.

Rapid regen’s good but when other people are around it’s unreliable, there’s no guarantee you’ll even get the heal.

Where people play will have a big effect on performance. I usually play BGs so no-CP (where people are less tanky).

The class has become pretty rare too. I haven’t seen another magblade on PC-NA that I recall in a while.

fred4 wrote: »

Glad you like magblade, but 4K recovery? You don't count Lich like that.

You can totally hit 4k recovery without lich or procs, though usually only healers need to go that high.

brandonv516 · February 2020

NightAngel690 wrote: »

now I don’t know why people are having issues playing magblade. I’ve found that it’s pretty op this patch if you build it right. I mean we’re talking 27-32k rapid regen tool tips with 43k mag and 4k recovery. I don’t even use a shield this patch since hots are where its at.
Unlike before, I don’t try to go for the one hit merciless. Soul harvest Vamp drain is where it’s at! That is until it gets nerfed.

Play in a BGs match against coordinated players who stick together and keep the heals up.

You'll see quickly how left out Magblade feels there, especially if you are specced like the cookie cutter builds.

Vamp Drain is more like "where it was" with the new patch coming out. The silver-lining is that this hurts a few other classes more than Magblade.

Solo Cyro/IC and duels, sure you can make the class excel really well.

Iskiab · February 2020

Yea, if you graphed out magblade in pvp strength it’d be like a big U.

Strong solo, weak small group play, strong large group play. It’s good solo and large group, not the best but since there can only be one ‘best class’ it’s not really an issue in those settings.

Langeston · February 2020

NightAngel690 wrote: »

now I don’t know why people are having issues playing magblade. I’ve found that it’s pretty op this patch if you build it right. I mean we’re talking 27-32k rapid regen tool tips with 43k mag and 4k recovery. I don’t even use a shield this patch since hots are where its at.
Unlike before, I don’t try to go for the one hit merciless. Soul harvest Vamp drain is where it’s at! That is until it gets nerfed.

No offense, but this is something I'd have to see in action to believe. I felt the same way about my magblades when I first leveled them (I'd routinely get 25+ kills with zero or just one death in BGs) but once I built up my MMR, that faded away pretty quickly. I still do pretty well for a magblade, but whenever I find myself in high-MMR BGs I feel lucky when I get kills. (Unless I'm just looking to steal them.) Seems like the level of healing available to other classes is just too much for the magblade toolkit to handle right now.

I'm hoping things will be a bit better when it's all solo queue.

[edit] It's entirely possible that you're just a much better player than I am, but if that's the case it's not a reflection of magblades being "OP" right now — you'd probably do even better on pretty much any other class.

fred4 · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

Yea, if you graphed out magblade in pvp strength it’d be like a big U.

Strong solo, weak small group play, strong large group play. It’s good solo and large group, not the best but since there can only be one ‘best class’ it’s not really an issue in those settings.

I am very happy with my current build, though. There are many players I can't really make a dent in 1v1 (playing in CP), but feel that's par for the course. It's only a matter of degree, regardless of what class or build you play.

A resource fight surprised me yesterday. 3 yellows were holding a resource, stamden, templar, sorc as far as I remember. I kept thinking they weren't that good, because I was able to dent them and some stayed at low health for what I reckoned was too long. Vulnerable. It was one of those fights where quite a lot of my faction showed up and one of us put up a meatbag, firing into the tower entrance. Eventually though, all the reds (my faction) died or disappeared. The 3 yellow small-scalers won.

Throughout, I was practically the only red fighting inside the tower and not dying. I was constantly in and out, trying to burst with my Caluurion proc at melee range. Perhaps this group just wasn't good at focusing nightblades or the meatbag helped, but this is the sort of playstyle people normally say is suicide on a magblade. For reference, I'm playing Caluurion / Troll King / Blackrose resto and Eternal Hunt (yes, on magblade and light armor). I did not use the shade. I dodge roll.

So I don't know. There are other times where you get focused hard and the above is impossible. I was also attacking a siege group yesterday and one DK clearly had detection potions and was on my case every time. That's when my playstyle breaks down and I only know to run and LoS until the potion wears off.

Iskiab · February 2020

fred4 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

Yea, if you graphed out magblade in pvp strength it’d be like a big U.

Strong solo, weak small group play, strong large group play. It’s good solo and large group, not the best but since there can only be one ‘best class’ it’s not really an issue in those settings.

I am very happy with my current build, though. There are many players I can't really make a dent in 1v1 (playing in CP), but feel that's par for the course. It's only a matter of degree, regardless of what class or build you play.

A resource fight surprised me yesterday. 3 yellows were holding a resource, stamden, templar, sorc as far as I remember. I kept thinking they weren't that good, because I was able to dent them and some stayed at low health for what I reckoned was too long. Vulnerable. It was one of those fights where quite a lot of my faction showed up and one of us put up a meatbag, firing into the tower entrance. Eventually though, all the reds (my faction) died or disappeared. The 3 yellow small-scalers won.

Throughout, I was practically the only red fighting inside the tower and not dying. I was constantly in and out, trying to burst with my Caluurion proc at melee range. Perhaps this group just wasn't good at focusing nightblades or the meatbag helped, but this is the sort of playstyle people normally say is suicide on a magblade. For reference, I'm playing Caluurion / Troll King / Blackrose resto and Eternal Hunt (yes, on magblade and light armor). I did not use the shade. I dodge roll.

So I don't know. There are other times where you get focused hard and the above is impossible. I was also attacking a siege group yesterday and one DK clearly had detection potions and was on my case every time. That's when my playstyle breaks down and I only know to run and LoS until the potion wears off.

Yea, but that situation isn’t really small scale. It was moreso you were solo and fought a small scale group at the same time. The people you were fighting were small scale, because they used mutually supporting abilities to take people on. Surviving isn’t really contributing.

Damage done unless it helped secure a kill is meaningless, surviving is easy: don’t fight, healing is always beneficial. That’s how I always look at things.

fred4 · February 2020

@Iskiab, what gives you the idea I don't contribute, eh? The main reason I didn't kill anyone in that fight was targeting. I kept trying to jump and execute a low health player, only to hit someone else, be stunned and blocked by the sorc's atro, and so on.

My build is really good in a duo with another small-scaler. That's when Caluurion really comes into it's own.

I suppose I agree that cloaking magblade doesn't do much in terms of healing or taking the pressure off your partner, but it's not nothing either. I throw Healing Wards and will attack whoever is pressuring them.

I personally would rather have only DDs in any duo or trio. More damage to focus and kill people trumps everything. I know you play healers, but for me few things are more frustrating than playing with a healer in a duo or trio, who doesn't contribute a lot of damage. Talk about merely surviving. From four people upwards maybe.

I suppose the difference between us is that I play solo or I PuG. I can't afford to go full glass cannon, relying on heals from someone else or perhaps even shards for sustain (not that I see a lot of those in PvP). I assure you that both approaches work, though.

Iskiab · February 2020

fred4 wrote: »

@Iskiab, what gives you the idea I don't contribute, eh? The main reason I didn't kill anyone in that fight was targeting. I kept trying to jump and execute a low health player, only to hit someone else, be stunned and blocked by the sorc's atro, and so on.

My build is really good in a duo with another small-scaler. That's when Caluurion really comes into it's own.

I suppose I agree that cloaking magblade doesn't do much in terms of healing or taking the pressure off your partner, but it's not nothing either. I throw Healing Wards and will attack whoever is pressuring them.

I personally would rather have only DDs in any duo or trio. More damage to focus and kill people trumps everything. I know you play healers, but for me few things are more frustrating than playing with a healer in a duo or trio, who doesn't contribute a lot of damage. Talk about merely surviving. From four people upwards maybe.

I suppose the difference between us is that I play solo or I PuG. I can't afford to go full glass cannon, relying on heals from someone else or perhaps even shards for sustain (not that I see a lot of those in PvP). I assure you that both approaches work, though.

I’m not saying you didn’t contribute, but that’s not small scale. Small scale is typically about mutually supporting specs and coordinated burst. Most magblades are solo runners for a reason, magblade doesn’t contribute much in that setting. It’s like high MMR BGs:

People are typically tankier and mutual support and coordinated burst is what wins engagements. What you did was more like Zerg surfing where you can benefit from the group’s healing without being in the group.

Small scale is typically sorcs, DKs, necros... classes with a lot of utility so basically everyone but NBs unless they’re healing. It’s not until large scale where you can afford to carry a full damage dealer that Magblades are used again because of the passive Tankiness.

HEBREWHAMMERRR · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

@Iskiab, what gives you the idea I don't contribute, eh? The main reason I didn't kill anyone in that fight was targeting. I kept trying to jump and execute a low health player, only to hit someone else, be stunned and blocked by the sorc's atro, and so on.

My build is really good in a duo with another small-scaler. That's when Caluurion really comes into it's own.

I suppose I agree that cloaking magblade doesn't do much in terms of healing or taking the pressure off your partner, but it's not nothing either. I throw Healing Wards and will attack whoever is pressuring them.

I personally would rather have only DDs in any duo or trio. More damage to focus and kill people trumps everything. I know you play healers, but for me few things are more frustrating than playing with a healer in a duo or trio, who doesn't contribute a lot of damage. Talk about merely surviving. From four people upwards maybe.

I suppose the difference between us is that I play solo or I PuG. I can't afford to go full glass cannon, relying on heals from someone else or perhaps even shards for sustain (not that I see a lot of those in PvP). I assure you that both approaches work, though.

I’m not saying you didn’t contribute, but that’s not small scale. Small scale is typically about mutually supporting specs and coordinated burst. Most magblades are solo runners for a reason, magblade doesn’t contribute much in that setting. It’s like high MMR BGs:

People are typically tankier and mutual support and coordinated burst is what wins engagements. What you did was more like Zerg surfing where you can benefit from the group’s healing without being in the group.

Small scale is typically sorcs, DKs, necros... classes with a lot of utility so basically everyone but NBs unless they’re healing. It’s not until large scale where you can afford to carry a full damage dealer that Magblades are used again because of the passive Tankiness.

If I’m in a sweaty BG on my magblade, I bite the bullet and slot troll king, trans and spinners and slot execute and hope for the best. Better to support and do decent healing and damage while snagging kills as opposed to single targeting and dealing with AIDS groups, just make your group embrace the AIDS as well.

mav1234 · February 2020

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Quit changing your GT lmao you msgd me and had no clue who it was. I just theorycrafted the ultimate mag build, works for most but great on magblade and magden. I’ll msg you.

curious about your build! those are two classes I am trying to get back into.

took the magblade out to cyro last night with a buddy on stamsorc and we had some great 2vX fights. Still ultimately less effective I think than when I was on my stamplar or stamden, but we were able to do some things we couldn't before because of my invis.

Iskiab · February 2020

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

fred4 wrote: »

@Iskiab, what gives you the idea I don't contribute, eh? The main reason I didn't kill anyone in that fight was targeting. I kept trying to jump and execute a low health player, only to hit someone else, be stunned and blocked by the sorc's atro, and so on.

My build is really good in a duo with another small-scaler. That's when Caluurion really comes into it's own.

I suppose I agree that cloaking magblade doesn't do much in terms of healing or taking the pressure off your partner, but it's not nothing either. I throw Healing Wards and will attack whoever is pressuring them.

I personally would rather have only DDs in any duo or trio. More damage to focus and kill people trumps everything. I know you play healers, but for me few things are more frustrating than playing with a healer in a duo or trio, who doesn't contribute a lot of damage. Talk about merely surviving. From four people upwards maybe.

I suppose the difference between us is that I play solo or I PuG. I can't afford to go full glass cannon, relying on heals from someone else or perhaps even shards for sustain (not that I see a lot of those in PvP). I assure you that both approaches work, though.

I’m not saying you didn’t contribute, but that’s not small scale. Small scale is typically about mutually supporting specs and coordinated burst. Most magblades are solo runners for a reason, magblade doesn’t contribute much in that setting. It’s like high MMR BGs:

People are typically tankier and mutual support and coordinated burst is what wins engagements. What you did was more like Zerg surfing where you can benefit from the group’s healing without being in the group.

Small scale is typically sorcs, DKs, necros... classes with a lot of utility so basically everyone but NBs unless they’re healing. It’s not until large scale where you can afford to carry a full damage dealer that Magblades are used again because of the passive Tankiness.

If I’m in a sweaty BG on my magblade, I bite the bullet and slot troll king, trans and spinners and slot execute and hope for the best. Better to support and do decent healing and damage while snagging kills as opposed to single targeting and dealing with AIDS groups, just make your group embrace the AIDS as well.

That’s what I do too. I actually get more kills I think by healing and bidding my time waiting for an opportunity to go on the offense.

Issue is now that I’ve tried other classes MagWarden and Magtemplar do it better in the same style. Magblades I think have theorycrafted better than other classes, most of the same tricks that work as a magblade work on all mag classes.

The only thing I think magblades really do better is the fear traps, I miss them on the other classes. I started using them again and love them, nothing breaks up an enemy team push like the fear traps. Solo defending capture the relic games is fun as a magblade, using the traps to jump people trying to steal the relic. It’s also easy to stay in cloak and bash anyone trying to pick it up.

mav1234 · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

That’s what I do too. I actually get more kills I think by healing and bidding my time waiting for an opportunity to go on the offense.

Issue is now that I’ve tried other classes MagWarden and Magtemplar do it better in the same style. Magblades I think have theorycrafted better than other classes, most of the same tricks that work as a magblade work on all mag classes.

The only thing I think magblades really do better is the fear traps, I miss them on the other classes. I started using them again and love them, nothing breaks up an enemy team push like the fear traps. Solo defending capture the relic games is fun as a magblade, using the traps to jump people trying to steal the relic. It’s also easy to stay in cloak and bash anyone trying to pick it up.

Magblade has extremely good CC, I agree with that.

I started on magblade, back in Morrowind, and I found my way back to it last night. It felt like coming home... but I was far less effective than I have been lately on other classes in a lot of skirmishes. Still fun, but it feels so entirely solo-oriented. Yeah, I gave my stam sorc buddy a bit of extra crit (and healing - but the same amount any mag char does really)... wee?

Iskiab · February 2020

mav1234 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

That’s what I do too. I actually get more kills I think by healing and bidding my time waiting for an opportunity to go on the offense.

Issue is now that I’ve tried other classes MagWarden and Magtemplar do it better in the same style. Magblades I think have theorycrafted better than other classes, most of the same tricks that work as a magblade work on all mag classes.

The only thing I think magblades really do better is the fear traps, I miss them on the other classes. I started using them again and love them, nothing breaks up an enemy team push like the fear traps. Solo defending capture the relic games is fun as a magblade, using the traps to jump people trying to steal the relic. It’s also easy to stay in cloak and bash anyone trying to pick it up.

Magblade has extremely good CC, I agree with that.

I started on magblade, back in Morrowind, and I found my way back to it last night. It felt like coming home... but I was far less effective than I have been lately on other classes in a lot of skirmishes. Still fun, but it feels so entirely solo-oriented. Yeah, I gave my stam sorc buddy a bit of extra crit (and healing - but the same amount any mag char does really)... wee?

I’d look into Darloc. After trying it as a magblade and stamblade, it’s actually a better magblade set. I was trying smugglers before but NMA or something else would be better.

Heals not taking you out of crouch and being speedy is really fun. The set is almost like having a free hot too.

https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=207332

You just have to adjust to not needing to spam disguise and sneaking instead. Looking at it now you could try a weapon set on the front bar maybe, and concealed would be best on the same bar as RAT. I’m not sure how to make everything fit.

brandonv516 · February 2020

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Tried something new recently. Decided not to go "all in" as a healer and found that I am having more fun doing both healing and damage.

Still getting used to the setup:

5 New Moon Acolyte (Front bar infused inferno)
5 Bright Throat Roast
1 Willpower (Back bar defending resto)
2 Troll King

It's a lot more dangerous than what I'm used to (healing now in light armor), and I definitely need to practice more discipline with spamming Offering.

Quit changing your GT lmao you msgd me and had no clue who it was. I just theorycrafted the ultimate mag build, works for most but great on magblade and magden. I’ll msg you.

Seems very good from what I could see. I still don't see myself trading out Shadowy Disguise for Dark Cloak anytime soon though.

I'm really just happy that I've successfully moved on from Caluurions and I'm now "proc set free"!

Iskiab · February 2020

brandonv516 wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Tried something new recently. Decided not to go "all in" as a healer and found that I am having more fun doing both healing and damage.

Still getting used to the setup:

5 New Moon Acolyte (Front bar infused inferno)
5 Bright Throat Roast
1 Willpower (Back bar defending resto)
2 Troll King

It's a lot more dangerous than what I'm used to (healing now in light armor), and I definitely need to practice more discipline with spamming Offering.

Quit changing your GT lmao you msgd me and had no clue who it was. I just theorycrafted the ultimate mag build, works for most but great on magblade and magden. I’ll msg you.

Seems very good from what I could see. I still don't see myself trading out Shadowy Disguise for Dark Cloak anytime soon though.

I'm really just happy that I've successfully moved on from Caluurions and I'm now "proc set free"!

What sets are you running? I messed around with Caal, Darloc and Balorg and don’t like it. I don’t want to mess about and want a set to slap on and not worry about gear.

mav1234 · February 2020

brandonv516 wrote: »

HEBREWHAMMERRR wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Tried something new recently. Decided not to go "all in" as a healer and found that I am having more fun doing both healing and damage.

Still getting used to the setup:

5 New Moon Acolyte (Front bar infused inferno)
5 Bright Throat Roast
1 Willpower (Back bar defending resto)
2 Troll King

It's a lot more dangerous than what I'm used to (healing now in light armor), and I definitely need to practice more discipline with spamming Offering.

Quit changing your GT lmao you msgd me and had no clue who it was. I just theorycrafted the ultimate mag build, works for most but great on magblade and magden. I’ll msg you.

Seems very good from what I could see. I still don't see myself trading out Shadowy Disguise for Dark Cloak anytime soon though.

I'm really just happy that I've successfully moved on from Caluurions and I'm now "proc set free"!

What build are you guys talking about?

MashmalloMan · February 2020

43 pages... HUH?

brandonv516 · February 2020

His build is his to share, what I'm in is nothing magical just 5 Spinners, 5 BTB, 2 Slimecraw, backbar Potentates.

I think the last time I tried something like this was when the Spectral Bow proc was not dependable and Rapid Regen wasn't as strong.

Of course if I put this same gear on any other class it would probably out-perform NB but I'm comfortable right now.

Iskiab · February 2020

I'm actually running this, it's pretty bad but fun nonetheless.
https://en.uesp.net/wiki/Special:EsoBuildData?id=207332

I'm liking my magwarden the best so far this patch, I only do BGs on my magblade when I'm collecting surveys since it's my crafter. It's a good thing MMR reset, I can still do okay some matches vs before MMR reset it was rough. I ran out of mats and transmutation stones to finish the build, most is just what I had lying around that I put something together with.

Despite the sets I'm using I mostly heal, I almost broke 1 million healing one game in THAT setup which is hilarious. I'm digging the disguise and heal setup in a pure glass build, using a heal that drains my health. Probably one of the dumbest things you can do in pvp, but it adds a lot of risk so adds a fun factor.

brandonv516 · February 2020

I'm actually going to finish my Necro to 50 the next two days. Still going to play my Magblade though but I see a lot of potential in Magcro.

TBH I wish Darloc Brae worked like this set:

https://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Shadow+Walker+Set

Iskiab · February 2020

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm actually going to finish my Necro to 50 the next two days. Still going to play my Magblade though but I see a lot of potential in Magcro.

I’ve seen a couple decent magcros.
The ones who did well looked pretty straight forward too: keep the pet up that absorbs 10% damage, S&B back bar, be a bit tanky and lure people into beating on you while setting them up for a burst. Sort of like a DK.

I’ve switched factions again so am back to having all mag classes except magnecro, I don’t have a lot of experience with them.

brandonv516 · February 2020

Iskiab wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm actually going to finish my Necro to 50 the next two days. Still going to play my Magblade though but I see a lot of potential in Magcro.

I’ve seen a couple decent magcros.
The ones who did well looked pretty straight forward too: keep the pet up that absorbs 10% damage, S&B back bar, be a bit tanky and lure people into beating on you while setting them up for a burst. Sort of like a DK.

I’ve switched factions again so am back to having all mag classes except magnecro, I don’t have a lot of experience with them.

Yeah this guy makes it work really well:

https://xbox-clips.com/Wurdawoozlewznt/

SpiderCultist · February 2020

brandonv516 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm actually going to finish my Necro to 50 the next two days. Still going to play my Magblade though but I see a lot of potential in Magcro.

I’ve seen a couple decent magcros.
The ones who did well looked pretty straight forward too: keep the pet up that absorbs 10% damage, S&B back bar, be a bit tanky and lure people into beating on you while setting them up for a burst. Sort of like a DK.

I’ve switched factions again so am back to having all mag classes except magnecro, I don’t have a lot of experience with them.

Yeah this guy makes it work really well:

https://xbox-clips.com/Wurdawoozlewznt/

on pc you'll be dead in 2 secs with that setup: bs, succession and necro w/ or without harmony

magcros are trash, even worse than magblades

Iskiab · February 2020

SpiderCultist wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

Iskiab wrote: »

brandonv516 wrote: »

I'm actually going to finish my Necro to 50 the next two days. Still going to play my Magblade though but I see a lot of potential in Magcro.

I’ve seen a couple decent magcros.
The ones who did well looked pretty straight forward too: keep the pet up that absorbs 10% damage, S&B back bar, be a bit tanky and lure people into beating on you while setting them up for a burst. Sort of like a DK.

I’ve switched factions again so am back to having all mag classes except magnecro, I don’t have a lot of experience with them.

Yeah this guy makes it work really well:

https://xbox-clips.com/Wurdawoozlewznt/

on pc you'll be dead in 2 secs with that setup: bs, succession and necro w/ or without harmony

magcros are trash, even worse than magblades

I have no idea what’s best for magcro, but after trying different classes I was prettt shocked at what you can get away with after playing a magblade. Being able to burst heal yourself and going max stats for stronger healing is good.

I run Necro + BTB + Zaan as a MagWarden, it worked on my Breton and it works a little better on my Nord.

ThePedge · February 2020

Interested in trying the new stacks monster set. If you fear then apply 5th stack it should be un-dodgeable proc stronger than caluurions