Destro staff ultimate bugged in pvp?

IxSTALKERxI · October 2016

Still sceptical about that. It's a strong ultimate sure, but I've already been countering eots groups. A couple of them is nice damage but not sold on a large portion of a group running it. After magicka/stamina balance patch in January though, if it's still as strong as it is now then yeah could see myself jumping on the eots bandwagon.

Jsmalls · October 2016

It's very powerful, I try not to use it in duels because it's an easy I win button.

That being said, stamina has very strong damaging options and (at least as a Sorc) I felt trapped into using a physical damage ultimate (Dawnbreaker) as I refuse to use a 3 second telegraphed ultimate that leaves a pathetic 3 m radius light dot. Even I laugh as I hold block and watch their ~200 cost ultimate hit me for 3k.

Now I have more variety

(I do think it needs to be toned down)

Magus · October 2016

It 100% needs to be blockable... negate to stop heals, destro ultimate to kill almost instantly. No counter.

Aquanova · October 2016

Unfortunately if it were blockable then it would be useless except in pve.

I can see the aoe getting nerfed though, currently it covers a pretty large area.

Tavore1138 · October 2016

Last couple of nights in PvP it's just been zerg after zerg (sorry, talented small scale group of cool players) running magicka builds with destro ulti. Pretty sure I did not have a single death recap without that ulti on it... DB is strong but not as strong as running around with a 10 second large area death field on you which allows you to charge ulti with both light attacks and the deaths as people scramble to get out of it's range.

Wonder how long this will be the go to skill in PvP before ZOS wake up.

Bashev · October 2016

This is a clear proof that @wrobel cannot handle the PvP combat. Wee need a PvP combat lead designer too. People complained that the destro ultimate was useless and he buffed the damage so much that now when 3 players use it at once you die in 2 seconds.

Minalan · October 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

On my end I was consistently beating very good duelers in the typical black rose+viper meta setups. Most of the time within one ult cast, sometimes it'd take two. Whereas my opponents were dropping twice the amount of dawnbreakers against me. There are things you can do to minimize the danger of the ult. You can apply maim to the person, you can probably use quick cloak for both a damage reduction and speed. You can root and then CC them while moving away. But while you're trying to move away from the ult, you're still taking damage. The damage occurs within only 6 seconds.

I would love to fight a good magicka player using EoTS, with various setups on my stamina toons (meta, non-meta, medium etc). So that I can try out various things to counter of minimize the danger. But I cannot find anyone on my server using it at all. All of my friends are stamina mains, and only some of them have recently starting leveling magicka toons. My only experience with this ult is from the perspective of using it myself.

Bashev wrote: »

Sanct16 wrote: »

Eye of the storm will be the main ultimate for pvp groups in 1 month. It's the best ultimate in the game by far.

Wise words.

But did you try using encase or rune prison?

Or you know. Walking three steps out of the big red circle during the two second warning time?

OdinForge · October 2016

Doesn't really matter, the ultimate will still probably kill you. I get a lot of kills where I'll be cc'd and the target will try to flee the radius and still die.

In a 1v1 there are certaintly ways to minimize the effect of the ultimate, but I'm not casting it at the start of a fight when you're at full resources and likely to survive. As with any ultimate I'm waiting for the appropriate time to apply burst, it's just that EoTS is the best bang for your buck compared to any other ultimate available.

The ultimate is too strong and needs an AoE size reduction at the very least. I don't really care though if you agree or not, I'm using the EoTS as my main magicka ultimate these days so if magicka builds want to pretend it's okay, fine by me I guess.

Game so trash it's pretty irrelevant.

Manoekin · October 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

Doesn't really matter, the ultimate will still probably kill you. I get a lot of kills where I'll be cc'd and the target will try to flee the radius and still die.

In a 1v1 there are certaintly ways to minimize the effect of the ultimate, but I'm not casting it at the start of a fight when you're at full resources and likely to survive. As with any ultimate I'm waiting for the appropriate time to apply burst, it's just that EoTS is the best bang for your buck compared to any other ultimate available.

The ultimate is too strong and needs an AoE size reduction at the very least. I don't really care though if you agree or not, I'm using the EoTS as my main magicka ultimate these days so if magicka builds want to pretend it's okay, fine by me I guess.

Game so trash it's pretty irrelevant.

Just needs to be blockable imo.

Minalan · October 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

Doesn't really matter, the ultimate will still probably kill you. I get a lot of kills where I'll be cc'd and the target will try to flee the radius and still die.

In a 1v1 there are certaintly ways to minimize the effect of the ultimate, but I'm not casting it at the start of a fight when you're at full resources and likely to survive. As with any ultimate I'm waiting for the appropriate time to apply burst, it's just that EoTS is the best bang for your buck compared to any other ultimate available.

The ultimate is too strong and needs an AoE size reduction at the very least. I don't really care though if you agree or not, I'm using the EoTS as my main magicka ultimate these days so if magicka builds want to pretend it's okay, fine by me I guess.

Game so trash it's pretty irrelevant.

On your last point, we agree.

I've not yet had a problem escaping it, and at most I take one tick to the shield if I'm not paying attention.

It's like meteor. How often does that actually get you?

CapuchinSeven · October 2016

Minalan wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Doesn't really matter, the ultimate will still probably kill you. I get a lot of kills where I'll be cc'd and the target will try to flee the radius and still die.

In a 1v1 there are certaintly ways to minimize the effect of the ultimate, but I'm not casting it at the start of a fight when you're at full resources and likely to survive. As with any ultimate I'm waiting for the appropriate time to apply burst, it's just that EoTS is the best bang for your buck compared to any other ultimate available.

The ultimate is too strong and needs an AoE size reduction at the very least. I don't really care though if you agree or not, I'm using the EoTS as my main magicka ultimate these days so if magicka builds want to pretend it's okay, fine by me I guess.

Game so trash it's pretty irrelevant.

On your last point, we agree.

I've not yet had a problem escaping it, and at most I take one tick to the shield if I'm not paying attention.

It's like meteor. How often does that actually get you?

I've gotta say, without stirring all this again I've had little problem getting out of it even when CC'd. I HAVE died to it but often that's been when flattered by a zerg running two of them in a blob.

Most of the time in 1v1 it's not got past my shields before I've used my shade to get out of it or on my stamina build dodge roll and bow sprint. I'm very very careful with stamina on my magic builds though, so that's likely helping, my magic build could be locked down if done right I'd think.

It is powerful though, no denying that, probably the best new ultimate by far and I still run it on my magic build, but then what other choice does a Magblade have than to run a Destro' staff.

OdinForge · October 2016

The initial meteor impact can be negated by many means (block, crit, mist etc), leaving you with a small static DoT radius to easily move out of. EoTS as it currently functions negates both of those cons, for just 50 extra ultimate.

Since you cannot block EoTS and the larger radius can follow you and your target, it outclasses meteor entirely.

God_flakes · October 2016

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

OdinForge wrote: »

Doesn't really matter, the ultimate will still probably kill you. I get a lot of kills where I'll be cc'd and the target will try to flee the radius and still die.

In a 1v1 there are certaintly ways to minimize the effect of the ultimate, but I'm not casting it at the start of a fight when you're at full resources and likely to survive. As with any ultimate I'm waiting for the appropriate time to apply burst, it's just that EoTS is the best bang for your buck compared to any other ultimate available.

The ultimate is too strong and needs an AoE size reduction at the very least. I don't really care though if you agree or not, I'm using the EoTS as my main magicka ultimate these days so if magicka builds want to pretend it's okay, fine by me I guess.

Game so trash it's pretty irrelevant.

On your last point, we agree.

I've not yet had a problem escaping it, and at most I take one tick to the shield if I'm not paying attention.

It's like meteor. How often does that actually get you?

I've gotta say, without stirring all this again I've had little problem getting out of it even when CC'd. I HAVE died to it but often that's been when flattered by a zerg running two of them in a blob.

Most of the time in 1v1 it's not got past my shields before I've used my shade to get out of it or on my stamina build dodge roll and bow sprint. I'm very very careful with stamina on my magic builds though, so that's likely helping, my magic build could be locked down if done right I'd think.

It is powerful though, no denying that, probably the best new ultimate by far and I still run it on my magic build, but then what other choice does a Magblade have than to run a Destro' staff.

I am a magblade and simply didn't enjoy running two staffs. So I stuck with resto/dw because it just fits my playstyle better. I guess I focus more on what I enjoy doing rather than being totally OP and lethal and the best, etc etc. or using the best latest meta. I find when I try to do that I enjoy the game less and play less. JMO. But magblades don't "have" to run two staffs. I did my own thing and still ended up 22 on the magblade leaderboard for DC.

Crispen_Longbow · October 2016

Bomb Blades have a new Weapon!

Taonnor · October 2016

Xsorus wrote: »

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

But everyone told me on the PTS that Eye of the Storm was just a more expensive Batswarm and nobody would ever use it. I love the kneejerk reactions before testing from this community.

That was before they doubled the damage per tick.

And the hilarious thing is, Magicka users BITCHED about that as well..

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/292696/can-anyone-tell-me-or-show-me-the-numbers-on-the-destro-stall-ultimate-please#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3393031/#Comment_3393031

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3394114/#Comment_3394114

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3383532/#Comment_3383532

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3388782/#Comment_3388782

These are all comments after they buffed it; and it was already strong before they did that...

That all where PvE bobs....

SanTii.92 · October 2016

Bashev wrote: »

This is a clear proof that @wrobel cannot handle the PvP combat. Wee need a PvP combat lead designer too. People complained that the destro ultimate was useless and he buffed the damage so much that now when 3 players use it at once you die in 2 seconds.

Destro ult was buffed for more than 2 weeks and sill being called useless. Only clear proof is that you people have literally no idea what you are talking about.