Can anyone tell me or show me the numbers on the Destro Stall Ultimate please?

Special_Bradley

Just a picture on a Magicka build with or letting me know what Tool Tip numbers your hitting. Just curious because I'm a consol player

Thanks in advance

Taleof2Cities

Not sure if this will help much ... since it's on a 300CP template and using an ice staff.

Just over 37K damage in just about the same time it takes to ride a bull ... 7 seconds.

Optimized builds should be well over 6K per second with full CP ... maybe another friendly forum-goer can post another screenie ...

EDIT: I was able to shift some armor around at get 6K ... but that is still with only 300CP.

Darlon

Made on a cp capped character:

Magicka Sorc:
Spell damage: 3372 (only used power surge buff, since that's always active)

Unmorphed Destro ultimate (stage 1, need to level it):



This is what it does to a random Giant in Wrothgar:
(No procs, no other skills, just power surge active)

Derra

I don´t get why they are so adamant on the high cost.

It simply not going to see too much use because of how expensive it is. Why would i slot a highly situational ultimate that is also freaking expensive (even if it does acceptable dmg per ultimate point) if i have cheaper alternatives offering similar dmg.

IxSTALKERxI

The damage is about double batswarm damage per tick if that helps.

Darlon

Derra wrote: »

I don´t get why they are so adamant on the high cost.

It simply not going to see too much use because of how expensive it is. Why would i slot a highly situational ultimate that is also freaking expensive (even if it does acceptable dmg per ultimate point) if i have cheaper alternatives offering similar dmg.

This.

psychotic13

Darlon wrote: »

Made on a cp capped character:

Magicka Sorc:
Spell damage: 3372 (only used power surge buff, since that's always active)

Unmorphed Destro ultimate (stage 1, need to level it):



This is what it does to a random Giant in Wrothgar:
(No procs, no other skills, just power surge active)

That actually looks like it has potential in PvP, well the eye of the storm morph.

Dracane

With 250 ultimate cost, it has no potential.
I am better off using meteor, soul assault or whatever damage ultimate for the sake of damage.

It still has no secondary effects in its base form. As long as it remains at 250 cost, it's not going to find use in serious gameplay.
There are much better options for AOE, and especially much better options for single target damage.

Dracane

Double Post, internet is messed up.

Ankael07

Playerbase : We need a burst ulti with low cost for magicka builds!

Zos : We have listened to your feedback and presenting you a dot ulti of 2 seconds build up time that costs 250.

Does this get any more clear?

Darlon

I think a change from AoE to single target is just wishful thinking at this point, they already did all the graphics etc.

The cost is the main issue for me right now. If it would be similar in cost to meteor I would consider it.

Dracane

Darlon wrote: »

I think a change from AoE to single target is just wishful thinking at this point, they already did all the graphics etc.

The cost is the main issue for me right now. If it would be similar in cost to meteor I would consider it.

Yep. They won't change it into a single target ult.
The cost is my biggest problem as well.

I would like to see 170 to 200 max cost.

IxskullzxI

Dracane wrote: »

Darlon wrote: »

I think a change from AoE to single target is just wishful thinking at this point, they already did all the graphics etc.

The cost is the main issue for me right now. If it would be similar in cost to meteor I would consider it.

Yep. They won't change it into a single target ult.
The cost is my biggest problem as well.

I would like to see 170 to 200 max cost.

Agreed. They are tweaking it in the wrong direction. It needs to be cheaper or it won't see any use. Why would I use this on my mDK when I have standard for the same cost?

Silver_Strider

Seriously ZOS, reduce the cost to 175 and people might consider using it.
Add the elemental effects to the base skill, with Elemental Rage adding the old effects of 100% burn, chilled or concussed on top of it and people will consider it.

Dracane

Silver_Strider wrote: »

Seriously ZOS, reduce the cost to 175 and people might consider using it.
Add the elemental effects to the base skill, with Elemental Rage adding the old effects of 100% burn, chilled or concussed on top of it and people will consider it.

Exactly.
They have no hesitation to give stamina OP abilities and sets. But when it comes to magicka, they are full of fear to give anything to them.
So biased.

Derra

Darlon wrote: »

I think a change from AoE to single target is just wishful thinking at this point, they already did all the graphics etc.

The cost is the main issue for me right now. If it would be similar in cost to meteor I would consider it.

The lightning ulti does more dmg than fire (2s increase is more than 10% increase in basedmg). So this one has to be compared to meteor (shooting star).

With the tooltips on my raidgear the two ultimates come close to each other dmg wise (within 10% dmg done over the whole duration).

The problem presents itself when looking at costs which is 158 (or lower for every target hit) for meteor - compared to 213 for the destro ulti. For me personally the actual cost would have to be along the lines of 170 or less ultimate (on a sorc - so 200 base cost) to even consider using it.

However i can see the potential for problems with this skill in pvp and the user centered morph with a lower cost. My proposal would be to reduce the cost to 190 ultimate base cost while also lowering the radius for the user centered morph to 8m radius instead of 10.

PS4_ZeColmeia

I really disagree. It's about double the damage of bats with an extra tick of damage than bats. Bats costs 50 ultimate less and is used all of the time. The PBAOE morph makes this exactly like Bats if you prefer that style.

Calls that this would never get used is way overblown. Paired with Dunmer or Altmer, this is a scary ultimate.

IxskullzxI

PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »

I really disagree. It's about double the damage of bats with an extra tick of damage than bats. Bats costs 50 ultimate less and is used all of the time. The PBAOE morph makes this exactly like Bats if you prefer that style.

Calls that this would never get used is way overblown. Paired with Dunmer or Altmer, this is a scary ultimate.

Bats are 158 in stage 4.. Why would you build 250 ult when you could use bats for 92 less ult or meteor for 50?

Special_Bradley

Thank you all for your feed back, much appreciate taking you time to check your DMG Numbers

Derra

PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »

I really disagree. It's about double the damage of bats with an extra tick of damage than bats. Bats costs 50 ultimate less and is used all of the time. The PBAOE morph makes this exactly like Bats if you prefer that style.

Calls that this would never get used is way overblown. Paired with Dunmer or Altmer, this is a scary ultimate.

Bats cost 128 ultimate on a sorc and have a secondary effect with either healing or the bugged invisibility.

Compared to 213 ultimate 40% more dmg 1s more duration. In most situations that are not running in a huge zerg i´d still prefer bats.

But realisticly speaking this ulti is competing with negate utility wise for pvp - it has still a long way to go in that regard.

STEVIL

PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »

I really disagree. It's about double the damage of bats with an extra tick of damage than bats. Bats costs 50 ultimate less and is used all of the time. The PBAOE morph makes this exactly like Bats if you prefer that style.

Calls that this would never get used is way overblown. Paired with Dunmer or Altmer, this is a scary ultimate.

Whiles it not the direction i hoped they would go, i also agree that by now it seems to be doing enough to have a role.

The move-with-you seems to be good utility even for pvp perhaps. its ability to cast outside of combat, give you 2 sec to close and get its full damage vs enemies you can stay near is nice. IMO viable for both PVE and PVP.

the stationary is obviously an area-denial thing. Reminds me of templar "house" and may serve dunmer templars well for that. Drop it where you are defending or the enemies come to you on a clock. (more common in PVE.)

But either way for me even if it is now to the viable level, its still just another "sack of damage" and we already have plenty of those. So...

Joy_Division

PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »

I really disagree. It's about double the damage of bats with an extra tick of damage than bats. Bats costs 50 ultimate less and is used all of the time. The PBAOE morph makes this exactly like Bats if you prefer that style.

Calls that this would never get used is way overblown. Paired with Dunmer or Altmer, this is a scary ultimate.

It most certainly is not.

Go ahead and take your light armor destro staff dunmer with this "scary" ultimate and use it against a zerg. One of two things will happen:

1. You will use the range morph. The Zerglings will get a bit of a chuckle about the incoming threat and simply walk away.
2. you will use the PBAOE morph. You will cast this, zerg dive, and getting f***ing Rekt in less than 1 second, after which the enemy will walk away at full health because mutagen, vigor, igneous shield, and the like makes DoTs almost next to pointless.

If on the other hand, I use bats, an ultimate this is actually good - and costs me 100 less btw - if I dive into a zerg they won't kill me, even if I'm wearing light (i.e. no) armor because the it does more than just damage.

Dracane

Joy_Division wrote: »

PS4_ZeColmeia wrote: »

I really disagree. It's about double the damage of bats with an extra tick of damage than bats. Bats costs 50 ultimate less and is used all of the time. The PBAOE morph makes this exactly like Bats if you prefer that style.

Calls that this would never get used is way overblown. Paired with Dunmer or Altmer, this is a scary ultimate.

It most certainly is not.

Go ahead and take your light armor destro staff dunmer with this "scary" ultimate and use it against a zerg. One of two things will happen:

1. You will use the range morph. The Zerglings will get a bit of a chuckle about the incoming threat and simply walk away.
2. you will use the PBAOE morph. You will cast this, zerg dive, and getting f***ing Rekt in less than 1 second, after which the enemy will walk away at full health because mutagen, vigor, igneous shield, and the like makes DoTs almost next to pointless.

If on the other hand, I use bats, an ultimate this is actually good - and costs me 100 less btw - if I dive into a zerg they won't kill me, even if I'm wearing light (i.e. no) armor because the it does more than just damage.

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