Destro staff ultimate bugged in pvp?

Ghostbane · October 2016

inc Caster mDK failures.

Minno · October 2016

Typhoios wrote: »

But everyone told me on the PTS that Eye of the Storm was just a more expensive Batswarm and nobody would ever use it. I love the kneejerk reactions before testing from this community.

Try using an ulti poison on a bow bar and run Magnum shot to keep you at range.
60% increase of 250 puts this ultimate at 400 cost.

ness1 · October 2016

I get multicentric caltrop projections, but caltrop never drops. In order for caltrops to work I have to change flip my bar from destro to bow, or any other weapon (with caltrops slotted there too ofc) ...then no prob.

IxSTALKERxI · October 2016

Typhoios wrote: »

But everyone told me on the PTS that Eye of the Storm was just a more expensive Batswarm and nobody would ever use it. I love the kneejerk reactions before testing from this community.

That was before they doubled the damage per tick.

Luigi_Vampa · October 2016

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

But everyone told me on the PTS that Eye of the Storm was just a more expensive Batswarm and nobody would ever use it. I love the kneejerk reactions before testing from this community.

That was before they doubled the damage per tick.

Ah, okay. I must have missed those patch notes.

Xsorus · October 2016

Sanct16 wrote: »

Eye of the storm will be the main ultimate for pvp groups in 1 month. It's the best ultimate in the game by far.

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/288639/official-discussion-thread-for-weapon-ultimates/p10

Hmmm

@Derra

Typhoios wrote: »

But everyone told me on the PTS that Eye of the Storm was just a more expensive Batswarm and nobody would ever use it. I love the kneejerk reactions before testing from this community.

That's because people are morons who don't bother testing...Or understand game mechanics

Xsorus · October 2016

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Typhoios wrote: »

But everyone told me on the PTS that Eye of the Storm was just a more expensive Batswarm and nobody would ever use it. I love the kneejerk reactions before testing from this community.

That was before they doubled the damage per tick.

And the hilarious thing is, Magicka users BITCHED about that as well..

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/292696/can-anyone-tell-me-or-show-me-the-numbers-on-the-destro-stall-ultimate-please#latest

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3393031/#Comment_3393031

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3394114/#Comment_3394114

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3383532/#Comment_3383532

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3388782/#Comment_3388782

These are all comments after they buffed it; and it was already strong before they did that...

manny254 · October 2016

Anazasi wrote: »

Everyone now has a reason to pick up that destro staff, since Stam has become the meta of meta's, it now has a challenger. It will take time, but the new emerging meta will be magic sorcs tossing out negates and destro ulti's. Oh I can't wait to see this in PVP. It will become hilarious as players die to lighting, negates, and yes of course you guessed it..... lag......

Am I glad for this. Absolutely. Its high time for change from the stam stam stam meta.

So you want to create a endless cycle of power creep where everything in the game goes crazy?

Do people also understand this skill can destroy magicka builds equally if not worse? It ignores block. Enjoy trying to move with this around while being zerged as a magicka build.

OdinForge · October 2016

Well people were still bitching that the ult sucked after the damage increase change. I was skeptical about it as well but I missed my opportunity to PTS test it with my max CP magicka characters. People are still bitching about the ult sucking, in this same thread.

But it's your AoE group busting and single target burst all in one ult (if you choose the 'eye of the storm' morph), and it only costs a a bit more than meteor with more reliable results. The only form of balance with the ult is its cost and your ability to die in it if you potato out. Both things you don't really have to worry about if you're a zergling riding a wave.

heystreethawk · October 2016

Yuke wrote: »

Its unblockable and as Sanct said probably the best Ult to go with soon - stamina pretty much RIP besides solo play.

Solo play got a pretty big buff from the grouping bug, but I'm only chiming in because I was scrolling through this thread and somehow my eyes stopped to notice that you had a Babylon 5 character in your sig; now I'm jealous of the EU server's superior pop culture situation

EDIT: someone else has a Babylon 5 planet as their username what the HELL is going on

IxSTALKERxI · October 2016

Yeah most of the hate for the ultimate was after 2.6.0

So in 2.6.1 they added this:

Elemental Storm:
Decreased the length of time for this Ultimate to 6 seconds from 10 seconds.
Doubled the damage done per hit.
Icy Rage will now immobilize targets affected by the storm instead of granting a 100% chance to apply a chilled effect.
Fiery Rage now deals 10% additional damage instead of granting a 100% chance to apply a burning effect.
Thunderous Rage now increases this ability’s duration by 2 seconds instead of granting a 100% chance to apply concussion

Minno · October 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

Well people were still bitching that the ult sucked after the damage increase change. I was skeptical about it as well but I missed my opportunity to PTS test it with my max CP magicka characters. People are still bitching about the ult sucking, in this same thread.

But it's your AoE group busting and single target burst all in one ult (if you choose the 'eye of the storm' morph), and it only costs a a bit more than meteor with more reliable results. The only form of balance with the ult is its cost and your ability to die in it if you potato out. Both things you don't really have to worry about if you're a zergling riding a wave.

Curious; how's everyone's spell resistance as a stam build?

OdinForge · October 2016

I know my stamplar can hit 24K spell in medium (2 heavy, templar passives, defending weapon) on his buff bar with rune down. If wearing heavy armor it's over 30K on his buff bar. I haven't had a chance to fight anyone using the destro ult as a stamina build. Probably because all the full-time magicka builds are too busy not experimenting.

But as mag I have fought many stamina players in medium and heavy armor, all types of builds. Everything from eternal hunt to the black rose + 1H Viper etc meta. Stamsorc obviously deals with it the best if they have a streak up, but really if the combo I described earlier is done right you should get your kill on first ult.

CapuchinSeven · October 2016

Joy_Division wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Lol you have no idea. Destro Ultimate is amazing for AvA, just put on some Skoria and VD and corner a big group. Its like carpet bombing, just sick.

Edit: Didn't run into any issues with either morph. Prefer the ranged one though.

I dunno about this. It's been used against me several times and I just walked out of it.

Same, I dunno where this view that the Destro' staff ultimate is great is coming from, I've been hit with it twice in PVP and I walked out of it both times.

And the, do this then this then this then this to get a kill with it is kinda makes me wrinkle my brow, I could pretty much say that about most Ultimates.

Plus MOST of the complaints about it came pre-buff, which it had shortly after after it had been stated it wouldn't be changed.

The buff made EOTS a much nastier option.

OdinForge · October 2016

Yes indeed of course you combo every ult, but eye of the storm yields best results. I'll show you if you play your medium armor stamblade. We can compare it to soul harvest, bats and meteor.

Eye of the Storm is a large AoE channel that can deal upwards of 30K damage to a single target in its AoE. You can freely attack while the AoE is working.

CapuchinSeven · October 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

Yes indeed of course you combo every ult, but eye of the storm yields best results. I'll show you if you play your medium armor stamblade. We can compare it to soul harvest, bats and meteor.

Eye of the Storm is a large AoE channel that can deal upwards of 30K damage to a single target in its AoE. You can freely attack while the AoE is working.

Fair enough, I'll slot EOTS over SA and try it again in PVP.

Minno · October 2016

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Lol you have no idea. Destro Ultimate is amazing for AvA, just put on some Skoria and VD and corner a big group. Its like carpet bombing, just sick.

Edit: Didn't run into any issues with either morph. Prefer the ranged one though.

I dunno about this. It's been used against me several times and I just walked out of it.

Same, I dunno where this view that the Destro' staff ultimate is great is coming from, I've been hit with it twice in PVP and I walked out of it both times.

And the, do this then this then this then this to get a kill with it is kinda makes me wrinkle my brow, I could pretty much say that about most Ultimates.

Plus MOST of the complaints about it came pre-buff, which it had shortly after after it had been stated it wouldn't be changed.

The buff made EOTS a much nastier option.

I'll have to PvP eventually after I do my required set farming to test out counters. But if @Joy_Division can walk out of its ranged on a Templar, I'd imagine most stam builds can run away too.

Can this ultimate be interrupted? Are people running more than 25k spell resistance? Are people running poisons? Is it purgable? Are players doing their best to use ranged abilities and maintain distance (like they do for bats?)

Still lots of questions to explore. Granted the obvious con to using this ultimate is that you have to slot the destro staff, a skill line where most of the skills' dmg hits for less than 1k and you lose the potential for extra set bonuses.

Xsorus · October 2016

IxSTALKERxI wrote: »

Yeah most of the hate for the ultimate was after 2.6.0

So in 2.6.1 they added this:

Elemental Storm:
Decreased the length of time for this Ultimate to 6 seconds from 10 seconds.
Doubled the damage done per hit.
Icy Rage will now immobilize targets affected by the storm instead of granting a 100% chance to apply a chilled effect.
Fiery Rage now deals 10% additional damage instead of granting a 100% chance to apply a burning effect.
Thunderous Rage now increases this ability’s duration by 2 seconds instead of granting a 100% chance to apply concussion

Ironically the thunderous rage change was a nerf because concussion adds an absolute *** ton to group dps.

OdinForge · October 2016

Slotting a destro is not a con to a magicka nb or a magicka Sorc. But I can understand why DK and Templar wouldn't want to run a destro staff, even though this ult works disgustingly well for Templar in application.

The ultimate cannot be interrupted or cleansed, but it can be negated by a Sorc. If Joy was running out of the ultimate, it wasn't versus someone who knows how to use it, or versus the morph that stays in one place.

The people I fight daily who run stam builds all have 25K+ resistance in heavy. With the occasional medium armor player that stands very little chance, short of avoiding the fight completely. I fight people who use poisons of all kinds, but most people cannot afford to use good poisons constantly in fights.

You can keep your distance all you want, I'm still attacking you at range with spells. I just won't have to upkeep my shields as much, which is nice for me. At some point you have to get close to put in enough pressure for a kill.

Minno · October 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

Slotting a destro is not a con to a magicka nb or a magicka Sorc. But I can understand why DK and Templar wouldn't want to run a destro staff, even though this ult works disgustingly well for Templar in application.

The ultimate cannot be interrupted or cleansed, but it can be negated by a Sorc. If Joy was running out of the ultimate, it wasn't versus someone who knows how to use it, or versus the morph that stays in one place.

The people I fight daily who run stam builds all have 25K+ resistance in heavy. With the occasional medium armor player that stands very little chance, short of avoiding the fight completely. I fight people who use poisons of all kinds, but most people cannot afford to use good poisons constantly in fights.

You can keep your distance all you want, I'm still attacking you at range with spells. I just won't have to upkeep my shields as much, which is nice for me. At some point you have to get close to put in enough pressure for a kill.

Time for a set counter:
2 items) Adds Max Health

(3 items) Adds 4% Healing Taken

(4 items) Reduce damage taken from Players by 5%.

(5 items) Reduces your damage taken from Siege Weapons and Player Area of Effect abilities by 20%.

Add in the skeleton monster set, you get 25% with the 30% overall.

CapuchinSeven · October 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

Slotting a destro is not a con to a magicka nb or a magicka Sorc.

I agree Destro staff on NB is great.
I gave it a quick try and.. I dunno, outside of large group vs large group the cost just seems to high for me.

I can understand the cost because it's an AOE and in large scale it's going to be more useful and building ultimate will come much faster but in the quick burst of PVP I tired it on I managed to get it off twice and it wasn't bad but for every single use I kept thinking, I could have killed this guy three times over with Soul Assault or at the very least be getting the Mage Guild passives from Meteor.

The thing is, I still had to line my target up for it the same way I would Soul Assault or Meteor but the cost was just too high to make it worth it. It's not like once I had the ultimate built up it was a 100% kill.

I'll try it in a larger group tonight where it will likely shine but I'm still not sure it's THAT much better than bats. I guess at least you don't have to be a vampire to use it.

manny254 · October 2016

Minno wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Lol you have no idea. Destro Ultimate is amazing for AvA, just put on some Skoria and VD and corner a big group. Its like carpet bombing, just sick.

Edit: Didn't run into any issues with either morph. Prefer the ranged one though.

I dunno about this. It's been used against me several times and I just walked out of it.

Same, I dunno where this view that the Destro' staff ultimate is great is coming from, I've been hit with it twice in PVP and I walked out of it both times.

And the, do this then this then this then this to get a kill with it is kinda makes me wrinkle my brow, I could pretty much say that about most Ultimates.

Plus MOST of the complaints about it came pre-buff, which it had shortly after after it had been stated it wouldn't be changed.

The buff made EOTS a much nastier option.

I'll have to PvP eventually after I do my required set farming to test out counters. But if @Joy_Division can walk out of its ranged on a Templar, I'd imagine most stam builds can run away too.

Can this ultimate be interrupted? Are people running more than 25k spell resistance? Are people running poisons? Is it purgable? Are players doing their best to use ranged abilities and maintain distance (like they do for bats?)

Still lots of questions to explore. Granted the obvious con to using this ultimate is that you have to slot the destro staff, a skill line where most of the skills' dmg hits for less than 1k and you lose the potential for extra set bonuses.

There is no moving out of the morph that follows. If you are getting zerged there is essentially no counter.

Dreyloch · October 2016

I know we're all off topic here, but I gotta say this is one of the best graphically done Ulti's ever.

I finally got a chance to try it on my sorc out in Reaper's March last night. The area sky was like almost dusk or twilight at the time. I came up to a dolmen in progress and let one off... Just looked absolutely amazing! (lightning version)

Anyway...cast proxy, cast moving Ulti, port into zerg, root, spam some kind of impulse while wearing VD...prosper. Haven't been out there in pvp yet, but I see that as a pretty nasty combo. Still working on gathering sets, and of course..group bug /sigh.

I'm also weary of multiple sorcs casting this at once. I fear a nasty lag issue TBH.

CapuchinSeven · October 2016

Dreyloch wrote: »

Anyway...cast proxy, cast moving Ulti, port into zerg, root, spam some kind of impulse while wearing VD...prosper. Haven't been out there in pvp yet, but I see that as a pretty nasty combo. Still working on gathering sets, and of course..group bug /sigh.

Yeah I was thinking I would run it as a bomb NB when I test it against groups, EOTS, VD and Proxy should make for a pretty nasty combo in the zerg.

Minno · October 2016

manny254 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Lol you have no idea. Destro Ultimate is amazing for AvA, just put on some Skoria and VD and corner a big group. Its like carpet bombing, just sick.

Edit: Didn't run into any issues with either morph. Prefer the ranged one though.

I dunno about this. It's been used against me several times and I just walked out of it.

Same, I dunno where this view that the Destro' staff ultimate is great is coming from, I've been hit with it twice in PVP and I walked out of it both times.

And the, do this then this then this then this to get a kill with it is kinda makes me wrinkle my brow, I could pretty much say that about most Ultimates.

Plus MOST of the complaints about it came pre-buff, which it had shortly after after it had been stated it wouldn't be changed.

The buff made EOTS a much nastier option.

I'll have to PvP eventually after I do my required set farming to test out counters. But if @Joy_Division can walk out of its ranged on a Templar, I'd imagine most stam builds can run away too.

Can this ultimate be interrupted? Are people running more than 25k spell resistance? Are people running poisons? Is it purgable? Are players doing their best to use ranged abilities and maintain distance (like they do for bats?)

Still lots of questions to explore. Granted the obvious con to using this ultimate is that you have to slot the destro staff, a skill line where most of the skills' dmg hits for less than 1k and you lose the potential for extra set bonuses.

There is no moving out of the morph that follows. If you are getting zerged there is essentially no counter.

If being zerged, it might make sense to slot these:
DK: Magma Shell to give players a shield to help take the dmg (it send dmg reduction or shield help play a part in defending).

Nightblade: summon shade to get the hell out of dodge.

Templar: healing

Sorc: streak, shield, using range to counter their dps negate.

Minalan · October 2016

It looks like a decent anti-Zerg tool, but useless in duels or small scale.

Good players are going to dodge roll out. Templars will just heal up and walk out like a boss.

I don't think it will take the place of negate for area denial, as people can still heal and purge inside of it. Half the problem fighting Zerg ball groups is the overlapping heal spamming.

OdinForge · October 2016

@CapuchinSeven You're just not using it right.

If anyone here is still doubting this abilities use 1v1, I encourage you to collaborate with me to demonstrate how to use it. I'm on PC NA and my @name is the same as my forum name, just send me a mail. Just grab a stamina toon with some medium armor to start.

I spent all night screwing over some of the best players NA. If none of you disbelievers here will take me up on this, I'll just put together a video later and update this post.

manny254 · October 2016

Minno wrote: »

manny254 wrote: »

Minno wrote: »

CapuchinSeven wrote: »

Joy_Division wrote: »

Berenhir wrote: »

Lol you have no idea. Destro Ultimate is amazing for AvA, just put on some Skoria and VD and corner a big group. Its like carpet bombing, just sick.

Edit: Didn't run into any issues with either morph. Prefer the ranged one though.

I dunno about this. It's been used against me several times and I just walked out of it.

Same, I dunno where this view that the Destro' staff ultimate is great is coming from, I've been hit with it twice in PVP and I walked out of it both times.

And the, do this then this then this then this to get a kill with it is kinda makes me wrinkle my brow, I could pretty much say that about most Ultimates.

Plus MOST of the complaints about it came pre-buff, which it had shortly after after it had been stated it wouldn't be changed.

The buff made EOTS a much nastier option.

I'll have to PvP eventually after I do my required set farming to test out counters. But if @Joy_Division can walk out of its ranged on a Templar, I'd imagine most stam builds can run away too.

Can this ultimate be interrupted? Are people running more than 25k spell resistance? Are people running poisons? Is it purgable? Are players doing their best to use ranged abilities and maintain distance (like they do for bats?)

Still lots of questions to explore. Granted the obvious con to using this ultimate is that you have to slot the destro staff, a skill line where most of the skills' dmg hits for less than 1k and you lose the potential for extra set bonuses.

There is no moving out of the morph that follows. If you are getting zerged there is essentially no counter.

If being zerged, it might make sense to slot these:
DK: Magma Shell to give players a shield to help take the dmg (it send dmg reduction or shield help play a part in defending).

Nightblade: summon shade to get the hell out of dodge.

Templar: healing

Sorc: streak, shield, using range to counter their dps negate.

DK: If you are relying on a defensive ult while outnumbered you are just never going to be able to kill properly. If you need a completely defensive ult to counter one skill there is a problem. Also consider multiple enemies can slot the skills. So good luck having magma up for every player using it.

Nightblade: So I should just always have a shade up every second? Seriously shade is also almost useless if you are playing with even just one other person. Let me just abandon them to die.

Templar: Good luck out healing high unblockable damage while getting pressured by multiple players. Hell I would challenge you to out heal 2 good players for the duration of this ult.

Sorc: Good luck doing any of that while getting gap closer spammed.

CapuchinSeven · October 2016

OdinForge wrote: »

@CapuchinSeven You're just not using it right.

If anyone here is still doubting this abilities use 1v1, I encourage you to collaborate with me to demonstrate how to use it. I'm on PC NA and my @name is the same as my forum name, just send me a mail. Just grab a stamina toon with some medium armor to start.

I spent all night screwing over some of the best players NA. If none of you disbelievers here will take me up on this, I'll just put together a video later and update this post.

But how am I not using it right? I didn't say it wasn't perfectly fine once I had 250 ultimate but if I'd used Soul Assault I'd have had the same player dead twice over.

I'm not saying it's not a powerful fight ending ability if used right but in 1v1 I can say the same for Soul Assault and Meteor. So how, given that sentence am I not using it right or how is it any different than a 100 ultimate ability?

OdinForge · October 2016

Let's be honest here, no good player is dying to soul assault 1v1 post the changes made in One Tamriel. You can block the damage while healing, not to mention still attack the player stuck in animation. It doesn't matter how many times you cast that ability within the time-frame of one EoTS.

A stronger argument could be made for Soul Harvest at 50 ultimate, but the damage is too low.

Meteor cost just 50 less ultimate than EoTS. You get far less damage, the ability to cleanse the damage and you can block before it hits you. It's a huge telegraph, and EoTS is as well but you cannot block or escape the damage.

For 250 ultimate you lose the cons of all cheaper ultimates.