Are you happy about VR ranks removed?

RoyalPink06 · April 2016

Not much is changing for me - i'm scouting every single zone no matter if it's for VR or CP

i kinda liked having the "VR" distinction. It was a *** getting to VR16 and I felt like the title was well-earned. Also found myself judging other players according to level - not in a bad way, more like a quick assessment of their potential to help me take down world bosses in Wrothgar, etc (like "oh hey, you're a V16 too, cool"). I know, I know, it doesn't necessarily mean anything to have the veteran rank or not, it was just kinda nice to have.

On the other hand, it would be nice to level new alts faster.

I wonder how it will play out, with gear requirements and all.

CaptainVenom · April 2016

I like it, but i'm worried about gameplay and storyline continuity

I don't really care, since leveling up VR Ranks is actually very easy, but I'm really curious to see how VR16 equipment will change, as well as Silver and Gold areas and so on... a lot of in-game things, from equip to questing, are tied to VR Rank.

Ritzey01 · April 2016

I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to level

This whole idea sucks from the start of the 1st whiny thread. I am an alt-aholic, i already have a maxed level toon and when i am not playing him in a group with RL friends i level up my alts, BUT now there are no levels past 50 and CP's are shared per account. So 4 of my alts ranging from VR1 to VR11 will be max level. The VR levels made up 1/2 the game per toon, not thats 1/2 the content gone with nothing to take its place!

dimensional · April 2016

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Absolutely, unequivocally yes I am excited and in heavy favor of removing VR ranks. I can't wait for it!

Mulgorrah · April 2016

I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to level

Yes, it was a pain to get to VR16, but it was also something to strive for. The horizontal character development with CP just seems like a bad idea. Plus, they haven't even talked about how they are going to compensate those who actually took the time to get VR16. Let alone spending thousands of gold to craft VR16 legendary gear. I am disappointed with them declaring the removal of veteran ranks without really scoping out how the community feels about it first. Those who got VR16 should get some kind of special mount or costumes or something, and a HUGE bonus to CP. Also, does anyone really think CP are that special? They are just a bunch of passive bonuses, this isn't really a fun way to develop your end game character...

Additionally, having the VR16 title was pretty cool in and of itself. 50 just seems too easy, everyone is basically being demoted to newb. ESO is going to demote itself to newb also with this move.

idk · April 2016

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

So we are given one yes option and essentially 4 no options. This is a tainted poll. Not that it matters since the forum polls never reflect the game community.

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2016

No - i liked having clear xp goals

Mulgorrah wrote: »

Yes, it was a pain to get to VR16, but it was also something to strive for. The horizontal character development with CP just seems like a bad idea. Plus, they haven't even talked about how they are going to compensate those who actually took the time to get VR16. Let alone spending thousands of gold to craft VR16 legendary gear. I am disappointed with them declaring the removal of veteran ranks without really scoping out how the community feels about it first. Those who got VR16 should get some kind of special mount or costumes or something, and a HUGE bonus to CP. Also, does anyone really think CP are that special? They are just a bunch of passive bonuses, this isn't really a fun way to develop your end game character...

^ This.

VDoom1 · April 2016

No - i liked having clear xp goals

Mulgorrah wrote: »

Yes, it was a pain to get to VR16, but it was also something to strive for. The horizontal character development with CP just seems like a bad idea. Plus, they haven't even talked about how they are going to compensate those who actually took the time to get VR16. Let alone spending thousands of gold to craft VR16 legendary gear. I am disappointed with them declaring the removal of veteran ranks without really scoping out how the community feels about it first. Those who got VR16 should get some kind of special mount or costumes or something, and a HUGE bonus to CP. Also, does anyone really think CP are that special? They are just a bunch of passive bonuses, this isn't really a fun way to develop your end game character...

Additionally, having the VR16 title was pretty cool in and of itself. 50 just seems too easy, everyone is basically being demoted to newb. ESO is going to demote itself to newb also with this move.

Totally agreed. Just gaining one veteran rank is hard work. Gaining all the way to 16 is a challenge, one many gives up on.

Justice31st · April 2016

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Why should we be forced to craft new gear every Veteran Rank end game increase with the current cost of legendary mats?

Mulgorrah · April 2016

I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to level

Justice31st wrote: »

Why should we be forced to craft new gear every Veteran Rank increase with the current cost of legendary mats?

Why would you ever do that anyway? I crafted veteran gear once every four levels or so, and never made it legendary.

dodgehopper_ESO · April 2016

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

If anything it will let me load up my alts with alternate gear builds, which will be very nice. Skill points are still going to be a huge part of character growth and the SP from lvl 1-50 is not enough. You need some SP from content after that point.

Justice31st · April 2016

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Mulgorrah wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

Why should we be forced to craft new gear every Veteran Rank increase with the current cost of legendary mats?

Why would you ever do that anyway? I crafted veteran gear once every four levels or so, and never made it legendary.

Um, to be competitive in PvP? lol...

Slurg · April 2016

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

I'm glad VR Ranks are going away but it's more of a gear issue for me - lots of sets waiting for the non-vet 16s to try out, and I haven't even bothered leveling some characters to 50 yet since the vet ranks are tedious to gain. I hate grinding and vet leveling through questing is painfully slow, plus being over leveled for the mobs in silver/gold quests currently leads to gaining less CP. Then as an added bonus there are too many jerks who grinded to VR16 that act like I'm the noob when I'm playing my less than vet 16s in groups. I'm hoping some of those annoying things will melt away with VR ranks. After all the inevitable bugs are worked out of course.

W0lf_z13 · April 2016

No - i liked having clear xp goals

I enjoyed the leveling of my toons, and as stated before it gave something to work toward.... I used the time for leveling to learn the toons skills and how to use them and adjust them as needed

Zyle · April 2016

Removing VR ranks for me was a sign of hope for them scaling more (or all) sets, and scaling all trials. I really hope they end up scaling all the trials, SO won't be enough to revive Craglorn alone.

Takes-No-Prisoner · April 2016

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Steel_Brightblade · April 2016

No - i liked having clear xp goals

The option I wanted wasn't there, I'm not happy as I made the effort to get multiple characters to rank 16 and I'm at the cap already so from the change half the population get a boost but those who played most and stayed loyal to the game get nothing.

Lightninvash · April 2016

this is going to become what destiny did they made it lvl 40 then your light level is what counted for how hard of difficulty you can compete with. ESO wil be lvl 50 and CP will take over there wil probably be like 100cp zones 200 cp zones etc so that you can find the zone relating to your cp and that will be your difficulty instead of v9 zones and v 10 and so on

Ritzey01 · April 2016

I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to level

Mulgorrah wrote: »

Justice31st wrote: »

Why should we be forced to craft new gear every Veteran Rank increase with the current cost of legendary mats?

Why would you ever do that anyway? I crafted veteran gear once every four levels or so, and never made it legendary.

Yea, i just went every 5 levels. VR1, VR5, VR10, VR15 and then VR16.

OrangeTheCat · April 2016

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Ecstatic!

(Assuming, of course, it really happens this time. And assuming ZOS does a good job of it. Two very big assumptions, I know)

mb10 · April 2016

Does it even matter? Max level is just another number and by now a vr16 can be any rubbish player who grinded. I guess everyone being level50 may be a bit stupid too though

Your sets, stats, CP and skill is the real determinant now of a good player

W0lf_z13 · April 2016

No - i liked having clear xp goals

thats another thing.... those who have already reached the cap of cps yeah they may get the additional "X" amount of CP out of the removal.... BUT .... they cant use them.... so they just sit there until the next increase,,, which by then there is a good chance they will be at THAT next cap... and the cycle just continues... and no I am not one of these people that are capped.... i only have about 322 cp's

nimander99 · April 2016

I hope it leads to the entire world opening back up for valuable exploration! Nothing I hate more than leaving all that beautiful content behind cause I out leveled it...

jkemmery · April 2016

I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to level

Well I didn't really know how else to vote. My main is VR16 but no where near max CP, you only get about 5~7 or so cp per VR rank, or at least that's what I seem to recall. My main is now at like 162 or so cp. I'm not sure how gear will be tied to cp vs VR rank. They state VR ranks are going away for DB, but I have yet to see any explanation from ZOS as to how that will be replaced, specifically and how it will effect me. I'd really love to know more.

RDMyers65b14_ESO · April 2016

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Mind you, I have 6 vet ranked characters, two who are V16. I am pleased with the removal of the vet ranks. It is about time!!!!

IcyDeadPeople · April 2016

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Ritzey01 wrote: »

This whole idea sucks from the start of the 1st whiny thread. I am an alt-aholic, i already have a maxed level toon and when i am not playing him in a group with RL friends i level up my alts, BUT now there are no levels past 50 and CP's are shared per account. So 4 of my alts ranging from VR1 to VR11 will be max level. The VR levels made up 1/2 the game per toon, not thats 1/2 the content gone with nothing to take its place!

Can you explain a bit more? When you say "1/2 the content gone," you meant to say you fear the Cadwell's Silver / Gold / Craglorn quests will not be possible to do after this change?

Vaoh · April 2016

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Opinions will differ, but mine is quite simple.

The removal of Vet Ranks is one of (if not the) best things ZOS has ever done for ESO. Will be a healthy change and bring back tons of players.

Give ZoS props for pulling this off people!

STEVIL · April 2016

Yes! Max level faster - that sounds awesome!

Just what Uriel_Nocturne said. Couldnt have said it better myself. But thats what I meant, or tried to say. Now there wont be much to strive for except more Champion Points.

First off, i am not one of those impatient PVPers so i do take offense at being linked into that lot.

Second, impatience has nothing to do with it for me. Pay atetention please that with 3 VR16, a VR13 and a VR10 plus three VR1-5 i have played thru each set of mainline content silver and gold so many times i have run each of the main questlines maybe 7 or more times now (counting the two vet rank chars i dropped.)

repeating those questlines again or persistent grinding to raise my alts is not "alt friendly" or "user friendly" and i dont need a "level" badge to make me feel good about my progress.

if all gear scaled to level, i wouldnt even be that worried about getting VR ranks.

happy to see them go and an account wide gear scaling implemented.

YMMV

Ritzey01 · April 2016

I hate the change and now i'm demotivated to level

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

This whole idea sucks from the start of the 1st whiny thread. I am an alt-aholic, i already have a maxed level toon and when i am not playing him in a group with RL friends i level up my alts, BUT now there are no levels past 50 and CP's are shared per account. So 4 of my alts ranging from VR1 to VR11 will be max level. The VR levels made up 1/2 the game per toon, not thats 1/2 the content gone with nothing to take its place!

Can you explain a bit more? When you say "1/2 the content gone," you meant to say you fear the Cadwell's Silver / Gold / Craglorn quests will not be possible to do after this change?

I mean there is no point, there is no exp to be gained, no progression to accomplish. All there is is running around picking up skyshards and doing only the quest to get SP's......... There is no point to any side quest past lvl 50 at all.

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2016

No - i liked having clear xp goals

IcyDeadPeople wrote: »

Ritzey01 wrote: »

This whole idea sucks from the start of the 1st whiny thread. I am an alt-aholic, i already have a maxed level toon and when i am not playing him in a group with RL friends i level up my alts, BUT now there are no levels past 50 and CP's are shared per account. So 4 of my alts ranging from VR1 to VR11 will be max level. The VR levels made up 1/2 the game per toon, not thats 1/2 the content gone with nothing to take its place!

Can you explain a bit more? When you say "1/2 the content gone," you meant to say you fear the Cadwell's Silver / Gold / Craglorn quests will not be possible to do after this change?

Not that they "aren't possible", but "what's the point?".

With no levels to strive for. With no upward mobility for your characters, what is there about the other two Alliances that would hold anything for you to achieve?

This change from achieving upwardly mobile character levels (the VR ranks) to a horizontally motivated plateau (the CP's alone) will only bring stagnation and a sense of "what's the point" to the 3/4 of the game that isn't PvP.