This is the Biggest waste of resources, veteran levels are just fine.

Remove Cadwell quest lock and add battle leveling to Cadwell silver and gold zones so it can be done in any order and concentrate on adding more content.

Can't wait to see what you do.

right now VR are not the issue, its CP, oh and the fact then when you finish Cadwells Gold you are around VR11-12 and no content left to level in, Craglorn is group only, and if you can get one you are forced to do PvP dailies to level.

the issue is, remove VR, sure great, now what? the time to level is still the same, youve just changed the name, the CPs are still earned at the same rate, nothing has changed, the loot and items are re itemised, but that doesnt change the time to level or anything else, there is no longer any need to remove VR's, at all.... i cant see any system they can implement that will make it any different unless with the new levels, the XP needed is drastically reduced and more content is added to bridge the gap for the solo player, while Orsinium will help with that it still wont cover VR ranks 12-16 as it stands..

the real issue is NOT VRs. its champion points and time to level, time to level is fine with supported content, Champ points are not.

NativeJoe wrote: »

deadlock007 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, the plan is still to remove Veteran Ranks. We'll talk more about the details of this as we get closer to implementation.

Do the people in charge of this decision realize that the majority of players don't want them removed now?

They can't back track now because they "promised". Deltia flipped his lid about it made a post here that got 50k+ views because we went vr14 to vr16. if they said, Nope, to hard...and ultimately pointless... alot of people would freak out.

I say give the masses their lvls back. just re-lable the Veteran ranks. Not that hard. and call it a day.

Just renaming the ranks is a lot shadier than just saying "Hey guys, it will screw things up too much and we realize most people like the vet ranks now since they are easier to get so we are not removing them" That would be like them promising PVP an update for over a year then just adding a PVE zone to it (I actually enjoy IC though).

Also, my opinion is never based on what some person who has a lot of people "following" him thinks. The only reason anyone who still wants them removed can give is "Because they said they would". That's never a reason for anything because things change and as time goes on you can realize that whatever you intended to do may not be the best decision.

Lower the XP required to gain ranks (again) and open all of the areas once you hit vet and everyone will be happy.

I like the ranks so think this is a terrible idea and will cause many issues for players. I'm not going to get to worked up about it because by the time they actually do it I doubt I'll still be playing this game.

right now VR are not the issue, its CP, oh and the fact then when you finish Cadwells Gold you are around VR11-12 and no content left to level in, Craglorn is group only, and if you can get one you are forced to do PvP dailies to level.

Stil don't get how poeple manage to run out of quest. I hit level vet14 at the start of the last zone of Cadwell silver.
Still didn't do Cadwell Gold

Soon to be replaced with the reincarnation system.

Once you reach 50 and complete the main quest you will unlock the ability to talk with Meridia to be reborn into any faction/race/class.

You will be given certain passives relevant to your previous life and even new active abilities to unlock as you progress in level as become more in tune with your previous lives!

That's right, I said "lives." You can reincarnate multiple times with moderate increases for each repeat!

Welcome to the new grind!

/rumormodeoff

Hey hey, hoe-hoe, the VR system's got to go.

Gear progression and Champion points are a solid method of improvement, I'm a big fan of the eventual removal.

Elloa wrote: »

right now VR are not the issue, its CP, oh and the fact then when you finish Cadwells Gold you are around VR11-12 and no content left to level in, Craglorn is group only, and if you can get one you are forced to do PvP dailies to level.

Stil don't get how poeple manage to run out of quest. I hit level vet14 at the start of the last zone of Cadwell silver.
Still didn't do Cadwell Gold

Agreed with Elloa. My character just reach Veteran Rank 10 yesterday and he only just start Molabar Tor quest which is 3rd zone of my current Cadwell Silver progression. With the changes they made in IC, reduced XP needed to level and boost of XP rewards, I have no idea how people can run out of quests.

Faulgor wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, the plan is still to remove Veteran Ranks. We'll talk more about the details of this as we get closer to implementation.

deadlock007 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

deadlock007 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, the plan is still to remove Veteran Ranks. We'll talk more about the details of this as we get closer to implementation.

Do the people in charge of this decision realize that the majority of players don't want them removed now?

That's not true...perhaps the remaining active players on the forums only may hold your opinion but I'd say it's more like 50-50 until 11/2, 11/17-11/18 then I'd say more will want VR's gone as they will jump to 100+ CP's and some to 400+

You would say huh? That must make it true. Well, I base my opinion off of the people commenting in this and other threads and polls like this

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/223036/removal-of-vr/p1

But most of all my opinion comes from the people that I play with in game, which is where I spend most of my time talking about it.

It is a waste of time to try to remove them now.

Considering they decided to remove the Veteran Ranks because of community feedback, I don't care too much what this or that poll says right now. People who want to return to the game constantly ask if they finally removed Veteran Ranks, and being reassured that that plan still stands is a good thing.

So pretty much you only care what the community thinks whenever it matches your own opinion. What is this handful of people, who might actually return to the game just because VR is gone, going to do when they realize what the CP grind is?

ESO would get more people back in game just by focusing on content. Trying to remove the vet ranks and revamp the whole game is taking resources away from that.

Takllin wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

jf_sauveb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, the plan is still to remove Veteran Ranks. We'll talk more about the details of this as we get closer to implementation.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Implementation of what? Is it possible to have an estimate of when because I've been waiting for this to happen since you guys released them...

Thanks

The removal of Veteran Ranks requires a lot more work than just, well, removing them. There's impact to itemization, quests, and dungeons to name a few. Again, we'll talk more about all this later next year.

Does that mean we are looking at second half of 2016 for this?

Thanks for the updates, I know a few friends won't come back until they are removed, and would be nice to have a narrower timeframe to tell them.

Why do they want them removed? Why do they care?

Removing VR ranks makes sense only if they were to completely redo the leveling system after lvl 50. Not only remove the ranks or rename them (renaming would be completely pointless) but invent a new system that would continue the leveling as it is below lvl 50 (where you will need more and more xp to reach the next level, for instance you would require 200000 xp for 51 and 400000 for 52 and so on). The levels could reach up to 100 (just an example).

It would also require a complete overhaul of the game as it would mean a massive change in the whole content. As I am not familiar with any kind of programming, I can't really say how hard it would be to do that but I am quite sure it wouldn't be as easy as many people here seem to think.

Anyway, it is only my personal view to the whole thing. I have nothing against VR system as it is and I would prefer it to stay the way it is now.

The only people that want VR ranks removed are the people that are hoping it will make levelling quicker. If they remove veteran ranks completely and just leave levels 1-50, the time it takes to level a new character would be ridiculous (7 hours at present). How would they then reward people that have already levelled to veteran 16 on one or more characters? They cant reward champion points with a the new cap system as people will most likely just hit the cap or be placed over it.

If they do not remove veteran levels and just rename them levels 50-65, I don't see the point as its just giving them a new name.

The amount of work that would be required to completely remove veteran levels and then rebalance the game (zones, gear, crafting, etc) is a complete waste of time and resources. This kind of game overhaul reminds me of Star Wars Galaxies, when they do remove veteran levels I fear the people that were campaigning for their removal will regret it.

The simplest way would be to remove Cadwell quest lock and battle level all the Cadwell Silver and Gold zones. Keep veteran levels as they are or even rename them 50-65 if they have too. This would make the levelling process much more enjoyable without the need to completely change the game.

Vet levels would never have needed to be removed if level caps didn't keep increasing while simultaneously providing a lack of content to justify those increases as well as nerfing xp repeatedly in areas like Craglorn, which only made the xp problem worse. If we had enough reliable ways to level ourselves through vet ranks at a reasonable pace, I don't think anyone would have ever asked to have them removed. Nobody and I mean nobody that does the content in Craglorn has any illusions that the xp they are gaining is fast or efficient at all. #ImproveCraglornXP

Removing vet levels now is a nice gesture, but still doesn't fix the fact that the majority of our veteran content only goes up to V10 (hopefully fixed somewhat with Orsinium) and Craglorn XP is so low you can probably farm skeevers in a V1 zone and earn xp faster. There is such an emphasis on removing the ability to level efficiently that ZOS dug themselves into a hole where people demand the removal of vet ranks, not because the system is poor but the xp to supplement that system is broken in about 10 different ways. Removing the vet ranks now doesn't solve these underlying xp issues at all.

deadlock007 wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

deadlock007 wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, the plan is still to remove Veteran Ranks. We'll talk more about the details of this as we get closer to implementation.

Do the people in charge of this decision realize that the majority of players don't want them removed now?

That's not true...perhaps the remaining active players on the forums only may hold your opinion but I'd say it's more like 50-50 until 11/2, 11/17-11/18 then I'd say more will want VR's gone as they will jump to 100+ CP's and some to 400+

You would say huh? That must make it true. Well, I base my opinion off of the people commenting in this and other threads and polls like this

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/223036/removal-of-vr/p1

But most of all my opinion comes from the people that I play with in game, which is where I spend most of my time talking about it.

It is a waste of time to try to remove them now.

Gotcha but forums polls only poll ppl on the forums who are drawn to a specific topic.

We are missing a lot of others amongst the active player base.