Are veteran ranks still gonna be removed?

aaron_campion · October 2015

I read the veteran ranks was planned to be removed mid 2015. Is this still the plan???

The Uninvited · October 2015

Last thing I heard is they will be removed after Orsinium has launched. So probably before the next DLC after that.

myrrrorb14_ESO · October 2015

Yep. They will indeed be removed. I assume right after I hit vet16

Malmai · October 2015

aaron_campion wrote: »

I read the veteran ranks was planned to be removed mid 2015. Is this still the plan???

I hope that doesnt happen cause it will be even more harder, remember cap will only stay for PvPers so PvErs will have hard time catching up to 1K+ CPers and if this system is gnna stand on CP system than everybody with low CP points (below 500) is F in the A...

LF 2 DDs 1K+ CP Rank only...

deadlock007 · October 2015

Hopefully not.

OrphanHelgen · October 2015

If they remove it, will then the masters weapons vr14 (and other lower veteran gear) have the same value as the current vr16 gear?

OrphanHelgen · October 2015

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

If they remove it, will then the masters weapons vr14 (and other lower veteran gear) have the same value as the current vr16 gear?

If that is, I want to know, because I am currently deconstructing all gear below vr16.

myrrrorb14_ESO · October 2015

OrphanHelgen wrote: »

If they remove it, will then the masters weapons vr14 (and other lower veteran gear) have the same value as the current vr16 gear?

I am very curious what they will do with items. A long time ago, when they first started talking about removing vet, there was talk of seasonal gear. But I have no idea what that meant then and know even less now.

After Orsinium releases, maybe they will start talking about it again.

I did hear that Thieves Guild and Dark Brotherhood is close now.

Tors · October 2015

VR Ranks removed, all VR16's will now be rank 65

MrDerrikk · October 2015

Tors wrote: »

VR Ranks removed, all VR16's will now be rank 65

This is the way I can see it being implemented, otherwise it'll be too much of a change for them to easily switch it. A straight transfer like that will be much easier for them.

They may even make each VR worth more than one normal level, and scale it closer to 100?

Islyn · October 2015

Malmai wrote: »

aaron_campion wrote: »

I read the veteran ranks was planned to be removed mid 2015. Is this still the plan???

I hope that doesnt happen cause it will be even more harder, remember cap will only stay for PvPers so PvErs will have hard time catching up to 1K+ CPers and if this system is gnna stand on CP system than everybody with low CP points (below 500) is F in the A...

LF 2 DDs 1K+ CP Rank only...

Except I think sadly CP will be nerfed to 500 I think? Or was I mis-informed?

Hrithmus · October 2015

I think ESO really dropped the ball on this VR system. Either way they go, it will *** people off.

Defilted · October 2015

So vet ranks do longer to get than regular levels. However to me they were not anymore painful, just took longer to get. I do not see a difference between levels 50 to 65 and vet levels 1 through 16. If the argument is strictly time based argument then you got me there because they did take longer than normal levels. Other than time spent this is the only issue I see so far in the Vet rank system.

The alt argument that Vet ranks need to be removed could be solved by just allowing accounts with an already max level toons to create alts at vet level 12 or something. Seems like a huge overhaul to the system just to lower the time spent leveling alts IMO.

grammar

TalonShina · October 2015

MrDerrikk wrote: »

Tors wrote: »

VR Ranks removed, all VR16's will now be rank 65

This is the way I can see it being implemented, otherwise it'll be too much of a change for them to easily switch it. A straight transfer like that will be much easier for them.

They may even make each VR worth more than one normal level, and scale it closer to 100?

it is the only way to do it and then it doesn't really remove anything. I find it funny though because I think if they did this all those complaining wouldn't complain anymore. I don't see the difference leave them as is. Labeling them something else doesn't take them away. It's comical though

astraea360 · October 2015

Islyn wrote: »

Malmai wrote: »

aaron_campion wrote: »

I read the veteran ranks was planned to be removed mid 2015. Is this still the plan???

I hope that doesnt happen cause it will be even more harder, remember cap will only stay for PvPers so PvErs will have hard time catching up to 1K+ CPers and if this system is gnna stand on CP system than everybody with low CP points (below 500) is F in the A...

LF 2 DDs 1K+ CP Rank only...

Except I think sadly CP will be nerfed to 500 I think? Or was I mis-informed?

How many people are past 500 points? I thought I heard it was a very small percentage.

Tors · October 2015

There is no real arguement for the removal of Vet Ranks.

In fact, taken to their purest form, the same arguements to remove Vet Ranks can be used to remove all ranks over level 1.

a vert rank is just a label for a character level

Way back when, the first people got to VR1 and moved onto the opposite factions areas to quest.

As the next wave of levelers reached that point they hit the "wall" ie it took a LOT longer to go from VR1 to 2 than it took to go from 30-50. This second group were the majority, but they could see some people playing with toys they could not yet get.

People were weak and could not face playing the game to get the experiance points, they believed that in crying about it, things would be changed to give them the same things as those who had gone before, but without them having to do any work.

ZOS_GinaBruno · October 2015

Yes, the plan is still to remove Veteran Ranks. We'll talk more about the details of this as we get closer to implementation.

SneaK · October 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, the plan is still to remove Veteran Ranks. We'll talk more about the details of this as we get closer to implementation.

Well, I think that's a horrible idea.

NewBlacksmurf · October 2015

I had the same question....but got some good comments here
http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/2318316/#Comment_2318316

Teiji wrote: »

Timestamp 52:50

https://youtu.be/5Rtw2wfJaLU?t=52m50s

Matt Firor said they're being removed after Orsinium. He said this @ Quakecon 2015. As has been stated many, many times already and several times in this thread.

Elvenpath · October 2015

Why need to remove veteran ranks? What is the difference between v16 character and 65 level character?

terrordactyl1971 · October 2015

I don't see any point to removing them

BuggeX · October 2015

Elvenpath wrote: »

Why need to remove veteran ranks? What is the difference between v16 character and 65 level character?

we will hit lvl 50 and any feauture with CPs, so insteed of v16 we have cp 501

it will Change something, until the flamers realise, now ist even worse

jf_sauveb16_ESO · October 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, the plan is still to remove Veteran Ranks. We'll talk more about the details of this as we get closer to implementation.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Implementation of what? Is it possible to have an estimate of when because I've been waiting for this to happen since you guys released them...

Thanks

pcripper39ub17_ESO · October 2015

If they are going to remove vet levels, sooner is better. The longer they wait the harder it is going to be to remove them. Itemization is their main problem.

If they do indeed come up with a Max level though, they can make some content relevent again, like VDSA and the trials. Or they can just rename the the Master Weapons that now drop at V14 as something like Wanna Be Master or something, since the weapons from the new Maelstrom Arena will be V16. Might be easier to cap everything instead of reworking some of the old content to make it relevent.

It will be interesting to see what they come up with. Or will they do nothing and continue?

RatedChaotic · October 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, the plan is still to remove Veteran Ranks. We'll talk more about the details of this as we get closer to implementation.

Please make sure all the bugs are worked out. If another roach motel is implemented, I will not get the raid this time and will just move.

ZOS_GinaBruno · October 2015

jf_sauveb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, the plan is still to remove Veteran Ranks. We'll talk more about the details of this as we get closer to implementation.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Implementation of what? Is it possible to have an estimate of when because I've been waiting for this to happen since you guys released them...

Thanks

The removal of Veteran Ranks requires a lot more work than just, well, removing them. There's impact to itemization, quests, and dungeons to name a few. Again, we'll talk more about all this later next year.

jf_sauveb16_ESO · October 2015

@ZOS_GinaBruno Thank you for the answer

TalonShina · October 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

jf_sauveb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, the plan is still to remove Veteran Ranks. We'll talk more about the details of this as we get closer to implementation.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Implementation of what? Is it possible to have an estimate of when because I've been waiting for this to happen since you guys released them...

Thanks

The removal of Veteran Ranks requires a lot more work than just, well, removing them. There's impact to itemization, quests, and dungeons to name a few. Again, we'll talk more about all this later next year.

I say leave them less headache for you and you all can focus on content. It's silly to remove them

TieFighter · October 2015

Malmai wrote: »

aaron_campion wrote: »

I read the veteran ranks was planned to be removed mid 2015. Is this still the plan???

I hope that doesnt happen cause it will be even more harder, remember cap will only stay for PvPers so PvErs will have hard time catching up to 1K+ CPers and if this system is gnna stand on CP system than everybody with low CP points (below 500) is F in the A...

LF 2 DDs 1K+ CP Rank only...

have you seen the benefits to being ESO+

Takllin · October 2015

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

jf_sauveb16_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Yes, the plan is still to remove Veteran Ranks. We'll talk more about the details of this as we get closer to implementation.

@ZOS_GinaBruno Implementation of what? Is it possible to have an estimate of when because I've been waiting for this to happen since you guys released them...

Thanks

The removal of Veteran Ranks requires a lot more work than just, well, removing them. There's impact to itemization, quests, and dungeons to name a few. Again, we'll talk more about all this later next year.

Does that mean we are looking at second half of 2016 for this?

Thanks for the updates, I know a few friends won't come back until they are removed, and would be nice to have a narrower timeframe to tell them.

Jura23 · October 2015

BuggeX wrote: »

Elvenpath wrote: »

Why need to remove veteran ranks? What is the difference between v16 character and 65 level character?

we will hit lvl 50 and any feauture with CPs, so insteed of v16 we have cp 501

it will Change something, until the flamers realise, now ist even worse

If they make all v16 that are not at the CP cap lowbies, I'll probably ragequit.