Would you like to see Duels disabled in Town limits?

tsaescishoeshiner

No

SilverBride wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

It's so simple to just step outside the town limits and duel to their heart's content. And that would be the courteous thing to do

Let people duel wherever the game allows them to. If you don't like it, feel free to do your crafting/roleplaying in any of the other major cities in the game.

I don't want more restrictions placed on what I can do in towns because someone doesn't want to see other players fighting in an MMORPG.

I don't like it and would like the game to no longer allow duels in towns. That is the reason for this poll. To give my feedback and see how others feel about it.

I will not be run out of my town because some players don't care how much they disrupt others.

Requesting a rule that duelers can't duel in town is more disruptive because it's running them out of town.

It's directly trying to control how others play by limiting them, whereas people who duel in towns aren't responsible for how other players think or feel about it.

At least, as long as they're not being insensitive or doing it to harass people, or taking it too far. I don't think I've ever seen or noticed people duel while I'm trying to craft. Is this in Alinor?

Dueling is disabled in the High Isle crafting area--maybe they can try that again for the next city. I really prefer outdoor crafting halls, though, with no doors blocking the way.

Imagine people who love occasionally dueling in a certain town not being able to. That doesn't feel like taking something away from them or forcing them out?

TaSheen

Yes

Vivec is ALWAYS full of duelers - it's obnoxious as well as annoying.

Erickson9610

No

SilverBride wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

It's so simple to just step outside the town limits and duel to their heart's content. And that would be the courteous thing to do

Let people duel wherever the game allows them to. If you don't like it, feel free to do your crafting/roleplaying in any of the other major cities in the game.

I don't want more restrictions placed on what I can do in towns because someone doesn't want to see other players fighting in an MMORPG.

I don't like it and would like the game to no longer allow duels in towns. That is the reason for this poll. To give my feedback and see how others feel about it.

I will not be run out of my town because some players don't care how much they disrupt others.

You don't need to be "run out of your town" because of players who annoy you, but you always have the option to leave them behind. You could try asking them to leave instead of asking ZOS to force them to leave. Just remember that they're not obligated to leave — this is a multiplayer game, and players are allowed to duel or roleplay in public spaces because no one person owns that space.


You made this thread to collect feedback about how others feel about this matter, so here's my stance, reiterated:

Dueling in towns is acceptable behavior, just as roleplaying in towns is acceptable behavior. You can always ask people you don't like to leave, but they are not obligated to — and they're not "discourteous" for choosing to play how they want in a public space, despite the objections of a few onlookers.

SilverBride

Yes

tsaescishoeshiner wrote: »

Dueling is disabled in the High Isle crafting area--maybe they can try that again for the next city.

Maybe they should go back and do that for all the crafting areas. That would be a good start because that is where it is the most disruptive.

Nerouyn

Yes

Erickson9610 wrote: »

You don't need to be "run out of your town" because of players who annoy you, but you always have the option to leave them behind.

Since duelling is permitted pretty much everywhere, there's no escaping it.

One time back when I still offered to let noobs use my houses for their crafting stations, a pair of them started duelling all over my living room. Didn't ask if I minded. Just started going at it.

One of the reasons I stopped making that offer.

Erickson9610 wrote: »

You could try asking them to leave instead of asking ZOS to force them to leave.

People have legitimately been asking ZOS to ban duelling in towns since its inception.

Public spaces are for public enjoyment.

If a permitted activity impairs the enjoyment of some then it is perfectly legitimate for them to complain.

SilverBride

Yes

spartaxoxo wrote: »

As for dueling in towns, there really isn't much place else for them to duel properly. Part of the fun of dueling is challenging new opponents. Kinda hard to do that if you can't ever find new opponents.

Take a few steps to just outside the town limits.
Announce in Zone Chat "Looking for duels outside west town entrance!"
Pair up and duel.

Erickson9610

No

SilverBride wrote: »

spartaxoxo wrote: »

As for dueling in towns, there really isn't much place else for them to duel properly. Part of the fun of dueling is challenging new opponents. Kinda hard to do that if you can't ever find new opponents.

Take a few steps to just outside the town limits.
Announce in Zone Chat "Looking for duels outside west town entrance!"
Pair up and duel.

You could also just duel where the people are. Players don't have to cater to anyone else because they're doing nothing wrong.

peacenote

No

Oh definitely not!

Part of the fun of dueling where other people are around is a) people sometimes start to watch and cheer and b) sometimes others will challenge you and it becomes a group event.

I really think that part of having a town experience is putting up with a variety of behaviors just like in real life. People can duel, randomly stop and play an instrument, pull out an interactive witch's cauldron, jump around, wear "inappropriate" outfits typically not worn in public, yell and say things, and even sneak around and rob and kill NPCs. And the most disruptive of these behaviors is probably actually the killing of NPCs, not dueling. (Or maybe that trumpet emote everyone got all riled up about.)

I get that some people can be inconsiderate and use the feature to be obnoxious or troll-y, but that's also just a part of people gathering together. I'm not encouraging people to purposely be annoying to others... but everyone is so quick to want to turn off anything that disrupts "immersion" in towns. Soon we'll be talking about making it so we can't see anyone else in a town!

Also, to me, dueling has always fit in as a logical thing that might happen in a magical, medieval-ish world focused on fighting and adventurers. Way more normal, in fact, than finding NPCs dead on the floor because people are doing their Blade of Woe endeavors.

UntilValhalla13

Yes

Yes. It's so annoying having everyone dueling on the stonefalls and vulkel guard wayshrines. Back on the ps4, it took forever to load that bs. They need to put a shrine at hammerdeath arena so everyone can go there.

Aylish

Yes

Wasn‘t this arena pit thing (in Stormhaven iirc?) meant to serve this purpose?
I don‘t like having duels right beside wayshrines in towns.
If they meet in Alikr, ok. But not in cities.

RomanRex

No

It is a sign of life and activity. Good thing not bad.

SilverBride

Yes

peacenote wrote: »

Part of the fun of dueling where other people are around is a) people sometimes start to watch and cheer and b) sometimes others will challenge you and it becomes a group event.

Having others watch and cheer is what I suspected was a reason for wanting to duel in town. But many of us are not in town to admire other players PvP skills and just want to craft uninterrupted.

Also, other players can join in on the dueling just outside of town as well as inside.

Nerouyn

Yes

RomanRex wrote: »

It is a sign of life and activity. Good thing not bad.

Unless it drives others to stay out of towns or the game entirely.

Syldras

Yes

Whenever I duel, I meet up outside the city walls. For me it feels like a matter of courtesy; I don't want to disturb other players with flashy effects, especially near crafting stations or traders, and it literally takes only seconds to ride out of town, so it's no big hassle for me.

As I understand the need for places to randomly meet other duelists, I think it would be good if ZOS would provide such places, easily accessible through a nearby wayshrine or even through free fast travel directly to the place.

Maybe they could even make more out of the duel system, with something like a real 1:1 arena (maybe even including a betting system?), in case people would be interested in that.

oicero

No

I'm not a fan of any kind of PvP but come on... Let the kids play around

peacenote

No

SilverBride wrote: »

peacenote wrote: »

Part of the fun of dueling where other people are around is a) people sometimes start to watch and cheer and b) sometimes others will challenge you and it becomes a group event.

Having others watch and cheer is what I suspected was a reason for wanting to duel in town. But many of us are not in town to admire other players PvP skills and just want to craft uninterrupted.

Also, other players can join in on the dueling just outside of town as well as inside.

Idk... this is kind of like going to a bar by yourself with a book and asking the people in the seats next to you to go outside to laugh at each other's jokes because their laughter is disrupting your reading. Yes, sometimes you might find a quiet bar where you can read in peace, but there's no guarantee that the next night that the bar won't be filled with a rowdy crowd.

If people aren't able to duel where people naturally gather, it won't happen nearly as much. It really would put a damper on the fun people are having with it. I personally have never ever gone into town and said "looking to duel." I would never put that much effort into it. What happens usually is people are congregating and chilling and someone decides to challenge someone as a way to kill time and it builds from there. The spontaneity is part of the fun of duels. Expecting that spectators would all have to go to a different spot outside of their way to watch duels is especially silly. A lot of times people watch or get engaged but they are there to do something else. This is a human behavior thing. If they happen to see the activity, they'll maybe participate but they'd never go out of their way to participate because it isn't their primary purpose.

I actually duel very little in game but the few times I have done it were extremely memorable and fun because of the participation of the people passing by.

I will also say that I have often visited a town just to craft or bank or feed my horse or pick up guild quests and others dueling have never interrupted any of those activities. Really, I do this way more often than I ever have gone into town and dueled. It's super easy to not watch the PvP and just keep walking if you're not there for that. It's not like the duelists can push you or kick you out of the crafting window.

Anyway, I do understand that we all have our own varying levels of tolerance for what feels "real" in the game world, but I think I made some pretty good points about the wide variety of disruptive behavior that can occur in towns. It seems a bit unfair to target dueling specifically when there's no guarantee the towns will be peaceful and quiet, and there are lots of ways people can be boisterous.

ApoAlaia

Other

In PC/EU I only see dueling in towns (other than outside Bergama, which is not quite 'in town' anyway) when is an endeavour and even then is quite 'blink and you miss it' so it does not really bother me either way.

SilverBride

Yes

peacenote wrote: »

...this is kind of like going to a bar by yourself with a book and asking the people in the seats next to you to go outside to laugh at each other's jokes because their laughter is disrupting your reading. Yes, sometimes you might find a quiet bar where you can read in peace, but there's no guarantee that the next night that the bar won't be filled with a rowdy crowd.

People do not go to bars to read. That is not reasonable or logical.

But players in a game do go to towns to craft and other activities. They have a right to do this without being hit by dueling players' skills.

Rohamad_Ali

Other

Another idea would be to make duels in town illegal so the guards would go after them but they can choose to break the law. Then watching invincible guards get involved would be more entertaining imo. Really there is no class of people that bother me in game except cheaters. I despise cheating. Everything else is meh. Watever. Enjoy yourselves.

fizzylu

No

SilverBride wrote: »

But players in a game do go to towns to craft and other activities. They have a right to do this without being hit by dueling players' skills.

Some people also go to towns to be around other players, socialize, etc. And whether or not you like it, dueling is apart of that for some.
The solution would be to have designated dueling areas IN cities.... but who knows if Zenimax would ever do such a thing and how long it'd take them to do it if they did.

If not, oh well-- let the duelers have their fun and go about your own business.

SilverBride

Yes

The one thing that keeps being overlooked is that players that are in town to craft or other town activities can't just ignore the dueling players when they are being hit with their skills as they go running through town. What makes this acceptable?

fizzylu

No

SilverBride wrote: »

What makes this acceptable?

They're not actually hurting you?

spartaxoxo

No

You don't take any damage from those skills?

Nerouyn

Yes

SilverBride wrote: »

People do not go to bars to read. That is not reasonable or logical.

I don't go to bars at all, except for one time for exceptional reasons, but I have read about others saying they read in bars.

I am avid reader. Could do it anywhere and oblivious to any amount of noise etc.

The people who do it wouldn't be, as the person you were responding to, unreasonably asking others to be quiet. They'd just be getting on with their read.

Maybe they really enjoy alcohol. And reading. Especially together. I don't drink so I don't know.

SilverBride wrote: »

But players in a game do go to towns to craft and other activities. They have a right to do this without being hit by dueling players' skills.

I've pretty much abandoned towns now. Especially ones plagued by duellers like Rawl'kha.

I have the banker and merchant and crafting stations in my homes so no need to visit towns other than very, very occasionally to use the guild bank.

And I don't do writs any more except for events.

ElvenOverlord

No

Different opinions and all but I find it interesting how some of the most trivial and minor things at least in my opinion bother people to such a huge extent.

SilverBride

Yes

fizzylu wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

What makes this acceptable?

They're not actually hurting you?

spartaxoxo wrote: »

You don't take any damage from those skills?

Players don't take damage from teabagging or mudballs either, but if players continue to use these on others they can be considered harassment. But for some reason we are expected to accept being hit with other player's skills. How is that fair?

Erickson9610

No

SilverBride wrote: »

fizzylu wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

What makes this acceptable?

They're not actually hurting you?

spartaxoxo wrote: »

You don't take any damage from those skills?

Players don't take damage from teabagging or mudballs either, but if players continue to use these on others they can be considered harassment. But for some reason we are expected to accept being hit with other player's skills. How is that fair?

Because dueling in a town is not targeted harassment? If they followed you around in their duel (and followed you outside of town or to entirely different towns) then that can be considered harassment.

If they're not trying to follow you with their skills, then it's not harassment. They're literally minding their own business.

Gabriel_H

There should be designated arenas areas just outside larger towns, some cheering NPCs for atmosphere, and a "ring" that players need to stay in or lose.

Gabriel_H

TheMajority wrote: »

what a player could want is not always good for the game and the dev vision of it

The dev vision of it is not always good for the game.

SilverBride

Yes

Erickson9610 wrote: »

Because dueling in a town is not targeted harassment? If they followed you around in their duel (and followed you outside of town or to entirely different towns) then that can be considered harassment.

If they're not trying to follow you with their skills, then it's not harassment. They're literally minding their own business.

It is still being hit with skills when trying to craft etc., which no one should have to put up with.

It only takes 5 seconds to just take the duel outside town.