Would you like to see Duels disabled in Town limits?

DreamyLu

Yes

I would prefer that it's disabled.

Now to be honest, in comparison to how much I'm bothered by followers all types, duels are peanuts. I would prefer to see with priority:
- The extension of the followers limitation to all services
- The extension of its radius of effect so that there are no followers at tables.

As is now, followers are such a bother to me, that I did migrate to a quiet town with all services but nobody around. So yes, the emptiness is a bit sad, but on the other hand, it feels sooooo good to be in peace at services, that I will not return back to Vulkhel or any other crowded towns before a long time. With that, for me, the duels issue is automatically solved.

SilverIce58

No

I'm sorry, but it's not "Your" town. It's everybody's town. This is a shared space we ALL have access to. And have all PAID to have access to. I honestly love seeing the duelers in town sometimes as it lets me know that the game is still full of life and of people who play the game and utilize the many systems. I can understand it being an annoyance and maybe disruptive in somewhere like Vivec where the blacksmithing station is nearby where people duel, but the duelers usually always keep their battles more off to the sides.

Also, people throw off skills all the time regardless of if people are dueling or not anyway, so what would you do about those people? Ban any skills from going off in town limits?

TaSheen

Yes

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Also, people throw off skills all the time regardless of if people are dueling or not anyway, so what would you do about those people? Ban any skills from going off in town limits?

I would. It's just stupid.

SilverBride

Yes

SilverIce58 wrote: »

I'm sorry, but it's not "Your" town.

It's not the dueler's town either.

SilverIce58 wrote: »

I can understand it being an annoyance and maybe disruptive in somewhere like Vivec where the blacksmithing station is nearby where people duel, but the duelers usually always keep their battles more off to the sides.

Not by my experience. They are always right in the crafting area.

Erickson9610

No

SilverBride wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

I'm sorry, but it's not "Your" town.

It's not the dueler's town either.

Exactly! It is a shared space, and no one is obligated to change the way they play for any other.

If you don't like dueling players, then ask them to leave, ignore them, or leave yourself. If you're a dueling player and you don't like the other players, then ask them to leave, ignore them, or leave yourself.

Might as well throw roleplayers in there, too — if you don't like roleplayers, then ask them to leave, ignore them, or leave yourself. And of course, if you're a roleplayer and you don't like the other players (including dueling players), then ask them to leave, ignore them, or leave yourself.

It's not the dueling players' town, the roleplayers' town, or anyone else's town — this is a shared community space in an MMORPG.

SilverBride

Yes

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's not the dueling players' town, the roleplayers' town, or anyone else's town — this is a shared community space in an MMORPG.

Which means that players need to consider how they may be negatively impacting others when they are in a shared space.

LunaFlora

Yes

preferably I'd like it to at least not happen at the Wayshrines or crafting areas.

Erickson9610

No

SilverBride wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's not the dueling players' town, the roleplayers' town, or anyone else's town — this is a shared community space in an MMORPG.

Which means that players need to consider how they may be negatively impacting others when they are in a shared space.

It means players have the right to play how they want, where they want. Ultimately ZOS makes the rules, and the people who choose to duel in towns are simply minding their own business while abiding by the rules, the same as roleplayers and everyone else.

Players can choose to reposition themselves; they are not obligated to change what they do to make everyone happy.

SilverBride

Yes

Erickson9610 wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

Erickson9610 wrote: »

It's not the dueling players' town, the roleplayers' town, or anyone else's town — this is a shared community space in an MMORPG.

Which means that players need to consider how they may be negatively impacting others when they are in a shared space.

It means players have the right to play how they want, where they want. Ultimately ZOS makes the rules, and the people who choose to duel in towns are simply minding their own business while abiding by the rules, the same as roleplayers and everyone else.

Players can choose to reposition themselves; they are not obligated to change what they do to make everyone happy.

That doesn't make it any less inconsiderate.

MidniteOwl1913

No

For the most part I think the duelers should be allowed to duel wherever they want. Most of them don't make a problem. PSNA I can't remember ever having seen any in the crafting areas.

The duelers like the ones in Stonefalls don't bother me at all. They have an area near the wayshire set off. It's doesn't interfere with shopping or crafting. I leave them alone and they leave me alone. I'm fine with that.

Sometimes there are duelers in Rawl''ka where the shopping is, that does annoy me, but not enough that I want to rain on their parade. And they aren't there very often.

colossalvoids

No

No, I would like more alive towns any day be it dueling, roleplayers discussing their daily matters in taverns or people simply laying-on-bridges or healing the hell out of thin air.

moderatelyfatman

No

No, I can't in good faith destroy the last bit of PvP in this game that is fair.

spartaxoxo

No

SilverBride wrote: »

fizzylu wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

What makes this acceptable?

They're not actually hurting you?

spartaxoxo wrote: »

You don't take any damage from those skills?

Players don't take damage from teabagging or mudballs either, but if players continue to use these on others they can be considered harassment. But for some reason we are expected to accept being hit with other player's skills. How is that fair?

Yeah, but they're casting their skills on each other and not on bystanders. It's not about the skill or npc touching someone's character, it's about whether or not someone is intentionally and repeatedly messing with another user. An unrelated third party is not the target in a duel. It's not generally their intention to upset anyone. And I can't speak to your server but it's mostly at way shrines in most places, although not all.

So, I usually find it pretty easy to ignore.

XSTRONG

No

I dont mind players dueling in town areas, I useally enjoy watching the duels when im in que waiting for dungeon or something plus the more active players in town doing diffrent things the more alive the town feels.

The_Boggart

Yes

I haven't even seen 1 duel in the arteum duelling area

LikiLoki

Yes

It is not necessary to prohibit this at the software level. There are guards in the cities. Let the violators of the order be fined in gold

Tandor

Yes

It irritates me when they deliberately duel around the Vulkhel Guard wayshrine. They get in the way, and my weapon is suddenly unsheathed when I pass through them. It's completely unnecessary.

SilverBride

Yes

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

fizzylu wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

What makes this acceptable?

They're not actually hurting you?

spartaxoxo wrote: »

You don't take any damage from those skills?

Players don't take damage from teabagging or mudballs either, but if players continue to use these on others they can be considered harassment. But for some reason we are expected to accept being hit with other player's skills. How is that fair?

Yeah, but they're casting their skills on each other and not on bystanders. It's not about the skill or npc touching someone's character, it's about whether or not someone is intentionally and repeatedly messing with another user. An unrelated third party is not the target in a duel. It's not generally their intention to upset anyone. And I can't speak to your server but it's mostly at way shrines in most places, although not all.

So, I usually find it pretty easy to ignore.

They may not be casting their skills directly on bystanders but bystanders are being hit with them and they know it.

And on PCNA it isn't mostly at wayshrines. It happens frequently at Vivec City right next to the blacksmithing table and bank, which are nowhere near the wayshrine. And in Rawl'kha right next to the guild traders. Every single day.

PrincessOfThieves

Other

I think it would actually be cool to have dedicated duelling places for each alliance.
With a conveniently placed wayshrine, that ayleid furnishing that restores ult, a banker and an armory station.

Vaqual

No

But what if having a fight in a town is part of their roleplay? Would your immersion be more important than theirs?

anadandy

Other

I would like them to spruce up Hammerdeath arena and make it viable for duels, like it was originally intended. There's already a merchant in there. Add a waysrine outside for ease of access and an armory station, maybe some crafting tables. It's a existing great asset that was wasted for many years before they added Jester Fest stuff once a year.

Aggrovious

No

This is a massive multiplayer game. Taking away players ability to due something limits what we can do in the game. Limitations are never fun.

spartaxoxo

No

SilverBride wrote: »

They may not be casting their skills directly on bystanders but bystanders are being hit with them and they know it.

And on PCNA it isn't mostly at wayshrines. It happens frequently at Vivec City right next to the blacksmithing table and bank, which are nowhere near the wayshrine. And in Rawl'kha right next to the guild traders. Every single day.

Do they know it? I doubt they're giving it a thought since the skills don't damage anyone. Where's the harm caused by a skill touching another player if they go through an area that they know is popular for dueling? I can't speak for others but this is the first I'm hearing of anyone bothered by a skill that doesn't do anything touching the because they came near a player casting it.

SilverIce58

No

TaSheen wrote: »

SilverIce58 wrote: »

Also, people throw off skills all the time regardless of if people are dueling or not anyway, so what would you do about those people? Ban any skills from going off in town limits?

I would. It's just stupid.

Sorry you have to play a game with tons of people girl, that's what's going to happen in an online video game, because that sort of thing is human. People are going to be nuisances, and all you can do sometimes is just ignore it or quit. Like I'm sorry, but coddling people all the time is not healthy either.

Marronsuisse

No

I love seeing people dueling in town, I often stop to watch.

I agree it’d be rude for people to duel right over crafting stations, but I have never seen this happen. I mostly see them in open areas near wayshrines, Undaunted enclaves or sometimes near inns.

NeoniKa

Yes

I voted yest, but what I would really like to see is the Duels considered crimes in towns and the players seen by guards on duels immediately attacked by them. It's too ridiculous to see players fighting in the middle of a town and guards passing by and as if nothing's happening.

SilverBride

Yes

It would be nice if instead of being told "This isn't your game", "You can just go somewhere else", "It doesn't hurt you", "I've never seen it happen", "Just deal with it or find a different game", "Why should you not being disrupted matter more than our fun" etc...

If someone would reply "Rather than hit other players with our skills while they are crafting or shopping at guild traders we will take 5 seconds to just move away from these busy areas".

But that isn't the response we are getting. It's sad that players have to ask for game changes for things that could easily be resolved with a little empathy and consideration.

spartaxoxo

No

SilverBride wrote: »

It would be nice if instead of being told "This isn't your game", "You can just go somewhere else", "It doesn't hurt you", "I've never seen it happen", "Just deal with it or find a different game", "Why should you not bring disrupted matter more than our fun" etc...

If someone would reply "Rather than hit other players with our skills while they are crafting or shopping at guild traders we will take 5 seconds to just move away from these busy areas".

But that isn't the response we are getting. It's sad that players have to ask for game changes for things that could easily be resolved with a little empathy and consideration.

The call for kicking people out the town is the opening post. It's the subject of the poll. So, people are responding to the subject matter of the thread.

When considering a policy change, questions like those are vital. Policy shouldn't just be about catering to the tastes of some individuals but rather about fostering a peaceful environment that also balances player freedom.

A policy or gameplay change necessitates asking:

Who or what is being harmed?
Why are people choosing to act in that way?
What is the POV of both sides of the issue?What alternatives do people who partake in this activity have if this is banned?
What impediments on the people being restricted are being added to their enjoyment of the game?
What alternatives do people have who dislike the activity to avoid it?

All threads discussing a policy change should have conversations that attempt to understand this and other points.

If your poll was asking if I'd consider it rude to duel near crafting stations then I can agree with that. I don't see that much on PSN and it would annoy me too if I were on PCNA.

But, if you ask me whether or not dueling should be disabled in towns entirely? That's a different story. I don't think so because I don't see the harm being caused. If someone were to articulate a harm to me, or a solution that balances both sides, I am open to changing my mind. But, as it stands, I don't understand the harm so I don't agree with a blanket ban.

SilverBride

Yes

spartaxoxo wrote: »

SilverBride wrote: »

But that isn't the response we are getting. It's sad that players have to ask for game changes for things that could easily be resolved with a little empathy and consideration.

The call for kicking people out the town is the opening post. It's the subject of the poll. So, people are responding to the subject matter of the thread.

I started this poll and I did not suggest kicking players out of town. I suggested limiting a disruptive action that involves other players that do not want to be hit with their skills just a few feet over to just outside the town limits.

The amount of pushback to just moving a few feet in order to keep things pleasant for everyone is really disheartening.

Jaraal

No

Nah, let them play. But it would be cool if they made it so if anyone starts a duel inside the city limits, then any players nearby are free to join in as they see fit.