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Population shrinking, PLEASE do something
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MISTFORMBZZZ✭✭✭✭✭MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Sitting in this forum repeatedly touting t&l seems odd to me.
Of cause people will compare the games thought?
How is this odd?
It has been announced for ages there will be other mmos released and zos has done nothing to fix issues.
Even the most loyal community has enough at some point.
This thread here has been written before T&L release and there have been multiple of these kind of threads in the past and everything is literally getting ignored.
It is not strange to make comparisons to other games, especially T&L, which is now the rage in the competition. It just feels too much like an underlying message to me that you should quit ESO and come to T&L. It is too blatantly obvious. I am one of the critics of ZoS performance issues.
nobody said this and nobody wants you or anyone else to quit eso and play another game. We want Zos to take an example of positive aspects other games have and improve.
A good start would be to fix population, to come back to the topic..10 -
Coo_PnT✭✭✭MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Sitting in this forum repeatedly touting t&l seems odd to me.
Of cause people will compare the games thought?
How is this odd?
It has been announced for ages there will be other mmos released and zos has done nothing to fix issues.
Even the most loyal community has enough at some point.
This thread here has been written before T&L release and there have been multiple of these kind of threads in the past and everything is literally getting ignored.
It is not strange to make comparisons to other games, especially T&L, which is now the rage in the competition. It just feels too much like an underlying message to me that you should quit ESO and come to T&L. It is too blatantly obvious. I am one of the critics of ZoS performance issues.
nobody said this and nobody wants you or anyone else to quit eso and play another game. We want Zos to take an example of positive aspects other games have and improve.
A good start would be to fix population, to come back to the topic..
No one will make clear stupid inducements. If you do, you will be banned from the Forum. I don't know how to quote you, but in your first post you posted that guild members were going to T&L, right? You can be led to that even if you did not intend it. Currently this thread has several posts mentioning T&L. I am one of those who, like you, love ESO and want to see the population revived.PC/NA
My native language is not English, so please forgive me if there are any odd expressions.
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MISTFORMBZZZ✭✭✭✭✭MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Sitting in this forum repeatedly touting t&l seems odd to me.
Of cause people will compare the games thought?
How is this odd?
It has been announced for ages there will be other mmos released and zos has done nothing to fix issues.
Even the most loyal community has enough at some point.
This thread here has been written before T&L release and there have been multiple of these kind of threads in the past and everything is literally getting ignored.
It is not strange to make comparisons to other games, especially T&L, which is now the rage in the competition. It just feels too much like an underlying message to me that you should quit ESO and come to T&L. It is too blatantly obvious. I am one of the critics of ZoS performance issues.
nobody said this and nobody wants you or anyone else to quit eso and play another game. We want Zos to take an example of positive aspects other games have and improve.
A good start would be to fix population, to come back to the topic..
No one will make clear stupid inducements. If you do, you will be banned from the Forum. I don't know how to quote you, but in your first post you posted that guild members were going to T&L, right? You can be led to that even if you did not intend it. Currently this thread has several posts mentioning T&L. I am one of those who, like you, love ESO and want to see the population revived.
Yes i wrote people from my guild went to T&L and im playing it too, because on PS EU its dead.
But i can promise you i would instantly come back if population was fixed.
We are literally just waiting for it but in the current state most of us are fed up and play something else.
This has nothing to do with trying to convince others to anything, its just speaking frustration out of me.
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Coo_PnT✭✭✭MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »Sitting in this forum repeatedly touting t&l seems odd to me.
Of cause people will compare the games thought?
How is this odd?
It has been announced for ages there will be other mmos released and zos has done nothing to fix issues.
Even the most loyal community has enough at some point.
This thread here has been written before T&L release and there have been multiple of these kind of threads in the past and everything is literally getting ignored.
It is not strange to make comparisons to other games, especially T&L, which is now the rage in the competition. It just feels too much like an underlying message to me that you should quit ESO and come to T&L. It is too blatantly obvious. I am one of the critics of ZoS performance issues.
nobody said this and nobody wants you or anyone else to quit eso and play another game. We want Zos to take an example of positive aspects other games have and improve.
A good start would be to fix population, to come back to the topic..
No one will make clear stupid inducements. If you do, you will be banned from the Forum. I don't know how to quote you, but in your first post you posted that guild members were going to T&L, right? You can be led to that even if you did not intend it. Currently this thread has several posts mentioning T&L. I am one of those who, like you, love ESO and want to see the population revived.
Yes i wrote people from my guild went to T&L and im playing it too, because on PS EU its dead.
But i can promise you i would instantly come back if population was fixed.
We are literally just waiting for it but in the current state most of us are fed up and play something else.
This has nothing to do with trying to convince others to anything, its just speaking frustration out of me.
I think I got sidetracked, spoke my true feelings, and said many rude things. I am sorry.PC/NA
My native language is not English, so please forgive me if there are any odd expressions.
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✭✭KromedeTheCorrupt wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »
Sadly this has been the case for years like if people played eso like they say they do the viewers on YouTubers and twitch streamers would be A LOT higher.
Most people who play ESO skew a bit older and the common comment is 'ew why would i watch someone else play the game' LOL. I think ESO's top demographic just isn't into watching Twitch. Even in the glory days of ESO streaming, peak viewers was usually in the 3-5K count.3 -
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✭Sitting in this forum repeatedly touting t&l seems odd to me.
When people are trying to bash a great game, of course I’m going to speak up if I’m having fun playing it. 😂
Would love to play ESO, but the Devs seem dead set on none of us actually being able to play it. We can’t get through a trial without a third of our group DC’ing, and everyone wiping due to lag spikes.Edited by Theist_VII on 9 October 2024 14:019 -
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✭✭✭✭✭KromedeTheCorrupt wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »
Sadly this has been the case for years like if people played eso like they say they do the viewers on YouTubers and twitch streamers would be A LOT higher.
Most people who play ESO skew a bit older and the common comment is 'ew why would i watch someone else play the game' LOL. I think ESO's top demographic just isn't into watching Twitch. Even in the glory days of ESO streaming, peak viewers was usually in the 3-5K count.
Truth. I'm not in the "top demographic" (which might be 40's?), but I won't touch twitch or you tube for anything at all, and as far as watching someone play a game I play myself? Why would I do that? I don't care how others play, means absolutely nothing to me.
I don't watch ESO's streams either.______________________________________________________
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✭KromedeTheCorrupt wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »
Sadly this has been the case for years like if people played eso like they say they do the viewers on YouTubers and twitch streamers would be A LOT higher.
Most people who play ESO skew a bit older and the common comment is 'ew why would i watch someone else play the game' LOL. I think ESO's top demographic just isn't into watching Twitch. Even in the glory days of ESO streaming, peak viewers was usually in the 3-5K count.
Truth. I'm not in the "top demographic" (which might be 40's?), but I won't touch twitch or you tube for anything at all, and as far as watching someone play a game I play myself? Why would I do that? I don't care how others play, means absolutely nothing to me.
I don't watch ESO's streams either.
Agree, I haven’t been interested in watching streams for ESO since SypherPK, and even then, it was more so clips from his streams on YouTube.
That was peak entertainment. lol
For streaming, most people aren’t interested in open-ended PvE games, nor do they like watching streamers in ball groups just terrorizing Cyrodiil.
People like watching an underdog, someone who is clearly playing at a disadvantage, that can do amazing things.
When ZOS killed off 1vX, most people just lost interest completely, and who can blame them?Edited by Theist_VII on 9 October 2024 14:150 -
MISTFORMBZZZ✭✭✭✭✭KromedeTheCorrupt wrote: »MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »
Sadly this has been the case for years like if people played eso like they say they do the viewers on YouTubers and twitch streamers would be A LOT higher.
Most people who play ESO skew a bit older and the common comment is 'ew why would i watch someone else play the game' LOL. I think ESO's top demographic just isn't into watching Twitch. Even in the glory days of ESO streaming, peak viewers was usually in the 3-5K count.
Truth. I'm not in the "top demographic" (which might be 40's?), but I won't touch twitch or you tube for anything at all, and as far as watching someone play a game I play myself? Why would I do that? I don't care how others play, means absolutely nothing to me.
I don't watch ESO's streams either.
But the community who does that exists.
They are just not into eso clearlyEdited by MISTFORMBZZZ on 9 October 2024 14:300 -
MISTFORMBZZZ✭✭✭✭✭As i said im logging in daily checking the game.
I used to love the time when i could come home after school and now work and could play pvp or do some chilled pve things.
This here is 16:20 pm eu time
My pvp guild since 2019
My pve / social guilds
Group finder empty aswell
So yeah i have nothing to do here right now so im gonna switch game.
Guess im not alone with that.
Has nothing to do with eso bashing, THIS is just frustration.
I want to play this but there is no population and nothing to do for me.
((Still gonna check later because i love the game unfortunatily
))
EDIT:
just have been on my lvl 11 NA account.
They are like 6 hours behind in the time and have bars up in cyrodiil and the one guild im in has like 70 people online...
I can only repeat, why cant zos URGENTLY work on crossplay betwen the consoles so there is one megaserver wich is always busy?!Edited by MISTFORMBZZZ on 9 October 2024 14:316 -
Jaraal✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MISTFORMBZZZ wrote: »nobody said this and nobody wants you or anyone else to quit eso and play another game. We want Zos to take an example of positive aspects other games have and improve.
Yeah I think the point is not to push people to other games, but to illustrate that other games can/will do the things ZOS can't/wont.
I haven't played *the other game*, but if people are saying that they can see hundreds of other players on the screen with no performance issues, then it makes you wonder (even more) why ZOS is limiting players to 60-80 per faction in a huge zone like Cyrodiil.... and why they won't explain why they are doing so, or why they haven't fixed this issue and others (like stuck in combat) for years.
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✭✭✭✭✭Most people who play ESO skew a bit older and the common comment is 'ew why would i watch someone else play the game' LOL. I think ESO's top demographic just isn't into watching Twitch. Even in the glory days of ESO streaming, peak viewers was usually in the 3-5K count.
I don't think it's "eww..." it's just not seeing a point in it, finding it boring or maybe not even having the time for that (that's the main reason, really, if I only have 2 or 3 hours of spare time an evening, I'd rather use the time to play the game myself). And I don't think it's neccessarily an age thing either.@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
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Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
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✭People who forgot school started in September: "The game is dying, the game is dying! Nobody is logging in during the day, nobody is on during the week right after school gets out, they couldn't possibly have homework."1 -
ZOS_KevinCommunity ManagerHi all, just wanted to follow up here with a quick acknowledgement. We have seen this thread and have passed it on to ZOS leadership. The conversation for the most part has been a good one about things you would like to see, even in comparison to other games currently on the market or soon to be on the market. Our goal is always to provide a fun and engaging experience for you and your friends/family.
We are working on a few things right now, but we're too early in the process to chat about any of it yet. But that also means we're early enough to see how we can incorporate some of your feedback. So please continue to share positive elements you would like to see in ESO or what you have seen in other games that entice you & your friends/family to further engage with that game.Community Manager for ZeniMax Online Studio and Elder Scrolls OnlineDev Tracker | Service Alerts | ESO Twitter26 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Subjectively (and I can only make a subjective guess as I have no access to complete, official stats), I have the feeling that there is a decline. I see less people around in the field I participate in this game, I have seen a lot of people from my friends list leaving, but most of all, content reductions caught my eye. Still, I don't think this game is dying. That's overdramatic (but some people seem to love that). And while the game is not dead or dying yet, I think a point is reached where ZOS should reconsider their course, as complaints are increasing. Which in the end could lead to people losing interest or patience and leaving if they see that nothing changes for the better within the next 1, 2 or 3 years.
Edit as I just see the last post: Showing interest in our criticism and suggestions is very much appreciated, thanks.alternatelder wrote: »People who forgot school started in September: "The game is dying, the game is dying! Nobody is logging in during the day, nobody is on during the week right after school gets out, they couldn't possibly have homework."
I don't think this has a big impact. I mean, what percentage of ESO players still goes to school? Isn't this game 18+ in most countries?
Edited by Syldras on 9 October 2024 18:34@Syldras | PC | EU
The forceful expression of will gives true honor to the Ancestors.
Sarayn Andrethi, Telvanni mage (Main)
Darvasa Andrethi, his "I'm NOT a Necromancer!" sister
Malacar Sunavarlas, Altmer Ayleid vampire8 -
MISTFORMBZZZ✭✭✭✭✭Hi all, just wanted to follow up here with a quick acknowledgement. We have seen this thread and have passed it on to ZOS leadership. The conversation for the most part has been a good one about things you would like to see, even in comparison to other games currently on the market or soon to be on the market. Our goal is always to provide a fun and engaging experience for you and your friends/family.
We are working on a few things right now, but we're too early in the process to chat about any of it yet. But that also means we're early enough to see how we can incorporate some of your feedback. So please continue to share positive elements you would like to see in ESO or what you have seen in other games that entice you & your friends/family to further engage with that game.
As the topic creater im glad to see yous are seeing it and i hope you are able to provide us more informations about this soon.
These are current screenshots from PS EU at 8.40 pm PRIME TIME
while PS NA already has more bars then us while being 6h behind on our time.
Please bring cross play betwen consoles, other sucessful games (like the current played throne and liberty) are really well able to do this too.
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✭✭✭✭✭One thing that's frustrating about this game is the lack of work in the UI. Just even basic things like scrolling through my collectibles feels like a chore. I almost don't even want to earn or buy anything anymore because of how much a hassle such a basic function of the game is. There's over a thousand recipes and I'm supposed to have to look through them all to find one that I haven't learned every single time.
And then there's the performance issues. Skills not firing off and the line.
And finally, and I know there's a whole other thread on it but I need to touch on it briefly. The storyline is not engaging because there's not enough challenge. Why can't we have a difficulty slider similar to LOTRO. It does NOT separate players.Edited by spartaxoxo on 9 October 2024 18:4711 -
NotNi.ya✭✭✭Hi all, just wanted to follow up here with a quick acknowledgement. We have seen this thread and have passed it on to ZOS leadership. The conversation for the most part has been a good one about things you would like to see, even in comparison to other games currently on the market or soon to be on the market. Our goal is always to provide a fun and engaging experience for you and your friends/family.
We are working on a few things right now, but we're too early in the process to chat about any of it yet. But that also means we're early enough to see how we can incorporate some of your feedback. So please continue to share positive elements you would like to see in ESO or what you have seen in other games that entice you & your friends/family to further engage with that game.
W post!!
The one major thing that will help alot of people come back/play more is performance. every time i lag or DC while im in a trial it just makes me want to log out and not log in for a good while.
other things like siege being used on 1 person, instead of people fighting, groups will drop meatbags, cold fires and lightning ballista's on 1 person making solo pvp impossible and not fun at all.
small things like guild tabards not being able to be hidden instead of having a badge or arm band, maybe a icon on the name plate would be nice.
i could go on for hours about tiny things i would change but most of it would be personal things that i can change with addons
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✭JiubLeRepenti wrote: »
Some people refuse to acknowledge this and continue to cope with the current state of the game.StackonClown wrote: »You all know ESO will end one day right?
Its a dying star which will go super nova we will all log in for the final farewell party
We're not asking ZOS to make ESO eternal; we simply want them to do their best to stop the decline and retain players before it's too late. Yet, we see no response from them. The content remains the same year after year. Just compare what we received in 2017 to what we have in 2024.
In 2017, we had:- A new class
- An incredible feature (housing)
- A new PvP feature (Battlegrounds)
- An amazing chapter zone
- An new zone with extension
- A top-tier chapter trial
- A second trial through extension
- A new feature (transmutation)
- And more.
In 2024, we haven't received even half of that. The reason is clear: ZOS is focusing on their next MMO at the expense of ESO, which is what many people are criticizing.
World of Warcraft proves that an MMO can remain vibrant and appealing even 20 years post-launch, but that requires significant investment in both time and money for new quality content, solid features, server improvements, graphics updates, etc.—rather than just feeding the Crown store.
Another point: I speak French, and between 2017 and 2021, we had substantial sponsored content in ESO featuring top-tier YouTubers and streamers who created sponsored videos for the game, attracting players from France, Belgium, Switzerland, etc. This included creators with millions of subscribers, like Bob Lennon and Krayn. Now, that has stopped. With the closure of the Bethesda France branch, we no longer see any marketing aimed at French-speaking communities. It’s worth noting that there are over 300 million French speakers worldwide.
And here's a divisive thought: I believe that many people—especially on this forum—share some responsibility for the current situation. When someone points out that the game is at serious risk of fading away, we often hear the same individuals respond with, "Nah, the game isn’t dying," "Nah, the devs can’t do more; they’re doing a good job," "Nah, the game is still amazing," "Nah, everything's fine," or "Nah, I love the latest content."
I just feel like this forum is a nutshell of what's currently happening with Ubisoft and the 'toxic positivity' reported within their development team. You can’t express any complaints or reveal the true situation because they don’t want to hear it.
One thing is 100% sure: I won't spend a minute on ZOS new MMO when I see how ESO was maintained for several years.
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Just want to highlight this post for better visibility, as it echoes my feedback pretty well.
When you compare the content cadence from 2017 to 2024, it’s a very depressing sight.
Most people have spent thousands of USD on this game and entire months of their life playing it, which is why we are so passionate about wanting it to succeed. For many of us, this was our first major MMO, and to this day it still has the best Action Combat out of any other one I’ve played.
And on a personal note; please for the love of the divines, rework Beacon of Oblivion into a set for pet builds and Sun Shield into a skill worth slotting.Edited by Theist_VII on 9 October 2024 18:551 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Hi all, just wanted to follow up here with a quick acknowledgement. We have seen this thread and have passed it on to ZOS leadership. The conversation for the most part has been a good one about things you would like to see, even in comparison to other games currently on the market or soon to be on the market. Our goal is always to provide a fun and engaging experience for you and your friends/family.
We are working on a few things right now, but we're too early in the process to chat about any of it yet. But that also means we're early enough to see how we can incorporate some of your feedback. So please continue to share positive elements you would like to see in ESO or what you have seen in other games that entice you & your friends/family to further engage with that game.
W post!!
The one major thing that will help alot of people come back/play more is performance. every time i lag or DC while im in a trial it just makes me want to log out and not log in for a good while.
other things like siege being used on 1 person, instead of people fighting, groups will drop meatbags, cold fires and lightning ballista's on 1 person making solo pvp impossible and not fun at all.
small things like guild tabards not being able to be hidden instead of having a badge or arm band, maybe a icon on the name plate would be nice.
i could go on for hours about tiny things i would change but most of it would be personal things that i can change with addons
a lot of the reason people use siege on 1 person is because that 1 person is nearly impossible to kill in normal foot combat for average players
not a lot of players like chasing 1 person around a resource tower for 30-60 minutes
i personally wont do that, if someone runs into a resource tower, ill just set up siege to force them out or support allies running in, but i wont chase
i know im more likely to die in an open field, but i rather die in an open field with no LOS cheese than just run around a resource tower for an hour earning very little AP
the only real way to kill anyone in pvp in todays game is overwhelming force (either outnumbering and/or siege), most 1v1s end in stalemates or last far longer than necessary even when using sub-par buildsplays PC/NA
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active player since april 2014
i have my main house (grand topal hideaway) listed in the housing tours, it has multiple target dummies, scribing altar, and grandmaster stations (in progress being filled out), as well as almost every antiquity furnishing on display to preview them
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✭✭Hi all, just wanted to follow up here with a quick acknowledgement. We have seen this thread and have passed it on to ZOS leadership. The conversation for the most part has been a good one about things you would like to see, even in comparison to other games currently on the market or soon to be on the market. Our goal is always to provide a fun and engaging experience for you and your friends/family.
We are working on a few things right now, but we're too early in the process to chat about any of it yet. But that also means we're early enough to see how we can incorporate some of your feedback. So please continue to share positive elements you would like to see in ESO or what you have seen in other games that entice you & your friends/family to further engage with that game.
Absolutely awesome post! Thanks for this and the communication!
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✭✭✭✭✭From the similar thread which is now closed:wazzz56 wrote:Empty guilds and discords are way more indicative of the population health than relying on how full an instanced location is IMHO....100 players over 10 instances a town seems empty, 100 players over 2 instances and the town seems full (they are completely arbitrary numbers btw).Guilds that used to have 100's of people on at a time having just a few dozen on tells a truer story to me. I have been playing on PS NA since just about launch, spent probably waaay too much time on pvp land and fishing, GM'd a decent pvp guild for years and now ESO is a ghost town for me. Various reasons have contributed to this over the years but this is as bad as any "dead time" I have experienced in the game.
Yeah this to me is the biggest indicator of the slow decline. I'm in some capital city trader guilds, and the guild roster "who's online" numbers have declined in prime time, the number of pages of listings has shrunk, and once thriving guild chats are now virtually silent. I can literally play for hours (and all my guilds have ~500 members) without seeing any guild chat banter. People are logging in to do dailies, and then logging out. Group finder, which covers all instances, is relatively dead. And there is usually no queue for Gray Host during the week any more.TheMajority wrote: »Warhawke_80 wrote: »The PVP game just doesn't offer Zenimax any return...so don't look for them to put a lot of time or money into it...
Have you even been to Cyrodiil? You will find a higher percentage of radiant mounts, arms packs, polymorphs, and whatnot there than anywhere else in the game. And PvPers have some of the best, most expensively decorated houses you will find.
ZOS absolutely IS hurting themselves by neglecting PvPers. There would be so many more players if they raised the population caps. And more players if there weren't so many crashes, lags, and stuck in combat type bugs. That's 100% on them. So if the PvP community isn't bringing in enough money to satisfy ZOS' bottom line, well, that's not on us.
its the truth, PVP players want to be noticed on the battlefield
had the good fortune to meet and befriend another forum member in Cyro who PVP's and they have some of the fanciest houses I ever saw. millions in gold and hundreds of dollars spent, looks fantastic, and lots of PVP furnishing on display. they are currently helping me learn the ropes so I can get some of the furnishings, dyes and titles too
which is why pvp player deserve better cosmetic rewards because they're very hard working towards such displayes of their prowess in pvp
We have been asking for better PvP rewards (mounts, houses, polymorphs, etc) for years, and all we get are bound style pages and face markings that literally nobody uses. I've got hundreds of millions of AP in the bank that I can't spend on anything other than the thousands of Deadly Strike, Dawn Prisms, and Militant Ordinator motifs that are already listed (at a loss) on guild traders. Why not make things available that would actually motivate people to to PvP.... especially in Cyrodiil? Make some cool furnishings (besides siege weapon replicas that nobody puts in their houses) and furnishing mats that are AP exclusive (and sellable). Make more tradable style pages we can sell. Make the tel var apothecary parcels AP purchasable. Make tri-pots available with PvP currency, etc.
So many possible ways to encourage PvP. I hated it at first, but was determined to get the Legate's Black dye, and found out along the way how much fun it can be.... so I stayed, and play in Cyro every day now. (Don't care for Battlegrounds, personally.) Make more good rewards! Or is the goal to actually minimize interest in the seemingly unfixable Cyrodiil? I've never seen any statements from ZOS indicating that they have plans to expand and refine the Cyrodiil experience. Is it being written off as a lost cause? A little more communication about the Cyrodiil roadmap would go a long way.
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MudcrabAttack✭✭✭✭✭I really used to log in every single day for a couple hours, there was so much keeping my interest between PVE DPS roles in dungeons and trials, world story, and roleplay guilds.
My interest even jumped between the last 1-3 years ago as I gradually got through some trial trifecta achievements (on a stamina nightblade) and reached the latest hard mode trials. It felt good to see hard work paying off.
Now it just feels like there are fewer choices since everyone is jumping on Arcanist for everything, and some are logging back into their super Dragonknight DPS, which feels like what you’d see right before Arcanist came out. I turned my whole Arcanist play style into the laziest possible build with the fewest possible actions per minute (I intentionally only land one light attack every 10seconds now) and it blows my nightblade out of the water, which is kind of sad.
When I played nightblade I would swap between sets and skills in the middle of a run to get the most out of the build, it felt like a little theory crafting could go a long way. Lately I’ve been getting messages asking to conform to a certain Arcanist build to push the dps higher, and I realized I really was past the point of even caring. I’ve been leaving just one set of equipment on my character and one set of skills for several months, getting hard mode clears and working on trifectas in my sleep.
The arcanist beam build feels so incredibly stale lately, and there’s just no reason to drop it due to the massive gap in performance compared to what I used to do. I finally just dropped trials altogether, and only log in once or twice a week for RP with friends on my nightbladeEdited by MudcrabAttack on 9 October 2024 22:225 -
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✭Hi all, just wanted to follow up here with a quick acknowledgement. We have seen this thread and have passed it on to ZOS leadership. The conversation for the most part has been a good one about things you would like to see, even in comparison to other games currently on the market or soon to be on the market. Our goal is always to provide a fun and engaging experience for you and your friends/family.
We are working on a few things right now, but we're too early in the process to chat about any of it yet. But that also means we're early enough to see how we can incorporate some of your feedback. So please continue to share positive elements you would like to see in ESO or what you have seen in other games that entice you & your friends/family to further engage with that game.
Ok, here's the thing. At least for me it is. Right now I feel like I am at that point where I might be lost to the game as a customer. I haven't 'quit' so much as I've been slowly drifting away from the game. Stopped subbing. Couldn't bring myself to buy the latest chapter even on a 50% discount.
I've been asking myself why now and I think it was the release of battlegrounds as a new PVP update. I think at that point I really lost hope that any existing content will receive substantial refactors. Beyond quality of life updates and endless tinkering with skills and sets, improving existing content and systems just isn't happening. I want to see a functioning Cyrodiil and a less brain-dead overland experience but I see now there is really no reason to think that will ever happen.Please stop making requests for game features. ZOS have enough bad ideas as it is!13 -
alternatelder✭✭✭✭✭
✭Subjectively (and I can only make a subjective guess as I have no access to complete, official stats), I have the feeling that there is a decline. I see less people around in the field I participate in this game, I have seen a lot of people from my friends list leaving, but most of all, content reductions caught my eye. Still, I don't think this game is dying. That's overdramatic (but some people seem to love that). And while the game is not dead or dying yet, I think a point is reached where ZOS should reconsider their course, as complaints are increasing. Which in the end could lead to people losing interest or patience and leaving if they see that nothing changes for the better within the next 1, 2 or 3 years.
Edit as I just see the last post: Showing interest in our criticism and suggestions is very much appreciated, thanks.alternatelder wrote: »People who forgot school started in September: "The game is dying, the game is dying! Nobody is logging in during the day, nobody is on during the week right after school gets out, they couldn't possibly have homework."
I don't think this has a big impact. I mean, what percentage of ESO players still goes to school? Isn't this game 18+ in most countries?
It actually has a huge impact on the population, it drops all the time when school starts. Pretty sure it's 13+ anyway.0 -
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✭✭alternatelder wrote: »Subjectively (and I can only make a subjective guess as I have no access to complete, official stats), I have the feeling that there is a decline. I see less people around in the field I participate in this game, I have seen a lot of people from my friends list leaving, but most of all, content reductions caught my eye. Still, I don't think this game is dying. That's overdramatic (but some people seem to love that). And while the game is not dead or dying yet, I think a point is reached where ZOS should reconsider their course, as complaints are increasing. Which in the end could lead to people losing interest or patience and leaving if they see that nothing changes for the better within the next 1, 2 or 3 years.
Edit as I just see the last post: Showing interest in our criticism and suggestions is very much appreciated, thanks.alternatelder wrote: »People who forgot school started in September: "The game is dying, the game is dying! Nobody is logging in during the day, nobody is on during the week right after school gets out, they couldn't possibly have homework."
I don't think this has a big impact. I mean, what percentage of ESO players still goes to school? Isn't this game 18+ in most countries?
It actually has a huge impact on the population, it drops all the time when school starts. Pretty sure it's 13+ anyway.
It's 18+ but there's a lot of both younger than that and also university students.1 -
MISTFORMBZZZ✭✭✭✭✭alternatelder wrote: »Subjectively (and I can only make a subjective guess as I have no access to complete, official stats), I have the feeling that there is a decline. I see less people around in the field I participate in this game, I have seen a lot of people from my friends list leaving, but most of all, content reductions caught my eye. Still, I don't think this game is dying. That's overdramatic (but some people seem to love that). And while the game is not dead or dying yet, I think a point is reached where ZOS should reconsider their course, as complaints are increasing. Which in the end could lead to people losing interest or patience and leaving if they see that nothing changes for the better within the next 1, 2 or 3 years.
Edit as I just see the last post: Showing interest in our criticism and suggestions is very much appreciated, thanks.alternatelder wrote: »People who forgot school started in September: "The game is dying, the game is dying! Nobody is logging in during the day, nobody is on during the week right after school gets out, they couldn't possibly have homework."
I don't think this has a big impact. I mean, what percentage of ESO players still goes to school? Isn't this game 18+ in most countries?
It actually has a huge impact on the population, it drops all the time when school starts. Pretty sure it's 13+ anyway.
Its 18 plus and i dont think at all it makes a difference and after 18 pages of people describing their experiences just saying its because of School time as if 90% of the playerbase are children, well this is odd lol5 -
MISTFORMBZZZ✭✭✭✭✭Hi all, just wanted to follow up here with a quick acknowledgement. We have seen this thread and have passed it on to ZOS leadership. The conversation for the most part has been a good one about things you would like to see, even in comparison to other games currently on the market or soon to be on the market. Our goal is always to provide a fun and engaging experience for you and your friends/family.
We are working on a few things right now, but we're too early in the process to chat about any of it yet. But that also means we're early enough to see how we can incorporate some of your feedback. So please continue to share positive elements you would like to see in ESO or what you have seen in other games that entice you & your friends/family to further engage with that game.
I also want to add something to this.
Its understandable good things take a while and yous want and have to to do it propper for a working and function product.
But this escalating thread (escalating meaned in a way the numbers interested readers and comments) and also the other appearing threads by different persons make clear and is represenring how important this topic is at the moment for your community.
So with all respect, please prioritise our concerns and i hope its not a long way again taking a year or longer, like the new server hardware.
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✭✭✭✭✭I don't think this has a big impact. I mean, what percentage of ESO players still goes to school? Isn't this game 18+ in most countries?
School and college does not impact just the people in the family that go to school or college.2 -
manukartofanu✭✭✭✭alternatelder wrote: »People who forgot school started in September: "The game is dying, the game is dying! Nobody is logging in during the day, nobody is on during the week right after school gets out, they couldn't possibly have homework."
What I like even more is how people explain the drop in activity during summer by saying everyone is on vacation, and in September by saying school has started. Maybe make up your mind already – is ESO played by adults who go on vacation or by school kids who are back to school?9
