How's no one talking about this yet?

BisDasBlutGefriert

It's just a video of a guy hovering way above some wayshrines literally shooting missiles down at the players below in a relentless bombardment. Which explode like mortars when they hit the ground killing whoever is caught in them.

People around the wayshrines try firing magic and arrows back at the guy, but they seem to hit short every time.

In zone chat, he's talking about zos's Customer service. And that's pretty much the extent of both videos.

Like he's trying to prove a point on how the Customer service here is almost non-existent.

I've had quite a few posts removed and some lovely emails sent to me, but all of my support tickets have been resolved within 48hrs. 🤷🏼‍♂️

furiouslog

BisDasBlutGefriert wrote: »

It's just a video of a guy hovering way above some wayshrines literally shooting missiles down at the players below in a relentless bombardment. Which explode like mortars when they hit the ground killing whoever is caught in them.

People around the wayshrines try firing magic and arrows back at the guy, but they seem to hit short every time.

In zone chat, he's talking about zos's Customer service. And that's pretty much the extent of both videos.

Like he's trying to prove a point on how the Customer service here is almost non-existent.

I've had quite a few posts removed and some lovely emails sent to me, but all of my support tickets have been resolved within 48hrs. 🤷🏼‍♂️

I think the issue motivating these actions is that bots and scripts that use exploits in the game used for cheating go unaddressed for long periods of time and are not publicly acknowledged - we can submit tickets for cheating, botting, etc, but the amount of time it takes to fill those holes is probably not acceptable to this person. Or maybe they had a crown store problem, or a billing problem, or they are just sick of poor game performance, and this is revenge intended to embarrass ZOS.

Whoever authored this exploit took the time to fill out some amusing graphical detail and a user-friendly interface. Quality product, honestly.

driosketch

If you want to see what a hacker exploiting missle attacks on a wayshine in eso looks like, but the video link was removed, just hit up YouTube, put in the right keywords in search, and sort results for today.

BisDasBlutGefriert

furiouslog wrote: »

I think the issue motivating these actions is that bots and scripts that use exploits in the game used for cheating go unaddressed for long periods of time and are not publicly acknowledged - we can submit tickets for cheating, botting, etc, but the amount of time it takes to fill those holes is probably not acceptable to this person. Or maybe they had a crown store problem, or a billing problem, or they are just sick of poor game performance, and this is revenge intended to embarrass ZOS.

Whoever authored this exploit took the time to fill out some amusing graphical detail and a user-friendly interface. Quality product, honestly.

Ah yup, that sounds correct. Excellent point!!!

radiostar

could try googling the title and viewing google's cache of the page

Ilsabet

GenjiraX wrote: »

I’ve had numerous instances of chests and resources being used by someone else when there’s no one around. I know it’s relatively trivial but I don’t understand it so I wondered if it was connected?

@GenjiraX I suspect this has to do with zone instancing. If the chest or node exists in all instances, and someone in one instance uses it, then it may disappear (or say it's being used) in all other instances.

I don't know for sure that chests and nodes are shared between instances, but it would be a logical explanation.

Either way, I doubt it's connected to the kind of blatant exploits we're seeing here.

TineaCruris

BohnT2 wrote: »

If you've played on Pc Eu you probably heard about the guy who's casually taking down players in cities with rapid firing missiles on them while flying through the sky, who's randomly referring to a current post on the forums about customer support.

Here's some videos that show him cheating, they weren't done by me so I take no credit for them

[snip]

@ZOS_GinaBruno you might want to look at this

[Edited to remove Naming and Shaming]

How can we talk about it when we have no idea what you are talking about because a moderator removed the video from your post.

So now what we supposed to do?

..scrub, scrub, scrub the forums, it's the magic bubbles!

BigBragg

Elsonso wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

To do it openly and blatantly like that is either to get attention for themselves or to bring attention to the existence of such things in the game. Imagine the shenanigans people get up to when they try to keep things hidden.

If you read zone chat, it was more of a statement about ZOS and cheating, I guess.

ZOS will ban the guy in the video, probably give a strike to the OP, and call it a day. Beer o' clock!

(not necessarily in that order)

Yeah, couldn't read it. Was watching it on my tablet. Thing is, I still doubt that was the guys first use of third party software.

doomette

TequilaFire wrote: »

I know it is wrong, but blowing up Vulkhel Guard would be so much fun!

Riften for me, that wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Not that I’m advocating for that sort of thing or anything. Just, you know, I’d chuckle a little bit

Tammany

Noo1 would blame this guy if he shot khajits only.
Could have cheated with a style dammit

Guthix_of_the_Green

On YT : "Hacker Scrolls Online"

IT literally reminded me of the tree scene from the avatar movie with the missiles in elden root. The arrows shooting in the sky was super cute !

Miraslova

This isn't a simple cheat, script or bot, this "hacker" circumvented ZoS code which is crap in the first place.
In order for the game not to be hacked again ZoS would have to reencode the whole game code. Am I the only one that sees this?

JamieAubrey

Awesome

BigBragg

Miraslova wrote: »

This isn't a simple cheat, script or bot, this "hacker" circumvented ZoS code which is crap in the first place.
In order for the game not to be hacked again ZoS would have to reencode the whole game code. Am I the only one that sees this?

I kind of assumed it was back to the old CE tricks that have never truly gone away.

biovitalb16_ESO

Would have loved to see the video but I guess they need to protect the identity of cheaters lol.

CrazYDunm3r

I can link the video of the individual himself in PM, just send me a message if interested

SeaGtGruff

I haven't seen the video, but back when there was talk about a "flying cheat" being used to harass RP groups, the person who did it claimed it wasn't a cheat.

Then there was the video of the guy who found a way to go offmap in Western Skyrim, found a duplicate of Solitude, and was up on top of a wall shooting down at people.

I'm wondering if this might be something similar-- find a way to go offmap, find a path that lets you walk out above a town on an "invisible walkway," and shoot down at people?

Even if that's something that can be done within the game without using a hack, IMO it would still qualify as an exploit.

Plus, there's the question of how this person was able to use an attack associated with a trial or dungeon boss.

BigBragg

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I haven't seen the video, but back when there was talk about a "flying cheat" being used to harass RP groups, the person who did it claimed it wasn't a cheat.

Then there was the video of the guy who found a way to go offmap in Western Skyrim, found a duplicate of Solitude, and was up on top of a wall shooting down at people.

I'm wondering if this might be something similar-- find a way to go offmap, find a path that lets you walk out above a town on an "invisible walkway," and shoot down at people?

Even if that's something that can be done within the game without using a hack, IMO it would still qualify as an exploit.

Plus, there's the question of how this person was able to use an attack associated with a trial or dungeon boss.

No this guy was using an attack ability that only one Trial boss has access to. Most definitely a cheat.

SeaGtGruff

BigBragg wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I haven't seen the video, but back when there was talk about a "flying cheat" being used to harass RP groups, the person who did it claimed it wasn't a cheat.

Then there was the video of the guy who found a way to go offmap in Western Skyrim, found a duplicate of Solitude, and was up on top of a wall shooting down at people.

I'm wondering if this might be something similar-- find a way to go offmap, find a path that lets you walk out above a town on an "invisible walkway," and shoot down at people?

Even if that's something that can be done within the game without using a hack, IMO it would still qualify as an exploit.

Plus, there's the question of how this person was able to use an attack associated with a trial or dungeon boss.

No this guy was using an attack ability that only one Trial boss has access to. Most definitely a cheat.

And hence the last line of my post, which I had thought clearly implied that some kind of cheat or hack must have been used for that part at least. I guess that wasn't clear, so I'm clarifying now.

Also, I've now seen the video, which presumably shows an overlay from the cheat program on the guy's screen.

BigBragg

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I haven't seen the video, but back when there was talk about a "flying cheat" being used to harass RP groups, the person who did it claimed it wasn't a cheat.

Then there was the video of the guy who found a way to go offmap in Western Skyrim, found a duplicate of Solitude, and was up on top of a wall shooting down at people.

I'm wondering if this might be something similar-- find a way to go offmap, find a path that lets you walk out above a town on an "invisible walkway," and shoot down at people?

Even if that's something that can be done within the game without using a hack, IMO it would still qualify as an exploit.

Plus, there's the question of how this person was able to use an attack associated with a trial or dungeon boss.

No this guy was using an attack ability that only one Trial boss has access to. Most definitely a cheat.

And hence the last line of my post, which I had thought clearly implied that some kind of cheat or hack must have been used for that part at least. I guess that wasn't clear, so I'm clarifying now.

Also, I've now seen the video, which presumably shows an overlay from the cheat program on the guy's screen.

The video is from an observes perspective. What you are seeing is just whatever UI mod they are running.

SeaGtGruff

Are you sure about that? The video I saw looked like it was at least partly from the attacker's view, and the way it consisted of several short scenes cut together made it look like a product advertisement, not to mention that the UI that I was referring to appeared to have a name that was unflattering of ZOS, and the option fields looked like they might be referring to hacks.

ArchMikem

This wouldn't happen if we had actual Game Masters to nip it in the butt after the first couple call outs in chat.

BigBragg

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Are you sure about that? The video I saw looked like it was at least partly from the attacker's view, and the way it consisted of several short scenes cut together made it look like a product advertisement, not to mention that the UI that I was referring to appeared to have a name that was unflattering of ZOS, and the option fields looked like they might be referring to hacks.

Sounds like we saw different videos.

Elsonso

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Are you sure about that? The video I saw looked like it was at least partly from the attacker's view, and the way it consisted of several short scenes cut together made it look like a product advertisement, not to mention that the UI that I was referring to appeared to have a name that was unflattering of ZOS, and the option fields looked like they might be referring to hacks.

I have not seen that one. The one I saw at the top of this thread and was from a player/observer perspective.

Aznarb

Tammany wrote: »

gatekeeper13 wrote: »

To do it openly and blatantly like that is either to get attention for themselves or to bring attention to the existence of such things in the game.

Any player who at least once stepped into pvp knows this game has cheaters.
But when you try to drag an attention to this issue, there is a swarm of tryharders messaging you "nono youy are just anoob, , you don't know mechanics, l2p git gut kek".
Later you link them a video with a guy walljumping Cyrodill keep and killing people out of invisibility unable to be caught yet get response "sorry its 2019 year give fresh proof or gtfo".

And look, here is a 1 day old video of a guy blantantly winpocket editing trial bosses abilities.
The fact we have a proof is just because this guy is willingly doing so to be recorded.
But answeer the question to yourself - if this game allows player to fly around and shoot boss spells, how many hidden cheaters there around who are using 3d party software not so blantantly ? For passives ? For small but cruical boosts ? For range checks ? For teleports ? Gold gains ?

Nothing here is funny or hilarious, this is plain sad.

What cheater on this game ? No way !
Ahaha, I agree with you, they're lot of them in PvP. Like 2 day ago, going back to cyro to unlock the 3 points left for map completion, get kill a bunch of time in few hit, normal, was in pve gear, no problem and then, come that guy, jumping and intant-killing me, look at the report : 12 hit, less than 1 second.
Yup, 100% legit

But their is for sur the same kind of macro cheat in PvE, especially in HL success completion.
People who thing cheat isn't possible are idiot, plain and simple, their is not even 1 online game w/o cheater and it will be like this forever. It will always be a smart guys finding his way through the protection system.

FafiQ_xP

Send me the video to PM. Thanks.

Ackwalan

ArchMikem wrote: »

This wouldn't happen if we had actual Game Masters to nip it in the butt after the first couple call outs in chat.

Sorry, had to be done.

Major_Lag

BigBragg wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I haven't seen the video, but back when there was talk about a "flying cheat" being used to harass RP groups, the person who did it claimed it wasn't a cheat.

Then there was the video of the guy who found a way to go offmap in Western Skyrim, found a duplicate of Solitude, and was up on top of a wall shooting down at people.

I'm wondering if this might be something similar-- find a way to go offmap, find a path that lets you walk out above a town on an "invisible walkway," and shoot down at people?

Even if that's something that can be done within the game without using a hack, IMO it would still qualify as an exploit.

Plus, there's the question of how this person was able to use an attack associated with a trial or dungeon boss.

No this guy was using an attack ability that only one Trial boss has access to. Most definitely a cheat.

That just goes to show how "effective" the server-side sanity checks are. Assuming that there are any...

Earlier this year there was the vSO poison incident in Craglorn. Which was probably also the result of similar cheating, but at least in that case it could be potentially explained by a bug in the game causing the effect to remain on a player who has left the trial (abruptly disconnected, for example).

However, in this case there can be exactly 0 doubt - the hacker was obviously using a boss ability never meant to be accessible to player characters.

And FWIW, all it would have taken to stop that kind of cheating dead in its tracks would be to give each ability a flag like "bIsUsableByPlayers" and enforce a server-side check on that.

Pinja

Major_Lag wrote: »

BigBragg wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

I haven't seen the video, but back when there was talk about a "flying cheat" being used to harass RP groups, the person who did it claimed it wasn't a cheat.

Then there was the video of the guy who found a way to go offmap in Western Skyrim, found a duplicate of Solitude, and was up on top of a wall shooting down at people.

I'm wondering if this might be something similar-- find a way to go offmap, find a path that lets you walk out above a town on an "invisible walkway," and shoot down at people?

Even if that's something that can be done within the game without using a hack, IMO it would still qualify as an exploit.

Plus, there's the question of how this person was able to use an attack associated with a trial or dungeon boss.

No this guy was using an attack ability that only one Trial boss has access to. Most definitely a cheat.

That just goes to show how "effective" the server-side sanity checks are. Assuming that there are any...

Earlier this year there was the vSO poison incident in Craglorn. Which was probably also the result of similar cheating, but at least in that case it could be potentially explained by a bug in the game causing the effect to remain on a player who has left the trial (abruptly disconnected, for example).

However, in this case there can be exactly 0 doubt - the hacker was obviously using a boss ability never meant to be accessible to player characters.

And FWIW, all it would have taken to stop that kind of cheating dead in its tracks would be to give each ability a flag like "bIsUsableByPlayers" and enforce a server-side check on that.

From what I see it's just stuff they didn't think of, not necessarily a bypass. In the video I saw the guy wasn't walking around super speed.
As you say though they may need to add a new parameter to every ability in the game as to who can use what but, there are a lot of abilities and I can see plenty of mistakes being made. Not to mention you'd still have a mod that could access every player alloted skill in the game.

Those trial abilities though:
Apparently automatically hit any player, regardless of combat status.
Don't have a server capped projectile speed.
And as above don't have caster restrictions, such a sustain.

I wonder if this guy could use a bosses summoning ability and pertinently occupy the Dominion with Daedra, until they reset the servers.
He may get himself killed in the process, but it'd be a glorious day for the Covenant.

SeaGtGruff

BigBragg wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Are you sure about that? The video I saw looked like it was at least partly from the attacker's view, and the way it consisted of several short scenes cut together made it look like a product advertisement, not to mention that the UI that I was referring to appeared to have a name that was unflattering of ZOS, and the option fields looked like they might be referring to hacks.

Sounds like we saw different videos.

Elsonso wrote: »

SeaGtGruff wrote: »

Are you sure about that? The video I saw looked like it was at least partly from the attacker's view, and the way it consisted of several short scenes cut together made it look like a product advertisement, not to mention that the UI that I was referring to appeared to have a name that was unflattering of ZOS, and the option fields looked like they might be referring to hacks.

I have not seen that one. The one I saw at the top of this thread and was from a player/observer perspective.

That could be. I wouldn't know, because I didn't see the posted link before it got removed. The one I saw was 54 seconds long, and was made up of a bunch of short cuts from different videos, with at least one scene from Elden Root. I don't remember any scenes being recognizable as Vulkhel Guard, and it's pretty hard to mistake Elden Root as anything but Elden Root.