Incapacitating Strike Silence 5.0.3

jlb1705

This is awesome because after three weeks of reading "the nightblade nerfs are actually buffs" people are so mad they're giving up the charade.

Minno

Wolf_Watching wrote: »

Finally a real counter to shields in pvp.

your fear/ambush not working? lol

Sanguinor2

therift wrote: »

Looks like the 'Separate PvP and PvE' crowd is finally getting their way, but not in the manner they advocated.

Magicka builds for PvE
Stamina builds for PvP.

I guess that's, um, separated and balanced.

Not really tho since stam is also better in PvE, unless you are playing a mini Trial where mag is easier. In all other Trials stam is stronger with more single target and aoe dps, I guess its actually:

Magicka builds as Banking alts.
Stam for everything else.

seanj87

Aliyavana wrote: »

Cortimi wrote: »

I REALLY hope this is a real thing, so I can watch all the magsorcs have a complete and total meltdown over finally being killable.

Sorry, but sounds like a l2p issue

Yes and while magsorcs are killable now, every other mag class pays the price

Ariades_swe

Tommy_The_Gun wrote: »

Well....

lets honour this ultimate with 3 seconds of silence....

Jokes aside - 3 seconds is almost like nothing. You wont even notice that since, you will be able to move, roll dodge or cast stamina skills. Even if you will be stunned from stealth by this Ultimate, after immediately breaking free, you will have like 1 - 1,5 seconds of silence left. LAG sometimes is longer than that. Especially if you PvP on EU server...

Being objective here, this ultimate does imho too little to justify 120 ulti cost. Sure, you can cast it on lower ulti points but then it will do almost nothing. I can't see myself using that skill. In fact I dont since Summerset, because Dawnbreaker is much better option. And lets not forget - it is a single target only. Technically it should be compared more to Berserker Strike (Two-Handed ulti) rather than Dawnbreaker since this is also single target ulti.

Besides, since global cooldown is a thing, what a NB is supposed to do within those 3 seconds ? 1 light attack + skill ?


Imho will simply be a dead morph and pretty much every one, whenever stam or mag nb will run Soul Harvest (if they will run this ulti at all).

We found the local village idiot guys.

CatchMeTrolling

Can someone test it and see if it’s only a magicka silence or both magicka and stam ?

seanj87

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Can someone test it and see if it’s only a magicka silence or both magicka and stam ?

even if its both, it doesnt matter, stam can dodge roll way more, tanks can ride it out, but mag classes are just screwed

SubtleHate

this is one of the worst balance ideas I have ever seen or heard. This is one of the biggest tone deaf changes I've seen. Possibly the worst change I have ever seen from Zenimax since I have played. Please just no.

olsborg

🤯

Revokus

The bias for stam against magicka is insane in this game lol.

therift

Sanguinor2 wrote: »

therift wrote: »

Looks like the 'Separate PvP and PvE' crowd is finally getting their way, but not in the manner they advocated.

Magicka builds for PvE
Stamina builds for PvP.

I guess that's, um, separated and balanced.

Not really tho since stam is also better in PvE, unless you are playing a mini Trial where mag is easier. In all other Trials stam is stronger with more single target and aoe dps, I guess its actually:

Magicka builds as Banking alts.
Stam for everything else.

+1 for hypering my hyperbole, because I agree.

olesmo

How many IQ points do these ppl letting these changes go trough have, this is some next level *** ***.
And I thought I had seen it all when it came to horrible changes from this company.
You can't implement changes like this that give no room for counterplay... Well you did tho.. Reroll everything to stamina -.-

FIX
YOUR
***

getemshauna

This can't go live. No counterplay as magicka character.

CatchMeTrolling

seanj87 wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Can someone test it and see if it’s only a magicka silence or both magicka and stam ?

even if its both, it doesnt matter, stam can dodge roll way more, tanks can ride it out, but mag classes are just screwed

Simply dodge rolling will not save you , I know because of the numerous times I have to do that because my skills aren’t firing off. You’ll just burn your resources and plus you’re fighting the class with the most broken cc in the game to make matters worse.

Regardless, it should be tested.

Surak73

Oh well: if this goes live, in Cyro there will be 95% stam chars, so new incap will be essentially useless...

Razier

MaxJrFTW wrote: »

Razier wrote: »

This change is absolutely ridiculous and unfounded. They're nerfing the F out of incap, AFTER nerfing the rest of the class. Absolutely absurd and a disgrace. Instead of slowly implementing small nerfs and slowly seeing the change ZoS wants to NB they're going above and beyond to gut the class of it's stand out notoriety and absolutely shafting stamblade PvP. Just another absolutely disgusting decision by ZoS which is KILLING their PvP scene. I'm appalled and disgusted in their decision making. If these changes go through I'll be cancelling my ESO Plus. Thank god I haven't bought Elswyer yet.

Sarcasm?

Small bit. Still very upset about the change. Just being over dramatic.

MartiniDaniels

Logic of this change is eluding to me. There is stamblade which is OP on live and there is magblade which almost nobody plays (in PVP). What ZOS should do??? Nerf magblade to the ground and buff stamblade. I mean, really? What's the point to run magblade now at all?

Darlon

Hmm, April fools was more than a month ago right ???

jaws343

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

seanj87 wrote: »

CatchMeTrolling wrote: »

Can someone test it and see if it’s only a magicka silence or both magicka and stam ?

even if its both, it doesnt matter, stam can dodge roll way more, tanks can ride it out, but mag classes are just screwed

Simply dodge rolling will not save you , I know because of the numerous times I have to do that because my skills aren’t firing off. You’ll just burn your resources and plus you’re fighting the class with the most broken cc in the game to make matters worse.

Regardless, it should be tested.

Not to mention, the changes to fear mean you will be cowering in place.

Ariades_swe

One incap and any class will be facked if they're more than 2 attackers.
They need to make it cc breakable.

Xvorg

Really? People defending this overbuff?

I hope they also increase the cost. 120 ulti for silence is too cheap

WrathOfInnos

Sustain is always welcome in PVE, but 3s of silence is going to feel horrible on the receiving end in PVP. May as well just make a skill that causes a 3000 ms ping spike for your opponent.

_Ahala_

Broken

kookster

If the silence is not breakable this is seriously beyond broken. I feel for those who play magicka characters.....

Diundriel

Looking Forward for my stamblade all These hate whispers
actually we should be surprised that this new Change does require any dlc^^

Ulfgarde

Removes/softens skills/mechanics of PvP that made combat feel like rock, paper, scissors (wings, snares/immobilizes)

Adds an element that would contribute to this idea we just worked towards getting rid of.

just buffing incap at this point lmfao

Hexys

This topic has more views then the actual patch notes now lol

ssewallb14_ESO

Brokenly OP against magicka (way too disabling for way too long), worst ability in the game in terms of bypassing counterplay, single-handedly offsets magicka/stamina balance in one skill..

ZOS I thought we were done making changes like this? You guys were doing so good this patch up until now.

Brrrofski

It will still be super strong against Stam characters. No major or minor mending on DKs or Stamplars, no cleanse on Stamplars, no streak/dark deal on sorc, no cloak on nightblade.

Utterly ridiculous change to the skill. It's way way more powerful than before (if you used incap for the stun you were paying stamblade wrong anyway). The single most stupid change I've ever seen ZOS do.

While we're at it, fix Templar rune so the Stam one works in negate!!!

wheem_ESO

While almost all of my PvP is done in Battlegrounds, I was in Cyrodiil a few days ago on my Magicka Warden, partnered up with a buddy on his Magicka DK alt. At one point we ended up 2v2 against a Stamblade + Magblade duo, who were coordinating Ults and CCs. Had this version of Incap been available to them, we would have lost the engagement pretty much immediately, and there would have been no counters. They were both focusing my Magicka Warden the entire time, and Fear -> Incap#1 -> Incap#2 -> Fear would have been a 100% free win for them (not that I would have lived long enough for that second fear to be necessary).

This change is completely absurd, especially since the silence doesn't really do anything to Stamina builds.