Dissapointed That Nocturnal Looks Like a Budget Cosplayer

Faulgor

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Look at Nocturnal, the main antagonist of the summerset chapter


Now look at Mephala, she slays nocturnal completely.


And Clavicus Vile


And finally Hircine

All outshine nocturnal who has a simple bathing robe.

Are we gonna have a dev comment on this?

Clavicus wasnt too bad but I feel like hes right there with Nocturnal in that both of them dont have unique Models. It really annoys me that theyre taking the lazy approach to these characters that have such important roles not only in this story but their part in the lore and history of Elder Scrolls. Clavicus has what looks to be the Covenant War-Locks, the Elder Council Tunic and Sash, Male Bosmer body and his basic minion skaafin horns. Granted Clavicus is always portrayed as a small male. It just seems odd that they didnt attempt to give him something more unique and noteworthy.

As you say, Clavicus is always depicted like this, they did a very faithful job with him. What makes him stand out is Barbas, who was also great. They could have given him his masque, but I don't think they needed to.

Hircine seems a bit odd to me, though. He's too fat/muscular compared to his previous agile representations, and the deer head is usually only a skull. But at least he did get a special look, unlike Nocturnal.

Ashtaris

We understand what Gina is saying, and I will say that overall Summerset is great, but it’s not perfect. The devs need to know if something is wrong with what they are doing, and the Nocturnal character graphics was poorly done. It’s too late to change it, but at least they will know next time that if you are going to portray a Daedric entity, and the main character in the storyline, you had better do it right.

Aliyavana

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

The one time I decide to come back to the forums, I am now reminded why I left.....I'm just gonna leave this here...

https://twitter.com/GinaLBruno/status/1003970460743294976

Listen, we are not telling the devs that they should feel bad because they made one mistake out of many good deeds...many of us are also passionate about the game and want to see eso in the best shape as possible. Nocturnal was presented as the main villain of the story and I want to hear if they plan to update nocturnal or not. I am sure they had to meet deadlines meet and just because it released like this state doesn't mean that they cant go back and fix it, its an mmo and they can go and backtrack and update models just like they did in the past.

AefionBloodclaw

I honestly do not believe whoever did the terrible quality Nocturnal design put their heart into it. Who would put their heart into it, with that model? Personally I feel like ESO is a great game due to the art team and writers but I would rather have had Summerset pushed back a couple months in order to get a decent quality villain done for the chapter. That said, I think we as a player base, deserve a little acknowledgement, like even just something confirming that they didn't have time or budget or something and that they plan to go back and update Nocturnal at a later stage.

logarifmik

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

The one time I decide to come back to the forums, I am now reminded why I left.....I'm just gonna leave this here...

https://twitter.com/GinaLBruno/status/1003970460743294976

Should I feel ashamed?

TelvanniWizard

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

The one time I decide to come back to the forums, I am now reminded why I left.....I'm just gonna leave this here...

https://twitter.com/GinaLBruno/status/1003970460743294976

If they don´t meet our expectations... It´s their deal if they can´t stand criticism. On the other hand, that tweet is so lame and prude...

srfrogg23

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

The one time I decide to come back to the forums, I am now reminded why I left.....I'm just gonna leave this here...

https://twitter.com/GinaLBruno/status/1003970460743294976

I can’t help but think you took that post out of context. I sincerely doubt that they poured their heart and soul into putting a costume on a generic character model for the main antagonist. That was more of a “let’s get this done quickly” decision.

Tan9oSuccka

Meh. It could use some work, but not Andromeda bad.

Im more concerned with the seizure inducing frame rates/lag and cyrodiil load screens (in combat).

SilverIce58

Tan9oSuccka wrote: »

Meh. It could use some work, but not Andromeda bad.

Im more concerned with the seizure inducing frame rates/lag and cyrodiil load screens (in combat).

Lmao its definitely not andromeda bad. I doubt anything could be that bad.

Aebaradath

Aliyavana wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Look at Nocturnal, the main antagonist of the summerset chapter


Now look at Mephala, she slays nocturnal completely.


And Clavicus Vile


And finally Hircine

All outshine nocturnal who has a simple bathing robe.

Are we gonna have a dev comment on this?

Clavicus wasnt too bad but I feel like hes right there with Nocturnal in that both of them dont have unique Models. It really annoys me that theyre taking the lazy approach to these characters that have such important roles not only in this story but their part in the lore and history of Elder Scrolls. Clavicus has what looks to be the Covenant War-Locks, the Elder Council Tunic and Sash, Male Bosmer body and his basic minion skaafin horns. Granted Clavicus is always portrayed as a small male. It just seems odd that they didnt attempt to give him something more unique and noteworthy.

Clavicus was pretty good imo, but not excellent

Clavicus looks like a drunkard sent by Sanguine with ice cream cones glued to his head.

A_Silverius

At the moment I think a quick fix for this is to replace her current model with one of the shrikes. Please Zos They look better than the nocturnal we have atm which looks just like another player character.

I'm not sure what she's trying to do here because of that poker face.

Aliyavana

A_Silverius wrote: »

At the moment I think a quick fix for this is to replace her current model with one of the shrikes. Please Zos They look better than the nocturnal we have atm which looks just like another player character.

I'm not sure what she's trying to do here because of that poker face.

A reskin of this would be sufficient

Menelaos

Yes, words can hurt. But that is only one side of the coin as we can clearly see on nine pages of criticism that also design decisions (or the lack thereof) can hurt. ZOS should take this very, very seriously as we are not talking about a minor sidekick NPC here but about the rewarding closure of a major plot that spanned multiple DLCs.

ZOS may feel deeply insulted by the remarks but

A_Silverius

I'm not sure what she's trying to do here because of that poker face.

Menelaos wrote: »

Yes, words can hurt. But that is only one side of the coin as we can clearly see on nine pages of criticism that also design decisions (or the lack thereof) can hurt. ZOS should take this very, very seriously as we are not talking about a minor sidekick NPC here but about the rewarding closure of a major plot that spanned multiple DLCs.

ZOS may feel deeply insulted by the remarks but

Can't see the picture.

AhPook_Is_Here

She kinda looks like the exec from westworld... Tessa Thompson

A_Silverius

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

She kinda looks like the exec from westworld... Tessa Thompson

Argh a living bobblehead!

Darkmage1337

Necrus011 wrote: »

I agree the Nocturnal's appearance was pretty bad, but even worse, her role didn't make much sense or mesh with established lore.

If anything, Mephala should have been the one who betrayed the triad, given she is associated with murder, betrayal, and fate.

Moreover, the whole primordial darkness/preceding the creation of oblivion angle didn't previously apply to Nocturnal. That is Namira's domain.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Namira

Granted, Nocturnal is the Daedric Prince of night and shadow, but she has always been more associated with thieves and luck rather than inter-planar domination.

Nocturnal's characterization and appearance leave much to be desired. I am not sure why ZOS has decided to give her the traits of already established Princes. It is almost like they had plenty of crow, swamp, ghost, and wisp assets and didn't want to develop something more unique that would fit a more appropriate choice of Daedric Prince.

I totally agree. I've been avoiding this thread until I had completed the Summerset main story; and, I honestly thought Mephala would be the one to betray The Triad and become the main villain. Mephala is the web-spinner and betrayer, after all. The Summerset story would have been better if Nocturnal and Mephala's roles were simply swapped/reversed, in my opinion. ESPECIALLY since Mephala is probably one of the most evil-looking characters I've ever seen. And, Nocturnal, is, well, as everyone else said -- plain, and boring. Noctunal looked cooler in Skyrim, and probably any other TES in-game source material.

Just imagine if it had been Mephala's projection and her 8-legs creeping over you on the Crystal Tower, instead of Nocturnal and her .. fisticuffs? *Sigh* What a major disappointment, I'll try to not let it get to me.

I also thought it was really funny that Clavius Vile slaughtered his own cultists after Nocturnal's betrayal, lmao. I'd only expect that behavior from Boethiah/Sheogorath/Mehrunes Dagon/Molag Bal/Mephala.

I wonder what Mephala and Sotha Sil's "private meeting/conversation" was about. This probably won't be the last we see of Mephala. Just a hunch.

Lyserus

I wonder if we can get a model change for Nocturnal when the "official release" come out?

logarifmik

Lyserus wrote: »

I wonder if we can get a model change for Nocturnal when the "official release" come out?

Wasn't Summerset officially released already?

Seraphayel

logarifmik wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

I wonder if we can get a model change for Nocturnal when the "official release" come out?

Wasn't Summerset officially released already?

It was, two weeks ago.

Man I just did the quest today. How can you make a Daedric Prince so ugly? Not that she's looking like an ugly Redguard, she's wearing a cheap-ass robe on top of that.

Aliyavana

Seraphayel wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

I wonder if we can get a model change for Nocturnal when the "official release" come out?

Wasn't Summerset officially released already?

It was, two weeks ago.

Man I just did the quest today. How can you make a Daedric Prince so ugly? Not that she's looking like an ugly Redguard, she's wearing a cheap-ass robe on top of that.

she should have atleast looked like a beautiful redgaurd

logarifmik

Aliyavana wrote: »

Seraphayel wrote: »

logarifmik wrote: »

Lyserus wrote: »

I wonder if we can get a model change for Nocturnal when the "official release" come out?

Wasn't Summerset officially released already?

It was, two weeks ago.

Man I just did the quest today. How can you make a Daedric Prince so ugly? Not that she's looking like an ugly Redguard, she's wearing a cheap-ass robe on top of that.

she should have atleast looked like a beautiful redgaurd

Preferably with long black hair. But nevetheless I fail to see why she should appear as a black women. I don't have nothing against black people, but it looks almost like a black Achilles to me.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

Aliyavana wrote: »

she should have atleast looked like a beautiful redgaurd

I dunno, she could have looked remote and untouchable and that would have been cool too IMO. Or if they were going to make her ugly, make it obvious they were doing it deliberately like the Hagravens. But as-is the Daedric Prince of Pixelation just looks kind of dumpy and unintimidating.

Fata1moose

AhPook_Is_Here wrote: »

She kinda looks like the exec from westworld... Tessa Thompson

If Nocturnal looked like Tessa Thompson people wouldn't be complaining.

The model did stick out like a sore thumb in this scene so I hope they improve it. Vile wasn't very good either. It's readily apparent all work went into Mephala who looks great.

A_Silverius

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

But as-is the Daedric Prince of Pixelation just looks kind of dumpy and unintimidating.

Mannix1958

Aliyavana wrote: »

Thealteregoroman wrote: »

The one time I decide to come back to the forums, I am now reminded why I left.....I'm just gonna leave this here...

https://twitter.com/GinaLBruno/status/1003970460743294976

Listen, we are not telling the devs that they should feel bad because they made one mistake out of many good deeds...many of us are also passionate about the game and want to see eso in the best shape as possible. Nocturnal was presented as the main villain of the story and I want to hear if they plan to update nocturnal or not. I am sure they had to meet deadlines meet and just because it released like this state doesn't mean that they cant go back and fix it, its an mmo and they can go and backtrack and update models just like they did in the past.

Told ya you were beating a dead horse....

Sasyk

I was kinda hoping nocturnal would look like a dark silhouette that's never really in focus.

Esha76

I find myself wondering… Have ZOS overburdened themselves with their goals of yearly content releases?

For example, just looking at the random wildlife in Summerset… Things like welwas and fellrunners. Obviously pulled right from Craglorn. Though, the lore guy was on ESO Live and stated that welwas apparently originated in Summerset and were removed due to ferocity and just plain being uncivilized… Whether that’s true official Tamrielic history, or just the writing they came up with to shorten development time, who knows or cares.

The point is, there is only so much developers can produce in “X” amount of time. And with the likes of 2 dungeon DLCs, a QoL update, a story DLC, and a chapter being pumped out each year… Can devs and the art team reasonably be expected to create so many unique aspects in all this content in such a specific amount of time?

I am still disappointed to see they cut corners with the main antagonist appearance, yet they certainly found time to make a gorgeous Nocturnal statue for the RNG crates….

TL/DR: I’m not trying to make a back-handed point. I am sincerely asking if all this content each year is a reasonable expectation, and goal, for a top-quality video game?

Korah_Eaglecry

Faulgor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Look at Nocturnal, the main antagonist of the summerset chapter


Now look at Mephala, she slays nocturnal completely.


And Clavicus Vile


And finally Hircine

All outshine nocturnal who has a simple bathing robe.

Are we gonna have a dev comment on this?

Clavicus wasnt too bad but I feel like hes right there with Nocturnal in that both of them dont have unique Models. It really annoys me that theyre taking the lazy approach to these characters that have such important roles not only in this story but their part in the lore and history of Elder Scrolls. Clavicus has what looks to be the Covenant War-Locks, the Elder Council Tunic and Sash, Male Bosmer body and his basic minion skaafin horns. Granted Clavicus is always portrayed as a small male. It just seems odd that they didnt attempt to give him something more unique and noteworthy.

As you say, Clavicus is always depicted like this, they did a very faithful job with him. What makes him stand out is Barbas, who was also great. They could have given him his masque, but I don't think they needed to.

Hircine seems a bit odd to me, though. He's too fat/muscular compared to his previous agile representations, and the deer head is usually only a skull. But at least he did get a special look, unlike Nocturnal.

My point was actually that they didnt do a faithful job. Hes a generic model. Uses the same horns as his minions and uses Crown Store costumes/hair. The only thing they got right was his stature in which they simply used a Bosmer model for.

He only gets away with it because Nocturnals appearance is far worse thanks to it coming across as a partial rendering.

Aliyavana

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Faulgor wrote: »

Korah_Eaglecry wrote: »

Aliyavana wrote: »

Look at Nocturnal, the main antagonist of the summerset chapter


Now look at Mephala, she slays nocturnal completely.


And Clavicus Vile


And finally Hircine

All outshine nocturnal who has a simple bathing robe.

Are we gonna have a dev comment on this?

Clavicus wasnt too bad but I feel like hes right there with Nocturnal in that both of them dont have unique Models. It really annoys me that theyre taking the lazy approach to these characters that have such important roles not only in this story but their part in the lore and history of Elder Scrolls. Clavicus has what looks to be the Covenant War-Locks, the Elder Council Tunic and Sash, Male Bosmer body and his basic minion skaafin horns. Granted Clavicus is always portrayed as a small male. It just seems odd that they didnt attempt to give him something more unique and noteworthy.

As you say, Clavicus is always depicted like this, they did a very faithful job with him. What makes him stand out is Barbas, who was also great. They could have given him his masque, but I don't think they needed to.

Hircine seems a bit odd to me, though. He's too fat/muscular compared to his previous agile representations, and the deer head is usually only a skull. But at least he did get a special look, unlike Nocturnal.

My point was actually that they didnt do a faithful job. Hes a generic model. Uses the same horns as his minions and uses Crown Store costumes/hair. The only thing they got right was his stature in which they simply used a Bosmer model for.

He only gets away with it because Nocturnals appearance is far worse thanks to it coming across as a partial rendering.

or maybe his minions look like him? :P