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The needed changes for stam Nightblades to make them viable again.
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Izaki✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭IzakiBrotherSs wrote: »
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Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭So what i keep hearing repeatedly is "Stamblades are weak because they are. Please buff." with no ryme or reason.
CP dmg and sustain are out of control. Why run med/light if sustain isnt an issue for heavy. And before you trip on heavy armor, its only 1 nerf from useless. At least med/light give better offensive abilities out of proportions to heavys defensive capabilities.
Stamblades have better abilities then most classes. Most are swiss army abilities with 3+ effects. Best spamable dps. Best CC. Second best regen passive. If you think you're weak its probably because you took your build from a 1vXer and try to use it in group or cant support that kind of build due to lack of skill.
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KingJ✭✭✭✭✭
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Like I said am sorry you need proc sets to kill players, good players don't need them this is why we shouldn't balance the game around bad players like yourself.Proc sets like selene and Veli still deals more damage the people regular attacks if you call that balanced kid you need help.This goes to show you don't know what your talking about their no build stamplar, Stamdk,Stam sorc where running a proc set will gimp your build.It adds coordinated and high burst to your DPS for example with selene every 4 seconds.Most people selene procs hit harder than their Surprise attacks lol.Selene on a stamplar and Viper POL light attack viper jab selene proc hit POL cap just about instant death.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
That does not change my original point that NB compared to every other stam class is weaker and have a disadvantage compared to that class.If the only way for stamnb to be viable is to run cheese that show you their not in a good place.
Its why a stamblade haven't won a dueling tournament since the change to cloak,wait now your going to say the game isn't balanced for 1v1. That's where you see how class compare to other so its a prefect testing grounds for balancing a class.
Dude fr you need to learn how to play the game and get good kid its sad that you need your armor to do damage for you learn how to actually play the game you might be decent one day.When that day comes than you can talk about stamblades or NB in general.3 -
Nellzer✭✭✭
Like I said am sorry you need proc sets to kill players, good players don't need them this is why we shouldn't balance the game around bad players like yourself.Proc sets like selene and Veli still deals more damage the people regular attacks if you call that balanced kid you need help.This goes to show you don't know what your talking about their no build stamplar, Stamdk,Stam sorc where running a proc set will gimp your build.It adds coordinated and high burst to your DPS for example with selene every 4 seconds.Most people selene procs hit harder than their Surprise attacks lol.Selene on a stamplar and Viper POL light attack viper jab selene proc hit POL cap just about instant death.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
That does not change my original point that NB compared to every other stam class is weaker and have a disadvantage compared to that class.If the only way for stamnb to be viable is to run cheese that show you their not in a good place.
Its why a stamblade haven't won a dueling tournament since the change to cloak,wait now your going to say the game isn't balanced for 1v1. That's where you see how class compare to other so its a prefect testing grounds for balancing a class.
Dude fr you need to learn how to play the game and get good kid its sad that you need your armor to do damage for you learn how to actually play the game you might be decent one day.When that day comes than you can talk about stamblades or NB in general.
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✭So what i keep hearing repeatedly is "Stamblades are weak because they are. Please buff." with no ryme or reason.
CP dmg and sustain are out of control. Why run med/light if sustain isnt an issue for heavy. And before you trip on heavy armor, its only 1 nerf from useless. At least med/light give better offensive abilities out of proportions to heavys defensive capabilities.
Stamblades have better abilities then most classes. Most are swiss army abilities with 3+ effects. Best spamable dps. Best CC. Second best regen passive. If you think you're weak its probably because you took your build from a 1vXer and try to use it in group or cant support that kind of build due to lack of skill.
Well I don't think nightblades are weak they are still very playable they have just fell behind the other classes. It's still a good class it's just worse than the other 3. I think the main problem nightblades have right now is The other classes have great burst and great survivability. While nightblades only have great burst because they have weak heals and cloak has so many counters. I think what would help alot is if heavy armor received a Nerf and cloak got the purge back. gankers would still use the other morph so it doesn't really help gankers at all. It's no reason why something like a stam dk can have 30k resistance major mending and 4k weapon damage. If I can one shot a player with any class while also having great heals what's the point of playing nightblade.1 -
Nellzer✭✭✭thankyourat wrote: »So what i keep hearing repeatedly is "Stamblades are weak because they are. Please buff." with no ryme or reason.
CP dmg and sustain are out of control. Why run med/light if sustain isnt an issue for heavy. And before you trip on heavy armor, its only 1 nerf from useless. At least med/light give better offensive abilities out of proportions to heavys defensive capabilities.
Stamblades have better abilities then most classes. Most are swiss army abilities with 3+ effects. Best spamable dps. Best CC. Second best regen passive. If you think you're weak its probably because you took your build from a 1vXer and try to use it in group or cant support that kind of build due to lack of skill.
Well I don't think nightblades are weak they are still very playable they have just fell behind the other classes. It's still a good class it's just worse than the other 3. I think the main problem nightblades have right now is The other classes have great burst and great survivability. While nightblades only have great burst because they have weak heals and cloak has so many counters. I think what would help alot is if heavy armor received a Nerf and cloak got the purge back. gankers would still use the other morph so it doesn't really help gankers at all. It's no reason why something like a stam dk can have 30k resistance major mending and 4k weapon damage. If I can one shot a player with any class while also having great heals what's the point of playing nightblade.
I don't think nerfing heavy is the answer, rather medium needing a buff.2 -
Killset✭✭✭✭I just want some sort of major mending. I would trade cloak for it in a minute. The nerf to vitality pots devastated non gank nightblades in open world. Other classes are not affected by it that much. I feel like that nerf alone was aimed directly at the class.
Kill, the other morph of soul tether provides major mending and a burst heal. Nobody ever uses this morph and I am baffled why, especially on a stam build NB.
I know it does, and I do use it occasionally. But depending on an ultimate for healing at the expense of a damaging ultimate starts you down the road to losing fights. You end up saving your ultimate for a catch and missing opportunities to burst. At least in my opinion.
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Killset✭✭✭✭Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
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Nellzer✭✭✭Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.Edited by Nellzer on 16 March 2017 05:330 -
BohnT✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
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Ragnaroek93✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
Stamblade is amazing in 1v1, no idea what you are talking about.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread.
Also not true. @Chair and @glavius are really good on stamblade (I know from fighting against them) and both disagree with you. I also don't want that my main class gets OP as *** just because some people here demand overbuffs for a class which is already very strong.Edited by Ragnaroek93 on 16 March 2017 10:37I used to think that PvP was a tragedy, but now I realize, it's a comedy.0 -
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Wow you really don't know what your talking about its laughable how clueless you are.Go back to running your proc sets to get kills you pleb.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
Also with Bloodspawn your not having Dawnbreaker up every 15 seconds on a StamDK even with mountain blessing which occurs every 6 seconds.You would have 6 additional ultimate in that time frame.So with Blood spawn and blessing you would only have gain 36 ultimate for a dawnbreaker every 15 seconds. Every 30 seconds maybe but not every 15.During that 15 seconds I could proc a 7k Selene 3 times.Only time you could have Dawnbreaker up is if you run S&B and tavas but you would only run that in a 1v1 which you stated doesn't matter. So please tell my why run a non damage set over a proc set again?Why wouldn't a 6-7k attack that doesn't cost resources on heavy armor targets every 4 seconds complete with blood spawn?
The fact of the matter is right now any player who is doing well in medium will perform better with a heavy set. Heavy is just that good you can tank more damage have better sustain and hit just as hard. Its a sad state when heavy is just arguable better. Personally I still run medium because because I like a challenge. Same reason why I won't run proc sets the game easy enough no reason to make it easier.0 -
Nellzer✭✭✭Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
PvP raid???? So you're a zergling, got it, you just lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
And again, 1v1 means jack. MSorcs counter stamblades by design. Let me introduce your msorc friend to my stamDK where no matter how much damage he stacks, he won't be able to threaten my life pool in the slightest.0 -
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✭Hey @Ragnaroek93 I agree NB are good in 1v1 but a equally skilled Stamsorc, StamDk,stamplar will beat a equally skilled Stamnb in a 1v1 easy.Well not easy but that NB has to work way harder than that DK or sorc. Magsorc depends if they are running mines if their running mines its pretty much a draw. Even without mines it can be a long drawn out fight.
Yea stamblades are nice but its a reason if their a dueling tournament majority of good NB players will join that tournament on one of their other classes.If not can you tell me the last time a Stamblade won a major dueling tournament on EU or NA.I can't remember the last time a NB stamblade won one on Xbox.2 -
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Wow you really don't know what your talking about its laughable how clueless you are.Go back to running your proc sets to get kills you pleb.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
Also with Bloodspawn your not having Dawnbreaker up every 15 seconds on a StamDK even with mountain blessing which occurs every 6 seconds.You would have 6 additional ultimate in that time frame.So with Blood spawn and blessing you would only have gain 36 ultimate for a dawnbreaker every 15 seconds. Every 30 seconds maybe but not every 15.During that 15 seconds I could proc a 7k Selene 3 times.Only time you could have Dawnbreaker up is if you run S&B and tavas but you would only run that in a 1v1 which you stated doesn't matter. So please tell my why run a non damage set over a proc set again?Why wouldn't a 6-7k attack that doesn't cost resources on heavy armor targets every 4 seconds complete with blood spawn?
The fact of the matter is right now any player who is doing well in medium will perform better with a heavy set. Heavy is just that good you can tank more damage have better sustain and hit just as hard. Its a sad state when heavy is just arguable better. Personally I still run medium because because I like a challenge. Same reason why I won't run proc sets the game easy enough no reason to make it easier.
Not to break up your argument with each other but proc sets seem to be what those Stamplar have been using since the last patch as far as I last checked. I don't think they can fill POTL as well without it.
And as far as the heavy armor meta goes; I feel it is not unbalanced at all. Heavy just works in PVP well. In PVE, the other 2 armors are far better as far as parsing DPS and heals. I am ok with one type of gear working better for different game modes and play style; about the same way I feel about classes excelling at ganking while another excels better at group play.
That said; I do realize the heavy meta has made it more difficult for a ganker and I do think things can be done to offer NBs more than 1 play style option the same way a Templar doesn't have to just heal. I'm more of the mind that needs to happen via magblade and siphon trees more than buffing stamblades.1 -
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I mentioned stamplar in another post in this thread.On a stamplar without Selene or viper I have hit 9k using jabs javelin and crescent sweeps but your right with Selene its easier to hit cap.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about its laughable how clueless you are.Go back to running your proc sets to get kills you pleb.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
Also with Bloodspawn your not having Dawnbreaker up every 15 seconds on a StamDK even with mountain blessing which occurs every 6 seconds.You would have 6 additional ultimate in that time frame.So with Blood spawn and blessing you would only have gain 36 ultimate for a dawnbreaker every 15 seconds. Every 30 seconds maybe but not every 15.During that 15 seconds I could proc a 7k Selene 3 times.Only time you could have Dawnbreaker up is if you run S&B and tavas but you would only run that in a 1v1 which you stated doesn't matter. So please tell my why run a non damage set over a proc set again?Why wouldn't a 6-7k attack that doesn't cost resources on heavy armor targets every 4 seconds complete with blood spawn?
The fact of the matter is right now any player who is doing well in medium will perform better with a heavy set. Heavy is just that good you can tank more damage have better sustain and hit just as hard. Its a sad state when heavy is just arguable better. Personally I still run medium because because I like a challenge. Same reason why I won't run proc sets the game easy enough no reason to make it easier.
Not to break up your argument with each other but proc sets seem to be what those Stamplar have been using since the last patch as far as I last checked. I don't think they can fill POTL as well without it.
And as far as the heavy armor meta goes; I feel it is not unbalanced at all. Heavy just works in PVP well. In PVE, the other 2 armors are far better as far as parsing DPS and heals. I am ok with one type of gear working better for different game modes and play style; about the same way I feel about classes excelling at ganking while another excels better at group play.
That said; I do realize the heavy meta has made it more difficult for a ganker and I do think things can be done to offer NBs more than 1 play style option the same way a Templar doesn't have to just heal. I'm more of the mind that needs to happen via magblade and siphon trees more than buffing stamblades.
My issue with heavy is that it pretty much makes the other 2 armor types useless in PVP for everything but a magsorc.On my stamblade when I switch from Heavy back to medium I gained a bit of crit and 100-200 extra weapon damage from switching. Losing heavy I lost resistances,free regen and I take more damage. Right now heavy is to strong in PvP.I think they need to changes some sets as well because right now some builds are just unkillable.1 -
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✭✭Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
PvP raid???? So you're a zergling, got it, you just lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
And again, 1v1 means jack. MSorcs counter stamblades by design. Let me introduce your msorc friend to my stamDK where no matter how much damage he stacks, he won't be able to threaten my life pool in the slightest.
No I'm no Zergling I don't know where you get that idea from. I play 1vX and small-scale. I have one organised group pvp with 10 ppl max once a week. so I'm no Zergling in any way.
I can introduce this magsorc to any stamdk and he probably wrecks them. I could have mentioned some magdks, some stamdks, magplars and for a lesser extent stamplars who kill any nightblade without any problems.
And tell me if duels are not a good measure and groups are also for scrubs only what is a proper measure for the viability of a class then? Don't come up with 1vX as this is technically 1v1 where you fight one enemy at the time and then fight the next one.
Additionally when the whole class system is based on counters. Which class is countered by stamnb?Edited by BohnT on 16 March 2017 14:213 -
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✭✭✭Hey @Ragnaroek93 I agree NB are good in 1v1 but a equally skilled Stamsorc, StamDk,stamplar will beat a equally skilled Stamnb in a 1v1 easy.Well not easy but that NB has to work way harder than that DK or sorc. Magsorc depends if they are running mines if their running mines its pretty much a draw. Even without mines it can be a long drawn out fight.
Yea stamblades are nice but its a reason if their a dueling tournament majority of good NB players will join that tournament on one of their other classes.If not can you tell me the last time a Stamblade won a major dueling tournament on EU or NA.I can't remember the last time a NB stamblade won one on Xbox.
It's true. Whenever there's a dueling tournament I see a lot of people that main a stamblade bring out their magDK. People like to play the way they want, but when it gets competitive; everyone goes magicka. So much for balance.1 -
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Wow you really don't know what your talking about its laughable how clueless you are.Go back to running your proc sets to get kills you pleb.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
Also with Bloodspawn your not having Dawnbreaker up every 15 seconds on a StamDK even with mountain blessing which occurs every 6 seconds.You would have 6 additional ultimate in that time frame.So with Blood spawn and blessing you would only have gain 36 ultimate for a dawnbreaker every 15 seconds. Every 30 seconds maybe but not every 15.During that 15 seconds I could proc a 7k Selene 3 times.Only time you could have Dawnbreaker up is if you run S&B and tavas but you would only run that in a 1v1 which you stated doesn't matter. So please tell my why run a non damage set over a proc set again?Why wouldn't a 6-7k attack that doesn't cost resources on heavy armor targets every 4 seconds complete with blood spawn?
The fact of the matter is right now any player who is doing well in medium will perform better with a heavy set. Heavy is just that good you can tank more damage have better sustain and hit just as hard. Its a sad state when heavy is just arguable better. Personally I still run medium because because I like a challenge. Same reason why I won't run proc sets the game easy enough no reason to make it easier.
You calling me clueless is so ironic it's hilarious. Go find me one good stamDK that runs Selene's over Bloodspawn, you won't. And no, a stamblade wearing heavy will not have NEARLY the sustain or damage that a medium stamblade has. You're part of the fallacy that all classes should work the same, i.e. Tank damage while dealing it. Stamblades don't tank damage, they avoid it altogether.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
PvP raid???? So you're a zergling, got it, you just lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
And again, 1v1 means jack. MSorcs counter stamblades by design. Let me introduce your msorc friend to my stamDK where no matter how much damage he stacks, he won't be able to threaten my life pool in the slightest.
No I'm no Zergling I don't know where you get that idea from. I play 1vX and small-scale. I have one organised group pvp with 10 ppl max once a week. so I'm no Zergling in any way.
I can introduce this magsorc to any stamdk and he probably wrecks them. I could have mentioned some magdks, some stamdks, magplars and for a lesser extent stamplars who kill any nightblade without any problems.
And tell me if duels are not a good measure and groups are also for scrubs only what is a proper measure for the viability of a class then? Don't come up with 1vX as this is technically 1v1 where you fight one enemy at the time and then fight the next one.
Additionally when the whole class system is based on counters. Which class is countered by stamnb?
Where did I get it from? You literally said when you're joining a PvP RAID. Do you know what a raid is? It's not small group.
I also never said the whole class system is based on counters, I said mSorc counters NB by design, it's easily the hardest 1v1 matchup for a stamblade. Not every class/build is going to be hard countered.
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Wow you really don't know what your talking about its laughable how clueless you are.Go back to running your proc sets to get kills you pleb.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
Also with Bloodspawn your not having Dawnbreaker up every 15 seconds on a StamDK even with mountain blessing which occurs every 6 seconds.You would have 6 additional ultimate in that time frame.So with Blood spawn and blessing you would only have gain 36 ultimate for a dawnbreaker every 15 seconds. Every 30 seconds maybe but not every 15.During that 15 seconds I could proc a 7k Selene 3 times.Only time you could have Dawnbreaker up is if you run S&B and tavas but you would only run that in a 1v1 which you stated doesn't matter. So please tell my why run a non damage set over a proc set again?Why wouldn't a 6-7k attack that doesn't cost resources on heavy armor targets every 4 seconds complete with blood spawn?
The fact of the matter is right now any player who is doing well in medium will perform better with a heavy set. Heavy is just that good you can tank more damage have better sustain and hit just as hard. Its a sad state when heavy is just arguable better. Personally I still run medium because because I like a challenge. Same reason why I won't run proc sets the game easy enough no reason to make it easier.
You calling me clueless is so ironic it's hilarious. Go find me one good stamDK that runs Selene's over Bloodspawn, you won't. And no, a stamblade wearing heavy will not have NEARLY the sustain or damage that a medium stamblade has. You're part of the fallacy that all classes should work the same, i.e. Tank damage while dealing it. Stamblades don't tank damage, they avoid it altogether.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
PvP raid???? So you're a zergling, got it, you just lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
And again, 1v1 means jack. MSorcs counter stamblades by design. Let me introduce your msorc friend to my stamDK where no matter how much damage he stacks, he won't be able to threaten my life pool in the slightest.
No I'm no Zergling I don't know where you get that idea from. I play 1vX and small-scale. I have one organised group pvp with 10 ppl max once a week. so I'm no Zergling in any way.
I can introduce this magsorc to any stamdk and he probably wrecks them. I could have mentioned some magdks, some stamdks, magplars and for a lesser extent stamplars who kill any nightblade without any problems.
And tell me if duels are not a good measure and groups are also for scrubs only what is a proper measure for the viability of a class then? Don't come up with 1vX as this is technically 1v1 where you fight one enemy at the time and then fight the next one.
Additionally when the whole class system is based on counters. Which class is countered by stamnb?
Where did I get it from? You literally said when you're joining a PvP RAID. Do you know what a raid is? It's not small group.
I also never said the whole class system is based on counters, I said mSorc counters NB by design, it's easily the hardest 1v1 matchup for a stamblade. Not every class/build is going to be hard countered.
Oh I'm sorry that you don't know the difference between you as a person and you as someone. I wanted to say that there is like in pve no incentive to choose a stamnb over other specs.
Stamnb is hard countered by magdk, magplar, mag sorc and even magnb has hard counters against the defense of a stamnb making them hard counters in general. Same goes for stam specs, hurricane for stam sorc, jabs for stamplar, superior survivability/ sustain for stamdk.
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✭Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
PvP raid???? So you're a zergling, got it, you just lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
And again, 1v1 means jack. MSorcs counter stamblades by design. Let me introduce your msorc friend to my stamDK where no matter how much damage he stacks, he won't be able to threaten my life pool in the slightest.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about its laughable how clueless you are.Go back to running your proc sets to get kills you pleb.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
Also with Bloodspawn your not having Dawnbreaker up every 15 seconds on a StamDK even with mountain blessing which occurs every 6 seconds.You would have 6 additional ultimate in that time frame.So with Blood spawn and blessing you would only have gain 36 ultimate for a dawnbreaker every 15 seconds. Every 30 seconds maybe but not every 15.During that 15 seconds I could proc a 7k Selene 3 times.Only time you could have Dawnbreaker up is if you run S&B and tavas but you would only run that in a 1v1 which you stated doesn't matter. So please tell my why run a non damage set over a proc set again?Why wouldn't a 6-7k attack that doesn't cost resources on heavy armor targets every 4 seconds complete with blood spawn?
The fact of the matter is right now any player who is doing well in medium will perform better with a heavy set. Heavy is just that good you can tank more damage have better sustain and hit just as hard. Its a sad state when heavy is just arguable better. Personally I still run medium because because I like a challenge. Same reason why I won't run proc sets the game easy enough no reason to make it easier.[/quote]
You calling me clueless is so ironic it's hilarious. Go find me one good stamDK that runs Selene's over Bloodspawn, you won't. And no, a stamblade wearing heavy will not have NEARLY the sustain or damage that a medium stamblade has. You're part of the fallacy that all classes should work the same, i.e. Tank damage while dealing it. Stamblades don't tank damage, they avoid it altogether.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
PvP raid???? So you're a zergling, got it, you just lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
And again, 1v1 means jack. MSorcs counter stamblades by design. Let me introduce your msorc friend to my stamDK where no matter how much damage he stacks, he won't be able to threaten my life pool in the slightest.
No I'm no Zergling I don't know where you get that idea from. I play 1vX and small-scale. I have one organised group pvp with 10 ppl max once a week. so I'm no Zergling in any way.
I can introduce this magsorc to any stamdk and he probably wrecks them. I could have mentioned some magdks, some stamdks, magplars and for a lesser extent stamplars who kill any nightblade without any problems.
And tell me if duels are not a good measure and groups are also for scrubs only what is a proper measure for the viability of a class then? Don't come up with 1vX as this is technically 1v1 where you fight one enemy at the time and then fight the next one.
Additionally when the whole class system is based on counters. Which class is countered by stamnb?
Where did I get it from? You literally said when you're joining a PvP RAID. Do you know what a raid is? It's not small group.
I also never said the whole class system is based on counters, I said mSorc counters NB by design, it's easily the hardest 1v1 matchup for a stamblade. Not every class/build is going to be hard countered.
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Lmao its sad now dude look at what you posted. You said there no damage set that competes with Bloodspawn I explained to you how their are better damage sets that competes with Bloodspawn.A set that deals 7k damage every 4 seconds will beat a Dawnbreaker every 15.Like I told you earlier Good players don't need proc sets to kill but that not what you were talking about. Good players use their skill to kill players unlike yourself you need your armor to deal all your Damage for you.Math its fundamental kid use it.
Actually I never stated a NB should be able to tank damage like a DK or Templar I did say they needed buff to make them competitive for everything beside ganking and using broken sets like yourself.A NB in heavy will have just as good sustain and damage as a stamblade in medium.Better sustain your numbers will be higher but you probably hit each other just as hard and both sides never run out of resources.That NB in heavy gets resources back whenever you hit him from heavy armor passives and whenever he weaves. Heavy is just that good.Edited by KingJ on 16 March 2017 15:200 -
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Same in Xbox most go magica majority of dueling tournaments are magic build. Last tournament we had a Magdk won.Usually its a magsorc but we did a all crafted set tournament.Strider_Roshin wrote: »Hey @Ragnaroek93 I agree NB are good in 1v1 but a equally skilled Stamsorc, StamDk,stamplar will beat a equally skilled Stamnb in a 1v1 easy.Well not easy but that NB has to work way harder than that DK or sorc. Magsorc depends if they are running mines if their running mines its pretty much a draw. Even without mines it can be a long drawn out fight.
Yea stamblades are nice but its a reason if their a dueling tournament majority of good NB players will join that tournament on one of their other classes.If not can you tell me the last time a Stamblade won a major dueling tournament on EU or NA.I can't remember the last time a NB stamblade won one on Xbox.
It's true. Whenever there's a dueling tournament I see a lot of people that main a stamblade bring out their magDK. People like to play the way they want, but when it gets competitive; everyone goes magicka. So much for balance.Edited by KingJ on 16 March 2017 15:250 -
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I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
PvP raid???? So you're a zergling, got it, you just lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
And again, 1v1 means jack. MSorcs counter stamblades by design. Let me introduce your msorc friend to my stamDK where no matter how much damage he stacks, he won't be able to threaten my life pool in the slightest.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about its laughable how clueless you are.Go back to running your proc sets to get kills you pleb.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
Also with Bloodspawn your not having Dawnbreaker up every 15 seconds on a StamDK even with mountain blessing which occurs every 6 seconds.You would have 6 additional ultimate in that time frame.So with Blood spawn and blessing you would only have gain 36 ultimate for a dawnbreaker every 15 seconds. Every 30 seconds maybe but not every 15.During that 15 seconds I could proc a 7k Selene 3 times.Only time you could have Dawnbreaker up is if you run S&B and tavas but you would only run that in a 1v1 which you stated doesn't matter. So please tell my why run a non damage set over a proc set again?Why wouldn't a 6-7k attack that doesn't cost resources on heavy armor targets every 4 seconds complete with blood spawn?
The fact of the matter is right now any player who is doing well in medium will perform better with a heavy set. Heavy is just that good you can tank more damage have better sustain and hit just as hard. Its a sad state when heavy is just arguable better. Personally I still run medium because because I like a challenge. Same reason why I won't run proc sets the game easy enough no reason to make it easier.
You calling me clueless is so ironic it's hilarious. Go find me one good stamDK that runs Selene's over Bloodspawn, you won't. And no, a stamblade wearing heavy will not have NEARLY the sustain or damage that a medium stamblade has. You're part of the fallacy that all classes should work the same, i.e. Tank damage while dealing it. Stamblades don't tank damage, they avoid it altogether.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
PvP raid???? So you're a zergling, got it, you just lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
And again, 1v1 means jack. MSorcs counter stamblades by design. Let me introduce your msorc friend to my stamDK where no matter how much damage he stacks, he won't be able to threaten my life pool in the slightest.
No I'm no Zergling I don't know where you get that idea from. I play 1vX and small-scale. I have one organised group pvp with 10 ppl max once a week. so I'm no Zergling in any way.
I can introduce this magsorc to any stamdk and he probably wrecks them. I could have mentioned some magdks, some stamdks, magplars and for a lesser extent stamplars who kill any nightblade without any problems.
And tell me if duels are not a good measure and groups are also for scrubs only what is a proper measure for the viability of a class then? Don't come up with 1vX as this is technically 1v1 where you fight one enemy at the time and then fight the next one.
Additionally when the whole class system is based on counters. Which class is countered by stamnb?
Where did I get it from? You literally said when you're joining a PvP RAID. Do you know what a raid is? It's not small group.
I also never said the whole class system is based on counters, I said mSorc counters NB by design, it's easily the hardest 1v1 matchup for a stamblade. Not every class/build is going to be hard countered.
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Lmao its sad now dude look at what you posted. You said there no damage set that competes with Bloodspawn I explained to you how their are better damage sets that competes with Bloodspawn.A set that deals 7k damage every 4 seconds will beat a Dawnbreaker every 15.Like I told you earlier Good players don't need proc sets to kill but that not what you were talking about. Good players use their skill to kill players unlike yourself you need your armor to deal all your Damage for you.Math its fundamental kid use it.
Actually I never stated a NB should be able to tank damage like a DK or Templar I did say they needed buff to make them competitive for everything beside ganking and using broken sets like yourself.A NB in heavy will have just as good sustain and damage as a stamblade in medium.Better sustain your numbers will be higher but you probably hit each other just as hard and both sides never run out of resources.That NB in heavy gets resources back whenever you hit him from heavy armor passives and whenever he weaves. Heavy is just that good.[/quote]
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Lmao its sad now dude look at what you posted. You said there no damage set that competes with Bloodspawn I explained to you how their are better damage sets that competes with Bloodspawn.A set that deals 7k damage every 4 seconds will beat a Dawnbreaker every 15.Like I told you earlier Good players don't need proc sets to kill but that not what you were talking about. Good players use their skill to kill players unlike yourself you need your armor to deal all your Damage for you.Math its fundamental kid use it.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
PvP raid???? So you're a zergling, got it, you just lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
And again, 1v1 means jack. MSorcs counter stamblades by design. Let me introduce your msorc friend to my stamDK where no matter how much damage he stacks, he won't be able to threaten my life pool in the slightest.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about its laughable how clueless you are.Go back to running your proc sets to get kills you pleb.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
Also with Bloodspawn your not having Dawnbreaker up every 15 seconds on a StamDK even with mountain blessing which occurs every 6 seconds.You would have 6 additional ultimate in that time frame.So with Blood spawn and blessing you would only have gain 36 ultimate for a dawnbreaker every 15 seconds. Every 30 seconds maybe but not every 15.During that 15 seconds I could proc a 7k Selene 3 times.Only time you could have Dawnbreaker up is if you run S&B and tavas but you would only run that in a 1v1 which you stated doesn't matter. So please tell my why run a non damage set over a proc set again?Why wouldn't a 6-7k attack that doesn't cost resources on heavy armor targets every 4 seconds complete with blood spawn?
The fact of the matter is right now any player who is doing well in medium will perform better with a heavy set. Heavy is just that good you can tank more damage have better sustain and hit just as hard. Its a sad state when heavy is just arguable better. Personally I still run medium because because I like a challenge. Same reason why I won't run proc sets the game easy enough no reason to make it easier.
You calling me clueless is so ironic it's hilarious. Go find me one good stamDK that runs Selene's over Bloodspawn, you won't. And no, a stamblade wearing heavy will not have NEARLY the sustain or damage that a medium stamblade has. You're part of the fallacy that all classes should work the same, i.e. Tank damage while dealing it. Stamblades don't tank damage, they avoid it altogether.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
PvP raid???? So you're a zergling, got it, you just lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
And again, 1v1 means jack. MSorcs counter stamblades by design. Let me introduce your msorc friend to my stamDK where no matter how much damage he stacks, he won't be able to threaten my life pool in the slightest.
No I'm no Zergling I don't know where you get that idea from. I play 1vX and small-scale. I have one organised group pvp with 10 ppl max once a week. so I'm no Zergling in any way.
I can introduce this magsorc to any stamdk and he probably wrecks them. I could have mentioned some magdks, some stamdks, magplars and for a lesser extent stamplars who kill any nightblade without any problems.
And tell me if duels are not a good measure and groups are also for scrubs only what is a proper measure for the viability of a class then? Don't come up with 1vX as this is technically 1v1 where you fight one enemy at the time and then fight the next one.
Additionally when the whole class system is based on counters. Which class is countered by stamnb?
Where did I get it from? You literally said when you're joining a PvP RAID. Do you know what a raid is? It's not small group.
I also never said the whole class system is based on counters, I said mSorc counters NB by design, it's easily the hardest 1v1 matchup for a stamblade. Not every class/build is going to be hard countered.
Actually I never stated a NB should be able to tank damage like a DK or Templar I did say they needed buff to make them competitive for everything beside ganking and using broken sets like yourself.A NB in heavy will have just as good sustain and damage as a stamblade in medium.Better sustain your numbers will be higher but you probably hit each other just as hard and both sides never run out of resources.That NB in heavy gets resources back whenever you hit him from heavy armor passives and whenever he weaves. Heavy is just that good.[/quote]
You should really stop, you're making yourself look bad. Like I said, go find me a single top tier stamDK that runs Selenes over Bloodspawn. You won't.[/quote]
I'm starting to think you can't read.I agree with you a Good DK would run Bloodspawn over selene any day of the week since they dont need proc sets to kill people,but that wasn't your statement you said their no damage proc sets that's better than Bloodspawn on a DK that what I was responding to your statement. Damn kid how don't you understand your own arguement. You won't need a Dawnbreaker every 15 seconds which lets say unblocked will hit for 7-8k instant. That in no way beats 21k damage over the same time frame. My only argument is against that point their are proc sets on a DK that's better than bloodspawn.0 -
Lmao its sad now dude look at what you posted. You said there no damage set that competes with Bloodspawn I explained to you how their are better damage sets that competes with Bloodspawn.A set that deals 7k damage every 4 seconds will beat a Dawnbreaker every 15.Like I told you earlier Good players don't need proc sets to kill but that not what you were talking about. Good players use their skill to kill players unlike yourself you need your armor to deal all your Damage for you.Math its fundamental kid use it.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
PvP raid???? So you're a zergling, got it, you just lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
And again, 1v1 means jack. MSorcs counter stamblades by design. Let me introduce your msorc friend to my stamDK where no matter how much damage he stacks, he won't be able to threaten my life pool in the slightest.
Wow you really don't know what your talking about its laughable how clueless you are.Go back to running your proc sets to get kills you pleb.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
Also with Bloodspawn your not having Dawnbreaker up every 15 seconds on a StamDK even with mountain blessing which occurs every 6 seconds.You would have 6 additional ultimate in that time frame.So with Blood spawn and blessing you would only have gain 36 ultimate for a dawnbreaker every 15 seconds. Every 30 seconds maybe but not every 15.During that 15 seconds I could proc a 7k Selene 3 times.Only time you could have Dawnbreaker up is if you run S&B and tavas but you would only run that in a 1v1 which you stated doesn't matter. So please tell my why run a non damage set over a proc set again?Why wouldn't a 6-7k attack that doesn't cost resources on heavy armor targets every 4 seconds complete with blood spawn?
The fact of the matter is right now any player who is doing well in medium will perform better with a heavy set. Heavy is just that good you can tank more damage have better sustain and hit just as hard. Its a sad state when heavy is just arguable better. Personally I still run medium because because I like a challenge. Same reason why I won't run proc sets the game easy enough no reason to make it easier.
You calling me clueless is so ironic it's hilarious. Go find me one good stamDK that runs Selene's over Bloodspawn, you won't. And no, a stamblade wearing heavy will not have NEARLY the sustain or damage that a medium stamblade has. You're part of the fallacy that all classes should work the same, i.e. Tank damage while dealing it. Stamblades don't tank damage, they avoid it altogether.Obviously you don't play right if you did you know what's wrong with NB.If all you do is gank and run proc sets like a scrub I guess in your eyes it's ok.To people who actually know how to play the class and don't need their armor to kill people the class needs help.
I'm so very sick of people that claim NBs aren't viable and they refuse to run proc-sets because they think it's cheese.
First of all, stamblades are fine (magblades need help).
Second, proc-sets were practically designed for stamblades. They aren't NEARLY as effective on any other stamina build. DKs and stamplars have much better options and if you're running a proc-set you're gimping yourself.
No other class plays the hit and run, elusive playstyle like a stamblade where you single out opponents and rely on unrecoverable burst to win. And no, I'm not talking about ganking, I'm talking about utilizing LoS, massive amounts of roll-dodging and use of shade to constantly fight on your terms and score kills in 1vX situations.
TLDR; stamblades are fine, if you aren't using proc-sets you're doing it wrong. Now that proc-sets are nerfed it's a small part of your burst, but needed for the stamblade playstyle.
Quit crying and practice.
I am now convinced you have no idea what you are talking about. Proc sets aren't "NEARLY" as effective on other classes lol? Have you ever dueled a Tremorscale sword and board stam DK or stam sorc? What about a Selene Stamplar with Power of the Light firing off every 6 seconds? I have. You say DK's and Stamplars have much better options. Why is that? Is it because they have competitive damage with built in major mending?
Most Stamblades I know (myself included) have had to switch to Trollking just to survive the burst classes are able to produce. Meanwhile Stam Sorcs, Stam DK's, and Stamplars are able to keep running the damage monster sets because their healing is just fine. Sorcs are hitting so hard right now it's on a whole new level.
And if you think LOS and a "massive amount of roll dodging" is the answer you are sadly mistaken. The only way you are doing a massive amount of roll dodging is in medium armor, which is virtually a death sentence against good players running crazy strong builds. Frag, curse, execute will kill a medium armor stamblade outright. The Dawnbreaker is just for show. Try dueling a built out Sorc who is running Soul Assault on a Nightblade in medium. Can't cloak it, can't bash them out of it, can't CC them out of it. It's hilarious.
I think it is pretty obvious you haven't played a Nightblade for any length of time (if at all) so maybe you should save the lecturing for someone who plays a class you know something about. And just in case you were going to throw the whole 1v1 isn't a good test for a class line in there, I will tell you right now to save it. Duels are a HUGE part of this game and Battlegrounds are coming.
Of course, anyone that excels on something couldn't possible play it better than you, they must be an inexperienced pleb right?? How many of the top stamblades need to post on this forum advocating they're fine before you rumbling idiots stop crying?
Yes, there ARE better sets than damage sets for other stam classes. For example, any stamDK running any monster set other than bloodspawn is an absolute fool. None of the damage sets compete with having Dawnbreaker available every 15 seconds.
And since when are duels a HUUUGE part of this game?? No player worth their salt gives a damn about dueling. The game will NEVER be balanced around it, nor should it, it's a joke. And yes, medium armor running 23-25k health and 2300+ recovery is still the best open world setup that performs at an extremely high level, it just has an extremely high skill cap so most plebs think it's massively nerfed.
This whole conversation is case in point.
No top Nightblade answered this thread. And 1v1 is a good measure. Why should you be chosen in a pvp raid when every player that has another class and the same skill level reks you.
When you have to be extraordinary better than any one else to have a chance in fights a class is outclassed.
Let me introduce your build to a friend of mine running a mag sorc. He laughs at anyone trying to fight him in medium armor he needs no luck to stay alive and even if he has bad luck his shields and streak save him in any situation.
PvP raid???? So you're a zergling, got it, you just lost all credibility. Not that you ever had any.
And again, 1v1 means jack. MSorcs counter stamblades by design. Let me introduce your msorc friend to my stamDK where no matter how much damage he stacks, he won't be able to threaten my life pool in the slightest.
No I'm no Zergling I don't know where you get that idea from. I play 1vX and small-scale. I have one organised group pvp with 10 ppl max once a week. so I'm no Zergling in any way.
I can introduce this magsorc to any stamdk and he probably wrecks them. I could have mentioned some magdks, some stamdks, magplars and for a lesser extent stamplars who kill any nightblade without any problems.
And tell me if duels are not a good measure and groups are also for scrubs only what is a proper measure for the viability of a class then? Don't come up with 1vX as this is technically 1v1 where you fight one enemy at the time and then fight the next one.
Additionally when the whole class system is based on counters. Which class is countered by stamnb?
Where did I get it from? You literally said when you're joining a PvP RAID. Do you know what a raid is? It's not small group.
I also never said the whole class system is based on counters, I said mSorc counters NB by design, it's easily the hardest 1v1 matchup for a stamblade. Not every class/build is going to be hard countered.
Actually I never stated a NB should be able to tank damage like a DK or Templar I did say they needed buff to make them competitive for everything beside ganking and using broken sets like yourself.A NB in heavy will have just as good sustain and damage as a stamblade in medium.Better sustain your numbers will be higher but you probably hit each other just as hard and both sides never run out of resources.That NB in heavy gets resources back whenever you hit him from heavy armor passives and whenever he weaves. Heavy is just that good.
You should really stop, you're making yourself look bad. Like I said, go find me a single top tier stamDK that runs Selenes over Bloodspawn. You won't.[/quote]
I'm starting to think you can't read.I agree with you a Good DK would run Bloodspawn over selene any day of the week since they dont need proc sets to kill people,but that wasn't your statement you said their no damage proc sets that's better than Bloodspawn on a DK that what I was responding to your statement. Damn kid how don't you understand your own arguement. You won't need a Dawnbreaker every 15 seconds which lets say unblocked will hit for 7-8k instant. That in no way beats 21k damage over the same time frame. My only argument is against that point their are proc sets on a DK that's better than bloodspawn.[/quote]
Sorry who are you?Smiff0 -
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@BohnT
I didn't disagree with your suggestions on some skill changes in the OP, don't agree with them all either though.. I do have a question however.
What exactly are you trying to do with your NB?"IMO"Aldmeri DominionBosmer Nightblade AR 32 - Altmer Templar AR 26 - Dunmer Dragonknight AR 18 - Altmer Sorcerer AR 20 - Khajiit Dragonknight AR 18(+3 not worth mentioning, yet)0 -
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@BohnT
I didn't disagree with your suggestions on some skill changes in the OP, don't agree with them all either though.. I do have a question however.
What exactly are you trying to do with your NB?
I try to be the best small-scale player I can.
I mainly play with 1 or 2 friends capturing some resources and defend them until we are outnumbered by ~ 4:1.
But this thread is not intended to buff my playstyle solely and make stamnb the next fotm class. I looked how many stamnbs I see in cyro, how good they are and what they are doing and came to the conclusion that almost any nb ganks or starts it's fight our of stealth to have a 1 time advantage during this fight. This doesn't help in Zerging, which is a big part of cyro even though most good players hate it. It doesn't help in longer fights with small groups and it doesn't helps for longer fights against multiple targets ( unless you have an extremely good gank build but then we are on the topic ganking again)
Then I looked what kills me in cyro and why I didn't survive it. I came to the conclusion that many times I don't have a chance to survive as I don't have access to good heals, shields or another reliable defence that gives me a stable amount of defense for a certain period of time until I can pressure the enemy again.
Of course I got killed in zergs or I did stupid things were I deserved to die but what drives me crazy is when I have no chance of staying alive because I don't have the tools to do so.
Fighting against a stam sorc/ mag dk / mag plar is one of those occasions I can't protect myself against them with none of my abilities that I have in an open fight. This is based on good players not on some randoms which can be killed easily.
I hope I could make my point and opinion clear
I want a balanced game I try to support any class that needs some adjustments. I'm not someone who wants to be best in anything but I'd like to have a game where actual skill is rewarded.0 -
Enipfodnuos✭✭✭Personally, I've always thought of cloak as an engage tool and a useful way to mitigate siege damage (It still cancels the DOTs on my NB). In this sense it still works quite well. Outside of that, it's not a very effective disengage and I think it really shouldn't be.
With proc sets and incredibly high dmg builds, NBs perform amazingly. Cloak, used outside of engaging, and clearing siege DOTs ( which is just about the best skill in the game for the latter) Is really just about trolling imo.0 -
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@BohnT
I didn't disagree with your suggestions on some skill changes in the OP, don't agree with them all either though.. I do have a question however.
What exactly are you trying to do with your NB?
I try to be the best small-scale player I can.
I mainly play with 1 or 2 friends capturing some resources and defend them until we are outnumbered by ~ 4:1.
But this thread is not intended to buff my playstyle solely and make stamnb the next fotm class. I looked how many stamnbs I see in cyro, how good they are and what they are doing and came to the conclusion that almost any nb ganks or starts it's fight our of stealth to have a 1 time advantage during this fight. This doesn't help in Zerging, which is a big part of cyro even though most good players hate it. It doesn't help in longer fights with small groups and it doesn't helps for longer fights against multiple targets ( unless you have an extremely good gank build but then we are on the topic ganking again)
Then I looked what kills me in cyro and why I didn't survive it. I came to the conclusion that many times I don't have a chance to survive as I don't have access to good heals, shields or another reliable defence that gives me a stable amount of defense for a certain period of time until I can pressure the enemy again.
Of course I got killed in zergs or I did stupid things were I deserved to die but what drives me crazy is when I have no chance of staying alive because I don't have the tools to do so.
Fighting against a stam sorc/ mag dk / mag plar is one of those occasions I can't protect myself against them with none of my abilities that I have in an open fight. This is based on good players not on some randoms which can be killed easily.
I hope I could make my point and opinion clear
I want a balanced game I try to support any class that needs some adjustments. I'm not someone who wants to be best in anything but I'd like to have a game where actual skill is rewarded.
Fair enough. To be honest though capping/defending a resource in Cyro nowadays just attracts zergs. You are going to get zerged over time and time again anywhere near an objective. It's just the awful state to which Cyrodiil is currently. You can find fun fights for awhile, but the inevitable rogue zerg will eventually come to collect that sweet 1.5K flip tick......
Anyway - Seems like you are mainly talking about survivability in duo/trio situations... IMO this is all about pecking order and your group comp, your skill bars too. Are you guys prioritizing your targets correctly, or are your opponents picking you guys off in the correct order? As the stamblade, you need to be the one to burst the first priority, before they call you out. You also mentioned that cloak doesn't really help in longer fights, to that I disagree. In the longer fights cloak helps you reset, letting you heal, reapply buffs, and DoTs. It's actually one of my most crucial abilities on the bar for long fights.Fighting against a stam sorc/ mag dk / mag plar is one of those occasions I can't protect myself against them with none of my abilities that I have in an open fight.
ZOS overbuffed StamSorc, and yep, I'm saying it, MagDK too. These two classes really shouldn't even be compared to others in fights. They are faceroll overperforming at the current moment. Stamsorc more so than MagDK. StamSorcs can pretty much do everything better than any stamina class there is, except StamDK tanking. When ZOS does this it makes other classes feel pigeon holed into what they are best at, which for NB's is ganking. I don't really have trouble with Magplars, they are either unkillable trolls, or have some DPS/heals but still open to being bursted.
I'm not trying to tell you stuff you already know, I am genuinely curious to the real goal cause I'm addicted to theorycrafting and you may be trying to fill in a niche playstyle."IMO"Aldmeri DominionBosmer Nightblade AR 32 - Altmer Templar AR 26 - Dunmer Dragonknight AR 18 - Altmer Sorcerer AR 20 - Khajiit Dragonknight AR 18(+3 not worth mentioning, yet)0