The needed changes for stam Nightblades to make them viable again.

arkansas_ESO

Solariken wrote: »

PrinceRyzen wrote: »

Dorrino wrote: »

Solariken wrote: »

I like the suggestions from @Dorrino about sorting out Cloak once and for all. Let it purge everything and be completely unbreakable (except for reveal mechanics like Magelight), but give it a scaling cost penalty of +50% for 4 seconds to mirror Streak. As a trade-off for being unbreakable, the NB should take X% additional damage from AoE attacks and or receive X% less healing while Cloaked. .

Actually i'd disagree with cloak being fully unbreakable. This would make nbs too strong even taking into account the drawbacks you described.

It feels like we need it not to break on application, thus my proposed 0.2-0.3 sec full immunity.

If the cloak will have purge utility embedded into it that would be fine if it breaks in 0.5 sec.

Even more, this mechanics will move nightblades from invisible glass cannon gameplay paradigm to a bit squishy class with purge and hide on demand.

Cost increase might be +25% on application. This would allow stamblades to do 2-3 cloaks in a row and magblades ~5-6.

Cloak for NB is like shields for Sorcs. Shields absorb all damage and work every time.
Shields have no cost increase. Neither should cloak. A class shouldn't be penalized in order for an ability to work.

Cloak is not like shields. Shields are like shields and Nightblades have the same basic access to those as any magicka class. Cloak is more akin to Bolt Escape.

I draw that distinction only to say that Cloak is NOT for soaking damage - it's for (attempting to) avoiding damage.

Also, magblades' ability to nearly live in invisibility is bad design. Cloak should be made more reliable, but it needs a scaling cost spam penalty to mirror Bolt Escape.

If you're going to make Cloak like Streak, then you'll have to make it guaranteed to work like Streak, and with few counters (besides just gap closer spam) like Streak.

Lokey0024

Killset wrote: »

FlyLionel wrote: »

Killset wrote: »

I just want some sort of major mending. I would trade cloak for it in a minute. The nerf to vitality pots devastated non gank nightblades in open world. Other classes are not affected by it that much. I feel like that nerf alone was aimed directly at the class.

Since release I've played stam nb, bro leave cloak...it's a nightblade thing seriously. Yes we're the most squishy class but also the hardest hitting class, saying things like completely trash in pvp unless you gank? I understand that you may be talking about the sheep who play NB and have trouble with surviving and can only 'win' by ganking; but still. Also remember we have the best resource management in the game hands down simply on automatic (passive/siphoning attacks/grim). And no dark deal doesn't count as automatic.

I agree that NB's ability missing major brutality sucks and all that but it's just the design, and it actually fits. They gave us brutality with power extraction which is decent in pve. If you want brutality with DW use shrouded daggers. It's all in the design yo. DK/Templar are suppose to be the beefier classes while sorc/nb have more unique things (shields/speed/cloaks). I just wish Zeni would make a thread explaining to everyone their goals with each class(maybe they did). Obviously DK are the OP tank guys, templars are all around jugs, sorcs...well someone has to play the typical magic build, stam wise it's more refreshing with stam sorc. And nightblades...use your intuition for them! Also I'd like to add that cloak is buggy at times taking you out of stealth sucks(broken record), please fix.

So have I, I'm just saying cloak is so unreliable I would trade it for something useful at this point. And you are 100% incorrect in thinking nightblades are the hardest hitting class.

Wrong quote but you still said it
You keep saying it, no one is listening. You invalidated yourself by "i got a friend who one time did a thing" with no real numbers.

Ive hit people in light armor and no impen for 20k on a non gank nightblade wearing shieldbreaker 3 lekis 3 agi all impen. Then again ive hit someone with heavy armor all impen for 10k with incap. 70 cost ult. 70. Let that sink in.

See how the difference in explaining?

Anti_Virus

Major life steal on mark target? Yes

Also make Siphoning attacks grant major brutality for 30 sec when cast but lets the resource return remain at 15 secs.

Some disease morphs to some of the shiponing skill lines would be cool.

Something needs to be done to concealed weapon so melee magblades are viable.

Erynyes

major lifesteal on mark sounds cool

KingYogi415

Stamblades are the hardest class to play.

Try stamsorc or magplar, they are more noob friendly.

Cheers!

Killset

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Killset wrote: »

FlyLionel wrote: »

Killset wrote: »

I just want some sort of major mending. I would trade cloak for it in a minute. The nerf to vitality pots devastated non gank nightblades in open world. Other classes are not affected by it that much. I feel like that nerf alone was aimed directly at the class.

Since release I've played stam nb, bro leave cloak...it's a nightblade thing seriously. Yes we're the most squishy class but also the hardest hitting class, saying things like completely trash in pvp unless you gank? I understand that you may be talking about the sheep who play NB and have trouble with surviving and can only 'win' by ganking; but still. Also remember we have the best resource management in the game hands down simply on automatic (passive/siphoning attacks/grim). And no dark deal doesn't count as automatic.

I agree that NB's ability missing major brutality sucks and all that but it's just the design, and it actually fits. They gave us brutality with power extraction which is decent in pve. If you want brutality with DW use shrouded daggers. It's all in the design yo. DK/Templar are suppose to be the beefier classes while sorc/nb have more unique things (shields/speed/cloaks). I just wish Zeni would make a thread explaining to everyone their goals with each class(maybe they did). Obviously DK are the OP tank guys, templars are all around jugs, sorcs...well someone has to play the typical magic build, stam wise it's more refreshing with stam sorc. And nightblades...use your intuition for them! Also I'd like to add that cloak is buggy at times taking you out of stealth sucks(broken record), please fix.

So have I, I'm just saying cloak is so unreliable I would trade it for something useful at this point. And you are 100% incorrect in thinking nightblades are the hardest hitting class.

You keep saying it, no one is listening. You invalidated yourself by "i got a friend who one time did a thing" with no real numbers.

Ive hit people in light armor and no impen for 20k on a non gank nightblade wearing shieldbreaker 3 lekis 3 agi all impen. Then again ive hit someone with heavy armor all impen for 10k with incap. 70 cost ult. 70. Let that sink in.

See how the difference in explaining?

I didn't invalidate anything. Where did you get " I got a friend who one time did a thing" from? The quote you used doesn't have anything to do with that. I try to speak from MY experiences and then discuss them here. Much like everyone else does.

Here is one experience. I've been hit with a frag for 11,108 damage in 6 Heavy and 1 medium. It's not an ultimate. And let's clear the air about our 70 cost ultimate shall we?... I would say 1 out of every 2 land (and I'm being generous). And I know all the tricks for landing them. So now we are at 140 ultimate to get one to stick. If 3 are blocked, shuffled or roll dodged 210. 210. Let that sink in.

And on a final note, how are you able to tell who all is listening?... Sorcery?

BohnT

Please leave this discussion about who listens to someone or who brought up an example with a friend up out of this thread. It was solely created to discuss about Stamnb improvements and changes. So please just have your own personal opinion but only write constructive comments

I try to sum your posts into 2 arguments:
1. Stamnb hits very hard on light/ medium armor with its abilities especially incap

2. Incap is a bit too expensive now as it is often dodged/ blocked etc leading to a higher overall cost compared to other ultimates.

Strider_Roshin

For anyone that believes that Nightblades are in a good place right now, just look at the leaderboards in PvP.

Right now in Haderus for PS4 NA these are the top 10 classes in order:

1. DK
2. Templar
3. Sorcerer
4. Sorcerer
5. Sorcerer
6. DK
7. Templar
8. DK
9. Sorcerer
10. Templar

So out of the top 10 players in PvP we have:

Dragonknights: 3
Templars: 3
Sorcerers: 4
Nightblades: 0

So to those who say the game is the most balanced it's been, you're probably correct. Templars, DKs, and Sorcs are comparable in strength now, but Nightblades are left in the dirt.

Strider_Roshin

And if you think that's bad look at the top 100 for the vMoL leaderboards. Out of the top 100 players, only 4 of them are Nightblades.

Nightblades are in a terrible spot right now. Both in PvP, and PvE.

thankyourat

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

For anyone that believes that Nightblades are in a good place right now, just look at the leaderboards in PvP.

Right now in Haderus for PS4 NA these are the top 10 classes in order:

1. DK
2. Templar
3. Sorcerer
4. Sorcerer
5. Sorcerer
6. DK
7. Templar
8. DK
9. Sorcerer
10. Templar

So out of the top 10 players in PvP we have:

Dragonknights: 3
Templars: 3
Sorcerers: 4
Nightblades: 0

So to those who say the game is the most balanced it's been, you're probably correct. Templars, DKs, and Sorcs are comparable in strength now, but Nightblades are left in the dirt.

I think it's because the top 10 in cyrodiil are usually AP farmers/zergers also most of the time the players in the top 10 aren't actually top players just top at getting AP. Another thing is nightblades are bad for group play because both mag and stam are completely outclassed by the sorcerer class is really no reason to play a nightblade in group play when you can just play a sorcerer. Sometimes you do see bomb blades high on the leaderboards though. I don't think you could use the cyrodiil leaderboards as an argument that nightblade is in a bad spot. I do feel the class needs some buffs though. making cloak work as intended should be the first buff and then add the purge back

arkansas_ESO

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

For anyone that believes that Nightblades are in a good place right now, just look at the leaderboards in PvP.

Right now in Haderus for PS4 NA these are the top 10 classes in order:

1. DK
2. Templar
3. Sorcerer
4. Sorcerer
5. Sorcerer
6. DK
7. Templar
8. DK
9. Sorcerer
10. Templar

So out of the top 10 players in PvP we have:

Dragonknights: 3
Templars: 3
Sorcerers: 4
Nightblades: 0

So to those who say the game is the most balanced it's been, you're probably correct. Templars, DKs, and Sorcs are comparable in strength now, but Nightblades are left in the dirt.

Not to say that NB is or isn't in need of buffs, but #1 EP on the most populated campaign on PC NA right now is a magic NB bomb build, and they're constantly 200-300k in front of #2. AP per hour isn't really a good measure of how a class performs, IMO.

Erynyes

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

For anyone that believes that Nightblades are in a good place right now, just look at the leaderboards in PvP.

Right now in Haderus for PS4 NA these are the top 10 classes in order:

1. DK
2. Templar
3. Sorcerer
4. Sorcerer
5. Sorcerer
6. DK
7. Templar
8. DK
9. Sorcerer
10. Templar

So out of the top 10 players in PvP we have:

Dragonknights: 3
Templars: 3
Sorcerers: 4
Nightblades: 0

So to those who say the game is the most balanced it's been, you're probably correct. Templars, DKs, and Sorcs are comparable in strength now, but Nightblades are left in the dirt.

i dunno how it goes for you on console, but PC NA got alot of NB in the top 10 for each alliance, it's not a good measure for balance anyway

glavius

Stam nbs are fine in pvp

BohnT

glavius wrote: »

Stam nbs are fine in pvp

Please share why they are fine. A simple statement doesn't contribute anything to the discussion.

Sarru

BohnT wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Stam nbs are fine in pvp

Please share why they are fine. A simple statement doesn't contribute anything to the discussion.

Maybe couse they have high burst dmg, which with poisons and proc sets makes them a nobrain killing ganking machine? Couse they have cloak and can escape any time. Couse they have same saves as other stam builds (vigor, shuffle, dodge-roll).
I have a NBganker, i'm using him to gank ppl in imperial city for telvars and its so *** boring and easy...

BohnT

Sarru wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Stam nbs are fine in pvp

Please share why they are fine. A simple statement doesn't contribute anything to the discussion.

Maybe couse they have high burst dmg, which with poisons and proc sets makes them a nobrain killing ganking machine? Couse they have cloak and can escape any time. Couse they have same saves as other stam builds (vigor, shuffle, dodge-roll).
I have a NBganker, i'm using him to gank ppl in imperial city for telvars and its so *** boring and easy...

I know that they are relatively good gankers but the target of this thread was to nerf ganking and buff them in open fights where they are outclassed by anything.
And by saying that you use proc sets and poisons you just show that the nb class doesn't bring enough to the table to be good on its own

Strider_Roshin

Sarru wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

glavius wrote: »

Stam nbs are fine in pvp

Please share why they are fine. A simple statement doesn't contribute anything to the discussion.

Maybe couse they have high burst dmg, which with poisons and proc sets makes them a nobrain killing ganking machine? Couse they have cloak and can escape any time. Couse they have same saves as other stam builds (vigor, shuffle, dodge-roll).
I have a NBganker, i'm using him to gank ppl in imperial city for telvars and its so *** boring and easy...

You see that is what I can't stand. People say stamblades are fine because they stack a bunch of armor sets that do the fighting for you, and can take you out by attacking you while you're unprepared from stealth. If the main way a Nightblade can be successful is by ganking, they're not on the same level as the other classes; they're beneath them.

Valencer

You say theyre outclassed by any other spec in open fights, and this is simply not true.

A good medium armour stamblade is impossible to pin down if he makes clever use of roll dodge and cloak (or even shadow image), can burst you down to low health with incap whenever it's up (and 70 ulti still isnt much) and pretty much forces you to fight on his terms because you simply cant hit him if he doesnt overextend and let you.

In addition to that, you have a very solid class-based spammable stamina damage ability and youve got the best (without question) hard CC in the game that also goes through block (basically, the only class with a really reliable counter to heavy armour block builds).

If you really want to facetank damage heavy armour is always an option, and just as viable as on any other stamina class because heavy armour is just that good.

And to the guy using the top 10 alliance war leaderboard as an argument for class balance: that leaderboard has nothing to do with class balance and everything to do with who has more free time to spend PvPing.

Ragnaroek93

Stamblades are fine (maybe even a bit too strong). Probably all stamblades who complain about their class being too weak run still around in medium armor. If cloak would work well, nightblades would be very overpowered. That skill needs a complete redesign in my opinion.

Edit: Talking about PvP, I have no idea how they perform in PvE.

Lokey0024

Valencer wrote: »

You say theyre outclassed by any other spec in open fights, and this is simply not true.

A good medium armour stamblade is impossible to pin down if he makes clever use of roll dodge and cloak (or even shadow image), can burst you down to low health with incap whenever it's up (and 70 ulti still isnt much) and pretty much forces you to fight on his terms because you simply cant hit him if he doesnt overextend and let you.

In addition to that, you have a very solid class-based spammable stamina damage ability and youve got the best (without question) hard CC in the game that also goes through block (basically, the only class with a really reliable counter to heavy armour block builds).

If you really want to facetank damage heavy armour is always an option, and just as viable as on any other stamina class because heavy armour is just that good.

And to the guy using the top 10 alliance war leaderboard as an argument for class balance: that leaderboard has nothing to do with class balance and everything to do with who has more free time to spend PvPing.

This doesn't fit into a buff NB agenda so most will just ignore it sadly. I would be real happy for a poison whip morph on my Stam Dk so i could land hits 100% easier then dizzy swing, adds 8% dmg after the first time it lands, and makes me take 8%less dmg.

Ill try to help steer a little. What is it you think other classes have access too that is restricted from NB? Mending? Use malbeth. Tanky? Use heavy. Taking to much dmg? Use SnB.

These are all changes ive had to do on my Stam DK in one facet or another. Just because meta has changed and you dont want to is what im reading. Players need the extra 8-16% dmg decrease across the board because of power creep of the CP system. The real overhaul should be on the amount of dmg and midigation all players have acess to.

Strider_Roshin

Valencer wrote: »

A good medium armour stamblade is impossible to pin down if he makes clever use of roll dodge and cloak (or even shadow image), can burst you down to low health with incap whenever it's up (and 70 ulti still isnt much) and pretty much forces you to fight on his terms because you simply cant hit him if he doesnt overextend and let you.

These are the type of people that think stamblades are too powerful. The inexperienced or simply unskilled. What you're describing to me is someone that has no idea how to defend against cloak; which is easily the easiest defense mechanic to defend against in the game.

Bad players are the reason why a move like wrecking blow got nerfed; a move that was garbage to begin with. And it will be because of bad players that stamblades don't receive their much needed buff.

Lokey0024

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

A good medium armour stamblade is impossible to pin down if he makes clever use of roll dodge and cloak (or even shadow image), can burst you down to low health with incap whenever it's up (and 70 ulti still isnt much) and pretty much forces you to fight on his terms because you simply cant hit him if he doesnt overextend and let you.

These are the type of people that think stamblades are too powerful. The inexperienced or simply unskilled. What you're describing to me is someone that has no idea how to defend against cloak; which is easily the easiest defense mechanic to defend against in the game.

Bad players are the reason why a move like wrecking blow got nerfed; a move that was garbage to begin with. And it will be because of bad players that stamblades don't receive their much needed buff.

Could have fooled me. All the points he touches on are basically how a NB 1vxer or medium armor wearing NB should think. Not all classes have hurricane and 15 barspots to choose from.

Might be that your inexperience is showing. Ive been lured to the ring around the tree or rock climbing game too many times just to observe how the real slippery players get away. You might want to pay attention, might learn something.

thankyourat

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

A good medium armour stamblade is impossible to pin down if he makes clever use of roll dodge and cloak (or even shadow image), can burst you down to low health with incap whenever it's up (and 70 ulti still isnt much) and pretty much forces you to fight on his terms because you simply cant hit him if he doesnt overextend and let you.

These are the type of people that think stamblades are too powerful. The inexperienced or simply unskilled. What you're describing to me is someone that has no idea how to defend against cloak; which is easily the easiest defense mechanic to defend against in the game.

Bad players are the reason why a move like wrecking blow got nerfed; a move that was garbage to begin with. And it will be because of bad players that stamblades don't receive their much needed buff.

Could have fooled me. All the points he touches on are basically how a NB 1vxer or medium armor wearing NB should think. Not all classes have hurricane and 15 barspots to choose from.

Might be that your inexperience is showing. Ive been lured to the ring around the tree or rock climbing game too many times just to observe how the real slippery players get away. You might want to pay attention, might learn something.

That's not exclusive to the nightblade class though. Fighting any build who is utilizing dodge roll and Los will be hard to kill. I have a question why do you feel the need to continue fighting a guy if he is using LoS and it's a 1v1. If I'm fighting someone and they start running away or using LoS I just walk off. If he wants to fight he'll come to me or else I'll fight that person again once he gets more practice. For the most part I try to fight on my terms or I don't fight at all.

Nellzer

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

A good medium armour stamblade is impossible to pin down if he makes clever use of roll dodge and cloak (or even shadow image), can burst you down to low health with incap whenever it's up (and 70 ulti still isnt much) and pretty much forces you to fight on his terms because you simply cant hit him if he doesnt overextend and let you.

These are the type of people that think stamblades are too powerful. The inexperienced or simply unskilled. What you're describing to me is someone that has no idea how to defend against cloak; which is easily the easiest defense mechanic to defend against in the game.

Bad players are the reason why a move like wrecking blow got nerfed; a move that was garbage to begin with. And it will be because of bad players that stamblades don't receive their much needed buff.

Could have fooled me. All the points he touches on are basically how a NB 1vxer or medium armor wearing NB should think. Not all classes have hurricane and 15 barspots to choose from.

Might be that your inexperience is showing. Ive been lured to the ring around the tree or rock climbing game too many times just to observe how the real slippery players get away. You might want to pay attention, might learn something.

Can't tell if kidding or just simply ignorant. How many good stamblades need to come in here and explain how good they are, even go as far as posting video proof (Crescent) of stamblade gameplay shitting on sorcs, templars, dks while wearing medium armor?

YOUR inexperience is absolutely glaring. This threads needs to be closed. The reason this topic exists is because stamblades have probably the highest skill cap in the game. It comes down to the fact that 99% of everyone that rolled a stamblade while they were top of the food chain was getting carried by proc sets and felt like they were gods. Now that proc sets are balanced and you actually have to play the class the way it was meant to be played, everyone is going nuts.

OP, stop asking for discussion on why they are or aren't strong. They're incredibly strong. Please take a couple of hours and watch Crescent's gameplay videos, or any other popular YT stamblade and learn how to play the class effectively. If you aren't a strong gamer when it comes to mechanics, awareness and reaction time then you may just want to pick an easier class.

And for the people using that as argument, just stop. Every game has harder and easier classes. Before they made the game so braindead easy, rogues in WoW had a much higher skill cap than most other classes, but played to their highest potential a rogue could carry 2 other scrub rivals to Gladiator with ease.

Derra

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

And if you think that's bad look at the top 100 for the vMoL leaderboards. Out of the top 100 players, only 4 of them are Nightblades.

Nightblades are in a terrible spot right now. Both in PvP, and PvE.

Well NBs doing good in vMSA :P

Chair

Erynyes wrote: »

major lifesteal on mark sounds cool

No... no it doesnt mark is already a skill used by bad stamblades who cannot compete with their own class.

Or XV1 nbs.

Sarru

BohnT wrote: »

I know that they are relatively good gankers but the target of this thread was to nerf ganking and buff them in open fights where they are outclassed by anything.
And by saying that you use proc sets and poisons you just show that the nb class doesn't bring enough to the table to be good on its own

I don't use proc sets btw and still ganking others.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

You see that is what I can't stand. People say stamblades are fine because they stack a bunch of armor sets that do the fighting for you, and can take you out by attacking you while you're unprepared from stealth. If the main way a Nightblade can be successful is by ganking, they're not on the same level as the other classes; they're beneath them.

That is a class gamestyle - ganking. And proc sets are part of the game, all classes use them. Stamblades are as good as other stam builds.

Nellzer

Sarru wrote: »

BohnT wrote: »

I know that they are relatively good gankers but the target of this thread was to nerf ganking and buff them in open fights where they are outclassed by anything.
And by saying that you use proc sets and poisons you just show that the nb class doesn't bring enough to the table to be good on its own

I don't use proc sets btw and still ganking others.

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

You see that is what I can't stand. People say stamblades are fine because they stack a bunch of armor sets that do the fighting for you, and can take you out by attacking you while you're unprepared from stealth. If the main way a Nightblade can be successful is by ganking, they're not on the same level as the other classes; they're beneath them.

That is a class gamestyle - ganking. And proc sets are part of the game, all classes use them. Stamblades are as good as other stam builds.

Now that proc sets have been balanced, the damage sets (Selene, Veli) are only really strong on stamblade. And it has nothing to do with balance or that stamblades 'need' a set to do work for them. It has to do with the fact the stamblade gameplay (not gankers) rely around being very elusive and hard to hit, singling out people in 1vX and doing incredible burst. Veli and Selene fit into that playstyle perfectly. If you aren't using these sets on an open world stamblade build, then you're playing the wrong build. Period.

And not talking specifically to you Sarru, just saying, in general.

BohnT

Nellzer wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

A good medium armour stamblade is impossible to pin down if he makes clever use of roll dodge and cloak (or even shadow image), can burst you down to low health with incap whenever it's up (and 70 ulti still isnt much) and pretty much forces you to fight on his terms because you simply cant hit him if he doesnt overextend and let you.

These are the type of people that think stamblades are too powerful. The inexperienced or simply unskilled. What you're describing to me is someone that has no idea how to defend against cloak; which is easily the easiest defense mechanic to defend against in the game.

Bad players are the reason why a move like wrecking blow got nerfed; a move that was garbage to begin with. And it will be because of bad players that stamblades don't receive their much needed buff.

Could have fooled me. All the points he touches on are basically how a NB 1vxer or medium armor wearing NB should think. Not all classes have hurricane and 15 barspots to choose from.

Might be that your inexperience is showing. Ive been lured to the ring around the tree or rock climbing game too many times just to observe how the real slippery players get away. You might want to pay attention, might learn something.

Can't tell if kidding or just simply ignorant. How many good stamblades need to come in here and explain how good they are, even go as far as posting video proof (Crescent) of stamblade gameplay shitting on sorcs, templars, dks while wearing medium armor?

YOUR inexperience is absolutely glaring. This threads needs to be closed. The reason this topic exists is because stamblades have probably the highest skill cap in the game. It comes down to the fact that 99% of everyone that rolled a stamblade while they were top of the food chain was getting carried by proc sets and felt like they were gods. Now that proc sets are balanced and you actually have to play the class the way it was meant to be played, everyone is going nuts.

OP, stop asking for discussion on why they are or aren't strong. They're incredibly strong. Please take a couple of hours and watch Crescent's gameplay videos, or any other popular YT stamblade and learn how to play the class effectively. If you aren't a strong gamer when it comes to mechanics, awareness and reaction time then you may just want to pick an easier class.

And for the people using that as argument, just stop. Every game has harder and easier classes. Before they made the game so braindead easy, rogues in WoW had a much higher skill cap than most other classes, but played to their highest potential a rogue could carry 2 other scrub rivals to Gladiator with ease.

Oh nice the good old L2P advice combined with look what streamer xy can do on the class.
Guess what I know all these videos but most of them wreck some scrubs over and over again. I can do exactly the same thing against most of them but against any other player which have the same skill level stamnb sucks. In any situation I'd choose every other class as a group member in PvP outside of ganking because that's where they excell.
Fighting in a tower? A mag sorc provides more burst with butter survivability, magplar heals you all the time, mag dk gives you pressure, shields and synergy, magblade gives you shields, has better survivability and healing. Stamdk tanks enemies for you, stamplar has cleanse and undodgeable jabs for other nbs, stam sorc has massive aoe, mobility and passive execute

Stamnb has decent spammable, nice cc but less survivability than the others and dead burst is crap burst.

I didn't want to say it but stamblades didn't win any relevant duel tournament in the last few months, see they are bad against good players.

Lokey0024

Nellzer wrote: »

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Valencer wrote: »

A good medium armour stamblade is impossible to pin down if he makes clever use of roll dodge and cloak (or even shadow image), can burst you down to low health with incap whenever it's up (and 70 ulti still isnt much) and pretty much forces you to fight on his terms because you simply cant hit him if he doesnt overextend and let you.

These are the type of people that think stamblades are too powerful. The inexperienced or simply unskilled. What you're describing to me is someone that has no idea how to defend against cloak; which is easily the easiest defense mechanic to defend against in the game.

Bad players are the reason why a move like wrecking blow got nerfed; a move that was garbage to begin with. And it will be because of bad players that stamblades don't receive their much needed buff.

Could have fooled me. All the points he touches on are basically how a NB 1vxer or medium armor wearing NB should think. Not all classes have hurricane and 15 barspots to choose from.

Might be that your inexperience is showing. Ive been lured to the ring around the tree or rock climbing game too many times just to observe how the real slippery players get away. You might want to pay attention, might learn something.

Can't tell if kidding or just simply ignorant. How many good stamblades need to come in here and explain how good they are, even go as far as posting video proof (Crescent) of stamblade gameplay shitting on sorcs, templars, dks while wearing medium armor?

YOUR inexperience is absolutely glaring. This threads needs to be closed. The reason this topic exists is because stamblades have probably the highest skill cap in the game. It comes down to the fact that 99% of everyone that rolled a stamblade while they were top of the food chain was getting carried by proc sets and felt like they were gods. Now that proc sets are balanced and you actually have to play the class the way it was meant to be played, everyone is going nuts.

OP, stop asking for discussion on why they are or aren't strong. They're incredibly strong. Please take a couple of hours and watch Crescent's gameplay videos, or any other popular YT stamblade and learn how to play the class effectively. If you aren't a strong gamer when it comes to mechanics, awareness and reaction time then you may just want to pick an easier class.

And for the people using that as argument, just stop. Every game has harder and easier classes. Before they made the game so braindead easy, rogues in WoW had a much higher skill cap than most other classes, but played to their highest potential a rogue could carry 2 other scrub rivals to Gladiator with ease.

Cant tell if "special" or just a spaz

Did you even read any of the convo. before stomping in here with A little tantrum?

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