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The Issue with Eye of the Storm (Destruction Ultimate Morph)
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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Then focus on this broken Ultimate instead of Stamina users.
I actually hate soccer, despite being surrounded by football-fanatic friends. I meant soccer, but that was missing the "f", and they even tricked me into having to watch a match in stadium. That was pretty bad. (>.>)Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's not an issue about Magicka versus Stamina but an issue about the balance of the game as a whole. Trying to create a divide amongst the players only makes them weaker when going up against the monkey developer that gives them these balance problems.
Right. Just swallow it and wait until ZOS finally push the button. And then complain in the bunker or wastelands why no one did anything. Great attitude, won't let you down.Lava_Croft wrote: »Hi stop the QQ about Magicka suffering from Stamina and Stamina suffering from Magicka. It's all broken as ***.
If you want to be a hooligan go to your local football club on a sunday afternoon and beat up some folks from the other team.
Anyway, point is I'm voicing my opinion instead of just accepting broken things. Trying to give constructive feedback. Think you're in the same boat, but that came out pretty unclear.
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✭The more powerful it is, the more obvious the warning telegraph needs to be.
Hiding any kind of telegraph is not an option.Anything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
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✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Then focus on this broken Ultimate instead of Stamina users.
I actually hate soccer, despite being surrounded by football-fanatic friends. I meant soccer, but that was missing the "f", and they even tricked me into having to watch a match in stadium. That was pretty bad. (>.>)Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's not an issue about Magicka versus Stamina but an issue about the balance of the game as a whole. Trying to create a divide amongst the players only makes them weaker when going up against the monkey developer that gives them these balance problems.
Right. Just swallow it and wait until ZOS finally push the button. And then complain in the bunker or wastelands why no one did anything. Great attitude, won't let you down.Lava_Croft wrote: »Hi stop the QQ about Magicka suffering from Stamina and Stamina suffering from Magicka. It's all broken as ***.
If you want to be a hooligan go to your local football club on a sunday afternoon and beat up some folks from the other team.
Anyway, point is I'm voicing my opinion instead of just accepting broken things. Trying to give constructive feedback. Think you're in the same boat, but that came out pretty unclear.
My point is that it's not broken in the current meta. Proc sets, that are exclusive to stamina, are just as bad. It is fair.
And regarding stamina users, your main argument against EotS is something magicka users had to deal with the longest time, but now it's not okay all of a sudden. The topic creator specifically moans about this and Soul Assault, because all of a sudden, stamina builds are forced to be in our shoes as well. And it simply amuses me how you can't deal with that. Realizing how bad some fundamental moves screw your build might teach us a valuable lesson about ESO PvP in total.
In short words: ranged builds need to be able to kite the damage of close-range builds, and defensive maneuvers like block or dodge need to be brought in line with shields to the point they are equal and don't require hard counters as shield breaker and soul assault. I hope everyone finally got that memo now.1 -
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✭Dangerous thought time....
Bearing in mind tanks do little damage....and struggle with content alone
Bearing in mind healers should also do little damage...and should struggle with content alone
Bearing in mind DD should have little mitigation and healing....and should struggle with content alone.
Should Resto Ulitmate in fact be destructive/defensive ?
Should Destro Ulitmate in fact be restorative/defensive ?
Should 1h/s ultimate in fact be destructive/restorative ?
Consider them boons of the gods to make up for their weaknesses.
That way instead of amplifying the already powerful aspects....you're empowering the weakest apsects.
Thus putting everyone on a more even footing and significantly reducing the TTK gap..
..just a thought.Edited by Rune_Relic on 10 November 2016 11:26Anything that can be exploited will be exploited0 -
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Would be good for solo play and closer to a true Elder-Scrolls-feel. But it would water down the team-finding aspect on which this game is built upon. I would like it, but it's just not gonna happen.Rune_Relic wrote: »Dangerous thought time....
Bearing in mind tanks do little damage....and struggle with content alone
Bearing in mind healers should also do little damage...and should struggle with content alone
Bearing in mind DD should have little mitigation and healing....and should struggle with content alone.
Should Resto Ulitmate in fact be destructive/defensive ?
Should Destro Ulitmate in fact be restorative/defensive ?
Should 1h/s ultimate in fact be destructive/restorative ?
Consider them boons of the gods to make up for their weaknesses.
That way instead of amplifying the already powerful aspects....you're empowering the weakest apsects.
Thus putting everyone on a more even footing and significantly reducing the TTK gap..
..just a thought.
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Two broken things do not cancel each other out and make it unbroken. This is the train of thought that leads to ESO's PvP being even worse than it already is. Having one broken thing does in no way justify having another broken thing. Instead of defending something that is broken because something else also broken, try looking at how to fix both things. There are many threads about the broken state of Stamina Proc gear, but this thread is about the broken state of Eye of Bullcrap.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Then focus on this broken Ultimate instead of Stamina users.
I actually hate soccer, despite being surrounded by football-fanatic friends. I meant soccer, but that was missing the "f", and they even tricked me into having to watch a match in stadium. That was pretty bad. (>.>)Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's not an issue about Magicka versus Stamina but an issue about the balance of the game as a whole. Trying to create a divide amongst the players only makes them weaker when going up against the monkey developer that gives them these balance problems.
Right. Just swallow it and wait until ZOS finally push the button. And then complain in the bunker or wastelands why no one did anything. Great attitude, won't let you down.Lava_Croft wrote: »Hi stop the QQ about Magicka suffering from Stamina and Stamina suffering from Magicka. It's all broken as ***.
If you want to be a hooligan go to your local football club on a sunday afternoon and beat up some folks from the other team.
Anyway, point is I'm voicing my opinion instead of just accepting broken things. Trying to give constructive feedback. Think you're in the same boat, but that came out pretty unclear.
My point is that it's not broken in the current meta. Proc sets, that are exclusive to stamina, are just as bad. It is fair.
And regarding stamina users, your main argument against EotS is something magicka users had to deal with the longest time, but now it's not okay all of a sudden. The topic creator specifically moans about this and Soul Assault, because all of a sudden, stamina builds are forced to be in our shoes as well. And it simply amuses me how you can't deal with that. Realizing how bad some fundamental moves screw your build might teach us a valuable lesson about ESO PvP in total.
In short words: ranged builds need to be able to kite the damage of close-range builds, and defensive maneuvers like block or dodge need to be brought in line with shields to the point they are equal and don't require hard counters as shield breaker and soul assault. I hope everyone finally got that memo now.
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✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Then focus on this broken Ultimate instead of Stamina users.
I actually hate soccer, despite being surrounded by football-fanatic friends. I meant soccer, but that was missing the "f", and they even tricked me into having to watch a match in stadium. That was pretty bad. (>.>)Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's not an issue about Magicka versus Stamina but an issue about the balance of the game as a whole. Trying to create a divide amongst the players only makes them weaker when going up against the monkey developer that gives them these balance problems.
Right. Just swallow it and wait until ZOS finally push the button. And then complain in the bunker or wastelands why no one did anything. Great attitude, won't let you down.Lava_Croft wrote: »Hi stop the QQ about Magicka suffering from Stamina and Stamina suffering from Magicka. It's all broken as ***.
If you want to be a hooligan go to your local football club on a sunday afternoon and beat up some folks from the other team.
Anyway, point is I'm voicing my opinion instead of just accepting broken things. Trying to give constructive feedback. Think you're in the same boat, but that came out pretty unclear.
My point is that it's not broken in the current meta. Proc sets, that are exclusive to stamina, are just as bad. It is fair.
And regarding stamina users, your main argument against EotS is something magicka users had to deal with the longest time, but now it's not okay all of a sudden. The topic creator specifically moans about this and Soul Assault, because all of a sudden, stamina builds are forced to be in our shoes as well. And it simply amuses me how you can't deal with that. Realizing how bad some fundamental moves screw your build might teach us a valuable lesson about ESO PvP in total.
In short words: ranged builds need to be able to kite the damage of close-range builds, and defensive maneuvers like block or dodge need to be brought in line with shields to the point they are equal and don't require hard counters as shield breaker and soul assault. I hope everyone finally got that memo now.
Agreed about kiting potential gap closers need the same streak penalty, but magicka builds are still strong and will always be stronger in PVP I just don't get the stam hate I mean the devs even has hard data proving that 501+ CP pvpers wear mostly Light Armor with Heavy being least popular.
Didn't mean to make that long post but just had to reiterate how biased the start of the game was now that stam builds can even come close to competing everyone hates them.Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
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✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Two broken things do not cancel each other out and make it unbroken. This is the train of thought that leads to ESO's PvP being even worse than it already is. Having one broken thing does in no way justify having another broken thing. Instead of defending something that is broken because something else also broken, try looking at how to fix both things. There are many threads about the broken state of Stamina Proc gear, but this thread is about the broken state of Eye of Bullcrap.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Then focus on this broken Ultimate instead of Stamina users.
I actually hate soccer, despite being surrounded by football-fanatic friends. I meant soccer, but that was missing the "f", and they even tricked me into having to watch a match in stadium. That was pretty bad. (>.>)Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's not an issue about Magicka versus Stamina but an issue about the balance of the game as a whole. Trying to create a divide amongst the players only makes them weaker when going up against the monkey developer that gives them these balance problems.
Right. Just swallow it and wait until ZOS finally push the button. And then complain in the bunker or wastelands why no one did anything. Great attitude, won't let you down.Lava_Croft wrote: »Hi stop the QQ about Magicka suffering from Stamina and Stamina suffering from Magicka. It's all broken as ***.
If you want to be a hooligan go to your local football club on a sunday afternoon and beat up some folks from the other team.
Anyway, point is I'm voicing my opinion instead of just accepting broken things. Trying to give constructive feedback. Think you're in the same boat, but that came out pretty unclear.
My point is that it's not broken in the current meta. Proc sets, that are exclusive to stamina, are just as bad. It is fair.
And regarding stamina users, your main argument against EotS is something magicka users had to deal with the longest time, but now it's not okay all of a sudden. The topic creator specifically moans about this and Soul Assault, because all of a sudden, stamina builds are forced to be in our shoes as well. And it simply amuses me how you can't deal with that. Realizing how bad some fundamental moves screw your build might teach us a valuable lesson about ESO PvP in total.
In short words: ranged builds need to be able to kite the damage of close-range builds, and defensive maneuvers like block or dodge need to be brought in line with shields to the point they are equal and don't require hard counters as shield breaker and soul assault. I hope everyone finally got that memo now.
Yeah, but no one cared about shield breaker to combat broken shields. And that set is still there! But behold when magicka builds get a solid counter for dodgers and close-range combatants, all of a sudden it's broken and stuff. The OP and many posters voiced their general disappointment with magicka builds, not only EotS or SA. And I am here to make you guys understand that this is exactly what shield breaker and dodge/evade did to us. It's an attempt to make everyone learn from that.
And for this discussion specifically, I'm trying to make you understand that EotS should go through block, dodge and cloak. It's supposed to be the very-needed counter to stamina's mobility. And while it's a bit strong at the moment, it must retain that role or we're back at DB status.0 -
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✭✭✭Anti_Virus wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Then focus on this broken Ultimate instead of Stamina users.
I actually hate soccer, despite being surrounded by football-fanatic friends. I meant soccer, but that was missing the "f", and they even tricked me into having to watch a match in stadium. That was pretty bad. (>.>)Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's not an issue about Magicka versus Stamina but an issue about the balance of the game as a whole. Trying to create a divide amongst the players only makes them weaker when going up against the monkey developer that gives them these balance problems.
Right. Just swallow it and wait until ZOS finally push the button. And then complain in the bunker or wastelands why no one did anything. Great attitude, won't let you down.Lava_Croft wrote: »Hi stop the QQ about Magicka suffering from Stamina and Stamina suffering from Magicka. It's all broken as ***.
If you want to be a hooligan go to your local football club on a sunday afternoon and beat up some folks from the other team.
Anyway, point is I'm voicing my opinion instead of just accepting broken things. Trying to give constructive feedback. Think you're in the same boat, but that came out pretty unclear.
My point is that it's not broken in the current meta. Proc sets, that are exclusive to stamina, are just as bad. It is fair.
And regarding stamina users, your main argument against EotS is something magicka users had to deal with the longest time, but now it's not okay all of a sudden. The topic creator specifically moans about this and Soul Assault, because all of a sudden, stamina builds are forced to be in our shoes as well. And it simply amuses me how you can't deal with that. Realizing how bad some fundamental moves screw your build might teach us a valuable lesson about ESO PvP in total.
In short words: ranged builds need to be able to kite the damage of close-range builds, and defensive maneuvers like block or dodge need to be brought in line with shields to the point they are equal and don't require hard counters as shield breaker and soul assault. I hope everyone finally got that memo now.
Agreed about kiting potential gap closers need the same streak penalty, but magicka builds are still strong and will always be stronger in PVP I just don't get the stam hate I mean the devs even has hard data proving that 501+ CP pvpers wear mostly Light Armor with Heavy being least popular.
Didn't mean to make that long post but just had to reiterate how biased the start of the game was now that stam builds can even come close to competing everyone hates them.
Nah, ZOS's stats are questionable. Stam builds had the luxury of advantageous CP stars and still have em. They hit harder, burst easier, have better sustain and sets. Just look at mag vs stam blades. Stamblades, with the exception of bombs, have always been so much better. Magicka users hate stamina builds because stam gets some deciding advantages and magicka has to work pretty hard to get same results.0 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
Then focus on this broken Ultimate instead of Stamina users.
I actually hate soccer, despite being surrounded by football-fanatic friends. I meant soccer, but that was missing the "f", and they even tricked me into having to watch a match in stadium. That was pretty bad. (>.>)Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's not an issue about Magicka versus Stamina but an issue about the balance of the game as a whole. Trying to create a divide amongst the players only makes them weaker when going up against the monkey developer that gives them these balance problems.
Right. Just swallow it and wait until ZOS finally push the button. And then complain in the bunker or wastelands why no one did anything. Great attitude, won't let you down.Lava_Croft wrote: »Hi stop the QQ about Magicka suffering from Stamina and Stamina suffering from Magicka. It's all broken as ***.
If you want to be a hooligan go to your local football club on a sunday afternoon and beat up some folks from the other team.
Anyway, point is I'm voicing my opinion instead of just accepting broken things. Trying to give constructive feedback. Think you're in the same boat, but that came out pretty unclear.
My point is that it's not broken in the current meta. Proc sets, that are exclusive to stamina, are just as bad. It is fair.
And regarding stamina users, your main argument against EotS is something magicka users had to deal with the longest time, but now it's not okay all of a sudden. The topic creator specifically moans about this and Soul Assault, because all of a sudden, stamina builds are forced to be in our shoes as well. And it simply amuses me how you can't deal with that. Realizing how bad some fundamental moves screw your build might teach us a valuable lesson about ESO PvP in total.
In short words: ranged builds need to be able to kite the damage of close-range builds, and defensive maneuvers like block or dodge need to be brought in line with shields to the point they are equal and don't require hard counters as shield breaker and soul assault. I hope everyone finally got that memo now.
Look we get it - your bitterness knows no bounds. After taking a quick look at your post history, I'm amazed that you continue playing this game as much as you hate it and everyone who plays it. You act like every person who plays a stamina build is playing a cheesy multiproc build and that they all deserve to be punished by unavoidable deaths to EOTS. However, that kind of hateful rhetoric is ridiculous. There are literally DOZENS of threads about proc builds where that is being discussed and where you might find some group therapy. This thread is about EOTS and these topics need not be intertwined just because you are bitter.PC/NA
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Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
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Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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No one cared about Shield Breaker? Do I really need to link you all the forum threads about it?Lava_Croft wrote: »
Two broken things do not cancel each other out and make it unbroken. This is the train of thought that leads to ESO's PvP being even worse than it already is. Having one broken thing does in no way justify having another broken thing. Instead of defending something that is broken because something else also broken, try looking at how to fix both things. There are many threads about the broken state of Stamina Proc gear, but this thread is about the broken state of Eye of Bullcrap.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Then focus on this broken Ultimate instead of Stamina users.
I actually hate soccer, despite being surrounded by football-fanatic friends. I meant soccer, but that was missing the "f", and they even tricked me into having to watch a match in stadium. That was pretty bad. (>.>)Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's not an issue about Magicka versus Stamina but an issue about the balance of the game as a whole. Trying to create a divide amongst the players only makes them weaker when going up against the monkey developer that gives them these balance problems.
Right. Just swallow it and wait until ZOS finally push the button. And then complain in the bunker or wastelands why no one did anything. Great attitude, won't let you down.Lava_Croft wrote: »Hi stop the QQ about Magicka suffering from Stamina and Stamina suffering from Magicka. It's all broken as ***.
If you want to be a hooligan go to your local football club on a sunday afternoon and beat up some folks from the other team.
Anyway, point is I'm voicing my opinion instead of just accepting broken things. Trying to give constructive feedback. Think you're in the same boat, but that came out pretty unclear.
My point is that it's not broken in the current meta. Proc sets, that are exclusive to stamina, are just as bad. It is fair.
And regarding stamina users, your main argument against EotS is something magicka users had to deal with the longest time, but now it's not okay all of a sudden. The topic creator specifically moans about this and Soul Assault, because all of a sudden, stamina builds are forced to be in our shoes as well. And it simply amuses me how you can't deal with that. Realizing how bad some fundamental moves screw your build might teach us a valuable lesson about ESO PvP in total.
In short words: ranged builds need to be able to kite the damage of close-range builds, and defensive maneuvers like block or dodge need to be brought in line with shields to the point they are equal and don't require hard counters as shield breaker and soul assault. I hope everyone finally got that memo now.
Yeah, but no one cared about shield breaker to combat broken shields. And that set is still there! But behold when magicka builds get a solid counter for dodgers and close-range combatants, all of a sudden it's broken and stuff. The OP and many posters voiced their general disappointment with magicka builds, not only EotS or SA. And I am here to make you guys understand that this is exactly what shield breaker and dodge/evade did to us. It's an attempt to make everyone learn from that.
And for this discussion specifically, I'm trying to make you understand that EotS should go through block, dodge and cloak. It's supposed to be the very-needed counter to stamina's mobility. And while it's a bit strong at the moment, it must retain that role or we're back at DB status.
Eye of Bullcrap doesn't hurt Stamina builds as much as it hurts Magicka builds. It doesn't hurt Medium and Heavy Armor users as much as it hurts Light Armor users.
And please stop talking about "harm done to us", you don't speak for anyone except yourself and thankfully most people do not talk about gear and abilities like they are suffering from a severe case of PTSD.1 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
No one cared about Shield Breaker? Do I really need to link you all the forum threads about it?Lava_Croft wrote: »
Two broken things do not cancel each other out and make it unbroken. This is the train of thought that leads to ESO's PvP being even worse than it already is. Having one broken thing does in no way justify having another broken thing. Instead of defending something that is broken because something else also broken, try looking at how to fix both things. There are many threads about the broken state of Stamina Proc gear, but this thread is about the broken state of Eye of Bullcrap.Lava_Croft wrote: »
Then focus on this broken Ultimate instead of Stamina users.
I actually hate soccer, despite being surrounded by football-fanatic friends. I meant soccer, but that was missing the "f", and they even tricked me into having to watch a match in stadium. That was pretty bad. (>.>)Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's not an issue about Magicka versus Stamina but an issue about the balance of the game as a whole. Trying to create a divide amongst the players only makes them weaker when going up against the monkey developer that gives them these balance problems.
Right. Just swallow it and wait until ZOS finally push the button. And then complain in the bunker or wastelands why no one did anything. Great attitude, won't let you down.Lava_Croft wrote: »Hi stop the QQ about Magicka suffering from Stamina and Stamina suffering from Magicka. It's all broken as ***.
If you want to be a hooligan go to your local football club on a sunday afternoon and beat up some folks from the other team.
Anyway, point is I'm voicing my opinion instead of just accepting broken things. Trying to give constructive feedback. Think you're in the same boat, but that came out pretty unclear.
My point is that it's not broken in the current meta. Proc sets, that are exclusive to stamina, are just as bad. It is fair.
And regarding stamina users, your main argument against EotS is something magicka users had to deal with the longest time, but now it's not okay all of a sudden. The topic creator specifically moans about this and Soul Assault, because all of a sudden, stamina builds are forced to be in our shoes as well. And it simply amuses me how you can't deal with that. Realizing how bad some fundamental moves screw your build might teach us a valuable lesson about ESO PvP in total.
In short words: ranged builds need to be able to kite the damage of close-range builds, and defensive maneuvers like block or dodge need to be brought in line with shields to the point they are equal and don't require hard counters as shield breaker and soul assault. I hope everyone finally got that memo now.
Yeah, but no one cared about shield breaker to combat broken shields. And that set is still there! But behold when magicka builds get a solid counter for dodgers and close-range combatants, all of a sudden it's broken and stuff. The OP and many posters voiced their general disappointment with magicka builds, not only EotS or SA. And I am here to make you guys understand that this is exactly what shield breaker and dodge/evade did to us. It's an attempt to make everyone learn from that.
And for this discussion specifically, I'm trying to make you understand that EotS should go through block, dodge and cloak. It's supposed to be the very-needed counter to stamina's mobility. And while it's a bit strong at the moment, it must retain that role or we're back at DB status.
Eye of Bullcrap doesn't hurt Stamina builds as much as it hurts Magicka builds. It doesn't hurt Medium and Heavy Armor users as much as it hurts Light Armor users.
And please stop talking about "harm done to us", you don't speak for anyone except yourself and thankfully most people do not talk about gear and abilities like they are suffering from a severe case of PTSD.
When ESO is life, but you hate everything and everyone. lolPC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
Kutsuu the Destroyer - NB
Kutsuu - Temp
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Anti_Virus✭✭✭✭✭
✭Anti_Virus wrote: »Lava_Croft wrote: »
Then focus on this broken Ultimate instead of Stamina users.
I actually hate soccer, despite being surrounded by football-fanatic friends. I meant soccer, but that was missing the "f", and they even tricked me into having to watch a match in stadium. That was pretty bad. (>.>)Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's not an issue about Magicka versus Stamina but an issue about the balance of the game as a whole. Trying to create a divide amongst the players only makes them weaker when going up against the monkey developer that gives them these balance problems.
Right. Just swallow it and wait until ZOS finally push the button. And then complain in the bunker or wastelands why no one did anything. Great attitude, won't let you down.Lava_Croft wrote: »Hi stop the QQ about Magicka suffering from Stamina and Stamina suffering from Magicka. It's all broken as ***.
If you want to be a hooligan go to your local football club on a sunday afternoon and beat up some folks from the other team.
Anyway, point is I'm voicing my opinion instead of just accepting broken things. Trying to give constructive feedback. Think you're in the same boat, but that came out pretty unclear.
My point is that it's not broken in the current meta. Proc sets, that are exclusive to stamina, are just as bad. It is fair.
And regarding stamina users, your main argument against EotS is something magicka users had to deal with the longest time, but now it's not okay all of a sudden. The topic creator specifically moans about this and Soul Assault, because all of a sudden, stamina builds are forced to be in our shoes as well. And it simply amuses me how you can't deal with that. Realizing how bad some fundamental moves screw your build might teach us a valuable lesson about ESO PvP in total.
In short words: ranged builds need to be able to kite the damage of close-range builds, and defensive maneuvers like block or dodge need to be brought in line with shields to the point they are equal and don't require hard counters as shield breaker and soul assault. I hope everyone finally got that memo now.
Agreed about kiting potential gap closers need the same streak penalty, but magicka builds are still strong and will always be stronger in PVP I just don't get the stam hate I mean the devs even has hard data proving that 501+ CP pvpers wear mostly Light Armor with Heavy being least popular.
Didn't mean to make that long post but just had to reiterate how biased the start of the game was now that stam builds can even come close to competing everyone hates them.
Nah, ZOS's stats are questionable. Stam builds had the luxury of advantageous CP stars and still have em. They hit harder, burst easier, have better sustain and sets. Just look at mag vs stam blades. Stamblades, with the exception of bombs, have always been so much better. Magicka users hate stamina builds because stam gets some deciding advantages and magicka has to work pretty hard to get same results.
Are you saying that Zos is lying? If so I don't see why they would lie to prove a point. But they could be you never know.
I would argue that magicka burst easier especially sorcs in a recent patch they made Curse go through block so is has no counter, al why camping mines shield stacking and dropping atros at the safety of range.
As for sustained sets you still win in that department you have suducer, Warlock, Litch to name a few which sustains magicka I think you mean stam has better resources management and yeah I agree but thats because we have more cost reduction if they cost the same a magicka it would be unbalanced since we share our resource pool with dodge and block.
The only advantage stam has in CP is unchained and even that can benefit you to slot shuffle and each time you CC break you cast it for free, gain 20% dodge plus 3 shields and mine camp= win. You don't have to work hard you didn't have to in the past and you definitely don't have to now magicka is still Top dps in PVE and you have plenty of options to deal dmg stam builds are forced to go DW/Bow for dps.
Edited by Anti_Virus on 10 November 2016 14:40Power Wealth And Influence.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭And yet, shield breaker is still there, CP is still in favor of stamina, and so on. I am not bitter, I am very pleased you finally get a taste of your own medicine.
So, besides crying how a Dawnbreaker-like OP ultimate is dooming us, what do you actually suggest as a fix?0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭More crying about EoTS by people that apparently can't tell the difference between it and the stationary morph.
I killed like one person streaking into them yesterday with EoTS. One. People normally moving away did just fine, and the damage ticks never exceeded 5K. Most were 3-4K
The potatoes absolutely sat and boiled in the stationary morph though. I cast it right on top of myself practically, and watched the AP flow in the fire storm. They sat there. Trying so hard to kill me they sat in a huge fire vortex with 20% extra damage. Try harder potatoes.
This was TF for about four hours last night. I used both. I'm going to have to say this is an L2P issue, and maybe add a bigger red circle.
Eye of Bullcrap? More like "Tunnel Vision Try-Hard"Edited by Minalan on 10 November 2016 14:510 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭And yet, shield breaker is still there, CP is still in favor of stamina, and so on. I am not bitter, I am very pleased you finally get a taste of your own medicine.
So, besides crying how a Dawnbreaker-like OP ultimate is dooming us, what do you actually suggest as a fix?
Shield breaker was never OP, and at the time that sorcs were crying about it, they were only doing so because shield breaker was literally the *ONLY* thing that could kill them with their 20 second duration 30k+ shield stacks. The game was obviously broken when they actually died in PVP.
I simply suggest a 40% reduction to the cost of EOTS (from 250 to 150 ultimate) along with a 40% reduction in damage. It would also make sense if block mitigation worked on it (just like Soul Assault), but I won't hold my breath for that.PC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
Kutsuu the Destroyer - NB
Kutsuu - Temp
Natsu Dragoneel - DK
Kutsumo - NB0 -
Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I was actually tempted to switch to EotS, I haven't been running it lately for a couple of reasons, but mostly because I don't want to always have to be at the center of the damage. One change I would suggest to the morph would be to make it cast on an enemy as the Eye of the Storm, like Inevitable Det....100% current damage on the target, 20% reduced to everyone else within the radius.Edited by Sandman929 on 10 November 2016 15:340 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »Hooray more double and triple posting from some Stamina user with a serious case of PTSD.
WTB a game without the stamina/magicka divide
Yesterady I tried a stam 2h toon I'm leveling. Since I have no access to vigor, I used strife for healing and it was glorious.
strife -> crit rush -> light attack -> dodge rollSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
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Seems like you are just like Wrobel and trying to balance around total noobs.More crying about EoTS by people that apparently can't tell the difference between it and the stationary morph.
I killed like one person streaking into them yesterday with EoTS. One. People normally moving away did just fine, and the damage ticks never exceeded 5K. Most were 3-4K
The potatoes absolutely sat and boiled in the stationary morph though. I cast it right on top of myself practically, and watched the AP flow in the fire storm. They sat there. Trying so hard to kill me they sat in a huge fire vortex with 20% extra damage. Try harder potatoes.
This was TF for about four hours last night. I used both. I'm going to have to say this is an L2P issue, and maybe add a bigger red circle.
Eye of Bullcrap? More like "Tunnel Vision Try-Hard"
Good job?
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Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I simply suggest a 40% reduction to the cost of EOTS (from 250 to 150 ultimate) along with a 40% reduction in damage. It would also make sense if block mitigation worked on it (just like Soul Assault), but I won't hold my breath for that.
I believe you're describing Bat Swarm, without the heal.0 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »I simply suggest a 40% reduction to the cost of EOTS (from 250 to 150 ultimate) along with a 40% reduction in damage. It would also make sense if block mitigation worked on it (just like Soul Assault), but I won't hold my breath for that.
I believe you're describing Bat Swarm, without the heal.
I have a feeling that even with 40% damage reduction, it's still going to do a lot more damage than bat swarm.PC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
Kutsuu the Destroyer - NB
Kutsuu - Temp
Natsu Dragoneel - DK
Kutsumo - NB0 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭More crying about EoTS by people that apparently can't tell the difference between it and the stationary morph.
I killed like one person streaking into them yesterday with EoTS. One. People normally moving away did just fine, and the damage ticks never exceeded 5K. Most were 3-4K
The potatoes absolutely sat and boiled in the stationary morph though. I cast it right on top of myself practically, and watched the AP flow in the fire storm. They sat there. Trying so hard to kill me they sat in a huge fire vortex with 20% extra damage. Try harder potatoes.
This was TF for about four hours last night. I used both. I'm going to have to say this is an L2P issue, and maybe add a bigger red circle.
Eye of Bullcrap? More like "Tunnel Vision Try-Hard"
It's really not as much of an issue when used in builds that aren't even remotely optimized for it, like yours. However, if someone intelligent picks it up and combines it with immovable pots and a gap closer (or vamp mist if zerg busting), maybe even adds clever alchemist... it's a different story. To be clear, I'm not accusing you of not being intelligent, but I am accusing you of using it on a build that doesn't take advantage of it and acting like it's all good because it isn't great for you. Sorcs don't have a class gap closer like NBs and Templars do, so you don't have it as easy to destroy people with it... but you could always build FOR it and run 1h/s or 2h for a gap closer to spam.Edited by Kutsuu on 10 November 2016 16:37PC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
Kutsuu the Destroyer - NB
Kutsuu - Temp
Natsu Dragoneel - DK
Kutsumo - NB2 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭More crying about EoTS by people that apparently can't tell the difference between it and the stationary morph.
I killed like one person streaking into them yesterday with EoTS. One. People normally moving away did just fine, and the damage ticks never exceeded 5K. Most were 3-4K
The potatoes absolutely sat and boiled in the stationary morph though. I cast it right on top of myself practically, and watched the AP flow in the fire storm. They sat there. Trying so hard to kill me they sat in a huge fire vortex with 20% extra damage. Try harder potatoes.
This was TF for about four hours last night. I used both. I'm going to have to say this is an L2P issue, and maybe add a bigger red circle.
Eye of Bullcrap? More like "Tunnel Vision Try-Hard"
It's really not as much of an issue when used in builds that aren't even remotely optimized for it, like yours. However, if someone intelligent picks it up and combines it with immovable pots and a gap closer (or vamp mist if zerg busting), maybe even adds clever alchemist... it's a different story. To be clear, I'm not accusing you of not being intelligent, but I am accusing you of using it on a build that doesn't take advantage of it and acting like it's all good because it isn't great for you. Sorcs don't have a class gap closer like NBs and Templars do, so you don't have it as easy to destroy people with it... but you could always build FOR it and run 1h/s or 2h for a gap closer to spam.
what happesn if you CC the EotSer?
Seriously, I've not PVPed since last patch and I would like to try a crushing shock or a venom arrow on those guysSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭More crying about EoTS by people that apparently can't tell the difference between it and the stationary morph.
I killed like one person streaking into them yesterday with EoTS. One. People normally moving away did just fine, and the damage ticks never exceeded 5K. Most were 3-4K
The potatoes absolutely sat and boiled in the stationary morph though. I cast it right on top of myself practically, and watched the AP flow in the fire storm. They sat there. Trying so hard to kill me they sat in a huge fire vortex with 20% extra damage. Try harder potatoes.
This was TF for about four hours last night. I used both. I'm going to have to say this is an L2P issue, and maybe add a bigger red circle.
Eye of Bullcrap? More like "Tunnel Vision Try-Hard"
It's really not as much of an issue when used in builds that aren't even remotely optimized for it, like yours. However, if someone intelligent picks it up and combines it with immovable pots and a gap closer (or vamp mist if zerg busting), maybe even adds clever alchemist... it's a different story. To be clear, I'm not accusing you of not being intelligent, but I am accusing you of using it on a build that doesn't take advantage of it and acting like it's all good because it isn't great for you. Sorcs don't have a class gap closer like NBs and Templars do, so you don't have it as easy to destroy people with it... but you could always build FOR it and run 1h/s or 2h for a gap closer to spam.
what happesn if you CC the EotSer?
Seriously, I've not PVPed since last patch and I would like to try a crushing shock or a venom arrow on those guys
It's not a channel that can be interrupted. Most people using EOTS are using immovable pots, but even if you don't they can press break free and gap close you again.PC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
Kutsuu the Destroyer - NB
Kutsuu - Temp
Natsu Dragoneel - DK
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Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭
Soul Assault can be mitigated by block, and you can block cast heals or DPS abilities depending your own health and theirs. It's a pretty simple counter. Keep in mind it is also channeled and they can't do anything else while using it.Edited by Kutsuu on 10 November 2016 17:18PC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
Kutsuu the Destroyer - NB
Kutsuu - Temp
Natsu Dragoneel - DK
Kutsumo - NB0 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭More crying about EoTS by people that apparently can't tell the difference between it and the stationary morph.
I killed like one person streaking into them yesterday with EoTS. One. People normally moving away did just fine, and the damage ticks never exceeded 5K. Most were 3-4K
The potatoes absolutely sat and boiled in the stationary morph though. I cast it right on top of myself practically, and watched the AP flow in the fire storm. They sat there. Trying so hard to kill me they sat in a huge fire vortex with 20% extra damage. Try harder potatoes.
This was TF for about four hours last night. I used both. I'm going to have to say this is an L2P issue, and maybe add a bigger red circle.
Eye of Bullcrap? More like "Tunnel Vision Try-Hard"
It's really not as much of an issue when used in builds that aren't even remotely optimized for it, like yours. However, if someone intelligent picks it up and combines it with immovable pots and a gap closer (or vamp mist if zerg busting), maybe even adds clever alchemist... it's a different story. To be clear, I'm not accusing you of not being intelligent, but I am accusing you of using it on a build that doesn't take advantage of it and acting like it's all good because it isn't great for you. Sorcs don't have a class gap closer like NBs and Templars do, so you don't have it as easy to destroy people with it... but you could always build FOR it and run 1h/s or 2h for a gap closer to spam.
what happesn if you CC the EotSer?
Seriously, I've not PVPed since last patch and I would like to try a crushing shock or a venom arrow on those guys
It's not a channel that can be interrupted. Most people using EOTS are using immovable pots, but even if you don't they can press break free and gap close you again.
That's not good. It should be interruptable...
I think I'll go to the shop for a new mouse to see it with my own eyesSarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
I was born with the wrong sign
In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique0 -
Kutsuu✭✭✭✭✭I think Magicka NB makes the best EOTS troll build.
5x Burning spellweave OR 5x Vicious Death (1x armor, 3x jewelery, 1x fire staff front bar)
5x Clever Alchemist (4x armor + 1x Resto staff back bar)
2x Monster set - Maybe Grothdarr or Illambris
Setup - PVE up your ult, then stealth close to some enemies. Buff up (including proxy det) and hit an immovable pot on your resto bar, swap to your destro bar and lotus fan in, then trigger your ult. Continue spamming lotus fan on whoever you want to kill first. Use Mist Form if they try to focus you. Run away (or just die) once your ult is down and start back at step 1.Edited by Kutsuu on 10 November 2016 17:25PC/NA
Envy Me - Sorc
Kutsus - NB
Kutsmuffin - Temp
Kutsuu the Destroyer - NB
Kutsuu - Temp
Natsu Dragoneel - DK
Kutsumo - NB0 -
Lokey0024✭✭✭✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »
It's not an issue about Magicka versus Stamina but an issue about the balance of the game as a whole. Trying to create a divide amongst the players only makes them weaker when going up against the monkey developer that gives them these balance problems.
Right. Just swallow it and wait until ZOS finally push the button. And then complain in the bunker or wastelands why no one did anything. Great attitude, won't let you down.Lava_Croft wrote: »Hi stop the QQ about Magicka suffering from Stamina and Stamina suffering from Magicka. It's all broken as ***.
If you want to be a hooligan go to your local football club on a sunday afternoon and beat up some folks from the other team.I think Magicka NB makes the best EOTS troll build.
5x Burning spellweave OR 5x Vicious Death (1x armor, 3x jewelery, 1x fire staff front bar)
5x Clever Alchemist (4x armor + 1x Resto staff back bar)
2x Monster set - Maybe Grothdarr or Illambris
Setup - PVE up your ult, then stealth close to some enemies. Buff up (including proxy det) and hit an immovable pot on your resto bar, swap to your destro bar and lotus fan in, then trigger your ult. Continue spamming lotus fan on whoever you want to kill first. Use Mist Form if they try to focus you. Run away (or just die) once your ult is down and start back at step 1.
This is what i was seeing alot of last night. Or groups of 10 using destro ults and negate in towers. People didnt have a chance.0
