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The Issue with Eye of the Storm (Destruction Ultimate Morph)
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olsborg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »
Yes, the dmg needs to be toned down, or make it blockable, dodgeable or reduce the duration.
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Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »
Yes, the dmg needs to be toned down, or make it blockable, dodgeable or reduce the duration.
I would only want Eye of the Storm nerfed since the other morph is superior in PvE.3 -
booksmcread✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »
Yes, the dmg needs to be toned down, or make it blockable, dodgeable or reduce the duration.
I would only want Eye of the Storm nerfed since the other morph is superior in PvE.
They could just lower the damage ticks, but extend the duration. This would still make it powerful, but give you time to react.1 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭booksmcread wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »
Yes, the dmg needs to be toned down, or make it blockable, dodgeable or reduce the duration.
I would only want Eye of the Storm nerfed since the other morph is superior in PvE.
They could just lower the damage ticks, but extend the duration. This would still make it powerful, but give you time to react.
lol so revert it back to its original form? That's actually how the ultimate originally was before people whined about it on the PTS. So Wrobel buffed it to what it is now.0 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »booksmcread wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »
Yes, the dmg needs to be toned down, or make it blockable, dodgeable or reduce the duration.
I would only want Eye of the Storm nerfed since the other morph is superior in PvE.
They could just lower the damage ticks, but extend the duration. This would still make it powerful, but give you time to react.
lol so revert it back to its original form? That's actually how the ultimate originally was before people whined about it on the PTS. So Wrobel buffed it to what it is now.
Half of whiners in PTS don't even test the skill in the first place. I remember Stamsorcs QQing about Hurricane and Dark Deal and how they are useless in the DB patch. Guess what's the most broken class now?5 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »booksmcread wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »
Yes, the dmg needs to be toned down, or make it blockable, dodgeable or reduce the duration.
I would only want Eye of the Storm nerfed since the other morph is superior in PvE.
They could just lower the damage ticks, but extend the duration. This would still make it powerful, but give you time to react.
lol so revert it back to its original form? That's actually how the ultimate originally was before people whined about it on the PTS. So Wrobel buffed it to what it is now.
Half of whiners in PTS don't even test the skill in the first place. I remember Stamsorcs QQing about Hurricane and Dark Deal and how they are useless in the DB patch. Guess what's the most broken class now?
They should really remove the PTS section on the forums, and keep the QC within the PTS. By having a PTS section on the forums; it just invites ignorant whining.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭At this point I think you're trolling.
Anyway, damage is high but so is the cost. It really only needs a more obvious visual clue. It should counter block and dodge, as these are things magicka builds are having problems with.
Honestly, Soul Assault is a ranged Dawnbreaker, and Eye of the Storm an ultimate Hurricane. It's fair.11 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭At this point I think you're trolling.
Anyway, damage is high but so is the cost. It really only needs a more obvious visual clue. It should counter block and dodge, as these are things magicka builds are having problems with.
Honestly, Soul Assault is a ranged Dawnbreaker, and Eye of the Storm an ultimate Hurricane. It's fair.
If my Dawnbreaker had a tooltip of 100k I might believe you, but it's no where near that. Nothing about Eye of the Storm is fair. Thanks for confirming once again that the magicka as a whole has no sense of balance. To them if it's magicka, and OP it's balanced.5 -
susmitds✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭At this point I think you're trolling.
Anyway, damage is high but so is the cost. It really only needs a more obvious visual clue. It should counter block and dodge, as these are things magicka builds are having problems with.
Honestly, Soul Assault is a ranged Dawnbreaker, and Eye of the Storm an ultimate Hurricane. It's fair.
Gimme a 1000 cost guaranteed kill ultimate. I would happily use it.
Cost is a bad way to justify effect in PvP. Counterplay should come first and foremost.Edited by susmitds on 8 November 2016 18:435 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »booksmcread wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »Strider_Roshin wrote: »
Yes, the dmg needs to be toned down, or make it blockable, dodgeable or reduce the duration.
I would only want Eye of the Storm nerfed since the other morph is superior in PvE.
They could just lower the damage ticks, but extend the duration. This would still make it powerful, but give you time to react.
lol so revert it back to its original form? That's actually how the ultimate originally was before people whined about it on the PTS. So Wrobel buffed it to what it is now.
Half of whiners in PTS don't even test the skill in the first place. I remember Stamsorcs QQing about Hurricane and Dark Deal and how they are useless in the DB patch. Guess what's the most broken class now?
They should really remove the PTS section on the forums, and keep the QC within the PTS. By having a PTS section on the forums; it just invites ignorant whining.
Like this whole thread? Seriously if they put a better red circle around eye of the storm, it wouldn't be so bad. Obviously no red circle around friendly ones.
The ultimate is expensive, equal to TWO DAWN BREAKERS. You aren't supposed to be able to hold down one button and ignore it. Move!
The eye morph isn't even that bad. It's seven ticks at 3-5K each tops. You have time to jump out and heal up.
The eye morph has no CC.
No extra damage effects.
The radius isn't all that big.
Twice the cost of dawnbreaker.
Easy to get out of.
I've seen zergs use it, but the high cost makes it harder to coordinate four or five at once than a bunch of stam people with just Dawnbreaker.
Forget it. I give up. Just nerf the skill so magicka classes can go back to being ez-mode farmed.8 -
Xvorg✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Edited by Xvorg on 8 November 2016 18:53Sarcasm is something too serious to be taken lightly
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In the wrong house
With the wrong ascendancy
I took the wrong road
That led to the wrong tendencies
I was in the wrong place at the wrong time
For the wrong reason and the wrong rhyme
On the wrong day of the wrong week
Used the wrong method with the wrong technique2 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They need to do something with this ulti. ATM it feels like an I win button. Basically fights come down to tanking/sustaining until eye of storm is up then killing. Either you get proc'ed to death or you manage to survive long enough to ult and you win
I don't want it to be useless though =/0 -
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MagBlade the strongest? How long have ppl been sitting on this information? I should be steamrolling everything in Cyro
"We're all born under the same sky and on the same earth. Therefore, we all deserve the same amount of respect."
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Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They need to do something with this ulti. ATM it feels like an I win button. Basically fights come down to tanking/sustaining until eye of storm is up then killing. Either you get proc'ed to death or you manage to survive long enough to ult and you win
I don't want it to be useless though =/
If they reduce the damage on the eye morph or make it blockable it becomes a warm comfortable sauna for stam people, which is really what they want. Let's be honest.
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Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭At this point I think you're trolling.
Anyway, damage is high but so is the cost. It really only needs a more obvious visual clue. It should counter block and dodge, as these are things magicka builds are having problems with.
Honestly, Soul Assault is a ranged Dawnbreaker, and Eye of the Storm an ultimate Hurricane. It's fair.
Gimme a 1000 cost guaranteed kill ultimate. I would happily use it.
Cost is a bad way to justify effect in PvP. Counterplay should come first and foremost.
This is counter play to stam classes getting close to you the entire fight. You see someone with a staff they have one of these you might think twice about gapclose to Dawnbreaker. It supposed to be risk to reward with up close fighting. Better up close damage at a risk. Without this there is almost no risk. On my magic sorc Ive been tired of seeing "dodged". Now I can at least do something without seeing this the whole fight.1 -
Lava_Croft✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭This Ultimate is absolutely stupid. All you have to do is cast it and spam gap closers when solo or run with your blob when not solo and because of the ridiculous damage and the fact that you can't block it, people are unable to counter it. No, you cannot dodge roll or jump out of it, since it's centered around the player and all the player has to do is spam gap closers.
And the best part? It's not even Wrobel's fault this time. It's all the so-called pro players who whined about this Ultimate's DPS without even testing it, while at the same time crying at ZOS for never testing things.
But yeah, 2H Ultimate totally overpowered.Edited by Lava_Croft on 8 November 2016 19:037 -
Lexxypwns✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They need to do something with this ulti. ATM it feels like an I win button. Basically fights come down to tanking/sustaining until eye of storm is up then killing. Either you get proc'ed to death or you manage to survive long enough to ult and you win
I don't want it to be useless though =/
If they reduce the damage on the eye morph or make it blockable it becomes a warm comfortable sauna for stam people, which is really what they want. Let's be honest.
I understand the problems involved in balancing an ulti that ONLY provides damage, but in its current iteration it is FAR too strong. I think I've fought only 1 person to survive eye only to be killed seconds later after they blew all their resources to survive in execute range. Its stupid how strong this ability is and unfortunately idk what to do to fix it. You're right about reducing the damage too much making it useless, but right now its too strong.0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Couldn't these posts all be condensed into one giant I don't like dying to magicka builds on my stam character post?
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Koolio✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Lava_Croft wrote: »This Ultimate is absolutely stupid. All you have to do is cast it and spam gap closers when solo or run with your blob when not solo and because of the ridiculous damage and the fact that you can't block it, people are unable to counter it. No, you cannot dodge roll or jump out of it, since it's centered around the player and all the player has to do is spam gap closers.
And the best part? It's not even Wrobel's fault this time. It's all the so-called pro players who whined about this Ultimate's DPS without even testing it, while at the same time crying at ZOS for never testing things.
But yeah, 2H Ultimate totally overpowered.
As a stam class you can dodge and run much more than magic classes can. You can also snare, immobilize, knock back or down. In a group I can see a problem. If solo just CC them when you see them cast this move. Not the animation on the move just the character animation and back up enough. I've been using this on my nightblade and die a lot while using because I'm gapclosing not shielding. Gapclosing not healing. Gapclosing not paying attention. Change your bar to have a Hard and soft CC. If you alternating both most magic characters won't have any stam left. Trap beast Is accessible to everyone. It will solve the solo issue. Works on me and against everyone I fight with this.
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Correct, I also play the PTS when it comes out. My account name is different on PC though. I was also a beta tester for the PC version back in the day. Nightblades were horrible back then, but I played one anyways (teleport strike sold me lol).0 -
Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
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MagBlade the strongest? How long have ppl been sitting on this information? I should be steamrolling everything in Cyro
That's a dueling perspective, not open world.0 -
Minalan✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭They need to do something with this ulti. ATM it feels like an I win button. Basically fights come down to tanking/sustaining until eye of storm is up then killing. Either you get proc'ed to death or you manage to survive long enough to ult and you win
I don't want it to be useless though =/
If they reduce the damage on the eye morph or make it blockable it becomes a warm comfortable sauna for stam people, which is really what they want. Let's be honest.
I understand the problems involved in balancing an ulti that ONLY provides damage, but in its current iteration it is FAR too strong. I think I've fought only 1 person to survive eye only to be killed seconds later after they blew all their resources to survive in execute range. Its stupid how strong this ability is and unfortunately idk what to do to fix it. You're right about reducing the damage too much making it useless, but right now its too strong.
I'd be perfectly okay with making it a magicka dawnbreaker.
Reduce cost to 120.
Make it instant but blockable, but let us cancel the animation so you never ever see it coming except in the death recap.
Give it a huge initial damage tick, affected by the blue elemental CP and scaled off spell damage and max magicka.
Add a knockdown same as DB
Then add a big dot for people still standing in it, same as DB
Do lots of extra damage to vampires and werewolves for the hell of it.
But... I'm sure stam users would see this and ironically still call it overpowered.Edited by Minalan on 8 November 2016 19:222 -
arkansas_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭Strider_Roshin wrote: »At this point I think you're trolling.
Anyway, damage is high but so is the cost. It really only needs a more obvious visual clue. It should counter block and dodge, as these are things magicka builds are having problems with.
Honestly, Soul Assault is a ranged Dawnbreaker, and Eye of the Storm an ultimate Hurricane. It's fair.
If my Dawnbreaker had a tooltip of 100k I might believe you, but it's no where near that. Nothing about Eye of the Storm is fair. Thanks for confirming once again that the magicka as a whole has no sense of balance. To them if it's magicka, and OP it's balanced.
Soul Assault is a channel and single target while Dawnbreaker is an instant cast AOE.ＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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Strider_Roshin✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭They need to do something with this ulti. ATM it feels like an I win button. Basically fights come down to tanking/sustaining until eye of storm is up then killing. Either you get proc'ed to death or you manage to survive long enough to ult and you win
I don't want it to be useless though =/
If they reduce the damage on the eye morph or make it blockable it becomes a warm comfortable sauna for stam people, which is really what they want. Let's be honest.
I understand the problems involved in balancing an ulti that ONLY provides damage, but in its current iteration it is FAR too strong. I think I've fought only 1 person to survive eye only to be killed seconds later after they blew all their resources to survive in execute range. Its stupid how strong this ability is and unfortunately idk what to do to fix it. You're right about reducing the damage too much making it useless, but right now its too strong.
I'd be perfectly okay with making it a magicka dawnbreaker.
Reduce cost to 120.
Make it instant but blockable, but let us cancel the animation so you never ever see it coming except in the death recap.
Give it a huge initial damage tick, affected by the blue elemental CP and scaled off spell damage and max magicka.
Add a knockdown same as DB
Then add a big dot for people still standing in it, same as DB
Do lots of extra damage to vampires and werewolves for the hell of it.
But... I'm sure stam users would see this and ironically still call it overpowered.
Not even a little, just as long as the damage is comparable to DBoS. Heck have it passively increase your spell damage for all I care.0 -
Lord-Otto✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Oh, wow. Can't get in close? Welcome to any magicka player's world since 1.6! How good it felt all that time to be gap closed and hit with superior melee damage. Us magicka players have never been allowed to play at range, which we are supposed to do. Now you all have a taste of how that feels, not being able to play at your desired range and not being able to dodge or roll the incoming damage. And I hear you, it sucks. We have endured that for over a year.
*sigh*
Rant over. If you want it tweaked, fine, but it must retain its counter-dodge and counter-block properties. I'm afraid nerfing the damage for the Eye morph is the way to go, but it should be nerfed responsibly, not too much.
But you know what? As long as proc sets, synchronized Dawnbreakers and just the sheer burst damage of stam builds, it has a right to exist.8
