The Issue with Eye of the Storm (Destruction Ultimate Morph)

Lava_Croft

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This Ultimate is absolutely stupid. All you have to do is cast it and spam gap closers when solo or run with your blob when not solo and because of the ridiculous damage and the fact that you can't block it, people are unable to counter it. No, you cannot dodge roll or jump out of it, since it's centered around the player and all the player has to do is spam gap closers.

And the best part? It's not even Wrobel's fault this time. It's all the so-called pro players who whined about this Ultimate's DPS without even testing it, while at the same time crying at ZOS for never testing things.

But yeah, 2H Ultimate totally overpowered.

As a stam class you can dodge and run much more than magic classes can. You can also snare, immobilize, knock back or down. In a group I can see a problem. If solo just CC them when you see them cast this move. Not the animation on the move just the character animation and back up enough. I've been using this on my nightblade and die a lot while using because I'm gapclosing not shielding. Gapclosing not healing. Gapclosing not paying attention. Change your bar to have a Hard and soft CC. If you alternating both most magic characters won't have any stam left. Trap beast Is accessible to everyone. It will solve the solo issue. Works on me and against everyone I fight with this.

Assuming I'm a Stamina user, which I am not. Just because I don't agree with some ridiculous Magicka skill doesn't automagically make me a Stamina user. Unlike what seems to be the case of people like you, I don't have any agenda, I just want this game to be more fun regardless of build.

It would be nice if the Magicka users crying about proc gear would get over their agenda and just see Eye of Bullcrap for what it is, an ability that has been overtuned thanks to complaints from PTS users that never tested it and a game play designer that has the intellectual capacity of a brick. No offense to the bricks that keep the roof from falling on my head.

Just because one thing (Stamina proc gear) is overpowered doesn't mean something else (Eye of Bullcrap) has to be overpowered too. This thinking results in the asinine power creep we see in ESO PvP. We will all do 200k DPS next year if this continues.

Sandman929

I haven't actually tried Eye of Bullcrap on my mag Sorc, but I could see it being problematic on a magblade that can Lotus Fan chase folks down

Malamar1229

how bout leave an otherwise lackluster weapon tree alone.

Koolio

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This Ultimate is absolutely stupid. All you have to do is cast it and spam gap closers when solo or run with your blob when not solo and because of the ridiculous damage and the fact that you can't block it, people are unable to counter it. No, you cannot dodge roll or jump out of it, since it's centered around the player and all the player has to do is spam gap closers.

And the best part? It's not even Wrobel's fault this time. It's all the so-called pro players who whined about this Ultimate's DPS without even testing it, while at the same time crying at ZOS for never testing things.

But yeah, 2H Ultimate totally overpowered.

As a stam class you can dodge and run much more than magic classes can. You can also snare, immobilize, knock back or down. In a group I can see a problem. If solo just CC them when you see them cast this move. Not the animation on the move just the character animation and back up enough. I've been using this on my nightblade and die a lot while using because I'm gapclosing not shielding. Gapclosing not healing. Gapclosing not paying attention. Change your bar to have a Hard and soft CC. If you alternating both most magic characters won't have any stam left. Trap beast Is accessible to everyone. It will solve the solo issue. Works on me and against everyone I fight with this.

Assuming I'm a Stamina user, which I am not. Just because I don't agree with some ridiculous Magicka skill doesn't automagically make me a Stamina user. Unlike what seems to be the case of people like you, I don't have any agenda, I just want this game to be more fun regardless of build.

One you don't know Me so don't assume on my part either. I'm black so people "like me" I see where this is going lmao. Maybe actually using an ultimate and killing people is fun. Not wait till I have a meteor just to have someone block and continue like I didn't use an ultimate.

It would be nice if the Magicka users crying about proc gear would get over their agenda and just see Eye of Bullcrap for what it is, an ability that has been overtuned thanks to complaints from PTS users that never tested it and a game play designer that has the intellectual capacity of a brick. No offense to the bricks that keep the roof from falling on my head.

I actually like proc gear. It is one of the most expensive ultimates in the game. It should be very strong. Unless you want to give an instant non telegraphed meteor it needs the damage.

Just because one thing (Stamina proc gear) is overpowered doesn't mean something else (Eye of Bullcrap) has to be overpowered too. This thinking results in the asinine power creep we see in ESO PvP. We will all do 200k DPS next year if this continues.

So just say *** magic and let stam have their fun but not magic? And aren't you supposed to get stronger as time progresses? Maybe 200k dps is needed when they up the monsters to CP cap. I don't want to be weak after 100s of hours of play. I don't want to have a 2% increase in one stat every 3-4 months.

Lava_Croft

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This Ultimate is absolutely stupid. All you have to do is cast it and spam gap closers when solo or run with your blob when not solo and because of the ridiculous damage and the fact that you can't block it, people are unable to counter it. No, you cannot dodge roll or jump out of it, since it's centered around the player and all the player has to do is spam gap closers.

And the best part? It's not even Wrobel's fault this time. It's all the so-called pro players who whined about this Ultimate's DPS without even testing it, while at the same time crying at ZOS for never testing things.

But yeah, 2H Ultimate totally overpowered.

As a stam class you can dodge and run much more than magic classes can. You can also snare, immobilize, knock back or down. In a group I can see a problem. If solo just CC them when you see them cast this move. Not the animation on the move just the character animation and back up enough. I've been using this on my nightblade and die a lot while using because I'm gapclosing not shielding. Gapclosing not healing. Gapclosing not paying attention. Change your bar to have a Hard and soft CC. If you alternating both most magic characters won't have any stam left. Trap beast Is accessible to everyone. It will solve the solo issue. Works on me and against everyone I fight with this.

Assuming I'm a Stamina user, which I am not. Just because I don't agree with some ridiculous Magicka skill doesn't automagically make me a Stamina user. Unlike what seems to be the case of people like you, I don't have any agenda, I just want this game to be more fun regardless of build.

One you don't know Me so don't assume on my part either. I'm black so people "like me" I see where this is going lmao. Maybe actually using an ultimate and killing people is fun. Not wait till I have a meteor just to have someone block and continue like I didn't use an ultimate.

It would be nice if the Magicka users crying about proc gear would get over their agenda and just see Eye of Bullcrap for what it is, an ability that has been overtuned thanks to complaints from PTS users that never tested it and a game play designer that has the intellectual capacity of a brick. No offense to the bricks that keep the roof from falling on my head.

I actually like proc gear. It is one of the most expensive ultimates in the game. It should be very strong. Unless you want to give an instant non telegraphed meteor it needs the damage.

Just because one thing (Stamina proc gear) is overpowered doesn't mean something else (Eye of Bullcrap) has to be overpowered too. This thinking results in the asinine power creep we see in ESO PvP. We will all do 200k DPS next year if this continues.

So just say *** magic and let stam have their fun but not magic? And aren't you supposed to get stronger as time progresses? Maybe 200k dps is needed when they up the monsters to CP cap. I don't want to be weak after 100s of hours of play. I don't want to have a 2% increase in one stat every 3-4 months.

You are displaying the exact broken train of thought that I am talking about and people like you are exactly the type of people I talk about. You don't care for the overall health and fun of the game, you only care for your own little backyard.

Koolio

That was from my phone so it didn't turn out the way I wanted it to.

zuto40

7.5k every second tooltip as a stamblade with less then 10k max magic and 2k spell power

thankyourat

Sandman929 wrote: »

I haven't actually tried Eye of Bullcrap on my mag Sorc, but I could see it being problematic on a magblade that can Lotus Fan chase folks down

It's even more op on a mag sorc because streak keeps you on top and stuns at the same time. I'm using it now and I'm finding it not to be op in solo play. But I'm finding it to be very op in keep defense and at choke points Or if you have support from other players with roots. It's just way too strong in group play

Sandman929

thankyourat wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I haven't actually tried Eye of Bullcrap on my mag Sorc, but I could see it being problematic on a magblade that can Lotus Fan chase folks down

It's even more op on a mag sorc because streak keeps you on top and stuns at the same time. I'm using it now and I'm finding it not to be op in solo play. But I'm finding it to be very op in keep defense and at choke points Or if you have support from other players with roots. It's just way too strong in group play

I'll often drop Elemental Rage on a group and then streak through them, but I don't know if I'd want to stay in the herd with it.

Waffennacht

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This Ultimate is absolutely stupid. All you have to do is cast it and spam gap closers when solo or run with your blob when not solo and because of the ridiculous damage and the fact that you can't block it, people are unable to counter it. No, you cannot dodge roll or jump out of it, since it's centered around the player and all the player has to do is spam gap closers.

And the best part? It's not even Wrobel's fault this time. It's all the so-called pro players who whined about this Ultimate's DPS without even testing it, while at the same time crying at ZOS for never testing things.

But yeah, 2H Ultimate totally overpowered.

As a stam class you can dodge and run much more than magic classes can. You can also snare, immobilize, knock back or down. In a group I can see a problem. If solo just CC them when you see them cast this move. Not the animation on the move just the character animation and back up enough. I've been using this on my nightblade and die a lot while using because I'm gapclosing not shielding. Gapclosing not healing. Gapclosing not paying attention. Change your bar to have a Hard and soft CC. If you alternating both most magic characters won't have any stam left. Trap beast Is accessible to everyone. It will solve the solo issue. Works on me and against everyone I fight with this.

Assuming I'm a Stamina user, which I am not. Just because I don't agree with some ridiculous Magicka skill doesn't automagically make me a Stamina user. Unlike what seems to be the case of people like you, I don't have any agenda, I just want this game to be more fun regardless of build.

It would be nice if the Magicka users crying about proc gear would get over their agenda and just see Eye of Bullcrap for what it is, an ability that has been overtuned thanks to complaints from PTS users that never tested it and a game play designer that has the intellectual capacity of a brick. No offense to the bricks that keep the roof from falling on my head.

Just because one thing (Stamina proc gear) is overpowered doesn't mean something else (Eye of Bullcrap) has to be overpowered too. This thinking results in the asinine power creep we see in ESO PvP. We will all do 200k DPS next year if this continues.

And 200k HPS, Power creep doesn't exist if it's all relative.

Yes Proc sets are strong, yes that Does justify a strong ult.

I know players are/were getting use to long time-to-kill, but things change.

The only prob I see is It's invisibility

Minalan

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This Ultimate is absolutely stupid. All you have to do is cast it and spam gap closers when solo or run with your blob when not solo and because of the ridiculous damage and the fact that you can't block it, people are unable to counter it. No, you cannot dodge roll or jump out of it, since it's centered around the player and all the player has to do is spam gap closers.

And the best part? It's not even Wrobel's fault this time. It's all the so-called pro players who whined about this Ultimate's DPS without even testing it, while at the same time crying at ZOS for never testing things.

But yeah, 2H Ultimate totally overpowered.

As a stam class you can dodge and run much more than magic classes can. You can also snare, immobilize, knock back or down. In a group I can see a problem. If solo just CC them when you see them cast this move. Not the animation on the move just the character animation and back up enough. I've been using this on my nightblade and die a lot while using because I'm gapclosing not shielding. Gapclosing not healing. Gapclosing not paying attention. Change your bar to have a Hard and soft CC. If you alternating both most magic characters won't have any stam left. Trap beast Is accessible to everyone. It will solve the solo issue. Works on me and against everyone I fight with this.

Assuming I'm a Stamina user, which I am not. Just because I don't agree with some ridiculous Magicka skill doesn't automagically make me a Stamina user. Unlike what seems to be the case of people like you, I don't have any agenda, I just want this game to be more fun regardless of build.

One you don't know Me so don't assume on my part either. I'm black so people "like me" I see where this is going lmao. Maybe actually using an ultimate and killing people is fun. Not wait till I have a meteor just to have someone block and continue like I didn't use an ultimate.

It would be nice if the Magicka users crying about proc gear would get over their agenda and just see Eye of Bullcrap for what it is, an ability that has been overtuned thanks to complaints from PTS users that never tested it and a game play designer that has the intellectual capacity of a brick. No offense to the bricks that keep the roof from falling on my head.

I actually like proc gear. It is one of the most expensive ultimates in the game. It should be very strong. Unless you want to give an instant non telegraphed meteor it needs the damage.

Just because one thing (Stamina proc gear) is overpowered doesn't mean something else (Eye of Bullcrap) has to be overpowered too. This thinking results in the asinine power creep we see in ESO PvP. We will all do 200k DPS next year if this continues.

So just say *** magic and let stam have their fun but not magic? And aren't you supposed to get stronger as time progresses? Maybe 200k dps is needed when they up the monsters to CP cap. I don't want to be weak after 100s of hours of play. I don't want to have a 2% increase in one stat every 3-4 months.

You are displaying the exact broken train of thought that I am talking about and people like you are exactly the type of people I talk about. You don't care for the overall health and fun of the game, you only care for your own little backyard.

The broken chain of thought is that something that costs the same two dawnbreakers should somehow do so much less than one of them. Or be easily blockable or counterable with one click.

3-5K per tick, you only see 5K in light armor with no impen.
Seven ticks. That's it.
You should take less than half of those if you know how to play.

thankyourat wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I haven't actually tried Eye of Bullcrap on my mag Sorc, but I could see it being problematic on a magblade that can Lotus Fan chase folks down

It's even more op on a mag sorc because streak keeps you on top and stuns at the same time. I'm using it now and I'm finding it not to be op in solo play. But I'm finding it to be very op in keep defense and at choke points Or if you have support from other players with roots. It's just way too strong in group play

The ult lasts seven seconds, if they want to hand you FIVE seconds of free CC immunity by streaking you. Take it. It means you'll take two ticks and be done.

Honestly, the hyperbole on this ability is ridiculous at this point. People are so bad at math it's laughable.

People are so bad at math here it hurts to read. I should just start posting:

DUUUH. Nerf it! I heard someone took 90K's of damage from sitting inside of it! And he was stunned the whole time and took 40 percents of damage extra in the fire that followed his attacker!!!

Lava_Croft

Minalan wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This Ultimate is absolutely stupid. All you have to do is cast it and spam gap closers when solo or run with your blob when not solo and because of the ridiculous damage and the fact that you can't block it, people are unable to counter it. No, you cannot dodge roll or jump out of it, since it's centered around the player and all the player has to do is spam gap closers.

And the best part? It's not even Wrobel's fault this time. It's all the so-called pro players who whined about this Ultimate's DPS without even testing it, while at the same time crying at ZOS for never testing things.

But yeah, 2H Ultimate totally overpowered.

As a stam class you can dodge and run much more than magic classes can. You can also snare, immobilize, knock back or down. In a group I can see a problem. If solo just CC them when you see them cast this move. Not the animation on the move just the character animation and back up enough. I've been using this on my nightblade and die a lot while using because I'm gapclosing not shielding. Gapclosing not healing. Gapclosing not paying attention. Change your bar to have a Hard and soft CC. If you alternating both most magic characters won't have any stam left. Trap beast Is accessible to everyone. It will solve the solo issue. Works on me and against everyone I fight with this.

Assuming I'm a Stamina user, which I am not. Just because I don't agree with some ridiculous Magicka skill doesn't automagically make me a Stamina user. Unlike what seems to be the case of people like you, I don't have any agenda, I just want this game to be more fun regardless of build.

One you don't know Me so don't assume on my part either. I'm black so people "like me" I see where this is going lmao. Maybe actually using an ultimate and killing people is fun. Not wait till I have a meteor just to have someone block and continue like I didn't use an ultimate.

It would be nice if the Magicka users crying about proc gear would get over their agenda and just see Eye of Bullcrap for what it is, an ability that has been overtuned thanks to complaints from PTS users that never tested it and a game play designer that has the intellectual capacity of a brick. No offense to the bricks that keep the roof from falling on my head.

I actually like proc gear. It is one of the most expensive ultimates in the game. It should be very strong. Unless you want to give an instant non telegraphed meteor it needs the damage.

Just because one thing (Stamina proc gear) is overpowered doesn't mean something else (Eye of Bullcrap) has to be overpowered too. This thinking results in the asinine power creep we see in ESO PvP. We will all do 200k DPS next year if this continues.

So just say *** magic and let stam have their fun but not magic? And aren't you supposed to get stronger as time progresses? Maybe 200k dps is needed when they up the monsters to CP cap. I don't want to be weak after 100s of hours of play. I don't want to have a 2% increase in one stat every 3-4 months.

You are displaying the exact broken train of thought that I am talking about and people like you are exactly the type of people I talk about. You don't care for the overall health and fun of the game, you only care for your own little backyard.

The broken chain of thought is that something that costs the same two dawnbreakers should somehow do so much less than one of them. Or be easily blockable or counterable with one click.

3-5K per tick, you only see 5K in light armor with no impen.
Seven ticks. That's it.
You should take less than half of those if you know how to play.

thankyourat wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I haven't actually tried Eye of Bullcrap on my mag Sorc, but I could see it being problematic on a magblade that can Lotus Fan chase folks down

It's even more op on a mag sorc because streak keeps you on top and stuns at the same time. I'm using it now and I'm finding it not to be op in solo play. But I'm finding it to be very op in keep defense and at choke points Or if you have support from other players with roots. It's just way too strong in group play

The ult lasts seven seconds, if they want to hand you FIVE seconds of free CC immunity by streaking you. Take it. It means you'll take two ticks and be done.

Honestly, the hyperbole on this ability is ridiculous at this point. People are so bad at math it's laughable.

People are so bad at math here it hurts to read. I should just start posting:

DUUUH. Nerf it! I heard someone took 90K's of damage from sitting inside of it! And he was stunned the whole time and took 40 percents of damage extra in the fire that followed his attacker!!!

Math is what made people say the 2H Ultimate would be OP.

What's much more valuable is real-world experience and anyone who plays PvP will notice how this Ultimate melts everything and is used by an incredible amount of people, even some Stamina users. Cyrodiil is much more than your math, things such as visual cues, latency and what not come into play that math completely ignores but which do play a huge role when it comes to balancing abilities.

Waffennacht

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This Ultimate is absolutely stupid. All you have to do is cast it and spam gap closers when solo or run with your blob when not solo and because of the ridiculous damage and the fact that you can't block it, people are unable to counter it. No, you cannot dodge roll or jump out of it, since it's centered around the player and all the player has to do is spam gap closers.

And the best part? It's not even Wrobel's fault this time. It's all the so-called pro players who whined about this Ultimate's DPS without even testing it, while at the same time crying at ZOS for never testing things.

But yeah, 2H Ultimate totally overpowered.

As a stam class you can dodge and run much more than magic classes can. You can also snare, immobilize, knock back or down. In a group I can see a problem. If solo just CC them when you see them cast this move. Not the animation on the move just the character animation and back up enough. I've been using this on my nightblade and die a lot while using because I'm gapclosing not shielding. Gapclosing not healing. Gapclosing not paying attention. Change your bar to have a Hard and soft CC. If you alternating both most magic characters won't have any stam left. Trap beast Is accessible to everyone. It will solve the solo issue. Works on me and against everyone I fight with this.

Assuming I'm a Stamina user, which I am not. Just because I don't agree with some ridiculous Magicka skill doesn't automagically make me a Stamina user. Unlike what seems to be the case of people like you, I don't have any agenda, I just want this game to be more fun regardless of build.

One you don't know Me so don't assume on my part either. I'm black so people "like me" I see where this is going lmao. Maybe actually using an ultimate and killing people is fun. Not wait till I have a meteor just to have someone block and continue like I didn't use an ultimate.

It would be nice if the Magicka users crying about proc gear would get over their agenda and just see Eye of Bullcrap for what it is, an ability that has been overtuned thanks to complaints from PTS users that never tested it and a game play designer that has the intellectual capacity of a brick. No offense to the bricks that keep the roof from falling on my head.

I actually like proc gear. It is one of the most expensive ultimates in the game. It should be very strong. Unless you want to give an instant non telegraphed meteor it needs the damage.

Just because one thing (Stamina proc gear) is overpowered doesn't mean something else (Eye of Bullcrap) has to be overpowered too. This thinking results in the asinine power creep we see in ESO PvP. We will all do 200k DPS next year if this continues.

So just say *** magic and let stam have their fun but not magic? And aren't you supposed to get stronger as time progresses? Maybe 200k dps is needed when they up the monsters to CP cap. I don't want to be weak after 100s of hours of play. I don't want to have a 2% increase in one stat every 3-4 months.

You are displaying the exact broken train of thought that I am talking about and people like you are exactly the type of people I talk about. You don't care for the overall health and fun of the game, you only care for your own little backyard.

The broken chain of thought is that something that costs the same two dawnbreakers should somehow do so much less than one of them. Or be easily blockable or counterable with one click.

3-5K per tick, you only see 5K in light armor with no impen.
Seven ticks. That's it.
You should take less than half of those if you know how to play.

thankyourat wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I haven't actually tried Eye of Bullcrap on my mag Sorc, but I could see it being problematic on a magblade that can Lotus Fan chase folks down

It's even more op on a mag sorc because streak keeps you on top and stuns at the same time. I'm using it now and I'm finding it not to be op in solo play. But I'm finding it to be very op in keep defense and at choke points Or if you have support from other players with roots. It's just way too strong in group play

The ult lasts seven seconds, if they want to hand you FIVE seconds of free CC immunity by streaking you. Take it. It means you'll take two ticks and be done.

Honestly, the hyperbole on this ability is ridiculous at this point. People are so bad at math it's laughable.

People are so bad at math here it hurts to read. I should just start posting:

DUUUH. Nerf it! I heard someone took 90K's of damage from sitting inside of it! And he was stunned the whole time and took 40 percents of damage extra in the fire that followed his attacker!!!

Math is what made people say the 2H Ultimate would be OP.

What's much more valuable is real-world experience and anyone who plays PvP will notice how this Ultimate melts everything and is used by an incredible amount of people, even some Stamina users. Cyrodiil is much more than your math, things such as visual cues, latency and what not come into play that math completely ignores but which do play a huge role when it comes to balancing abilities.

It was math that had some PTS players saying it would not be OP. They laid out how the ult has a small range, target based, can be dodged, blocked and mitigated.

Some players freaked at the idea of it stealing armor and CC prevention, however they failed to realize it has to connect to even be an issue. Plus with so much armor removal that aspect of it was practically negated.

The most used ults in game either have a tracker (meteor) or is a massive AoE, meaning they connect more than not (SA has a really nice "auto" targeting going on) this ult does not. In fact, now that I think about it, this 2h ult is the only ult that isn't easily connectable.

The SnB ult unfortunately doesn't prevent CCs, and actually prevents you from being able to "block" to prevent the CC, I wouldn't have been so hyped for this ult had I known. I still see great potential in it, but it has to have a complete build around it.

The destro ult just costs so much that I don't see it deserving a nerf imo

Lashiing

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

Lord-Otto wrote: »

At this point I think you're trolling.
Anyway, damage is high but so is the cost. It really only needs a more obvious visual clue. It should counter block and dodge, as these are things magicka builds are having problems with.
Honestly, Soul Assault is a ranged Dawnbreaker, and Eye of the Storm an ultimate Hurricane. It's fair.

If my Dawnbreaker had a tooltip of 100k I might believe you, but it's no where near that. Nothing about Eye of the Storm is fair. Thanks for confirming once again that the magicka as a whole has no sense of balance. To them if it's magicka, and OP it's balanced.

my eye of the storm tool tip is actually 100k

Lava_Croft

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This Ultimate is absolutely stupid. All you have to do is cast it and spam gap closers when solo or run with your blob when not solo and because of the ridiculous damage and the fact that you can't block it, people are unable to counter it. No, you cannot dodge roll or jump out of it, since it's centered around the player and all the player has to do is spam gap closers.

And the best part? It's not even Wrobel's fault this time. It's all the so-called pro players who whined about this Ultimate's DPS without even testing it, while at the same time crying at ZOS for never testing things.

But yeah, 2H Ultimate totally overpowered.

As a stam class you can dodge and run much more than magic classes can. You can also snare, immobilize, knock back or down. In a group I can see a problem. If solo just CC them when you see them cast this move. Not the animation on the move just the character animation and back up enough. I've been using this on my nightblade and die a lot while using because I'm gapclosing not shielding. Gapclosing not healing. Gapclosing not paying attention. Change your bar to have a Hard and soft CC. If you alternating both most magic characters won't have any stam left. Trap beast Is accessible to everyone. It will solve the solo issue. Works on me and against everyone I fight with this.

Assuming I'm a Stamina user, which I am not. Just because I don't agree with some ridiculous Magicka skill doesn't automagically make me a Stamina user. Unlike what seems to be the case of people like you, I don't have any agenda, I just want this game to be more fun regardless of build.

One you don't know Me so don't assume on my part either. I'm black so people "like me" I see where this is going lmao. Maybe actually using an ultimate and killing people is fun. Not wait till I have a meteor just to have someone block and continue like I didn't use an ultimate.

It would be nice if the Magicka users crying about proc gear would get over their agenda and just see Eye of Bullcrap for what it is, an ability that has been overtuned thanks to complaints from PTS users that never tested it and a game play designer that has the intellectual capacity of a brick. No offense to the bricks that keep the roof from falling on my head.

I actually like proc gear. It is one of the most expensive ultimates in the game. It should be very strong. Unless you want to give an instant non telegraphed meteor it needs the damage.

Just because one thing (Stamina proc gear) is overpowered doesn't mean something else (Eye of Bullcrap) has to be overpowered too. This thinking results in the asinine power creep we see in ESO PvP. We will all do 200k DPS next year if this continues.

So just say *** magic and let stam have their fun but not magic? And aren't you supposed to get stronger as time progresses? Maybe 200k dps is needed when they up the monsters to CP cap. I don't want to be weak after 100s of hours of play. I don't want to have a 2% increase in one stat every 3-4 months.

You are displaying the exact broken train of thought that I am talking about and people like you are exactly the type of people I talk about. You don't care for the overall health and fun of the game, you only care for your own little backyard.

The broken chain of thought is that something that costs the same two dawnbreakers should somehow do so much less than one of them. Or be easily blockable or counterable with one click.

3-5K per tick, you only see 5K in light armor with no impen.
Seven ticks. That's it.
You should take less than half of those if you know how to play.

thankyourat wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I haven't actually tried Eye of Bullcrap on my mag Sorc, but I could see it being problematic on a magblade that can Lotus Fan chase folks down

It's even more op on a mag sorc because streak keeps you on top and stuns at the same time. I'm using it now and I'm finding it not to be op in solo play. But I'm finding it to be very op in keep defense and at choke points Or if you have support from other players with roots. It's just way too strong in group play

The ult lasts seven seconds, if they want to hand you FIVE seconds of free CC immunity by streaking you. Take it. It means you'll take two ticks and be done.

Honestly, the hyperbole on this ability is ridiculous at this point. People are so bad at math it's laughable.

People are so bad at math here it hurts to read. I should just start posting:

DUUUH. Nerf it! I heard someone took 90K's of damage from sitting inside of it! And he was stunned the whole time and took 40 percents of damage extra in the fire that followed his attacker!!!

Math is what made people say the 2H Ultimate would be OP.

What's much more valuable is real-world experience and anyone who plays PvP will notice how this Ultimate melts everything and is used by an incredible amount of people, even some Stamina users. Cyrodiil is much more than your math, things such as visual cues, latency and what not come into play that math completely ignores but which do play a huge role when it comes to balancing abilities.

It was math that had some PTS players saying it would not be OP. They laid out how the ult has a small range, target based, can be dodged, blocked and mitigated.

Some players freaked at the idea of it stealing armor and CC prevention, however they failed to realize it has to connect to even be an issue. Plus with so much armor removal that aspect of it was practically negated.

The most used ults in game either have a tracker (meteor) or is a massive AoE, meaning they connect more than not (SA has a really nice "auto" targeting going on) this ult does not. In fact, now that I think about it, this 2h ult is the only ult that isn't easily connectable.

The SnB ult unfortunately doesn't prevent CCs, and actually prevents you from being able to "block" to prevent the CC, I wouldn't have been so hyped for this ult had I known. I still see great potential in it, but it has to have a complete build around it.

The destro ult just costs so much that I don't see it deserving a nerf imo

The cost of this Ultimate is something that can be changed just like the damage, but people constantly like to bring up the cost as if that makes the ridiculous damage it does any less ridiculous.

Ishammael

Lol at people defending eye of the storm.

Lava_Croft

Ishammael wrote: »

Lol at people defending eye of the storm.

I honestly wonder if they play PvP these days. ProxDet wars was stupid but Eye of Bullcrap takes it to a whole new level. The StamProc gear are toys compared to this.

Ishammael

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Lol at people defending eye of the storm.

I honestly wonder if they play PvP these days. ProxDet wars was stupid but Eye of Bullcrap takes it to a whole new level. The StamProc gear are toys compared to this.

StamProc gear is bull. You can one shot people... Wearing heavy armor.

Eye of the storm in no way diminishes the strength of viper+tremor+widow/red mountain+implosion/burning

And yet, eye of the storm is still a completely absurd skill. Group play is 100% dominated by Eye+negate

Minalan

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Waffennacht wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Minalan wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This Ultimate is absolutely stupid. All you have to do is cast it and spam gap closers when solo or run with your blob when not solo and because of the ridiculous damage and the fact that you can't block it, people are unable to counter it. No, you cannot dodge roll or jump out of it, since it's centered around the player and all the player has to do is spam gap closers.

And the best part? It's not even Wrobel's fault this time. It's all the so-called pro players who whined about this Ultimate's DPS without even testing it, while at the same time crying at ZOS for never testing things.

But yeah, 2H Ultimate totally overpowered.

As a stam class you can dodge and run much more than magic classes can. You can also snare, immobilize, knock back or down. In a group I can see a problem. If solo just CC them when you see them cast this move. Not the animation on the move just the character animation and back up enough. I've been using this on my nightblade and die a lot while using because I'm gapclosing not shielding. Gapclosing not healing. Gapclosing not paying attention. Change your bar to have a Hard and soft CC. If you alternating both most magic characters won't have any stam left. Trap beast Is accessible to everyone. It will solve the solo issue. Works on me and against everyone I fight with this.

Assuming I'm a Stamina user, which I am not. Just because I don't agree with some ridiculous Magicka skill doesn't automagically make me a Stamina user. Unlike what seems to be the case of people like you, I don't have any agenda, I just want this game to be more fun regardless of build.

One you don't know Me so don't assume on my part either. I'm black so people "like me" I see where this is going lmao. Maybe actually using an ultimate and killing people is fun. Not wait till I have a meteor just to have someone block and continue like I didn't use an ultimate.

It would be nice if the Magicka users crying about proc gear would get over their agenda and just see Eye of Bullcrap for what it is, an ability that has been overtuned thanks to complaints from PTS users that never tested it and a game play designer that has the intellectual capacity of a brick. No offense to the bricks that keep the roof from falling on my head.

I actually like proc gear. It is one of the most expensive ultimates in the game. It should be very strong. Unless you want to give an instant non telegraphed meteor it needs the damage.

Just because one thing (Stamina proc gear) is overpowered doesn't mean something else (Eye of Bullcrap) has to be overpowered too. This thinking results in the asinine power creep we see in ESO PvP. We will all do 200k DPS next year if this continues.

So just say *** magic and let stam have their fun but not magic? And aren't you supposed to get stronger as time progresses? Maybe 200k dps is needed when they up the monsters to CP cap. I don't want to be weak after 100s of hours of play. I don't want to have a 2% increase in one stat every 3-4 months.

You are displaying the exact broken train of thought that I am talking about and people like you are exactly the type of people I talk about. You don't care for the overall health and fun of the game, you only care for your own little backyard.

The broken chain of thought is that something that costs the same two dawnbreakers should somehow do so much less than one of them. Or be easily blockable or counterable with one click.

3-5K per tick, you only see 5K in light armor with no impen.
Seven ticks. That's it.
You should take less than half of those if you know how to play.

thankyourat wrote: »

Sandman929 wrote: »

I haven't actually tried Eye of Bullcrap on my mag Sorc, but I could see it being problematic on a magblade that can Lotus Fan chase folks down

It's even more op on a mag sorc because streak keeps you on top and stuns at the same time. I'm using it now and I'm finding it not to be op in solo play. But I'm finding it to be very op in keep defense and at choke points Or if you have support from other players with roots. It's just way too strong in group play

The ult lasts seven seconds, if they want to hand you FIVE seconds of free CC immunity by streaking you. Take it. It means you'll take two ticks and be done.

Honestly, the hyperbole on this ability is ridiculous at this point. People are so bad at math it's laughable.

People are so bad at math here it hurts to read. I should just start posting:

DUUUH. Nerf it! I heard someone took 90K's of damage from sitting inside of it! And he was stunned the whole time and took 40 percents of damage extra in the fire that followed his attacker!!!

Math is what made people say the 2H Ultimate would be OP.

What's much more valuable is real-world experience and anyone who plays PvP will notice how this Ultimate melts everything and is used by an incredible amount of people, even some Stamina users. Cyrodiil is much more than your math, things such as visual cues, latency and what not come into play that math completely ignores but which do play a huge role when it comes to balancing abilities.

It was math that had some PTS players saying it would not be OP. They laid out how the ult has a small range, target based, can be dodged, blocked and mitigated.

Some players freaked at the idea of it stealing armor and CC prevention, however they failed to realize it has to connect to even be an issue. Plus with so much armor removal that aspect of it was practically negated.

The most used ults in game either have a tracker (meteor) or is a massive AoE, meaning they connect more than not (SA has a really nice "auto" targeting going on) this ult does not. In fact, now that I think about it, this 2h ult is the only ult that isn't easily connectable.

The SnB ult unfortunately doesn't prevent CCs, and actually prevents you from being able to "block" to prevent the CC, I wouldn't have been so hyped for this ult had I known. I still see great potential in it, but it has to have a complete build around it.

The destro ult just costs so much that I don't see it deserving a nerf imo

The cost of this Ultimate is something that can be changed just like the damage, but people constantly like to bring up the cost as if that makes the ridiculous damage it does any less ridiculous.

If you want it to do less than two dawnbreakers worth of damage than cut the cost to 120. I'm fine with that.

Ishammael wrote: »

Lol at people defending eye of the storm.

LOL at all of the people that want to cancel a 250 cost AOE ultimate you can walk out of.

Escorpiao_Noturno

I just got 40k damage on me today.
I am a FULL TANK

Waffennacht

Escorpiao_Noturno wrote: »

I just got 40k damage on me today.
I am a FULL TANK

Did you try using Petrify or Dark Talons to even the odds?

Lokey0024

Didnt know it was unblockable. Now ill use the eye morph

Kutsuu

Koolio wrote: »

Lava_Croft wrote: »

This Ultimate is absolutely stupid. All you have to do is cast it and spam gap closers when solo or run with your blob when not solo and because of the ridiculous damage and the fact that you can't block it, people are unable to counter it. No, you cannot dodge roll or jump out of it, since it's centered around the player and all the player has to do is spam gap closers.

And the best part? It's not even Wrobel's fault this time. It's all the so-called pro players who whined about this Ultimate's DPS without even testing it, while at the same time crying at ZOS for never testing things.

But yeah, 2H Ultimate totally overpowered.

As a stam class you can dodge and run much more than magic classes can. You can also snare, immobilize, knock back or down. In a group I can see a problem. If solo just CC them when you see them cast this move. Not the animation on the move just the character animation and back up enough. I've been using this on my nightblade and die a lot while using because I'm gapclosing not shielding. Gapclosing not healing. Gapclosing not paying attention. Change your bar to have a Hard and soft CC. If you alternating both most magic characters won't have any stam left. Trap beast Is accessible to everyone. It will solve the solo issue. Works on me and against everyone I fight with this.

Yeah, because immobilize stops Lotus Fan from gap closing right? Not sure who you are trying to fool... I'm fairly certain it's common knowledge that the Teleport Strike morphs work this way. If you're quick on CC breaks and use CC of your own (fear) while spamming Lotus Fan, there isn't much anyone can do to counter it other than try to kill you before you kill them which is nearly impossible since it melts your average 25-30k HP build in 3-4 seconds.

Kas

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I just kite the player until it's gone. What am I missing?

the other two guys with EotS up that give you ridiculously little time to get out... and them using gap closers.

Biro123

Kas wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I just kite the player until it's gone. What am I missing?

the other two guys with EotS up that give you ridiculously little time to get out... and them using gap closers.

Only 2??

Its usually more like 5 - supported by others spamming rapids/purge while all guzzling immovable pots. If you get into (ranged) combat range of them, and they head in your direction - there is no escape.

Answer - don't get anywhere near close to them - which unfortunately means you don't fight, they don't fight - nobody fights. Not good for PVP, I fear.

All the pro-EOTS arguments I've heard are only talking about 1v1 - where its fine. However, in a many vs many scenario it is massively overpowered.

(btw, no agenda here - I'm not doing the stam vs magicka argument - I play both. Just want to see healthy PVP)

Kutsuu

Biro123 wrote: »

Kas wrote: »

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I just kite the player until it's gone. What am I missing?

the other two guys with EotS up that give you ridiculously little time to get out... and them using gap closers.

Only 2??

Its usually more like 5 - supported by others spamming rapids/purge while all guzzling immovable pots. If you get into (ranged) combat range of them, and they head in your direction - there is no escape.

Answer - don't get anywhere near close to them - which unfortunately means you don't fight, they don't fight - nobody fights. Not good for PVP, I fear.

All the pro-EOTS arguments I've heard are only talking about 1v1 - where its fine. However, in a many vs many scenario it is massively overpowered.

(btw, no agenda here - I'm not doing the stam vs magicka argument - I play both. Just want to see healthy PVP)

What makes it fine in 1v1? Using that same immovable pot and spamming a gap closer makes it impossible to escape or survive in a 1v1 no matter what you do as long as they make sure to trigger it while you're in close range. It's been funny to watch a couple of these guys running a destro ult build dueling in Rawkla - they go PVE up their ult then challenge someone to a duel and it's over in 3 seconds - rinse repeat. Not that things need to be balanced around duels, but it's very similar to a 1v1 situation.

runningtings

Biro123 wrote: »

Answer - don't get anywhere near close to them - which unfortunately means you don't fight, they don't fight - nobody fights. Not good for PVP, I fear.

This is it exactly, all I do now is avoid contacting with a zerg all toting staves, shoot from range and try to pick off stragglers as the minute I get anywhere near them I get insta killed with at least EotS 25k dmg in my recap.

Boring.

Lava_Croft

runningtings wrote: »

Biro123 wrote: »

Answer - don't get anywhere near close to them - which unfortunately means you don't fight, they don't fight - nobody fights. Not good for PVP, I fear.

This is it exactly, all I do now is avoid contacting with a zerg all toting staves, shoot from range and try to pick off stragglers as the minute I get anywhere near them I get insta killed with at least EotS 25k dmg in my recap.

Boring.

And since just about all PvP these days revolves around large groups congregating in a few places on the map, there's really no escaping Eye of Bullcrap wars at all.

It's too bad the developers of this game prefer to keep interaction with their PvP community to a level that rounds down to zero.

Biro123

Lava_Croft wrote: »

And since just about all PvP these days revolves around large groups congregating in a few places on the map, there's really no escaping Eye of Bullcrap wars at all.

It's too bad the developers of this game prefer to keep interaction with their PvP community to a level that rounds down to zero.

You're right there. Something that I REALLY hate about PVP at the mo is the actions of these EOTS ball-groups.. Wouldn't be so bad if they did more to open up their own fronts/attacks etc.. but all I see are situations where Red and blue are having a nice unco-ordinated zerg-off, back and forth between Ales and Chalman - then suddenly there's a yellow ball-group in the middle spamming EOTS - leaving swathes of dead strewn in their path, Then its like 'Well, there goes that fight... back to tome-farming I guess'..

Or its Blue vs Yellow, and the red ball-group appears in the middle... usually claiming the milegate between Ash and Roe or something... Its almost like they're acting as police in a football riot - separating the two opposing sides..

And then you get them all in the same place.. They avoid fighting each other - I guess cos they know that they would both come off so bad that the pugs would just pick off what's left. Pugs get farmed, and I'm sure will eventually just stop playing.

smashcats

Wreuntzylla wrote: »

I just kite the player until it's gone. What am I missing?

Apparently these guys are letting it kill them by not moving around to begin with?