Dueling is a Great Addition

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Great work ZOS!

On my final fight, my hurricane spamming stamina opponent, who was laying in a blue pile of ash, yelled at me that I only beat him "cause of &#$$# @$$ Soul Assault!"

My night was made by the tears of a salty stam build. Thank you ZOS.

AzraelKrieg

Some people don't take losing well. Especially those that believe they are OP as hell xD

susmitds

Soul Assault is broken. A medium armor stamina build has hardly any way to defend against it. Even while blocking, it will blow through 75% of HP and at least 40% of your stamina bar.

All it does is to promote the Black Rose meta.

Taylor_MB

susmitds wrote: »

Soul Assault is broken. A medium armor stamina build has hardly any way to defend against it. Even while blocking, it will blow through 75% of HP and at least 40% of your stamina bar.

All it does is to promote the Black Rose meta.

But as always the stamina version is worse. The bow ult goes through LoS (or I've just been super unlucky, but it never breaks for me even when behind large trees and stuff).

But yeah, hold block and healing is the worst counter play ZoS could have come up with >.<

Vorcil

Nerf stamina medium builds
nefs proc builds
nerf invincible tanks

but don't nerf magicka... that's the last thing this game needs

Lord_Eomer

Vorcil wrote: »

Nerf stamina medium builds
nefs proc builds
nerf invincible tanks

but don't nerf magicka... that's the last thing this game needs

No need to nerf anything! but just forums where some players QQ after any release....

NBrookus

Taylor_MB wrote: »

But as always the stamina version is worse. The bow ult goes through LoS (or I've just been super unlucky, but it never breaks for me even when behind large trees and stuff).

Shhh... DK wings will reflect Toxic Barrage. Pop wings as soon as it starts and send most of it right back at them.

dem0n1k

Buff Sorcerer shields back to 20s ! ................................ * streaks away *

THEDKEXPERIENCE

Yeah ... Soul Assault followed by radiant oppression is a great way to make people lose their minds. Hahahaha. I found that many of these fights are basically rope-a-dopes. If you can survive the initial onslaught just pick your spot and BLAMMO!!

Vipstaakki

I disagree with the title of this thread. Dueling was the worst addition in a while.

Lord_Eomer

Vipstaakki wrote: »

I disagree with the title of this thread. Dueling was the worst addition in a while.

If you do not want duels just turn on auto duel decline..

Its simple,

Vaoh

Dueling is cool.

But Dueling in populated areas such as cities and Undaunted Enclaves? Absolutely hate it. Should attract a bounty if seen by guards.

You get in trouble with the guards when you fight NPCs, so why not extend this to players? Just don't lag out my cities/Enclaves!

Plus PvP is a mess balance-wise atm. Duels determine how broken the sets you're using are, not how skillful you are.

The core feature of Dueling itself is nice. We also gain a very convenient way to test stuff damage-wise by hitting players.

AgentSylo

It his funny to hear peope cry when they lose, especially if they are supposed to be an adult.

But yea duelling, yet another normal mmo feature that should of been in the game from day 1. But better late then never I suppose, man they are slow.

Get ready though, this community is already crazy about wanting things nerfed, now the threads are gonna double lol

altemriel

Dueling is great, I yesterday wrecked one person, twice, was nice

fred4

susmitds wrote: »

Soul Assault is broken. A medium armor stamina build has hardly any way to defend against it. Even while blocking, it will blow through 75% of HP and at least 40% of your stamina bar.

That has not been my experience, and I run a medium armor stam build. I have a few advantages, I guess. Being a Nord (damage reduction), having 1.4k health regen, lingering health potions, Rally running, and I use Vigor while blocking. Then Soul Assault barely makes an impact.

Toc de Malsvi

Taylor_MB wrote: »

susmitds wrote: »

Soul Assault is broken. A medium armor stamina build has hardly any way to defend against it. Even while blocking, it will blow through 75% of HP and at least 40% of your stamina bar.

All it does is to promote the Black Rose meta.

But as always the stamina version is worse. The bow ult goes through LoS (or I've just been super unlucky, but it never breaks for me even when behind large trees and stuff).

But yeah, hold block and healing is the worst counter play ZoS could have come up with >.<

I haven't found this to be true, don't have the morphed versions yet but for both unmorphed, I tested with a buddy through dualing.

Soul Strike was uninterruptable, undodgeable, unable to CC opponent during use, did roughly the same damage as the bow ultimate for almost half the cost and slowed the target.

Rapid Fire was unbashable, but could both be dodged and entirely negated by CC'ing your opponent, did slightly more damage but roughly double the cost and while you can move at full speed so can your opponent.

I have yet to test Rapid Fire with cloak or a ranged interrupt, or either or the morphs for both Soul Strike or Rapid Fire. But so far from the early return of duals Soul Strike is far and away better than Rapid Fire.

If you see your opponent cast Rapid Fire, CC entirely negates it, dodging negates it, LOS negates it and there is no slow to keep you from LOSing, and blocking negates it although it appears that blocking will destroy your stamina pool.

Toc de Malsvi

As far as the damage, on my Bosmer stamina DK with a bow and 100 points into mighty Rapid Fire tooltip was 44k, where as Soul Strike tool tip was 36k. Now I only had 28k stamina and 3.5k weapon damage for the test so it could definitely go higher, but in duals Rapid Fire base morph is far from effective.

zuto40

I love dueling, spent 15 minutes earlier in 1 duel against a very troublesome DK, i eventually lost when i ran out of stam pots, he only had 1 left too

leepalmer95

Soul assault tooltip 77k, curse + fury + SA = Gf.

Lord_Eomer

Dueling is great addition,

Loving it, for haters they should not play MMO instead time to go for single player..

Wollust

Lord_Dexter wrote: »

Vipstaakki wrote: »

I disagree with the title of this thread. Dueling was the worst addition in a while.

If you do not want duels just turn on auto duel decline..

Its simple,

Don't mind him, he never misses out on a chance of expressing his dislike for PvP.

Skinless_Jerk

even though my download still isn't complete....... i feel duelling is a 2 way street - for many people including myself, this patch has been long awaited on. On the other hand i feel it is another IC player base splitter - but then again after almost 2 years of [SNIP] pvp who honestly cares about cyrodiil anymore (zerglings need not reply)

Skinless_Jerk

leepalmer95 wrote: »

Soul assault tooltip 77k, curse + fury + SA = Gf.

hahaha gives me tingles

Erik_Darksinger

I don't have a problem with the addition of Dueling. It gives players a chance to test out a build before they go into Cyrodiil and find out it has weaknesses they need to fix. It also allows players the chance to duel friends of the same Faction which we could not do before.

The only problem I have with Dueling is the locations of the Duels. Some choose to duel in areas that could be seen as harassing to other players. High Traffic areas such as Crafting areas and dye stations or Quest NPC's. The small fix I would suggest that may work in some cases would be to add a code that you cannot Duel in areas that the game does not allow you to summon your mount. Indoors areas and such.

Right now, Dueling is the new toy that everyone has to try. Give it a few weeks or a month or so and the excitement over it will die down a bit and there won't be as many dueling everywhere they can. As for myself, I turned on Auto-Duel declines so that I would not constantly get bugged by people I don't know asking me to Accept or Decline when I am trying to do other things. If I want to duel a friend for fun, I can always turn it on for that fight then turn it back off afterwards.

bigredsnake

Did it back in DCUO if it's not tied to SP or CP who cares? I'm glad there's a option to ignore duel invites though. It could be useful for PVP testing but who really fights 1 on 1 there?

johu31

Nerf duels. Pvp players finally get face roll pve players.. not to mention, I can't go to elden root to buy a pack of smokes without running into 47 ppl getting [SNIP] in a duel.

jakeedmundson

I'm not into pvp at all... but i go into cyrodil to get the alliance skills for characters at least.

I gotta say though... dueling was pretty fun with some pve friends. I'm sure to the pvp world it looked like a couple of 1-legged men in a foot race.

either way... its a pretty unique addition. and my friends and i had a good time trying it out.


and yes... we left the populated area before dueling... because it does get annoying and lagging with a dozen banners by the undaunted area.

GreenhaloX

Similar to cheating issues plaguing PvP in Cyrodiil, I'm beginning to notice some things among some duelers could be in the same category. Particularly when a 360 CP beating a 561, and I'm seeing mostly the 561 CP's health depleting, and the 360's health rarely breaking below 3/4. Another time, one toon kept spamming fragmented shield or barrier and of course that toon won, because he or she was rarely getting damaged, but was able to mercilessly damage the opponent. Also, maybe a glitch, but also some zone chats saying certain was not even realized he or she was even part of a duel, but was getting hit/damages from another player attacking. Another time, I just saw a toon thrashing another way lower CP toon and the other toon wasn't even fighting back. What is up with that? Is it similar to PvP in Cyrodiil where you get points for beating the other toon?

ZOS_JohanaB

We've moved this thread to Dueling

THEDKEXPERIENCE

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Similar to cheating issues plaguing PvP in Cyrodiil, I'm beginning to notice some things among some duelers could be in the same category. Particularly when a 360 CP beating a 561, and I'm seeing mostly the 561 CP's health depleting, and the 360's health rarely breaking below 3/4. Another time, one toon kept spamming fragmented shield or barrier and of course that toon won, because he or she was rarely getting damaged, but was able to mercilessly damage the opponent. Also, maybe a glitch, but also some zone chats saying certain was not even realized he or she was even part of a duel, but was getting hit/damages from another player attacking. Another time, I just saw a toon thrashing another way lower CP toon and the other toon wasn't even fighting back. What is up with that? Is it similar to PvP in Cyrodiil where you get points for beating the other toon?

I'll try to answer each point.

- 360 vs 561: It's more likely that you witnessed a good player with a full time job vs a person who plays a ton but doesn't PVP that much. There are thousands of max level players who don't know how to PVP. Sure cheating could happen but it certainly would be far down my list of worries, especially if you're talking about consoles.
- Shields are vital in dueling.
- There are lots of tanky sets that you can build to still hit like a truck. Barrier is one of the few shields that can be used without magic or stam so if someone isn't going to use their ultimate offensively barrier is a great choice.
- Other players cannot damage you in a duel. NPCs can.
- Not fighting back? Maybe their batteries ran out. Maybe they were doing a DPS test. Maybe their pizza showed up. There is no benefit to letting your buddy beat you other than maybe the achievement of winning a duel. I wouldn't worry about this.
- No points are awarded like AP in Cyrodiil. You are only rewarded with by being a triumphantly glorious warrior.

fred4

I especially liked that pizza comment That made me smile and it's so true.