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https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/668861
why hasn't radiant destruction been nerfed yet?...
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AfkNinja✭✭✭✭✭
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There's nothing to change for some setups vs radiant.
Its alright to continue telling everyone to learn to play - post counts go up, threads are all over. Ultimately, high posts and many threads lead to these things getting on the chopping block. I'm sure its already there. Its just a matter of how its being changed.
Templar's are hands down the most obstinate group of players to actually have a conversation with. Its not even worth engaging them at all on the issue - just to ramp up post counts in these threads.
Normally your posts are really good but this is just terrible logic.
Of course Templar are going to defend their class and until hard evidence is provided that shows them it does in fact need a nerf they have every right and responsibility to counter argue. To date the evidence provided has been substandard.
You know damn well that if someone was asking for a nerf to Stamsorc you would require copious evidence and if they did not meet that requirement you would argue against the change just as voraciously. It's disingenuous to imply otherwise and quite distasteful of you to insult them for defending their class.
Besides, if change is to happen ZOS has to be convinced not Templar's. Arguing with Templar's is pointless cause they have no power to change anything. If you want their support for a change you damn well better provide solid evidence though or they are going to ignore you and ridicule you as is their prerogative.8 -
loyalhabsfan✭✭✭✭
There's nothing to change for some setups vs radiant.
Its alright to continue telling everyone to learn to play - post counts go up, threads are all over. Ultimately, high posts and many threads lead to these things getting on the chopping block. I'm sure its already there. Its just a matter of how its being changed.
Templar's are hands down the most obstinate group of players to actually have a conversation with. Its not even worth engaging them at all on the issue - just to ramp up post counts in these threads.
Normally your posts are really good but this is just terrible logic.
Of course Templar are going to defend their class and until hard evidence is provided that shows them it does in fact need a nerf they have every right and responsibility to counter argue. To date the evidence provided has been substandard.
You know damn well that if someone was asking for a nerf to Stamsorc you would require copious evidence and if they did not meet that requirement you would argue against the change just as voraciously. It's disingenuous to imply otherwise and quite distasteful of you to insult them for defending their class.
Besides, if change is to happen ZOS has to be convinced not Templar's. Arguing with Templar's is pointless cause they have no power to change anything. If you want their support for a change you damn well better provide solid evidence though or they are going to ignore you and ridicule you as is their prerogative.
I have the evidence. Y'all just wait. Simply haven't had the time.0 -
Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭loyalhabsfan wrote: »
There's nothing to change for some setups vs radiant.
Its alright to continue telling everyone to learn to play - post counts go up, threads are all over. Ultimately, high posts and many threads lead to these things getting on the chopping block. I'm sure its already there. Its just a matter of how its being changed.
Templar's are hands down the most obstinate group of players to actually have a conversation with. Its not even worth engaging them at all on the issue - just to ramp up post counts in these threads.
Normally your posts are really good but this is just terrible logic.
Of course Templar are going to defend their class and until hard evidence is provided that shows them it does in fact need a nerf they have every right and responsibility to counter argue. To date the evidence provided has been substandard.
You know damn well that if someone was asking for a nerf to Stamsorc you would require copious evidence and if they did not meet that requirement you would argue against the change just as voraciously. It's disingenuous to imply otherwise and quite distasteful of you to insult them for defending their class.
Besides, if change is to happen ZOS has to be convinced not Templar's. Arguing with Templar's is pointless cause they have no power to change anything. If you want their support for a change you damn well better provide solid evidence though or they are going to ignore you and ridicule you as is their prerogative.
I have the evidence. Y'all just wait. Simply haven't had the time.
Then I'll be right here on the edge of my seat.4 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »loyalhabsfan wrote: »
There's nothing to change for some setups vs radiant.
Its alright to continue telling everyone to learn to play - post counts go up, threads are all over. Ultimately, high posts and many threads lead to these things getting on the chopping block. I'm sure its already there. Its just a matter of how its being changed.
Templar's are hands down the most obstinate group of players to actually have a conversation with. Its not even worth engaging them at all on the issue - just to ramp up post counts in these threads.
Normally your posts are really good but this is just terrible logic.
Of course Templar are going to defend their class and until hard evidence is provided that shows them it does in fact need a nerf they have every right and responsibility to counter argue. To date the evidence provided has been substandard.
You know damn well that if someone was asking for a nerf to Stamsorc you would require copious evidence and if they did not meet that requirement you would argue against the change just as voraciously. It's disingenuous to imply otherwise and quite distasteful of you to insult them for defending their class.
Besides, if change is to happen ZOS has to be convinced not Templar's. Arguing with Templar's is pointless cause they have no power to change anything. If you want their support for a change you damn well better provide solid evidence though or they are going to ignore you and ridicule you as is their prerogative.
I have the evidence. Y'all just wait. Simply haven't had the time.
Then I'll be right here on the edge of my seat.
Wait evidence for what?Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
- Guild-lead for MV
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Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »loyalhabsfan wrote: »
There's nothing to change for some setups vs radiant.
Its alright to continue telling everyone to learn to play - post counts go up, threads are all over. Ultimately, high posts and many threads lead to these things getting on the chopping block. I'm sure its already there. Its just a matter of how its being changed.
Templar's are hands down the most obstinate group of players to actually have a conversation with. Its not even worth engaging them at all on the issue - just to ramp up post counts in these threads.
Normally your posts are really good but this is just terrible logic.
Of course Templar are going to defend their class and until hard evidence is provided that shows them it does in fact need a nerf they have every right and responsibility to counter argue. To date the evidence provided has been substandard.
You know damn well that if someone was asking for a nerf to Stamsorc you would require copious evidence and if they did not meet that requirement you would argue against the change just as voraciously. It's disingenuous to imply otherwise and quite distasteful of you to insult them for defending their class.
Besides, if change is to happen ZOS has to be convinced not Templar's. Arguing with Templar's is pointless cause they have no power to change anything. If you want their support for a change you damn well better provide solid evidence though or they are going to ignore you and ridicule you as is their prerogative.
I have the evidence. Y'all just wait. Simply haven't had the time.
Then I'll be right here on the edge of my seat.
Wait evidence for what?
That RD is painful below 50% health I suspect...and that it can't be dodged. EXPOSED!1 -
AfkNinja✭✭✭✭✭
✭loyalhabsfan wrote: »
I have the evidence. Y'all just wait. Simply haven't had the time.
Good. Throw it up for ZOS. If they agree the skill will change and we can stop seeing so many threads on this stupid skill.
Blinding Flashes was so much better. /rant0 -
Unsent.Soul✭✭✭✭✭
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There's nothing to change for some setups vs radiant.
Its alright to continue telling everyone to learn to play - post counts go up, threads are all over. Ultimately, high posts and many threads lead to these things getting on the chopping block. I'm sure its already there. Its just a matter of how its being changed.
Templar's are hands down the most obstinate group of players to actually have a conversation with. Its not even worth engaging them at all on the issue - just to ramp up post counts in these threads.
Normally your posts are really good but this is just terrible logic.
Of course Templar are going to defend their class and until hard evidence is provided that shows them it does in fact need a nerf they have every right and responsibility to counter argue. To date the evidence provided has been substandard.
You know damn well that if someone was asking for a nerf to Stamsorc you would require copious evidence and if they did not meet that requirement you would argue against the change just as voraciously. It's disingenuous to imply otherwise and quite distasteful of you to insult them for defending their class.
Besides, if change is to happen ZOS has to be convinced not Templar's. Arguing with Templar's is pointless cause they have no power to change anything. If you want their support for a change you damn well better provide solid evidence though or they are going to ignore you and ridicule you as is their prerogative.
I can't agree enough. Well said.1 -
loyalhabsfan✭✭✭✭I really just want to throw this out there.
Magplars recommending "bro just l2p/los/bash" simply don't take into consideration how much more fast-pace stamina builds are. There's a very small margin for error since the heals aren't as strong and generally you're a little less tanky than most heavy armor magicka setups. NO I'm not saying "stam playerz have moar skillz". I'm saying their skillset is totally opposite to that of a magicka player. I firmly believe your play style has to align with the strengths of your build. If your play style mirrors that of a magicka build and you're playing a stam build, you might be gimping yourself... and vice versa. Of course there are exceptions, but I think this is generally pretty accurate. This is also not specific to duels - I'm talking about open world PvP.
Magicka Strenghts:
- Defensive minded, confident in sustain/tankiness
- Patient/Collected
- Aware of opponent's burst strength
- "Wear you down then beat you up" mentality
Stamina Strengths:
- Offensive minded, confident in burst
- Mobility/Responsiveness
- Aware of opponent's physical resist
- "Whatever you do, I'll burst through it" mentality
My point is, if you know how to run your magicka build, and that's what you're good at... great. Just, don't throw yourself in the shoes of a stamina character with some l2p bs and say something like "dude just dodge roll and sprint away from RD... or bash it... or hold block..." None of these are actually viable.
Same goes both ways. There's no way in hell I'd tell a magicka build how to conduct him/herself. End of story. Some progress has been made towards balance, but there's still room for improvement. If we want a balanced game, stop this L2P bs and start respecting both magicka and stamina builds. Everybody crying about everything = no changes.
Is stamina strong right now? Absolutely. Is it stronger than stamina? It's possible. But this is a thread based on RADIANT DESTRUCTION and nothing else. Every single person I know, whether they're magicka/stamina agrees that this skill needs an adjustment. Like @FENGRUSH said, we need actual suggestions from the people that play this class. Or else wrobel will just make a 5-piece anti radiant destruction set and you'll execute yourself or some *** hahaha. K bye.
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FENGRUSH✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭loyalhabsfan wrote: »I really just want to throw this out there.
Magplars recommending "bro just l2p/los/bash" simply don't take into consideration how much more fast-pace stamina builds are. There's a very small margin for error since the heals aren't as strong and generally you're a little less tanky than most heavy armor magicka setups. NO I'm not saying "stam playerz have moar skillz". I'm saying their skillset is totally opposite to that of a magicka player. I firmly believe your play style has to align with the strengths of your build. If your play style mirrors that of a magicka build and you're playing a stam build, you might be gimping yourself... and vice versa. Of course there are exceptions, but I think this is generally pretty accurate. This is also not specific to duels - I'm talking about open world PvP.
Magicka Strenghts:
- Defensive minded, confident in sustain/tankiness
- Patient/Collected
- Aware of opponent's burst strength
- "Wear you down then beat you up" mentality
Stamina Strengths:
- Offensive minded, confident in burst
- Mobility/Responsiveness
- Aware of opponent's physical resist
- "Whatever you do, I'll burst through it" mentality
My point is, if you know how to run your magicka build, and that's what you're good at... great. Just, don't throw yourself in the shoes of a stamina character with some l2p bs and say something like "dude just dodge roll and sprint away from RD... or bash it... or hold block..." None of these are actually viable.
Same goes both ways. There's no way in hell I'd tell a magicka build how to conduct him/herself. End of story. Some progress has been made towards balance, but there's still room for improvement. If we want a balanced game, stop this L2P bs and start respecting both magicka and stamina builds. Everybody crying about everything = no changes.
Is stamina strong right now? Absolutely. Is it stronger than stamina? It's possible. But this is a thread based on RADIANT DESTRUCTION and nothing else. Every single person I know, whether they're magicka/stamina agrees that this skill needs an adjustment. Like @FENGRUSH said, we need actual suggestions from the people that play this class. Or else wrobel will just make a 5-piece anti radiant destruction set and you'll execute yourself or some *** hahaha. K bye.
Well said, I agree. Stam has definitive strengths in aspects of this game over magicka. Some magicka portions have strengths over stamina too. In the grand scheme of things, a lot of small group players are playing stam, because magicka wont cut away from overwhelming numbers.
The issue is focused on the skill and its overarching impact on Cyrodiil pvp though. Unique skills are great - but this one is too much right now. Ive made suggestions where to start @AfkNinja - but a large portion of this thread isnt interested in entertaining suggestions. A lot of the posts are completely insane to try to chat with. But you are right in saying its ZOS that needs to be convinced. But convincing them isnt even as relevant as acting on the data. All balance teams act on the data, regardless if they feel balance is completely attained at the time. So this will eventually change is my standing.2 -
maxjapank✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Of course Templar are going to defend their class and until hard evidence is provided that shows them it does in fact need a nerf they have every right and responsibility to counter argue. To date the evidence provided has been substandard.
Exactly. Other than a slight range nerf to that of gap closers such as Crit Charge, everything else has been rubbish. And I also find it so hypocritical right now considering how hard Stam is hitting. Those same people who have been calling for a nerf to RD are just living it up right now.3 -
Perwulf✭✭✭✭✭I got a solution, nerf radiant destruction damage at long range maximum of 60% reduction while it being deadly at close range but with the risk of getting bashed and lets add a bonus of 25% damage so kids won't cry shall we?"Monsters doesn't exist, we create them"0 -
Stoopid_Nwah✭✭✭✭
This slight range nerf is all I have ever personally been for. But if it's true that you can "air bash" the beam instead of the templar casting, then I definitely feel like a stoopid n'wah and will happily switch over to the "no-nerfs" side after some video proof of this lol.Of course Templar are going to defend their class and until hard evidence is provided that shows them it does in fact need a nerf they have every right and responsibility to counter argue. To date the evidence provided has been substandard.
Exactly. Other than a slight range nerf to that of gap closers such as Crit Charge, everything else has been rubbish. And I also find it so hypocritical right now considering how hard Stam is hitting. Those same people who have been calling for a nerf to RD are just living it up right now.0 -
a1i3nz✭✭✭✭NERF EVERYTHING!
Seriously this game is so cheesy right now I just play my magblade and stay in stealth all the time waiting to bomb the huge zergs. So NERF it all! This guy won't mind. I'm almost tempted to try out Azuras Star to see if the quality of PVP is better.1 -
Hashtag_✭✭✭✭✭1) Reduce range from 28m to 14-15m
2) Reduce execute range from 50% down to 25%
3) Remove the Instant full damage tick and make the ability perform like a channel.0 -
Drdeath20✭✭✭✭✭
✭Seems like the vast majority don't have a problem with the skill in small scale battles.
The biggest complaint is it makes 1vx difficult. A templar will beam you from far away, while you are at full health and 2 other players will jump you bringing your health down to a point where you are executed by radiants execute tic. That's just ganking with a small group and the magplar needed help to beat you. Even with the supposed jesus beam.
It's not like magplars are 1vx 'ing cyrodil right now. It's more like the zerg with the most magplars usually wins.
Does anybody even remember those bomb builds magblade or sorcs? That could single handedly take out 5+ people in less than 3 seconds.
The skill is fine. It's the only counter to stamina builds.
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FloppyTouch✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭I love the ppl saying cut the range in half that's the same as asking it to be dodge rollable bc ur not going to get up close and bash them ur just going to dodge roll away to break the beam this is not a fix. Stam is to powerful and annoying to fight let's not buff dodge roll anymore.
I play magic dk and I have no issue at all with RD if I block it does nothing2 -
MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »Sandman929 wrote: »loyalhabsfan wrote: »
There's nothing to change for some setups vs radiant.
Its alright to continue telling everyone to learn to play - post counts go up, threads are all over. Ultimately, high posts and many threads lead to these things getting on the chopping block. I'm sure its already there. Its just a matter of how its being changed.
Templar's are hands down the most obstinate group of players to actually have a conversation with. Its not even worth engaging them at all on the issue - just to ramp up post counts in these threads.
Normally your posts are really good but this is just terrible logic.
Of course Templar are going to defend their class and until hard evidence is provided that shows them it does in fact need a nerf they have every right and responsibility to counter argue. To date the evidence provided has been substandard.
You know damn well that if someone was asking for a nerf to Stamsorc you would require copious evidence and if they did not meet that requirement you would argue against the change just as voraciously. It's disingenuous to imply otherwise and quite distasteful of you to insult them for defending their class.
Besides, if change is to happen ZOS has to be convinced not Templar's. Arguing with Templar's is pointless cause they have no power to change anything. If you want their support for a change you damn well better provide solid evidence though or they are going to ignore you and ridicule you as is their prerogative.
I have the evidence. Y'all just wait. Simply haven't had the time.
Then I'll be right here on the edge of my seat.
Wait evidence for what?
That RD is painful below 50% health I suspect...and that it can't be dodged. EXPOSED!
Lol wut? It's supposed to be undogable, nothing about it is exposed. The only time it can hit hard below 50% hp is when you are a very squishy build, and that's your own fault, not the one of the spell.1 -
MalakithAlamahdi✭✭✭✭✭loyalhabsfan wrote: »@MalakithAlamahdi That's actually just not true.
What part of it isn't true? I can litterally pop vigor on my character and stand still above 50%, it really doesn't hit that hard untill 30% hp.3 -
WillhelmBlack✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭So just 1v1'd a magplar on my Stamplar. I made a slight mistake and went down to 40%, before I could even weapon swap to purify it off 1 (one) tick of Radiant Destruction hit me for 11.4K. Now is that balanced?
Come on forumplars, come tell a magplar from 2nd beta til last update that RD is fine.PC EU1 -
maxjapank✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭WillhelmBlack wrote: »So just 1v1'd a magplar on my Stamplar. I made a slight mistake and went down to 40%, before I could even weapon swap to purify it off 1 (one) tick of Radiant Destruction hit me for 11.4K. Now is that balanced?
Come on forumplars, come tell a magplar from 2nd beta til last update that RD is fine.
I'm not buying it. No way 1 tick is going to hit that much in pvp, unless you were under 10% health. And in that case you woulda died to anything. You're not providing the whole scenereo.4 -
Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »Sandman929 wrote: »Sandman929 wrote: »loyalhabsfan wrote: »
There's nothing to change for some setups vs radiant.
Its alright to continue telling everyone to learn to play - post counts go up, threads are all over. Ultimately, high posts and many threads lead to these things getting on the chopping block. I'm sure its already there. Its just a matter of how its being changed.
Templar's are hands down the most obstinate group of players to actually have a conversation with. Its not even worth engaging them at all on the issue - just to ramp up post counts in these threads.
Normally your posts are really good but this is just terrible logic.
Of course Templar are going to defend their class and until hard evidence is provided that shows them it does in fact need a nerf they have every right and responsibility to counter argue. To date the evidence provided has been substandard.
You know damn well that if someone was asking for a nerf to Stamsorc you would require copious evidence and if they did not meet that requirement you would argue against the change just as voraciously. It's disingenuous to imply otherwise and quite distasteful of you to insult them for defending their class.
Besides, if change is to happen ZOS has to be convinced not Templar's. Arguing with Templar's is pointless cause they have no power to change anything. If you want their support for a change you damn well better provide solid evidence though or they are going to ignore you and ridicule you as is their prerogative.
I have the evidence. Y'all just wait. Simply haven't had the time.
Then I'll be right here on the edge of my seat.
Wait evidence for what?
That RD is painful below 50% health I suspect...and that it can't be dodged. EXPOSED!
Lol wut? It's supposed to be undogable, nothing about it is exposed. The only time it can hit hard below 50% hp is when you are a very squishy build, and that's your own fault, not the one of the spell.
Not great with sarcasm detection, huh?1 -
Sandman929✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Stam defenders are hilarious. There's always so much skill that magicka builds just can't grasp about what they do. They seem to forget that a lot of players have both magicka and stamina characters, and I can say there's nothing skillful about passively dodging 40% of attacks aimed at you because you cast Shuffle.
If any other attack actually connected now and then, RD would be used less often.3 -
Paneross✭✭✭✭✭@ZOS_DaryaK @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_TristanK @ZOS_GaryA
Please close this thread. It's no longer constructive.2 -
Minno✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Sandman929 wrote: »Stam defenders are hilarious. There's always so much skill that magicka builds just can't grasp about what they do. They seem to forget that a lot of players have both magicka and stamina characters, and I can say there's nothing skillful about passively dodging 40% of attacks aimed at you because you cast Shuffle.
If any other attack actually connected now and then, RD would be used less often.
I'd say, if RD gets a change that makes it more like an execute with ours bonus dmg to the end, i would like to see another ranged option in the Templars arsenal be undodgable. Maybe dark flare since it's a channel
Minno - DC - Forum-plar Extraordinaire
- Guild-lead for MV
- Filthy Casual0 -
FearlessOne_2014✭✭✭✭✭
✭a1i3n0ct0pu5 wrote: »NERF EVERYTHING!
Seriously this game is so cheesy right now I just play my magblade and stay in stealth all the time waiting to bomb the huge zergs. So NERF it all! This guy won't mind. I'm almost tempted to try out Azuras Star to see if the quality of PVP is better.
Azuras Star has much better quality of PvP barred the obvious GOD MODE INSTANT killing Cheat Engine cheaters, which are few or at least not as brazen as some with CE.Edited by FearlessOne_2014 on 1 September 2016 14:440
