why hasn't radiant destruction been nerfed yet?...

Hempyre

@Paraflex

The execute portion of rd is scaling. It does not do 330% anything at 50%. Your are being purposely misleading with your statements.

Rd is a channeled skill that hits at less than average damage throughout its channel time. It also snares the caster during the channel duration. (Something you left out of your con list) keep in mind it is not solely an "execute". It is a channeled DD with an execute component, just like tornando and just like poison arrow. (The combination skill/execute that you said bow doesn't have. It does.)

What rd doesn't have is the ability to be woven with a heavy attack from stealth at 43m allowing both to hit simultaneously for outrageous damage. Nor is it a set and forget execute dot like poison arrow. Nor does it benefit from a passive that increases the damage output based on its range.

Rd is very easily countered, and fankly rarely kills any decent pvp build solo, even within 20%. People heal through it all the time.

Templar builds, like all magika builds, have to choose between the LA passive synergies for damage and regen or survivability. This is not the case with stam builds at the moment. As stam is the primary component for your damage and your dodge and your sprint. Worse case scenario you lose 12% damage by wearing heavy on an already high damage design. Magika doesn't have that. It's one or the other, not both.

Hell, I've killed people on my stam sorc by weaving only light attack and executioner. And laughed the whole time while hitting for 4/5k all day long (which is more than rd above its execution threshold.) until the execute component kicked in and finished the job. All while wearing heavy, all with excellent mobility, all with decent damage mitigation.

I wear heavy on my temp, and sacrifice damage because I believe as a rule that a big gun doesn't matter if you're not alive to fire it. If i build for damage, yes rd can do good damage, but at a price, survivability. This is not balanced between magika and stam atm.

The range is essential for rd. The lack of mobility, the snare, and the channel would be death for the skill and the templar that used it if it were reduced. Spammable crit charge pretty much ensures there's no running, especially on a mobility challenged toon like a templar. RD is not any more op than half a dozen other stam skills like shuffle, like dodge roll, like spammable fear, like bombard. Etc... And frankly a lot less than most.

Leave it the *** alone.

Lutallo

I main a templar and I think RD should be nerfed.
I use Radiant Glory (other morph, heals you) in maelstrom and I went into PvP with it because I cba spending money to respec and I found that the Glory morph without the 40% extra damage/magicka was quite balanced. I think a suitable nerf would be to reduce the 40% extra damage to about 15-20%, with maybe a slight cost increase so you can't just spam it. Making it dodgeable is a stupid nerf, it's a channeled ability and no channels can usually be dodged, plus I remember when I used to use RD on a nightblade, he'd dodge roll and i'd sit there for 4 seconds channeling at nothing, waiting like a sitting duck to get CC'd and destroyed. Templars are forced to play defensively this update, because one Incap Strike outside your Major Mending by a half decent NB and you're dead, so taking away our only execute and most powerful ability will render them as useless as IC/Orsinium updates.

Beepbeep

If RD gets nerfed to death there will be few magicka players in PVP at all. It's a joke atm.

I do agree that RD needs some adjustments, primarily from those who just constantly spam it. If they fix RD, they really need to fix all the other major imbalance issues as well.

FearlessOne_2014

LegendaryChef wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

LegendaryChef wrote: »

I honestly would be in full support of removing the skill from the game completely, I'm still shocked they even brought it in but it's zos at the end of the day so I'm not sure why it surprised me.

Fought a Templar the other day that stood and perma blocked for about 5 minutes wearing reactive armour, he eventually wasn't breaking cc but reactive being reactive he was surviving, I then get ganked down to about 15% hp and take a Jesus beam tick for 10k from the same Templar that just stood and perma blocked spamming Bol for the past 5 minutes.

Dont nerf it, just remove it.

Lol another troll on the forum but this one isn't even trying to hide to fact he's trolling. Just remove it you say? Can we remove Poison Injection, Incapacitating Strike, Ambush, Relentless Focus, Concealed Weapon, Mass Hysteria, Critical Charge and all of it's morphs, Momentum and all of it's morphs, Uppercut and all of it's morphs, Evasion and all of it's morphs, and Vigor and all of it's morphs while we are at it too. Hey while we are at it why don't we remove all of the magicka based damaging abilities of ESO just to suit you? Those abilities I just mention does way more damage then RD so I think those abilities should go as well AT THE SAME TIME ZOS removes Radiant Destruction.

All at the same time people are running around in Cyrodiil one shotting players with Stamina Builds gear procs, on most if not all of the classes. But that's ok?

Again Just get over yourself and hurry up and get balanced.

Obvious trolling is obvious troll. However at least have some tact and class while forum trolling.

You sound pretty triggered to me so my work is done

Triggered no.

Tried of stamina forums trolls who already have everything giving to them crying nerf magicka players, yes.

There is a difference, however a inferior mind like your's just can't conceive the difference. That's ok tho with enoth dedication and training one day you will.

RinaldoGandolphi

Templar's need to be left alone. They are fine as they are. Radiant Oppression is no more OP then any other execute...in fact Poison Injection does more damage to high health targets over its duration. Give it a rest...Radiant Destruction has been nerfed in the past and its a shadow of what it was when they first introduced the skill...any Templar would gladly take back Blinding Flashes that Radiant Destruction replaced.

Radiant is only good for zerging people down, big deal...if its not Radiant it will be something else and the cycle will continue...

in PVE healers take part in the execute phases of boss fights and Radiant allows them to contribute...its a DD skill just like Poison Injection with an execute mechanics that they both have.

Poison Injection is actually better because:

1. It does more damage over its duration
2. its duration is longer
3. its ticks harder from 50% health on as an execute component
4. it has a chance to proc the poisoned status effect is a secondary dot that ticks harder then burning
5. the user is not snared and stuck in a channel

Nerf Radiant, Folks will just spam poison injection because thats what Cyrodiil needs more archers....behind every rock and every blade of grass is a pew pew archer

Lasty, #tanklivesmatter too and folks need to leave tanks alone...they have every right to be as tanky in opposite of your bursty....a tank that can't soak up damage like a sponge from multiple sources is useless in both PVE and PVP....tanks need to be left alone...they have a viable role on the battlefield as a disruptor and they have every right to exist...its not cancer because someone has a build that can tank or doesn't die in 2 secs to over the top damage specs. This game needs to be about more then DPS and for the 1st time in a long time it is...having tanks as viable as damage dealers is good for diversity.

ZOS_DaryaK

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White wabbit

After playing a Magplar for awhile now I would say that Rd is no worse than the 3 or more idiots at the back of the Zerg sniping but do you see peeps moaning about that as much as this subject , interrupt is the answer
I just see this as a L2P issue
And yes I get loads of people that close the distance on me and end up killing me so I guess they have no issue with RD

Dojohoda

RD is fine, leave it alone.

Dojohoda

Double post

Paraflex

@Hempyre


Burn an enemy with a ray of holy fire, dealing [x] Magic Damage over 2.8 seconds.
Targets below 50% Health take up to 330% additional damage.

This is a description taken from

http://elderscrollsonline.wiki.fextralife.com/Dawn's+Wrath+Skills

I don't know why you thought I was implying at 50% your hitting for 330% additional damage of course I know it scales.

ArpamiesFin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em46ajNfuTU

psychotic13

Damage from it is fine, being undodgable is also ok the only probably is the massive range it has. I think lower it to like 20m so to counter it's atleast a bit easier with the Templar being closer.

MalakithAlamahdi

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em46ajNfuTU

Lol, radiant is the only one where you buffed spellpower. Also, your raw stats are different with RD and your buffs are different. You also didn't show the stats on any of the characters attacking you, or your own. Nice try though.

Stoopid_Nwah

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em46ajNfuTU

Lol, radiant is the only one where you buffed spellpower. Also, your raw stats are different with RD and your buffs are different. You also didn't show the stats on any of the characters attacking you, or your own. Nice try though.

I'm *pretty sure* that video is super old and has already been discounted for the reasons you mentioned, yet it still seems to weasel it's way into new threads.

As a side note though, it's possible the nb had rally up and sorc had surge or that they both used potions (I'm not used to the PC interface with add-ons so I'm not sure if that would show up? If I'm wrong then ignore what I said lol).

Eirella

Dojohoda wrote: »

RD is fine, leave it alone.

^^

AfkNinja

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em46ajNfuTU

Lol, radiant is the only one where you buffed spellpower. Also, your raw stats are different with RD and your buffs are different. You also didn't show the stats on any of the characters attacking you, or your own. Nice try though.

I'm *pretty sure* that video is super old and has already been discounted for the reasons you mentioned, yet it still seems to weasel it's way into new threads.

As a side note though, it's possible the nb had rally up and sorc had surge or that they both used potions (I'm not used to the PC interface with add-ons so I'm not sure if that would show up? If I'm wrong then ignore what I said lol).

They also did not light attack weave which intentionally skewed the results in favor of RD. Overall a rather poor attempt to demonstrate evidence of an overperforming skill.

Strider_Roshin

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em46ajNfuTU

Lol, radiant is the only one where you buffed spellpower. Also, your raw stats are different with RD and your buffs are different. You also didn't show the stats on any of the characters attacking you, or your own. Nice try though.

RD has higher scaling, longest range, first tic is a guarantee crit, un-dodgeable, and can double dip from thaumaturge and elemental expert. Yeah I'd say it's a little OP.

Strider_Roshin

AfkNinja wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em46ajNfuTU

Lol, radiant is the only one where you buffed spellpower. Also, your raw stats are different with RD and your buffs are different. You also didn't show the stats on any of the characters attacking you, or your own. Nice try though.

I'm *pretty sure* that video is super old and has already been discounted for the reasons you mentioned, yet it still seems to weasel it's way into new threads.

As a side note though, it's possible the nb had rally up and sorc had surge or that they both used potions (I'm not used to the PC interface with add-ons so I'm not sure if that would show up? If I'm wrong then ignore what I said lol).

They also did not light attack weave which intentionally skewed the results in favor of RD. Overall a rather poor attempt to demonstrate evidence of an overperforming skill.

Actually light attack weaving would result in lower DPS with the exception of executioner; which is one of the weakest executes anyways. An empowered RD on the other hand is an accurate depiction on how this ability is used since it's usually casted after a dark flare.

maxjapank

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em46ajNfuTU

Lol, radiant is the only one where you buffed spellpower. Also, your raw stats are different with RD and your buffs are different. You also didn't show the stats on any of the characters attacking you, or your own. Nice try though.

RD has higher scaling, longest range, first tic is a guarantee crit, un-dodgeable, and can double dip from thaumaturge and elemental expert. Yeah I'd say it's a little OP.

Honestly, with Stam's insane burst and survivability right now, any changes to RD would be a move in the wrong direction. For a while, I was supportive of a slight reduction in range to that of gap closers. But with how things have shifted, I think even that would be a mistake for now.

Hempyre

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

RD has higher scaling, longest range, first tic is a guarantee crit, un-dodgeable, and can double dip from thaumaturge and elemental expert. Yeah I'd say it's a little OP.

Ok, lessee here...

Wrong, same scaling as some other skill/executes.

Wrong, same range as other ranged skills/ executes.

Wrong, lol, first tick is not a guaranteed crit. You must be thinking NB...

Wrong-ish, it does benefit from a cp distribution between ele, and thaum. However this is not a double dip, this is how it works for everybody, stam and magika alike. EG: blessed and quick recovery, or mighty and thaum for stam based dots. And I have yet to see a poison that ups my magic damage 8% like bow, poison gear, or poison spammers get.

Dark Flare is almost useless in pvp, so wrong, it is rare as hens teeth to get an empowered rd.

Oh, and executioner one of the weakest executes?

Wrong, its weavable and fast and hits like a truck. Ive done 10k with it.

Where do you conjure your fantasies?

Turbocharged

Leave magicka templars as they are, they're good in both pve and pvp at the moment. Just buff other magicka classes please devs.

Lokey0024

Because little timmy club foot needs a crutch to lean on.

Stoopid_Nwah

Hempyre wrote: »

Wrong, same range as other ranged skills/ executes.

What are you even talking about? I *think* mages fury is the same range but impale certainly is not...nor is executioner...nice try though.

MalakithAlamahdi

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

Wrong, same range as other ranged skills/ executes.

What are you even talking about? I *think* mages fury is the same range but impale certainly is not...nor is executioner...nice try though.

Poision arrow?

MalakithAlamahdi

Strider_Roshin wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

ArpamiesFin wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=em46ajNfuTU

Lol, radiant is the only one where you buffed spellpower. Also, your raw stats are different with RD and your buffs are different. You also didn't show the stats on any of the characters attacking you, or your own. Nice try though.

RD has higher scaling, longest range, first tic is a guarantee crit, un-dodgeable, and can double dip from thaumaturge and elemental expert. Yeah I'd say it's a little OP.

Thats not the point, this "test" is based as all hell.

Stoopid_Nwah

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

Wrong, same range as other ranged skills/ executes.

What are you even talking about? I *think* mages fury is the same range but impale certainly is not...nor is executioner...nice try though.

Poision arrow?

Ah yes, forgot that one (I never think of it as an execute, though indeed it acts as one). Even so, it's dodgeable, unlike radiant. Just was saying be careful when you make generalizations like you did; it can be misleading to newer players or those who don't know as much about other weapons and classes.

MalakithAlamahdi

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

Wrong, same range as other ranged skills/ executes.

What are you even talking about? I *think* mages fury is the same range but impale certainly is not...nor is executioner...nice try though.

Poision arrow?

Ah yes, forgot that one (I never think of it as an execute, though indeed it acts as one). Even so, it's dodgeable, unlike radiant. Just was saying be careful when you make generalizations like you did; it can be misleading to newer players or those who don't know as much about other weapons and classes.

I think you messed up my post with Hempyre, I just added the execute you forgot which also has range. ^^

Drdeath20

Leave templars alone until templars are Wrecking groups of people like sorcs and nightblades use to.

runningtings

I only ever see it used in PVP when I am being hunted down by a group, no way for me to counter when I am getting hit by 5 people at once.
It does hit for more than the other attacks on the recap, guess I need to respec a bit to mitigate against it.

Darnathian

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

MalakithAlamahdi wrote: »

Stoopid_Nwah wrote: »

Hempyre wrote: »

Wrong, same range as other ranged skills/ executes.

What are you even talking about? I *think* mages fury is the same range but impale certainly is not...nor is executioner...nice try though.

Poision arrow?

Ah yes, forgot that one (I never think of it as an execute, though indeed it acts as one). Even so, it's dodgeable, unlike radiant. Just was saying be careful when you make generalizations like you did; it can be misleading to newer players or those who don't know as much about other weapons and classes.

Same to you. One is a channel and the other is not. Thats why it is not dodgeable.

Also someone using poison arrow is a stam build. So they aee a dodge roll away feom being right up in the templars grill where they will have the advantage. Or they can run.

RD is balanced for a class with zero mobility.